I am in absolute awe at how well Babylon 5 has aged. I truly believe it to be a masterpiece of Televised Science-Fiction story telling.

@Mark73

4 жыл бұрын

As long as you can get through the first season. I want to show it to my girlfriend, but she's tried to watch it before and couldn't get through the first few episodes.

@shyone968

4 жыл бұрын

Show her the movie 'in the beginning'. That should get her hooked enough to watch the first season.

@Elthenar

4 жыл бұрын

The effects didn't age well but the story and acting remain top notch. We are only now seeing shows with a similarly well developed multi season arc and executed by good actors.

@cameraman655

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mark73 Agreed, most series, especially Sci-Fi go through some serious 'teething pain' in their first season and some it might take two to find an audience. The first two seasons of ST TNG are very tough to watch, even now, DS9 (B5's rival) had a difficult first season. So, yeah B5's first season was tough to get through but after that....WOW!

@Unther

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mark73 Skip the unimportant "stuff of the week"-episodes and focus on the ones that are really important for the long-term story-telling. That's how I did it and it worked. :)

(0:46) This is how you do holograms, ladies and gentlemen. None of this silliness where the holographic people know where to sit and are somehow perfectly in frame with the solid people in the room. Here, Londo points his finger "through" Refa and walks "through" Jakar. It actually makes what Londo is saying have more impact. Well done, Babylon 5. You were way ahead of your time. :)

@tilasole3252

Жыл бұрын

True. BUT I am sure it is a simple thing to have it look at a particular person in question. I mean it is just a little more tech than what they currently have or for that particular device.

@CybershamanX

Жыл бұрын

@@tilasole3252 @Tila Sole I was talking more about impact of the scene, really. But it's a recording. A figure wouldn't "know" where to look and point relative to the projector. So, it's a good thing it was oriented correctly or Londo would have pointed at a wall or, even funnier, a lowly henchman who would flinch. I think that would have been pretty funny, but of course it wouldn't have worked with the feeling this heavy scene was trying to convey. I think at the time of this comment I was likely still steaming about Star Trek Discovery and the hologram communications where the person would sit on a physical piece of furniture in the room. Just silly. But what do you expect. It's STD. 😉 😜

@tilasole3252

Жыл бұрын

@@CybershamanX never seen Discovery so I can not comment on that. Unless it was a live AI program, yes it would be silly to just sit for no reason.

@JamaicanCastle

Жыл бұрын

It's actually why you _should_ stand in one place when you're dictating a holographic message. I mean, imagine if G'kar had been standing over by a wall and Londo had gotten projected onto it, kind of ruins the moment, no?

@tilasole3252

Жыл бұрын

Anyone remember the hologram from The Master of Disguise? Now that is how you do a hologram!

William Forward, the actor who played Refa, apparently went to JMS after reading the script and said "What have I done wrong that you're writing me out like this?" JMS proceeded to say that Refa had to go for Londo's arc to progress and it was precisely because Forward had done such a great job as Refa that he was getting a swansong episode instead of being written out off screen (Like General Hague for instance!). And he *did* do a great job portraying the Centauri Noble we all love to hate!

@suchiuomizu

6 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Hague was a different circumstance. His actor was unavailable, and working on the competition (Star Trek) at that. If he had been around there would have likely been at least an onscreen death.

@stevenpilling5318

4 жыл бұрын

He worked himself out of a job!

@robertnett9793

4 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianfelzmann8957 Saw the clip and I am in awe that the new guy delivered that line so stone faced.

@Zeithri

4 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianfelzmann8957 Thank you for linking this. That cracked me up xD His stoic face with the sound of someone in the background cracking into laughter is just perfect!

@sebastianfelzmann8957

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zeithri it is really selling the whole scene :)

This show probably has a quarter of a budget that today star wars/star trek tv show has, but it still blows them out of water just by using the power of great writing and talents. It is definitely once in a lifetime moment that this show can ever happened.

@JasonCliftJones

6 ай бұрын

Significantly less... Rough budget per episode: Babylon 5: $650,000 - $800,000 Deep Space Nine: $1,600,000 - $2,000,000 Discovery: $8,000,000 - $8,500,000

@recoil53

5 ай бұрын

With CGI and costuming so relatively cheap now, I'd love to see Babylon 5 rebooted. Strange New Worlds Looks gorgeous, B5 deserves the same treatment.

@Necrobadger

3 ай бұрын

@@JasonCliftJones To be fair, DS9 beats both Discovery and B5

@gregvs.theworld451

Ай бұрын

@@recoil53 Good news. :D

@Justanotherconsumer

4 күн бұрын

@@Necrobadgereh, DS9 doesn’t beat it for me. It has some great moments and Sisko is my favorite Starfleet captain but it lacks the dramatic power of set pieces like the one in this video. A Nog vs. Vir grudge match would be hilarious though.

"the rock cried out, No hiding place!!" I love a comedic-dark transposition every now and then,

@kurenwirsun2478

4 жыл бұрын

Such a fitting song... I've watched this scene so many times because of how well it fits.

@TheCormTube

3 жыл бұрын

Foot tapping & clapping while Reefa gets kicked to death.

@darthvader5300

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheCormTube No Hiding Place Down Here Song kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6iNqrmTqbW5fbg.html I LOVE THAT SONG, even if I am a Russian Orthodox Christian of Orthodox Jewish ethnic ancestry.

@trynnallen

3 жыл бұрын

Somewhere there exists a dub with Nina Simone's "Sinnerman" in place of the piece. It was exquisite .

Peter Jurasik is clearly the star of the show here, but I wanna give a special shout out to William Forward, Refa's actor, for flinching so convincingly when Mollari yells "you have inconvenienced me!" and throws his hand out

@ThePathStrider

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know, but chances are Peter Jurasik was actually on set for some bits of Mollaris speech, and they just "ghosted him up, like Ben Kenobi."

@ladyofthemasque

3 жыл бұрын

I also loved the way G'kar does a shudder of revulsion when Londo passes through his spot, too.

