I find it crazy that she stalked this man and almost ruined his life but she’s worried that they are harassing her online.

@Armz69

20 күн бұрын

Cuz he has a conscience that's why, unlike some

@KingM119

19 күн бұрын

​​@@Armz69I'm assuming you must be referring to yourself? Because if she had a conscience, then she wouldn't have never revealed her identity in the first place if that's what she feared?

@jojobooboo

19 күн бұрын

​@@KingM119she had no option but to reveal herself as she was outed by online sleuths.

@stewartwilson1

19 күн бұрын

your mental he made up the story and pushed it as true now hes been caught out he backtracking , lame as fook ,

@alyssah8756

19 күн бұрын

Becuase she has a right to move on too

I appreciate him setting boundaries for himself. I wish it was clearer that it was fictional…it starts with “this is a true story”.

@JackV-tw8bw

20 күн бұрын

It says in the credits that the show it's fictionalised and dramatised

@nancykozorezova3549

20 күн бұрын

I mean fundamentally it's not fiction at all, there are just SOME added components for dramatization.

@jeffreywillstewart

19 күн бұрын

@@JackV-tw8bwI couldn't find that in the many credits. Netflix automatically goes to the next episode after 5 seconds unless you manually click to watch credits. As soon as it came out I saw it as a cash grab by Gagg. If this is supposed to be an amazing work of art, let's see what else Gagg comes out with. As an artist , I hate one trick ponies ,( or reindeer.)

It is highly frustrating the backlash he is getting for telling his story. As a woman I stand with him and Netflix. He has no obligation to protect his abuser. Absolutely none. That’s the responsibility of the legal system and mental health services. Let than man have the same freedom as any female victim would. When Amber Heard ran to the media lying did any of them care about what would happen to Johnny? Because his stalker is crazy doesn’t make him any less a victim and come to think of it what stalker isn’t crazy?

@K-a-i.

20 күн бұрын

media didn't care about Johnny but should learn from their mistakes and be more careful next time. Just because someone is a victim doesn't mean all he and Netflix are saying is true. In the end legal system protected him and stalking stopped.

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

Then why has he not pressed charges against the man who s a'd him?

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

1000%. I swear some of these comments are accounts from his stalker.

@Esenabros

17 күн бұрын

@@K-a-i.it’s a movie not a documentary 🤷🏽‍♂️

@Esenabros

17 күн бұрын

Johnny depp is still cancelled despite him being the victim. Tell me when last you saw him in a major production?

Maybe he just healed enough to finally set some boundaries! He said himself facts were changed, but the majority of the events really happened and the emotional core of the story is ultimatley true. As a survivor myself, theres too much I can relate to. The story is about trauma. Its not about names. He doesnt owe us names or anything.

@Bunny11344

19 күн бұрын

True but he has to understand what he puts out the internet will look. Can’t have ur cake and eat it too, as in making it into a neflix series

I’ve seen Morgan criticize Gadd for putting in the Martha goes to jail part for not ever actually happening, but that’s one of the parts that’s fiction. I think the reason he had his tv show version of himself able to get his stalker thrown in jail is because that’s probably what Gadd wish he had done in real life with his own stalker. He wrote a show from a place of reflection on events that had already transpired, so of course he’s gonna have his characters make the same mistakes, but ultimately able to be more enlightened in the end as he was when we wrote the show. But what is true was there being an article about Fiona stalking her ex-employer and her family. Even though she denies her English version of a restraining order that she had served to her, by saying it was a filing error, which is a wild lie, that event and article does exist. Fiona and Martha are mirror opposites with the lies they tell, and the way they name drop having lawyer friends and connections and also criticizing Gadd’s man hood and his line of work. Gadd was able to portray his stalker down to even the smallest of mannerisms. I do believe there are over 40,000 emails, and that there was over 100 letters sent to him. And that he does have every single voicemail saved from Fiona. And I also bet he is being triggered emotionally by that fact his stalker was on tv. Gadd is a brilliant writer, and did what every single writer and creative ultimately dreams of doing with their own personal past trauma, which is write your trauma out and put it in front of the world as a way to convey your journey in life, as the journey may align and enlighten another in their own drama they live through at this very moment. Baby Reindeer is brilliant and truly cinema at its finest.

He is right. The real people should be left alone😉

Everyone knows how people are on the internet these days. You have to be some kind of naive to think that nobody would search for these people.

The only part of the movie that is wrong is part where she goes to jail. The should just send her to jail. I’m sure if it’s true other way round, the man will be in prison.

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

And what about the man who assaulted him? Why isn't he going to jail?

