Wortham Krimmer is fantastically insane as Cartagia. He did an awesome job.

@invisiblekincajou

5 жыл бұрын

yup, menacing madness

@kurenwirsun2478

4 жыл бұрын

You know he left acting and became a lawyer

@HappyCatholicDane

4 жыл бұрын

He would make a great Caligula.

@AlexJones-ue1ll

3 жыл бұрын

@@kurenwirsun2478 I didnt know that! Good piece of information :)

@podemosurss8316

3 жыл бұрын

@@HappyCatholicDane Cartaglia is inspired by Caligula...

"It's almost IDENTICAL to the throne room back home!" Well done with the lampshading, JSM!

@mountainstartemple6041

5 жыл бұрын

lack of budget I suppose LOL

@Cronocke

5 жыл бұрын

My understanding was that the budget of B5 consisted of a shoebox filled with dust, mites, a ball of loose string, and a note that read, "if it's not bolted down, steal it and film it." Hence the reuse of existing sets and props.

@OldUKAds

5 жыл бұрын

@@Cronocke Basically yeah. And JMS was always about not insulting the audience. So here he just gives a quick wink to the audience as he does it.

@trinitymplayers

5 жыл бұрын

@@OldUKAds It helped to that the lighting is different, as they are now on Narn Prime.

@freewilliam93

4 жыл бұрын

I love that its his character who says it. Hes so crazy he would see something like that when others dont.

I find characters like Cartagia really unsettling, because you never know what might set them off. They can go from friendly to homicidal and back again with no stops in between.

@maxisaev568

6 жыл бұрын

Well, Cartagia noticed that this clown heard the part of getting away from Centauri Prime therefore the could slip the information. It's not a good thing he killed him for it, but at least it was logical conclusion.

@KneelB4Bacon

6 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Cartagia killed the jester for making fun of him. Otherwise, his "humor is such a subjective thing" line doesn't make any sense.

@tscream80

5 жыл бұрын

Which makes you wonder how Lord Refa and his associates planned to "control" Cartagia (i.e., the reason they installed him).

@RFerrer

5 жыл бұрын

They likely had no idea that Cartagia was such an utter lunatic. His insanity was probably a well kept secret amongst the royal family prior to that.

@daynechastant

5 жыл бұрын

I was reminded of Joe Pesci's character Tommy, the one who was borderline psychotic--the scene in the restaurant when he interrogates Henry "Why do you think I'm funny?" had me and a lot of others in the theater wondering if he was going to kill Henry at any moment.

"Excuse me, Majesty, I have to go check on some arrangements." Specifically, to get that poison needle from the head spy. (The one who later said, "It is *_as if_* his hearts just stopped beating.")

Mollari asking, "Will you excuse me? I have to check on some arrangements," would give any Centauri with any sense, reason enough to GTFO.

Someone told Krimmer on his first day on set "he's like Caligula, but from space".

Of all the terrifying characters in any media, Cartagia is easily in the top 5. All of his episodes were deeply unsettling.

@snapdragon9300

3 жыл бұрын

Bester was mine.

@robertnett9793

Жыл бұрын

@@snapdragon9300 Bester was a monster in his own right... but he was to a degree predictable. Cartagia was simply completely bonkers. Bester wouldn't kill you if it wasn't important to him. Cartagia would torture you to death on a whim - not even for entertainment, just because he felt like it in the moment. He probably would even go on and execute the torturer, because he later learned he would need you...

@Howyaduing

9 ай бұрын

Ramsey Snow and Geoffrey Baratheon come to mind.

Cartagia has Caligula-like quality to him.

@jesseling6672

4 жыл бұрын

Many name similarities too

@shadekerensky3691

3 жыл бұрын

YEah, plus a bit of a Nero-touch to boot.

@seraphthegatekeeper

3 жыл бұрын

@@shadekerensky3691 *drum snare*

@OreadNYC

3 жыл бұрын

I suspect that this was deliberate, since there is reason to believe that the creators of "Babylon 5" borrowed elements from ancient Rome for their concept of the Centauri empire.

@gasaholic47

3 жыл бұрын

@@OreadNYC Agreed.

To be fair to Cartagia, I probably would have had the jester shot too.

@breacat

2 жыл бұрын

A mime is a terrible thing to waste.

@jaimeosbourn3616

10 ай бұрын

@@breacat Actually he's the first one you want to waste.