@Bfdidc

3 жыл бұрын

@@ladyofthemasque Or how he cooly walks away while the rest of the narns are pounding Refa.

@steveaustin2686

3 жыл бұрын

jms quote from Lurker's Guide, I added the paranthesis Was William Forward the one who said, "Why me?" as mentioned in one of your Usenet messages? (because his character was dying in the next script) Yes, it was with the actor who plays Refa that I had that conversation. He was initially bummed out, figured I was doing what I was doing in "Rock" because I wasn't happy with his performance or something. So I pulled him aside and explained the situation, and indicated that we'd likely use him again as an alien character, under prosthetics. If he hadn't done such a good job, this wouldn't have happened, because no one would've cared about the character.

The most realistic holographic message I've ever seen in a sci fi show.

@tanall5959

4 жыл бұрын

And also a realistic depiction of why such things would be horrible for people who meander when talking, or pacers like myself.

@AgentExeider

3 жыл бұрын

@@tanall5959 I like how Refa and G'kar reacted as the holo-Londo walked through things, namely themselves. nice touch.

@stephenmcculley788

3 жыл бұрын

@@AgentExeider did you see refa move like his head was going to get hit by a person.

@mnomadvfx

3 жыл бұрын

Not really, G'Kar is moving a bit yet the image is not.

@WouldntULikeToKnow.

3 жыл бұрын

SG1 had some good holographic messages too

"Leave his face and his head intact. They will be needed for identification. The rest of him is yours." - G'Kar

Honestly my favorite part is G'Kar walking away at the end. His cup of rage was spent long before this and he simply wants to save his people. Long way from the days of him plotting to kill the kindly Emperor back early in the series.

@kalaong

2 жыл бұрын

That's interesting to say, because you should look back on his answer to Morden asking, "What do you want?" kzread.info/dash/bejne/fqFsvNylkru_gKg.html Deep down inside, he always always *always* knew that a military solution to the Narn/Centauri conflict would never favor his people, and all he ever cared about was keeping them safe. He just never saw any alternative. Of course, it took a lot of boots to the head for him to admit that to himself. The one that made it through was delivered from *inside* of his head. kzread.info/dash/bejne/c22qk8yDj6S6lcY.html

@pwnmeisterage

Жыл бұрын

He knows his rage and vengeance will not be quelled by punishing the genocidal murderer. The punishment is necessary. It evokes a certain satisfaction. But it is also unenjoyable because it will not bring back those who have died, it will not ease the suffering his people have already endured. It is a Pyrric victory, a reward purchased at an unacceptably high cost.

@coalcreekdefense8106

Жыл бұрын

That's why Morden walked away from him. There was nothing there the Shadows could exploit. By the time Londo saw past his own greed and arrogance, he'd already given the Shadows everything they needed.

@toddkes5890

8 ай бұрын

@@coalcreekdefense8106 I saw it as G'Kar's wants would eventually subside once the Centauri were dealt with and there would be nothing afterwards. Londo's wants could never be satisfied and would go on and on.

One thing I absolutely love about this scene, Londo doesn't just kill Refa, Londo decides it would be infinitely more poetic to tell Refa of how utterly fucked he is before having him be killed in an undignified manner while being framed as a traitor to the Centauri

@szarvaskoppany

Жыл бұрын

With which he took some risk to, considering the recording might fall into hostile hands...

B5 actors absolutely made up for the low budget. I loved this series more than Star Trek and Star Wars.

@ficklefingeroffate

3 жыл бұрын

Low budget? No, the show was actually very well funded through its run.

@dmk941

3 жыл бұрын

@@ficklefingeroffate It was low budget compared to its direct competitor, DS9. The average B5 budget was half of the average DS9 budget per episode. www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/production.html

@stephenblevins3829

3 жыл бұрын

This and the scene were Delenn tells the Earth Alliance ships that the only human Commander who has defeated a Minbarii cruiser is behind me and you are in front of me and if you value your lives be somewhere else, might be the two most epic moments in sci-fi television history.

@tonycooke4517

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought the 2 best actors in main roles in B5 were Peter Jurasik as Londo and Andreas Katsulas as G'Kar. Both lit up every scene they were in. And when they were together... Just brilliant.

@MJD1701A

3 жыл бұрын

The story lines were deeper, richer and provided more acting opportunity for each character.

"None of this matters to G'Kar, of course..." - Walks right through him. This is such an awesome piece. the humour, the acting, the poetic aspect of the gospel playing in the background, the primal feeling of "Refa had it coming for two seasons, and now he finally gets it".

@slewone4905

11 ай бұрын

None of it matters. He's a Centauri. reason enough for a Narn to kill.

My second favorite moment of the series. My first being when Viir waved at Mordens head.

G'Kar just walking away was an excellent touch. He did this for his peoples' sake, but he's learned the cost of vengeance.

@Shadowman4710

5 жыл бұрын

All he was missing was a mic to drop...

It's such a minor part, but I love how realistic it is that the hologram isn't positioned correctly for most of it, because obviously Londo was just pacing around an empty room talking at air when he recorded it.

The relationship and story arc between Londo and G'kar was some of the best SF/TV writing ever IMO. Two amazing actors brought two amazing characters to life in a way that still resonates today. Brilliant editing at the end of this scene...absolutely beautiful!

@saliston

Жыл бұрын

Longo and G'Kar would have been unstoppable as allies. The few times they worked together they changed the course of Babylon 5. Two fantastically powerful characters.

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

@@saliston The vast evolution of their characters and relationship was the most epic arc of the whole series.

@MariusRiley

Жыл бұрын

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@nomanomen4611

11 ай бұрын

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I think what I love most about this scene is G'kar. He is calm, collected, and even when he could be righteously beating the crap out of Refa, he doesn't. He rises above it all and with a look of slight approval he leaves it behind him. Satisfied. It's a small but significant moment for his character. He gets a piece of justice without having to pay much for it.