@karenmbbaxter

20 күн бұрын

I think this woman is also mentally ill and needs to be seen by a professional.......She outed herself because if she beleived it wasn't about her she would have said that it's not her........She went on the Piers Morgan show because she is obsessed with 5 minutes of fame......She was paid 250 pounds for the interview. I think Piers has also taken advantage of a woman who is mentally ill.

@casie1124

19 күн бұрын

I thought we didn't know if she actually went to jail or not. In her interview he says that those kinds of records aren't public in the uk so he couldn't say if she was being truthful or not

@LindaC616

18 күн бұрын

@@casie1124 you are correct

Piers Morgan is unconscionable for airing his interview. The guardian put it well when they said the world would be a better place if the interview had not happened

@KateSimpkon

21 күн бұрын

That's hardly a fair argument, everyone has the right to defend themselves, that's why we have a justice system. I'm yet to see proof of her so called reported crime. I'm not saying I trust her, but I certainly think he isn't to be fully trusted either.

@margopaton3240

20 күн бұрын

I reckon on hindsight that she did if for the money.

@LuvableAF

20 күн бұрын

This was an involuntary interview?

@CT-vm4gf

20 күн бұрын

The interview wouldn’t have happened if Netflix had said “based on a true story”. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

@username_creates6991

20 күн бұрын

Its based… not “a true story”… it also says after each episode that theres elements of fiction to it for dramatic and creative purposes just read the credits my god…

Netflix should have said based on a true story. Not true story. They messed up

@CT-vm4gf

20 күн бұрын

Yep, they wanted to have the views of a compelling true story. What is actually true though, certainly dulled my interest in the show.

@mobypancake

20 күн бұрын

Fiona’s gonna be rich rich, posting selfies from the Maldives.

@burlhorse61

20 күн бұрын

do ppl realise that artistist licence is taken out on most 'true story' based movies made on screen? weird how ppl are acting as if this is the first time its happened.

@wenchyfoodwench4098

20 күн бұрын

I agree they should have had better disclaimers.

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

​@@burlhorse61it does not matter what people realize. The fact is, he put the information out there and could not be arsed to change the language on the tweets. So she was identified and harassed as a result, and the law is going to look at what was there. If they said "this is a true story", then they are going to owe her a chunk of change, which is probably why she's going to do the interview and pressing charges

I got a message from ex about messaging him omg i texted him like omg he like stop calling me calling the cops 😂

Listen, lady, if you didn't do these things, then it's not you. Stop inserting yourself into the story. Done. Period!

He made it obvious who she really was - both of them are unhinged - he led her on

I really don't understand why she agreed to be interviewed and name dropped herself when her victim didn't even do that and purposefully (and ironically) changed her name in this series he even fictionalized. She could have lived a peaceful life even after the series came out, But no....

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

She did not out herself completely. He printed the tweets verbatim and people were able to seek her out online and find her. Because some people are nosy and like a challenge or a puzzle. So once she was outed and was being harassed, she came forward.

@mrs.berganzo

17 күн бұрын

@@LindaC616 thank you for clarifying that to me... In that case, the people of the internet has to stop harassing her too and she also has to surpass and ignore them because if both parties won't stop she's gonna get mentally sicker. This really isn't gonna end well if everyone is so triggered and lack self control like this. I mean, it was made especially for the victim to move on from his experience. We really aren't helping both parties. I'm gonna stop following this thread now as much as I can.

@LindaC616

17 күн бұрын

@@mrs.berganzo I agree with that, although he's done some shady things as well

@mrs.berganzo

17 күн бұрын

@@LindaC616 oh.. I think people with trauma do things outsiders will never understand... Tho the fictionalized character Martha seems like a very bright person. I think if she would find a healthier outlet she finds interesting like doing visual arts.. like painting for example.. or anything therapeutic for her really.. it will help her a lot. They both need to recover. it's all about acknowledging and breaking a bad habit and replacing it with a good and more resourceful one like the arts for example.

@LindaC616

16 күн бұрын

@mrs.berganzo well, one could argue that he's already working on the creative side, and he claims it's to work through it all. I just find it odd. Someone else, and I can't remember if it was someone who had seen the play or not, mentioned him and his friends joking about her, making it sound as though when he was with her it was because he had no one else and he was just using her. And that clicked for me, even though I have no evidence that that is true.

Why did Martha resemble the real person if he was trying not to reveal who it was. The resemblance is uncanny.

oh! he told people not to do it? well its Ok then. should work LOL

@sammybabyyy

20 күн бұрын

Lol

Too late Gadd, and what do you have to hide? How many lies did you tell?

@effdonahue6595

20 күн бұрын

Oh my Gadd! It’s a foogin mystery 😈

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

Okay Fiona. Lol

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

It's just tiny details, like settling the stalking was done out of court.. he has 40 thousand emails from her still lol. It's already been confirmed that Fiona stalked that lawyer lady... so shove off you weirdo. It says at the end of each episode some things are dramatized.

yeah so not a true story even though they said it was....