I remember when I first watched this scene. Having gone through the arc of Cartagia's madness up until this point, I knew as soon as I layed eyes on the Court Jester that he was totally toast.

@bugwar5545

Жыл бұрын

With a skill such as yours, you would do well with the progressive administration.

He's Babylon 5's version of The Joker.

@DrownedInExile

4 жыл бұрын

"Did I ever tell you how I got these scars?"

Yeah, this scene really shows that Cartagia is too far gone to reason with.

@TheGoodLuc

7 жыл бұрын

Caligula.

@drankrur

7 жыл бұрын

Syphilis is said to not have arrived in Europe until 1494 from the Americas. The reason I have heard for Caligula's madness was that they used lead to sweeten their wine and he drank alot of it. Lead poisoning can make you act in interesting ways.

@toomanyaccounts

6 жыл бұрын

The origin of syphilis is disputed. There are those that think the ancient Greek Hippocrates described the third stage of the disease. Cases identified as leprosy may have actually been syphilis. Then there is a third hypothesis that the disease existed on both continents prior to Columbus and had been carried by humans that had crossed the Bering sea when it was covered by ice. The disease had mutated over time with the American strain being very nasty to Europeans and others who did not have thousands to tens of thousands of years of acclimatization to it.

@rachellevin9855

5 жыл бұрын

The actor who played Cartagia is a genius. He managed to convey both friendliness and utter insanity at the same time.

Wow, I think I worked for that guy once.

@AlexKurilovMusic

7 жыл бұрын

You could! The actor was also a practicing lawyer

@eledhwenmare2403

4 жыл бұрын

I worked for his elderly uncle.

I love the guards. They look like pretty boys in contrast to the narns but they have this cold menace to them.

@bfdidc6604

4 жыл бұрын

They did get that great scene where a couple of them machine gunned a pair of shadows. "I will have to get that painted over, I suppose."

When Cartagia chooses to cancel a comedian... He doesn't take to social media

@bugwar5545

Жыл бұрын

Funny. I thought that was a perfect analogy to progressives on any media.

I read a comment on TV Tropes that Cartagia, in a way, was even more frightening than even the Shadows and the Vorlons.

@nomisunrider6472

5 жыл бұрын

It's cause as terrifying as they are, the Shadows and Vorlons are ultimately a sci fi threat. Men and women like Cartagia are real.

@toomanyaccounts

4 жыл бұрын

@@nomisunrider6472 the Vorlons and the Shadows have an agenda and are rational about going about it. Cartagia was a lunatic.

@biocapsule7311

4 жыл бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts Even if you consider rulers for other shows like Joffrey, Cartagia is a lot more frightening. Joffrey is known to be almost always vicious whenever his emotions is not overwrite by anything else. But he is essentially a cowardly brat with too much borrowed power, no self-control and agency of his own. Which makes him predictable, and he is someone you hate, but not so much afraid of. Cartagia is powerful and knows how to use those power, he is controlled in his own lunacy and have agency of his own. You never know what he will truly do unless he reveal it and he is no coward, since he is quite willing to get physical when his mind shift to the right conditions.

@dwightstewart7181

4 жыл бұрын

@@nomisunrider6472 .. Oh, really? Where is this "real" character? Do you know of anyone around you (family, friend, etc) like Cartagia? Is any part of our government like that on Centauri? While Bernie Sanders' socialism/communism has occasionally led to repressive governments like that on Centauri, most want nothing to do with it.

@dwightstewart7181

4 жыл бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts .. Agenda? Rational? Guy, all three are fictitious, characters in a television show. The only agenda is that of the show's creators/writers. That is what you should be watching and questioning.

cartage is the kind of person you have to be very wary of friend or foe to him was always based on how he felt at a given minute.

1:10 The jester knew he'd crossed a fatal line there...

Ranks right up there with Patrick Bateman asking "Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?"

"Great Maker help us all, he is mad!"

That poor jester, he got in wayyy over his head.

@donaldpaluga

5 жыл бұрын

He was a Not Ready For Prime Time Player

@SMAXZO

Жыл бұрын

The Jester Clown'd around...and found out.

@jaimeosbourn3616

10 ай бұрын

And got it in the head

Reminds me of Bal des Ardents (Ball of the Burning Men) when the French King was suffering a bout of madness. Granted he didn't slaughter his jester, but his party plans ended up with 4 friends of his burned to death.