@toatahu2003

5 жыл бұрын

I always interpreted it as, while he approves of Refa's death, he is very UNsatisfied with the situation. Yes, Refa got his, but it does not undo what he did. Narn is still unfree. Killing Refa does not satisfy G'kar's rage. While he allows his people to vent their righteous anger at Refa, he nods in approval, and then walks off to go finish the work that still needs to be done. It's as Londo says, "It's not enough to simply KILL you..."

@tophatminion.7558

5 жыл бұрын

@@toatahu2003 I love that line it's so well done. You can really feel the absolute hate and rage in those words

@JamaicanCastle

5 жыл бұрын

I feel like it's an early echo of what he'll express later, after the occupation finally falls. He knows his people have to fight for their freedom, but he's worried about what's becoming of them in the process. He wishes his people were better than they are, but all he sees is them becoming worse. More like the Centauri.

@trinitymplayers

5 жыл бұрын

@@JamaicanCastle Ironically, the Centauri, like the Narn, were once a peaceful people until they were invaded and almost wiped out by their advanced and genocidal neighboring race, the Xon. Which led to a war of attrition which ended with the Centauri getting the upper hand and destroying the Xon, but becoming a similarly aggressive warlike people in the process, bent on becoming a universal power so they will never again be hurt by other races ("get them before they get you").

@sitdowndogbreath

5 жыл бұрын

@@trinitymplayers such as life and there's sad that it comes to that sometimes indeed it is but the game is the game

Respect to B5 for marrying a gospel tune with a fatal beating. For a show that went out in prime time in the 90's they had certain episodes with a cinematic quality. Shows like B5 showed the way for the quality TV of the next 20 years.

@andyme3541

5 жыл бұрын

You said this over a year ago but it made me think, B5 was a show that had a over arching plot while it's episodes for the most part where self contained, how much did B5 then inspire the Marvel Universe a series with an overarching plot while each movie is self contained?

@roguishpaladin

5 жыл бұрын

Andy me B5 wasn't as self-contained as you remember. Especially when you get into 3rd and 4th season, it is not really possible to follow the show without having seen earlier episodes. The idea of a TV show with a finite arc was new at the time. TV shows back then set up concepts and then each episode was one story within that concept. B5 was one of, if not the, first to really have a plot from beginning to end. We have it to thank for shows like 24, Lost, Game of Thrones...the stuff where the show knew where it started or where it was going (even if some of the stuff in between may vary).

@Raguleader

5 жыл бұрын

Specifically, it's a scene of a villain being beaten to death in a song about Judgement Day.

@garywhite5641

5 жыл бұрын

Ironic and fitting for Refa.

@merlin9943

5 жыл бұрын

One of the most memorable moments in the history of this show and it had quite a few.

Before the guy is dead,......"Leave his face and head intact, it will be needed later for identification." Jeebus, that's intimidating.

@kotazosabe5891

3 жыл бұрын

deadpan delivery...G'kar didn't even punch him once...

@gponce1717

3 жыл бұрын

By avoiding damage to the head, he won't get knocked out so quickly and he would feel every strike on his body.

@kotazosabe5891

3 жыл бұрын

@@gponce1717 collapsed lungs after breaking a few ribs...his two hearts pumping like crazy for all the stress...whoa. wonder if someone cut his tentesicles as a souvenir

@Zamolxes77

3 жыл бұрын

I love how despite being PG-13, the way they talk, the delivery of the lines ... sparks your imagination. Damn when I heard that line for the first time I got chills down my spine. And then G'kar just turn around and walks away in disgust, not even him wanted to see what was about to happen next !

@darthvader5300

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zamolxes77 What is that Christian song they are singing? Sounds good to hear and to listen, very inspiring!

It is so entertaining and COLD that G'kar calmly discusses killing him to his face and even draws a line across his neck, lol. Something I have never seen done quite like that anywhere else or so well!

@odysseusrex5908

5 жыл бұрын

It's interesting that he says the face and head will be needed for identification. DNA was only just coming in ti use at the time, and the show didn't quite catch up with the technology.

@kurtjk01

5 жыл бұрын

@@odysseusrex5908 I always saw it as a kind of mafioso thing: by brutally destroying the rest of the body with bare hands, yet leaving the head, it sent a clear message. In addition, the fact that the data crystal is put over Refa's right heart -- the one that does the pumping- -- makes it even more powerful.

@odysseusrex5908

5 жыл бұрын

@@kurtjk01 Interesting theory.

@Raguleader

5 жыл бұрын

And he's not even talking TO Refa, he's talking ABOUT Refa, as if he's not allowed to have a say (which, well, he's really not).

@michaelmartin9022

5 жыл бұрын

@@odysseusrex5908 You can't see DNA in a photo

This scene will never, ever get old. So many great parts of an amazing moment in a spectacular show. “Hello, Refa.” “Leave his head and face untouched.” “No hiding place.” The timing, the execution, G’Kar’s weary, justified, satisfied look and walk at the end...damn.

Playah got played! Second most satisfying death of the entire series, after Morden.

@Reoh0z

2 жыл бұрын

Vir finally got what he wanted.

I like Refa reaction when his personal guard just turns around and walks away. He knows then that he is screwed.

@The9393114

2 жыл бұрын

More like "fscked."

Londo could be funny and silly, but when he got serious his cunning and ruthlessness were terrifying. Mad props to Peter Jurasik for portraying his contradictions so credibly.

@recoil53

5 ай бұрын

"You've committed genocide, killed close friends, killed my love . . . and inconvenienced me". It's silly and terrifying to toss in that "and inconvenienced me" at the end of the list of reasons why Reefa has to be killed this way. Like that one time he didn't keep the elevator door open for Londo is what really set this plan in motion.

i love how they injected humor into this dark scene, like how the hologram wasn't calibrated for where the actors were standing and thus freaking out Refa and G'kar when it walked through them. 😀

@HubiKoshi

5 күн бұрын

I love how G'Kar seems to shudder when Londo walks through him XD

One of the best revenge scenes in history. Everything about it just works. I love the small detail that when Londo's hologram "points" to Refa, he flinches. The "happy" Southern Gospel is the perfect juxtaposition of emotions. They don't make em' like this anymore.