If he was so worried about people not being identified, why make people think it was a true story and then so easy to find the people. Something stinks. Stalking is an awful thing to do, and some of us have been stalked, and many are doing it to some degree in seeking out info on these people.

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

It WAS a true story, some things were dramatized it says at the end of each episode. If Fiona didn't want to be found then maybe she shouldn't have left so many tweets to him on the internet... you can't erase a digital trail. He has 40 thousand emails from her... how tf do you cover that up AND get your story out? Oh Well, she was found. Big deal.. Netflix did nothing wrong. This is the age of the internet ppl would've found her no matter what. The also found the lawyer lady she had stalked prior to Richard... so there's that. She has confirmed Fiona stalked her & they had to have massive security in every building bc of her.

@carrington2949

19 күн бұрын

Exactly

@amyt2035

13 күн бұрын

Yeah that's what I just can't make sense of. Why make her Scottish in the show too, with the same hair colour/cut, the same physical build, the same legal background, the same childhood story, the same exact quotes she used on social media. I mean he could have called the show "Little Fox" instead of "Baby Reindeer", he could have made her boast about being a doctor instead of a lawyer, he could have changed her race/nationality, he could have said "I'd park in your harbour" instead of "I'd hang your curtains"... I just don't get it.

so the "true Story" label is a lie? Which is it Gadd?

@Pollyferganstien

20 күн бұрын

I guess he’s in hiding now he’s made all his money mmmm😮

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

Some things are dramatized it says at the end of the episodes.. so little changes like how their stalking case was settled was different, for example. Big deal..?It IS a true story lol

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

@@Pollyferganstien you guys are all so tacky

@irishgirl1753

19 күн бұрын

She.Does not realize they can see her tweets as she didn’t delete them

words of someone who's got something to hide

@tatbaz1

21 күн бұрын

Nope. Its called being professional

@Dianam8913

20 күн бұрын

Words of someone that wants to leave the drama alone

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

​@@Dianam8913because he is riding high atm, and he does not want to be harassed and hounded the way she is. From what I hear, he's no angel

I just binge this show, not even knowing it's trending all over vlogs.. I just type in baby reindeer.

I believe Richard. She’s unhinged.

Fiona's nephew, Kyle Muir, came out on Facebook on Piers Morgan's thread and called his aunt a liar. He says she went under her maiden name Muir NOT Harvey and was jailed for 4 months for stalking. Her full name, Fiona Muir Harvey, is touched upon in the beginning of Piers interview she said she dropped the Muir and goes by Harvey...so MAYBE people should be looking up her last name Muir for the stalking charges not the last name Harvey.

@karenmbbaxter

20 күн бұрын

Someone else commented on this on another KZread channel........The sad part I also find is I think this woman may be mentally ill and is not obsessed with Gadd but fame and relevance.

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

@@karenmbbaxter She is a stalker. She's lying.. that's what they do lol the lawyer lady she stalked has also been found and said yes indeed her life was destroyed nearly bc of Fiona.. she had to have security everywhere.

Interesting

very strange story...it seems like this woman is acting out and playing the role of martha. honestly there is no proof that she is the harasser nor that richard gadd was really harassed or sexually abused. 

@JackV-tw8bw

20 күн бұрын

It's clearly her, peirs asked her to take a lie detector test which she wanted no part of. when peirs said why don't you ask Richard to realise the emails, calls, text and social media messages to prove it's not you she was 100% against it because it's obvious her. She contradictied her hundreds of times for example she didn't know where he lived but she sent a letter to his address.

Anything is anything. May have done... smdh 😂 I dont think I sent him anything lol. There might have been a couple.....may have done.....18 - 14 tweets 😂

It is not defamatory because he didn't use her name....

I don't know the full story for this show but I understand this woman outed herself because she revels in the 5 minutes of fame thing......If she only messaged him 18 times instead of thousands of times then wouldn't she say " It's not me coz I only messaged him about 18 times?"......18 times is still a lot but it's not into the thousands of messages.

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

yes.. it's bc she is lying. The lawyer lady she stalked has already been found & had confirmed she had to have security on every level bc of (Fiona)

Best decision made. Just enjoy life and move on.

Did he lie ? Hmmm 🤔

So a pack of lies then.

He’s sold his soul for money. One trick pony. Interesting he wont comment now he knows he’s been caught in a lie.

Seems like not all of it was true and he made up and embellished some of it 🤷 He may be in trouble legally as the show said "This is a a true story" not based on a True Story or that some of it was embellished.