@jmackmcneill

Жыл бұрын

That had nothing to do with madness except to the extent it is a bad idea to dance around in flamable costumes with illumination provided by open flames.

@guytech7310

8 ай бұрын

Cartagia is Caligula (insane Roman emperor 37AD to 41AD)

Cartargia was brilliantly twisted.

@tenhirankei

5 жыл бұрын

And should have been "twisted brilliantly".

Funny thing, though. Lando was also a shadow influence the Volans wished to destroy meaning whatever flagship he was on would likely get destroyed

1:13 Mr Bean as a Centauri, people. Kidding of course, but that was my reaction upon first seeing this episode.

"Zooty! Zoot zoot!"

Insult comics are probably not a thing in Centauri culture.

Why do I get the feeling his character took some inspiration from Nero.

@xerxes7416

4 жыл бұрын

I constantly got a french Feeling from the whole centauri republic. But I guess the Inspiration was the Roman Imperium.

@martinrobo123

3 жыл бұрын

It was Caligula, not Nero. Caligula was the totally mad emperor.

@cm5913

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinrobo123 True, but they both had a massive god complex. And Nero had more of the psychopathic traits he demonstrates when executing the jester

@orlock20

3 жыл бұрын

There have many leaders like this including a Chinese one that kept killing his scouts when they gave him bad news.

@Carandini

3 жыл бұрын

@@cm5913 Nero was someone who still had one foot in reality. Caligula was an absolute madman. He once marched the army down to the beach to give battle to the god Neptune. When Neptune failed to show, Caligula declared himself victorious and had the legionarys collect seashells as the plunder of conquest.

Joffrey Baratheon approves.

Reminds me of John Hurt's Caligula...

@Robert_Douglass

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that was Roddy McDowall.

@andrewphillips9391

2 жыл бұрын

@@Robert_Douglass In I Claudius, was deffo John Hurt

@ericmcconnaughey2782

2 жыл бұрын

Love the 'I, Claudius' reference.

spoiled brat ruler + egomaniacal sense of importance + too much wine = not good!

@OldUKAds

5 жыл бұрын

You should see when eh hops on Twitter.

@dreadcthulhu5

3 жыл бұрын

Unless that whine is poisoned by one bad ass old lady trying to protect her niece.

Wortham Krimmer is a lawyer now. I guess, playing the absolute unpredictable psycho had some benefits.

Reminds me of Caligula and Elagabalus lol.

the background characters do an excellent job of being afraid so it really illustrates the fear

I wonder how Reefa planned to control this guy.

@nathanielhellerstein5871

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't think that far ahead.

@stvdagger8074

3 жыл бұрын

Probably hoped to direct Cartagia's paranoia to kill most of the royal house & prominent nobles. Then when Cartagia's insanity and wretched strategy was apparent, assassinate Cartagia. Due to the death or discrediting of most of the Royal House, the people would turn to the man who saved the Republic and Emperor Reefa ascends the throne. A risky strategy, but an usurper does not become Emperor by playing it safe. Ironically, this is the path that Londo had to follow once he killed Reefa.

@Carandini

3 жыл бұрын

Reefa and his buddies had no idea what they were getting into. There were those who thought they could control Caligula too. Don't forget, the German Conservatives thought they'd control Hitler too... right up until a bunch of them were murdered during the Night of the Long Knives.

@bugwar5545

Жыл бұрын

@@Carandini Much like Joseph took out his opposition.

Cartaga Always gave me the cills you dont know if he is going too be kind ore murderus he does both whit the same ease and talk about killing å whole world in the same tone you would ask someone too by you a bottel of wine.

He is what happens when someone has absolute power, somwhat like the usa police.

Had a step mother like this...

@cptkettch

3 жыл бұрын

As in hair style or temperament?

A mime is a terrible thing to waste... But is it the same for a jester?

The joker before the 2019 joker

Cartagia = Caligula = Kefka

That's what happens when you think you're safe on the Devil's team.

Oh my god in 2023 and here we are comedy is subjective and fatal to those being un subbed

I'm not condoning the murder of clowns but why on earth would be take a chance like that.

@stephenwood6663

5 жыл бұрын

Traditionally, poking fun at one's employer is part of the job of a court jester: if the ruler is a good ruler, it's all in good fun; if the ruler is a bad ruler, it provides a release valve for any discontent there may be, while simultaneously framing such discontent as a "foolish" notion. Occasionally, the ruler doesn't get the joke. Centauri love opera; this is basically the plot of Rigoletto.