@youtube_omaro1879

Жыл бұрын

The hologram goes through Refa's face. That's why he flinched. G'Kar does the same a few seconds later when the hologram walks through G'Kar. It's a really great detail

@stormydragon2668

10 ай бұрын

Except it wasn't actually revenge; later on we found out Morden was actually responsible and just blamed Refa for it to push Londo into needing help from The Shadows

Love Jurasik's performance in this scene particularly. If you can't notice, the minute he mentions Adira, his voice kinda cracks, but he immediately gathers himself and continues. The whole time, he's talking about his country, he's full-blown Punished Londo, pumped up and angry, but when he thinks about Adira, he seems to slightly get weary. Maybe it''s a sign he would have chosen Adira over Centauri Prime?

@SantomPh

6 жыл бұрын

Based Cyanide unlike other Centauri he actually loved his wives.

@RichardX1

6 жыл бұрын

Adira wasn't one of his wives (he HATED them, and the feeling was mutual); she was his secret lover.

@ireneparkin3360

6 жыл бұрын

The fact he couldn't say her name and her death was still a bit of a sore memory can change a person.

@rocketraccoon1976

6 жыл бұрын

He would have chosen her over Centauri Prime, which is why Morden had her killed and framed Refa for it. With her gone, all Londo had left was the glory of the Centauri Empire. With her gone, Londo accepted Morden's help to advance the Centauri.

@nigelft

6 жыл бұрын

Steve Rogers ... but yet after, or because of, everything, Londo ended being pretty much shattered ... iirc, when he became Emperor, there was no grand parades, no spectacle, no celebration ... He simply entered the Palace, by himself, while a single bell tolled, ringing out the same number of times equal to those of his people whom died ... his coronation as Emperor was a pretty somber, and sober, affair ... Fortunately, he taught Vir the better side of his (Londo's) nature; so when Vir himself became Emperor, he would go down in Centauri history as the empathetic, compassionate, Emperor they needed to rebuild themselves ...

"Dear Refa, If you are watching this, it means you are dead..."

Say what you will about Mollari, but when it comes to revenge, he has style whether or not he's getting his hands dirty himself.

@PackerBronco

5 жыл бұрын

Morden and Refa would certainly agree

@davidharding2956

5 жыл бұрын

*gives a rolling finger wave*

@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite

5 жыл бұрын

2:30 To show how much *Londo* Mollari *HATE* Lord Antono *Refa* - *Londo* is not only going to kill *Refa* but, as a total defeat & nail in *Refa's* coffin by saying *discredit* - *Londo* is also letting *Refa* know he's going to destroy anything connected to *Refa* *DISCREDIT: disgrace, blame, shame, smear, stain, humiliate, degrade, taint, slur, detract from, disparage, vilify, slander, sully, dishonour, stigmatize, defame, bring into disrepute, bring shame upon*

@mjptrapster

5 жыл бұрын

@@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite Thankyou Mister Thesaurus!

@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite

5 жыл бұрын

@@mjptrapster I am going to smoke YOU like *Refa* got smoked.... Goodby mjprice

I love how after G’Kar uses his own words against him “the rest is yours” the situation finally hits Reefa and he just *bolts.*

the combination of the gospel song and the chasing scene are just epic! love it!

@Bacopa68

Жыл бұрын

Well, some white folks were like Lord Rifa, justifying slavery as saving souls of black people from West Africa by enslaving them. But later some of those black folks got too deep into the liberatory side of the texts they were introduced to. Oops! I guess us white folks better get to emphasizing justifications for slavery. But Oh no! They get this and say that there are examples of emancipation and compensation in Scripture. What are we going to do?

Yes Refa. “A small price to pay for immortality.” This has to be one of the most comically ironic scenes in science fiction.

This scene exemplifies everything I love about Babylon 5... even the good guys aren't saints, they all have their own inner darkness, their flaws and demons... their just morally flawed people doing their best in very bad situations... this is what made Babylon 5 superior to Star Trek to me. It's like Sisko said the problem with Federation is Earth, Earth is a paradise and it's easy to be a saint in paradise... but their's no paradise or saints here... just people... just people making the best of some very bad situations.

@blindandwatching

2 жыл бұрын

That's why i lost interest in star trek. Perfect people dont exist. DS9 was ok, but B5 was better.

@bthsr7113

2 жыл бұрын

@@blindandwatching To me, Star Trek is aspirational Sci Fi. It is less concerned with what is likely than what could be. We see a near utopian future not because it's probably, but because it is possible, and we should strive for it. It can get a bit dull or dubious though. Conflict is what makes for a story, and seeing a society that has supposedly achieved utopia can only demonstrate conflict by utopia being threatened from without or questioned from within. This can undermine the idea that there is actually a utopia, but at its best, Star Trek shows hope of progress shining bright against all odds.

@matthewanderson5198

2 жыл бұрын

@@blindandwatching DS9 was more cynical than B5 though, DS9 lays bare the problems with the federation but makes no attempt to fix them. B5, hope manages, that's fundamental to it's mentality. There's a dawn waiting for you, you just have it see it.

@corykunze4330

Жыл бұрын

Sisko was no Saint, and DS9 didn't shy away from that fact. Just think about how the Romulans got involved in the Dominion War. The rest of Trek was pretty much a utopian dream, though.

@KaitouKenshiro

Жыл бұрын

@@corykunze4330 that's why Sisko is my favorite captain and DS9 is my favorite Star Trek.

"It is not enough for me to simply kill you" Words you never want to hear.

@MinceyJ02

4 жыл бұрын

Ain't it the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!

The chills that run down my spine when he says "I think they would like thank you, personally, for you efforts"

Few deserved their fate in the series the way Refa deserved his.

@PackerBronco

7 жыл бұрын

Refa and Morden got what's comin' to 'em.

@singletona082

7 жыл бұрын

And Vir got exactly what he wanted.

@GaldirEonai

4 жыл бұрын

The funny thing of course is that the thing he got killed for was maybe the one crime he _didn't_ commit :P.