@Esenabros

20 күн бұрын

It’s a movie and not a documentary. Movie is meant to entertain. In the Jeffrey dahmer movie, it shows him offering the woman a human meat sandwich but the real woman said nothing like that happened. No movie can give you 100% truths. If you want information, go and watch a documentary, this is a movie, the goal is to be entertained.

@Esenabros

20 күн бұрын

It’s a movie and not a documentary. Movie is meant to entertain. In the Jeffrey dahmer movie, it shows him offering the woman a human meat sandwich but the real woman said nothing like that happened. No movie can give you 100% truths. If you want information, go and watch a documentary, this is a movie, the goal is to be entertained.

@justdoit758

20 күн бұрын

It was clearly said parts of it were embellished to make the series more interesting. Thats what art does!!!

@username_creates6991

20 күн бұрын

It said it was based on a true story and after each episode it says that parts of the story were fictionalised for dramatic purposes so…

@justdoit758

20 күн бұрын

@@username_creates6991 it is based on a true story and parts of the true story are embellished to make it more interesting…JUST like every other film ever made based off a true story! Are you dense

It wouldn't be hard to prove whether she had charges against her laid or she did jail time. Also, emails can be tracked also. Id say she's telling the truth. Someone may end up getting sued.

@Esenabros

20 күн бұрын

She says that she didn’t send that much messages, and she didn’t go to jail but she didn’t deny the stalking. 🤷🏽‍♂️ I dare her to sue, so that proper investigation can bring out the full criminal nature of her actions, so they can counter sue and send her to jail.

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

​@@Esenabrossomeone has suggested that Netflix wants her to sue so that they can have a part too. Lawyers have said that, because Netflix put "this is a true story' at the beginning of the episodes, that she very well could get a chunk of change from them

@mollyram2997

20 күн бұрын

It says at the end of each episode some things were dramatized, so Netflix did nothing wrong, only little things were changed. The lawyer lady she stalked was also found and she confirmed Fiona stalked her & nearly destroyed her life & career... so there's that. You wanna keep backing this lady?

Hope she sues

@mobypancake

20 күн бұрын

She is and she's gonna get millions out of Netflix. They'll probably settle and sign a disclosure agreement because I doubt they'd want it to go to court. If they did lie about some of the things in the show, like her being arrested and sentenced to prison for 9 months, and that didn't happen, she has a clear win. Especially in a UK court of law, defamation is much easier to win in the UK than in America.

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

​@@mobypancakeall of this!

The equivalent to "no comment," so what does Gadd have to hide?

❤

He has shut up because he is about to get sued .

@tatbaz1

21 күн бұрын

Read the disclaimer at the end. Hes not getting sued for anything

@sammybabyyy

20 күн бұрын

@@tatbaz1 he obviously doesnt read much lol Fiona Harvey was quite vocal about the show on her X(twitter) account. She even tweeted “ I used to call him baby piglet not baby reindeer”.

@sammybabyyy

20 күн бұрын

Correction.. Netflix MAY get sued but I highly doubt it. The more Fiona talks the more she gets caught lying, takes away from her credibility.

@roberthopkins3621

20 күн бұрын

I saw an attorney last night that said he is going to represent Fiona Harvey and she is going to sue . 8 guess you don’t read much

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

​@@sammybabyyyI agree with what he 👆 said, and defamation is easier to win in the UK than the US. Gadd reproduced her tweets verbatim and that led to nosy people going online to search her out. Since she has been harassed and hounded, she can claim that she has been deprived of her livelihood, all because Netflix put "this is a true story" at the opening credits.

For real, it's based on like three girls in real life. And one of them knows Qanon.

Fake show

I wouldn’t hide my stalker if that happened to Me. I believe in shining a Light on that stuff. So if there’s any truth to it she’s lucky that he didn’t. She should have quit while she was ahead IMO

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

But he did not identify the man who assaulted him

@wenchyfoodwench4098

20 күн бұрын

@@LindaC616 I’m sure he had his reasons. He didn’t identify this one either. So what?

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

@@wenchyfoodwench4098 I think there's more to this on both sides then we know

@wenchyfoodwench4098

20 күн бұрын

@@LindaC616 I totally agree with you there!

@LindaC616

20 күн бұрын

@@wenchyfoodwench4098 "London live" reposted an interview 2 weeks ago that they did with him in 2019, when he was doing this as a one-man play at The Fringe festival. He seemed absolutely glib discussing all of it

Ok get he didn’t want the real people found BUT we all know people don’t do what you want. Ofcourse people are going to find her. People are nosey and curious. Extra measures should of been taken. Don’t pick an actress so similar in appearance. Change the accent. Don’t put her posts on social media word for word on the show. change the name of the pub. Like cmon...