@nashburnette

5 жыл бұрын

Clowns are disturbing and evil and should be wiped out.

@christopherwall2121

4 жыл бұрын

@@nashburnette but that wasn't a clown, that was a fool. Big difference.

@armanmir7190

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenwood6663 In this case he was the canary in the coal mine warning everyone else as to what a mad-man Cartagia really is.

That poor jester. :'( He deserved a better fate than Cartagia gave him.

I find it hard to believe that any society that becomes as advanced as the Centauri would survive under such a dangerous and primitive government. Did the Emperor really have the power of life and death 24/7 over every citizen?

@paristeta5483

6 жыл бұрын

Yes and No. The Centauri are living in the past, survived a genocidal war with another race on their homeplanet. They are few, and very proud of their tradition. Cartagia became Emperor because of the shadows involvement. The Emperor before him was very moderate, and even wanted to offical appolagize to the narn, for what they have done.

@daleandrade8140

5 жыл бұрын

The Centaurum and noble houses technically have the ability to check the emperors power, but Cartagia, the Shadows, and likely the Drakh (sp) would make the opposition vanish into the night. They touch one this in an episode where they mention that 14 members of the Centaurum voted against Cartagia and that they all vanished shortly thereafter. I'm sure someone would have gotten around to poisoning Cartagia earlier if the Shadows had not intervened on his behalf.

@fieldy409

5 жыл бұрын

Why not? As long as you have loyal soldiers to kill dissenters I don't see why tyranny is impossible at any level of advancement.

@alexbrown1930

4 жыл бұрын

@Droxy 56 Exactly...and we see what Cartagia's fate was...that is how that society balances itself out. from threats like him. Good Centauri Emperors live long, healthy lives...bad ones? have unfortunatate accidents..

@TedShatner10

3 жыл бұрын

@Droxy 56 The crazed emperor assumed the Shadows would be that giant loaded gun trained on his people and the galaxy 24/7.

He is more like Caligula and Nero put together.

He reminds me of Dandy from American Horror Story FreakShow

@iona2225

8 жыл бұрын

All the gods, immortals, elements and whatever else that lay between the heavens, earth and bellow; why would someone watch that shite? Its not even scary, its just focused on gross factor. If they Babadooked every season THEN they could call it a horror story. ... barring my opinion on the reference, what do you mean?

@Howyaduing

8 жыл бұрын

+iona2225 the tv show American Horror story an anthology wear each season is a separate story of its own in season 3 freak show where he's a spoiled rich kid in a grown mans body also a complete psychopath like his Majesty right here

@iona2225

8 жыл бұрын

+Howyaduing ah, I see. Meh, like the regent said, 'cant hide under the royal tree if its only a bush'. I think hes more like the roman emperors then anything, like Nero except far more relgiously focused or just a way to focus his insanity. Maybe thats just the Centauri in general. Except with the tenticle things haha

@Howyaduing

8 жыл бұрын

Now I'm thinking he's more like Joffrey from Game of Thrones

@MinscFromBaldursGate92

7 жыл бұрын

I think is like D'Ken or Vulcan of the Shi'ar.

2:16.......this geezer has to go, and soon

@suchiuomizu

2 жыл бұрын

Geezer?

Heavily based on Caligula perhaps.

Today's Lesson: Do not mock your supreme leader ;) lol

@georgelionon9050

8 ай бұрын

At least not if he is totally crazy too.

Costuming for these Centauri is ridiculous.

wow the cartagia was insane he killed the jester just for looking at him. also my first thought wene looking at this scene was this was back wene Centauri Prime was still intact and not a lifeless rock .the other worlds that did this faced no reproduction's whatsoever. they killed a planet with no consequences. at the very lest wene it was reveled that it was not the Centauri ho were doing the raids than other worlds should have helped them rebuild. that never quit made sense to me.

@georgelionon9050

8 ай бұрын

Well took me a while to realize, the jester was making fun of him..

@LBF522

6 ай бұрын

@@georgelionon9050Thank you. I had wondered what wrong he had committed.

The number of likes is 666. It suits Cartagia

To be fair, the Jester sucked.

1:10 the temperature in that room dropped instantly.

Spoiler;The Jester actually _was_ mute