@DeathToJihad

4 жыл бұрын

@@GaldirEonai, He was guilty of everything mentioned except the murder of Adira.

@InfernosReaper

4 жыл бұрын

@@DeathToJihad And honestly, in a way, isn't he also partly responsible for that as a political rival that Morden could leverage against Londo?

G'kar and Londo elevate this entire series. Rarely have I seen characters so complex and interesting, so awesome when playing of each other.

16 members of House Refa disliked this video.

@crazylarryjr

5 жыл бұрын

32 now

@joelquinn5347

3 жыл бұрын

@@crazylarryjr some might be Narn not able to participate - hard to tell

@jonathansoko1085

3 жыл бұрын

or 86 people upset that there is christian symbols and song in the video. People are very petty that way.

Given what the average human can do to flesh and bone when angry, and the Narns are quite a bit stronger than us, its no wonder in the next scene Londo said there wasn't much left of Refa's body.

The one thing that still gets me is when Londo mentions how Refa took something of great value to him, and his voice cracks a couple of times before he gets control and switches back to his usual self - controlling which emotions go with which statements. Possible sorrow in his voice when he mentions the dead Narns, his anger at the loss of his friend... all driving points home, and in some cases, manipulative. But when he talks about his lost love, he loses control briefly.

Babylon 5 really knew how to be theatrical in the best of ways.

"...the rest is yours." Refa bolted so fast, he almost went to Lightspeed. Not fast enough, though.

@gilmadreth680

3 жыл бұрын

Ships that small can't generate their own jumpoint.

@MarsJenkar

3 жыл бұрын

Already, there was no hiding place down there.

This was such a dark moment even 4 this show. & probably one of it's most brilliant & satisfying events. The heinrich Himmler of the show goes down!

@Bfdidc

8 жыл бұрын

+Barny5ive He kind of was, wasn't he? Or at least the Reinhard Heydrich.

@canadianhart3527

7 жыл бұрын

I always thought of him as more of a Quisling from WW2.

@ralfzillmann3007

6 жыл бұрын

Not really, Quisling was just a collaborator. At this point Refa was the main power behind Cartagia and the aggressions of the Centauri. He was like Hitler, even if he didn't seat on the throne.

@rasheedqe

5 жыл бұрын

Dark? This doesn't even make the top 10 darkest moments on this show.

@jps6071

5 жыл бұрын

Sad thing, Cartagia "without" his influence turned out to be even worse.

One of my fave scenes is where at the end of the episode Londo has chosen which wife to keep, because she freely donated her blood to save him (which he didn't know), 'because with you I always know where I stand"

@singletona082

7 жыл бұрын

I remember that being the wife that poisoned him to begin with. I could've been very wrong though. I do remember that line and thinking Londo a wise man. Choose someone who you can work with rather than those that will smile pretty and ready a knife to your back.

@JnEricsonx

7 жыл бұрын

No, it wasn't her, if I'm not mistaken.

@kalindren

6 жыл бұрын

I remember reading somewhere that Londo did find out - Doctor Franklin apparently slipped it to him on the QT before he made his choice.

@SeraphSeph

6 жыл бұрын

Nah the wife that poisoned him was actually the nicest one that instantly wanted to fuck his brains out. The wife that loathed him just donated the blood.

@ganados0

6 жыл бұрын

People noted when Londo and his wives met G'kar they exchanged something. G'kar slept with the one who was attracted to powerful men but it's likely that two of the wives plotted to kill him, the miserable one who gave him blood wouldn't have known nor participated in such an act given her ethics.

The Narn Bat Squad doin' the Lord's work, HALLELUJAH!

@logandarklighter

3 жыл бұрын

*WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM!!!*

I love that "You've inconvenienced me." was on the list of reasons.

I loved how Refa flinched from Milary's hologram. Such a nice detail they put in the show like that.

@Alknix

7 жыл бұрын

Even better is how G'Kar shudders in disgust when Londo walks through him.

@Beau74

6 жыл бұрын

Milary? Are you freaking serious. Mollari. Moe-Lar-E.

Well sung song. Very catchy. Great singer. But yeah, when I saw it I imagined how spooky/creepy/scary the song must seem to the aliens in the room for whom it is all a foreign concept w/out any context. Its not a song about how some day you, the wrongdoer, will come to understand the error of your ways. Nor is it a song about how the profit you thought you were going to get w/your wrongdoing will end up being ashes in your mouth and you'll realize it too late. Nor is it even a song about what goes around comes around, nor he who lives by the sword dies by the sword, nor any of many another less creepy cliches. Rather its a song about how you will face cold merciless inexorable terrible retribution and no matter how much you run or pray for mercy, there will be none, and isn't it happy and great lets sing and dance about it hooray. Were I an alien who had never seen this side of my co-workers/colleagues, I'd be pretty creeped out right about this moment.

@roguishpaladin

5 жыл бұрын

Remember what the Vorlons preach. The concept of cold merciless inexorable terrible retribution for those who deviate from the path is very in keeping with their path.

@stephenwood6663

5 жыл бұрын

And you can see that on Lennier's face! He's like "Er... why are we happy about this?"

@garywhite5641

5 жыл бұрын

If ever i find a karaoke machine with this song on it, I'm singing it.

@fieldy409

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly if we get to the stars it won't surprise me at all to find out we are one of the most warlike species in the universe.

@fhr331

5 жыл бұрын

This is the same song playing in the background when Sam Wheat happens upon Oda Mae Brown in "Ghost" it might even be the same version.

"...to your health, Lord Refa."

@popelgruner595

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many do get that reference... ;-)

See, sometimes it's not enough just to kill a despised character; the punishment has to have poetic satisfaction. Destroying Reefa's entire family legacy by framing him takes it from "Hah! He deserves what is coming!" to "Oh, damn Son...." levels of revenge. It's a level of satisfaction that GoT totally forgot it needed in it's final seasons.

@texteel

6 ай бұрын

or, "Destroying Reefa's entire family legacy" is still included in the "Hah! He deserves what is coming!" category.

As beautiful as this entire scene is, I think the best part is Lennier and Delenn being confused about gospel music...

@Dr.Chibbins

Жыл бұрын

Clearly the Minbari in the background got it and was enjoying it, or DIDNT get it but just went with it and let the spirit move him

@robertbusek30

Жыл бұрын

@@Dr.Chibbins Probably worker caste... :)

@chrispalmer7893

7 ай бұрын

@@robertbusek30 The gospel song is an odd choice in some ways given JMS's atheism, although maybe that perspective actually deepens the scene. Everyone is taken by the juxtaposition between the violence of the death and the upbeat gospel song, but from an atheist point of view if you actually listen to the lyrics the gospel song in its own terms is celebrating the suffering of those they consider sinner and so is actually aligning rather than contrasting with the song.

@robertbusek30

7 ай бұрын

@@chrispalmer7893 It’s a song about cosmic justice, something that atheists cannot believe in. The punishment of Reva (who certainly deserved it) is paralleled well here. Despite his atheism (or perhaps because of it), JMS took religion seriously in this series. It’s one of the reasons that I believe Babylon 5 is superior to Star Trek; Roddenberry always seemed to dismiss religion as primitive…

@chrispalmer7893

7 ай бұрын

@@robertbusek30 This episode depicts vengeance, not justice. Terrible as Refa is, he doesn’t deserve to be beaten to death by a mob. That’s the whole point of having G’Kar walk away from it - earlier in the show he’d have enjoyed the revenge, at this point his character has outgrown that and takes no pleasure in the act. He likely doesn’t consider it justice, rather a necessary but regrettable evil balanced out by the release of Narn prisoners. What Refa deserves is due process. A proper trial and, if convicted, incarceration for life with no chance of release. So yes, the parallel with the song is perfect because the “cosmic justice” you and it speak of is an equally barbaric nonsense. There is no justice at all in the biblical concepts of sin and redemption (not least because the only sin the god of the Bible really cares about is the sin of not believing in and worshipping him; a narcissist is the very last person who should ever be allowed to judge others). The very concept of Hell, which is infinite punishment for finite crimes is the anthesis of justice. Indeed, it’s one of the reasons Roddenberry is right about religion being a primitive impulse which we’ll hopefully grow beyond. It’s not that JMS takes religion more seriously, he’s just more pessimistic about our ability to grow than Roddenberry - his issue is the speed with which society dumped superstition. At the time I’d have been inclined to agree, but as we’ve seen in the intervening years social change and the evolution of attitudes is happening with ever-increasing speed and it now feels much more likely we could be finally done with all that bullshit 200 years or so.

The only thing Refa was innocent of was Adira's death since that was Morden doing in order to put Molari down the darker path and make him the Shadow controlled Emperor.

@JnEricsonx

6 жыл бұрын

And we all know how Mollari reacted when he found that out. As I met Mr Jurasik a good 10 odd years ago, he said one of his favorite scenes was his final meeting with Morden. It was so good.

@Harldin

5 жыл бұрын

@@JnEricsonx And perfectly finished off with Mordens head on a Spike and Virs little wave

@Dvinven

5 жыл бұрын

@@JnEricsonx Ah I met him as well, he was such a kind friendly man. I really enjoyed speaking with him.

"And the rock cried out no hiding place!"

I remember the first time watching this episode and being in awe of how masterfully the two different storyline were joined together by the music at the end. I've never seen anyone do this in a show before or since.

I have several sci-fi shows I have liked over the years. Babylon 5 being one of them. I believe Londo is one of my top three favorite non-humans out of all of them. He had questionable ethics, but deep down, he had a practical moral base and an incredible ability to turn a phrase. With that Balkan-like accent, he made a wonderful anti-hero.

@JnEricsonx

7 жыл бұрын

Peter Jurasik-the actor, said that he made sure to make the accent non-distinct, so that no one could give him shit about imitating a regional accent. Nice guy.

@roguishpaladin

5 жыл бұрын

Jon Ericson Heh. Yeah, if anyone had a Balkan accent, it'd be Mira Furlann.

I love Lenier during the spiritual.

@thexalon

6 жыл бұрын

The fact that even he starts singing along tells you something about the power of group singing.

@DeathToJihad

4 жыл бұрын

It's weire foreshadowing if you think about it.

The PERFECT symbolism--Refa getting killed in a Narn cavern while the Gospel song 'No Hiding Place' being sung at the same time.

@startreker20

8 жыл бұрын

Symbolism? Sure. Subtlety? None whatsoever

@KedarOthort

7 жыл бұрын

Subt--sub--what was that word?

@tanall5959

7 жыл бұрын

Its that thing where you try to use LESS dakka, rather than more. An utterly absurd concept, to be sure.

@slitor

7 жыл бұрын

You should google a spitting image classic "Every bomb you make"

@Areanyusernamesleft

7 жыл бұрын

Why were you expecting subtlety in any scene with Londo Mollari, +G.V.Serac? He's the type of character that not only thrives on melodrama, he makes it look good! :p

It's the little things that made B5 great too e.g. when Refa dodges hologram Londo's swinging arm. :) Also that is a really dark song sung with such happiness. D:

@terraclaiborne2088

5 жыл бұрын

MrCordycep G'kar too! He flinched and shuddered when the hologram went through him.

@limemobber

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, it is a really dark and downright twisted song about Revelations and the End of Days being sung so cheerfully. What I find even more creepy is there are real people in the world who sing that song and believe it and look forward to it.

@toatahu2003

5 жыл бұрын

Actually, this song paired with the beating of Reefa is the PERFECT match for this song. In Revelation, when God returns to judge the world, it's after the horrific persecution of God's people, where the souls of the slaughtered have been calling out to God asking when he will avenge their deaths, and the guilty sinners are righteously judged for it, just as Reefa persecuted and slaughtered the Narns and then gets his. It is an ironicly upbeat song about brutal justice being delivered, but the tone fits absolutely perfectly, as the scene perfectly illustrates. Babylon 5 is amazing!

@jrm48220

5 жыл бұрын

I think the Pierce Brosnan version of the Thomas Crown Affair had a better version of the song. kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4N4zqWalcy6YLA.html

@crazylarryjr

3 жыл бұрын

Refa dodging was good, But G'kar was better. when Londo walked through him the little shake was awesome. No matter how close they became, having a Centari that close (even a hologram) was unsettling

Londo had already dosed him with the first part of a binary poison a long time before that, so when he says that he could have had him killed anywhere he is not joking. Instead, he chose to kill Refa in a way that made a point and likely destroyed Refa's house forever in the Centauri Royal Court.

@JoshSweetvale

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe. We never find out if Londo did a sneaky or a spectacular bluff. Could've been either one. ^_^

@grayscribe1342

4 жыл бұрын

@@JoshSweetvale No bluff my friend. Remember Londo's old friend? Who challenged Londo to an honorable duel? Who lost on purpose? Because he was about to be charged by Refa and his alies for some made up crimes. He would probably gotten a death sentence and his family would have been discredited, ruined and put on the streets at best because they were his family and therefore guilty by association? He let Londo kill him, because the rules of the duel said the loosers family would be taken into the winners family. Therefore they would be save, because they weren't his family anymore. Refa was found with documents, making him look like a traitor to the Repulic for personal gain. With his death he can't defend his family and his allies will have enough to do saving themselves but still would loose a lot of influence thanks to their connection to a traitor. The guy getting the 'proof' from Londo was tasked with ending the feud between Londo's and Refa's houses and he likely knew what had happened, though he also knew that there would be no proof of it. He had a choice between discrediting Refa and his entire house along with their allies or facing Londo and his allies, with Londo no longer looking like the joke they thought he was. Even after all he helped to start and end the war against the Narn thanks to his associate Morden he was seen as just a useful ally, not a real player. After Refa's death everyone walked a little more carefully around Londo. I don't think it was a bluff. Refa's house ende then and there.

@Ashannon888

4 жыл бұрын

@@grayscribe1342 not quite. Vir actually ended up marrying Refa's daughter.

@catprog

4 жыл бұрын

@@JoshSweetvale Watch the scene again. Their is another bottle on the table.

Couldn't happened to a nicer guy. Long live B5 in all it's glorious forms.

You could say the Narns... _smoked the Refa_

"The rest is yours"........

Incase it’s missed on anyone here, even though Rifa is a villain he is not responsible for Adira’s death. This is the Shadows playing Londo setting him up for the power grab.

@rowanaforrest9792

17 күн бұрын

I can't remember whether Londo ever finds out that Lord Refa had nothing to do with Adira's murder, that it was Mr. Morden and the Shadows. I think Londo would have felt unbearable guilt had he found out -- not guilt about getting Refa killed, but guilt that his association with the Shadows at least indirectly led to Adira's murder.

for those who are curious, Refa is basically space Hitler.

@jamesmartin9401

8 жыл бұрын

+Wanderingsage7 More Goebbels I think, but your point is made, regardless.

@jamesmartin9401

8 жыл бұрын

V Guyver I'll have to look that one up. Thanks.

@nevilleross865

8 жыл бұрын

+Wanderingsage7: More like space Mussolini. IMHO.

@vguyver2

8 жыл бұрын

Neville Ross Mussolini did way more that Rafa, despite being far more incompetent. Also, he tried to avoid the start of WII unlike Rafa who thought it a good idea to attack everyone.

@thecraziestofalldave

8 жыл бұрын

+Wanderingsage7 Not THE hitler, but he was certainly a helpful little fuck who deserved what he got.

One of many scenes from B5 that I still remember so many years later. Refa certainly had it coming. Molari and G’Kar, sworn enemies for so long, working together to settle scores; both so businesslike and ruthless…against an utterly ruthless and evil man. With the gospel music it’s almost “Godfather”-esque. I grew up a Trekkie and still love it but this is one example of where B5 could be better in moments because it was willing to realistically go where Roddenberry wouldn’t….

I love how G'kar just stands there watching and nodding with a stern look on his face

Y’all have Game of Thrones, we had Babylon 5.

the end was so full ircony, with Refa dying while such a song is played. It made me laugh while that guy died.

Amazing scene and such a masterful juxtaposition!!! Love G'Kar and Mollari.

Ironically, Refa's daughter later marries Vir and becomes the Empress of the Centauri Republic

@Matej_Sojka

3 жыл бұрын

And she was adopted daughter of Londo before that. And Vir´s agent among his opposition.

@garyivey1697

3 жыл бұрын

not sure if that was cannon but i enjoyed the stories about Timov they were a great read

@jonathansoko1085

3 жыл бұрын

@@garyivey1697 Indeed, not cannon.

@SantomPh

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathansoko1085 Senna has appeared on screen "In the Beginning" and is also seen in the last appearance of Vir, coddling her husband before Zak pulls him away to focus on business. And it's canon with one N

THIS is why Mollari is my favorite character in all of B5!!! The man is someone to be studied with how he handles things, it always gives me chills because in reality there are actually people like that in the world today......its just a matter of finding them.

@slewone4905

2 жыл бұрын

Love and hate is not opposites and Mollari proves it. He is a passionate man.

The choice of music at the end of this scene is nothing short of brilliant.

Emperor Cartagia like Lord Refa had it coming.

@steveeverett1736

7 жыл бұрын

except that Cartagia was a tool, a pure puppet for the Shadows to control. Don't you remember the events leading up to Cartagias deah how he wants to be rememebred..."Londo, I want to be remembered as a God!"

This is very strong scene. We have the death of villain character Lord Refa who is responsible of the Narns genocide, and in meantime we have gospel song that says there is no hiding place where people laughing and smiling people who are aliens and humans in all shapes.. Rabi minbari Sheridan and Pakmera .. Only Babylon 5 can do that .

This scene is great and all but on a smaller note at 4:12 I love how into the song that Gaim and Pak'ma'ra are

@steveaustin2686

3 жыл бұрын

The Hyach in the far back left is grooving too. Nice catch.

They literally turned him into a raw hamburger with a perfectly intact head sticking out of the top...

I loved this. Brilliant move by Molari. Excellent scene from an excellent show.

I remember seeing that bit years ago, my mom asked me why I was laughing so loud

@Obsidian1392

7 жыл бұрын

Lol mum is a ledge

@erictaylor5462

6 жыл бұрын

A really bad person is about to die a really bad, very just death.

@mcavelli84

6 жыл бұрын

Laughter is a reaction to danger.

@bryancreech1236

5 жыл бұрын

good Lord said reap what you sow do on to other what you have them do to you

5 жыл бұрын

If you commit acts of evil, it is only a matter of time before it catches up to you and you're made to face your own doom.May it be life in prison or the death sentence.

That is some gorgeous juxtaposition of a man running and failing to escape the consequences of his actions with a song about how every Sinner will face God in Judgement, either in death, or on Judgement Day. Absolutely brilliant.

A perfect end to Lord Refa. Revenge is a dish best served cold...on Narn...in a cave. IIRC from episode "And the Rock Cried out no hiding place"

Looks like Lord Refa got smoked.

@101jir

6 жыл бұрын

What do you expect when you forget about Jesus?! =P 4:03

@NPC-nn4qe

5 жыл бұрын

LOL!!

@Relugus

5 жыл бұрын

You could say it was Refa Madness.

@colonelgraff9198

5 жыл бұрын

*~~~

@paulsmith5752

4 жыл бұрын

On glorious Narn Homeworld...

This one of my favorites episodes - it put a good smile in my face. Long did I waited to this one getting his just deserves. I hadn't follow any sci-fi series as devoted as Babylon 5, and I had not done so since.

Lord Refa, meet the Narn Bat Squad. WHAMWHAMWHAMWHAMWHAM!!!!!

@roguishpaladin

5 жыл бұрын

"Zo I zayz to the guy..."

@meldroc

5 жыл бұрын

@@roguishpaladin WHAM!WHAM!WHAM!WHAM!WHAM!

No hiding place, so sayeth Mrs. Tuvok.

One of my favourite shows of all time And this may be my favourite of so many wonderful scenes in it

What's more dangerous than a locked room full of angry Narn? One angry Narn with a key.

The power of discomfortation theory, for while the lyrics may agree with the images, the tone and feeling of the music could not be more different.

@HappisakVideos

8 жыл бұрын

+Bob Barnwell The jovial nature of the music makes this scene even more chilling.

@Jstck1

8 жыл бұрын

+RustiSwordz I thought it was hilarious the first time I saw this.

@bobthecopywriter

8 жыл бұрын

RustiSwordz I agree the jovial nature does make a powerful contrast. Also Jstck1 I can see your point there is a very dark sense of humor as you see the villain find no hiding place literally.

@R3GARnator

7 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of how they play 'The bear and the maiden fair' In a certain game of thrones episode...

Londo has done some terrible things, but at least he put his people and his house first. Reefa was worse. This scene shows just how and why it is a terrible idea to anger Londo AND threaten the safety of his people

@Krahazik

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Even when Londo was making evil mistakes, he was still trying to do what he thought was best for his people. He just had a few missteps along the way.

@bradwolf07

3 жыл бұрын

@@Krahazik well stated.

@Janoha17

3 жыл бұрын

@@Krahazik Londo is a Shakespearean Tragic Hero.

One of the better scenes in the show- the juxtaposition starts off funny but it becomes pretty disconcerting by the end of it.

@websnarf

8 жыл бұрын

Akerfeldtfan Agreed. JMS is a genius for thinking about inter-cutting these scenes together. Watching Refa flail about while they are singing "and the Rock Cried out! ..." was awesome.

@Nunavuter1

8 жыл бұрын

Babylon 5 did some very unusual things for a sci-fi show. The black Baptist choir singing with a few Minbari trying to grasp it all, juxtaposed with G'kar allowing his men to beat the Centauri to death but walking away in disgust. That's good writing and acting. So much is going on at once, and the creators of the show respected us enough to gather it all up.

@dragoniguana

8 жыл бұрын

+William Johnston JMS is such a magnificent writer. Like you say, I love how he respects his audience enough to do really complex stuff like this and just let us get it.

@Nunavuter1

8 жыл бұрын

+dragoniguana G'Kar remembers how he once was, powerless and angry. Now he is an influential leader, a poet, a philosopher and a diplomat. I don't think G'Kar wanted Refa to be killed for his crimes, but G'Kar knew that the Narn soldiers under his command needed to vent their anger for decades of oppression and wrongs against them. G'Kar walks away and lets them do it. But he is disgusted by such violence now.

@Ares99999

8 жыл бұрын

+Alex M I go to the middle. He's satisfied, but no longer finds the enjoyment for such things he might once have had.

I love how Londo put being inconvenienced among his list of grievances for which he would have Reefa killed. It's delightfully petty.

Refa flinching from the holographic hand is a brilliant touch.

It was such an amazing juxtaposition. A real testament to how great Babylon 5 was.

I love how this scene shows G'Kar's slow progress from hate filled warrior on the Kha'Ri to an almost Messianic figure by the end of Season Five. A year previously to this G'Kar would have enthusiastically joined in the murder of Lord Reefa, but now he sadly walks away and lets the other Narn tear him apart. He's moved on, and can no longer justify such primal beast like violence.

Some of the best television ever!

"Hey Refa! What do you think of our new drum solo?"

@kurtjk01

4 жыл бұрын

It's a smash hit!

the pacing of the scene is so incredible good. goosebumps and tears of pride. this series is so incredible well written and imho the best television has to offer till now. and the humour makes it just better. this was such a reliefing scene.

One of the best monologues in Science Fiction. And balanced against music both uplifting and appropriate to the story. JMS is the man.

I love B5...

one of the greatest satisfying moments of justice in sci fi i've ever witnessed.

That might have been the roughest death in the whole series. Great episode, great use of music.