a charger with useful data and a power plot, my engineering heart and brain are so happy

@caseyknolla8419

7 ай бұрын

I fear this will only last as long as it's in "field test" status

@ToddGlasier

7 ай бұрын

@@caseyknolla8419 Gosh I hope not. There is a huge need to educate ppl on charging and how it works, and what to do and not do. Like not charge to 100% while others are waiting.

@universeisundernoobligatio3283

7 ай бұрын

My engineering heart and brain say what why does it need lights buttons and switches, more stuff to break down and confuse people.

@simplygregsterev

7 ай бұрын

@@ToddGlasier sadly most people don’t care and have no problem going to 100%

@fededevi1985

7 ай бұрын

@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 The average EV user today is tech-savvy and appreciate stuff like that, in 10 years it will be different tho

WOW. Great video. This 400kws charger is amazing. And no hand shake issues. It's like being in Norway. EV haters are going to hate this.

@omelborpon3159

7 ай бұрын

Luddites will not be happy!

Everytime I see an Alpitronics charger in Germany I know that it WILL work. Alpitronic's just the best

Glad you made it out to check out what I consider to be one of the coolest charging sites in North America (I might be a bit biased 😉)

@anthonyc8499

7 ай бұрын

What a cool project you got to spearhead! It’s doubly cool considering the transition to the new role at the best charging hardware companies around. I hope this won’t impact your ability to make CPO site reviews and impressions.

@Crazypostman

7 ай бұрын

Congratulations on your new job at alpitronic!

@usa-ev

7 ай бұрын

Neat! Congratulations!

@omelborpon3159

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, Branden. It's good to know you are on the job.

Shout out to Branden on the new job with Alpitronic. Looks like they are rolling out some great equipment.

Circle K is really stepping it up! "Gotta love it" - Seriously though Circle K in europe has been on top of their game with charging and it's so nice to see them also expanding state side! As an AIO unit that's very impressive!

This is further evidence that the entire world of electric transportation is constantly evolving. From vehicles to motors to batteries to producing and delivering electrons… all of it, unlike the ancient fossil fuel world, is on the move! And this isn’t the last word. More improvements are on the way. Great video as always Kyle!

@stephenpalmer896

6 ай бұрын

Where is all the power coming from to power these chargers? Wind turbines? Solar panels? Or perhaps from fossil fuel power generators?

@lumicolour1

4 ай бұрын

@@stephenpalmer896no

Thank you for going Turbo Nerd on these chargers - it's an important topic that manufacturers and retailers need to get right if we want the EV revolution to keep going.

On a trip a couple of months ago, I used the 180kW Circle K charger twice. I was very happy at how easy they were to use and it's the perfect place to stop. We even had a squeegee. I'm really looking forward to these new, bigger chargers. All we need now is a canopy!

ABB had the most common 50KW charger in Europe 4-5 years ago. Then they had a very unreliable 150KW one after that. That made all the provider change to Alpintronic.

@rukasuara

7 ай бұрын

ABB Always Be Broken

@junehanzawa5165

7 ай бұрын

ABB is useless. They (along with Delta, and to a lesser extent Signet for their surge) should be sued for doing all they can to dampen EV adoption in America. Are they owned, or are getting secretly paid by fossil fuel interest perhaps? They could not possibly be more unreliable. EA should rip down every single one of their units and sue them. ABB = Always Be Broken is absolutely correct. It's awesome that Ipitronic and Kempower are finally rolling out in America.

This video is longer than the time it took me to charge from 7% to 80% at the charger featured in the video when I stopped there a few weeks ago on a road trip from Charleston, SC to Pittsburgh, PA. It seems to be very nice equipment.

@usa-ev

7 ай бұрын

What were you charging? 😀

@spinf0rk

7 ай бұрын

@@usa-ev Kia EV6

@usa-ev

7 ай бұрын

@@spinf0rk Nice! Congrats!

Wow thats impressive. The fact there doing this without external cabinets is unreal.

You can't beat the enthusiasm of early days. Go Kyle!

Nice! Finally Alpi brings the juicy stuff. 💪

I hope that the Rivian has that incredible charging curve. It's got a battery the size of Brazil. 😁

Circle K? Who’d a thunk it! Of all the businesses in America to do this! Cool!

Thank you for the coverage, Kyle. The importance of 400 kW is going to ramp up quickly. The ability to split 500 A at 400 V is super important, and we're starting to see EVs that will require 500 A well past the 700 V limit of the currently deployed 350 kW chargers.

@chrisw443

7 ай бұрын

did you see the garbage can with window washers attached? Glorious for any charging site.

@newscoulomb3705

7 ай бұрын

@@chrisw443 Definitely. It's a baseline expectation of mine. As much as people diss Walmart sites, at least they have trash cans. And you can always buy a squeegee and windshield cleaner inside. Out West, I think the providers have been doing a much better job of building charging sites at gas stations, but other parts of the country seem to be catching up with chargers going in at Buc-ee's, Pilot, and Wawa.

17:56 The great thing about the Phoenix Contact and REMA cables is that the hand grips make them as easy to handle as even Tesla's Supercharger plug. They might be heavier (which can be helped with better cable management), but the the handles are similarly ergonomic. Realistically, it should be no different for consumers than the handle on the gas pumps.

13:08 I was charging on that exact dispenser back in June and I just dug up my picture of the charger and there was definitely an e-stop there 5 months ago.

@TechnicalLee

7 ай бұрын

I'll pulled up on a couple stations where the E-stop was pressed. PlugShare reviews said it was broken, but I pulled out the stop and it worked fine. So ignorant people just press it to stop their charge and take the whole station down. It's best that they're removed.

@sjokomelk

7 ай бұрын

​@@TechnicalLee On the ABB chargers you want the E-stop. That is the easiest way for anyone to reset the faulty charger when it eventually stops working. Again. 🙈🙄🤣

The unmentioned highlight was the trash can with windshield washer in the background. Finally, someone in the US has figured out that EV’s are cars.

thanks Kyle, a ton of information to process, love your enthusiasm

The Alpitronic Hypercharger HYC400 will be installed in the Mercedes-Benz future charging stations and they are one of the best chargers

Good to hear. Hope to see these proliferate quickly nationwide. I would be happier, however, if they already boasted a NACS connector.

@jonpetter8921

7 ай бұрын

If you have great hardware, which connector do you use really doesn t matter.

@usa-ev

7 ай бұрын

They will as they roll out, I bet!

I am so here for this! Thank you Out Spec / Kyle, no one else is digging into the details of chargers, and talking about why the public network can be so unreliable. Your passion is so appreciated! Didn't know Circle K was Canada based. It is indeed a pivotal year next year for sure, it was so great to see non Tesla's sharing the super chargers with me on my last Montreal to Vancouver EV trip. Great camera work too - how did you keep an iphone so steady and well framed?!

@simplygregsterev

7 ай бұрын

Circle K is owned by Couche Tard based in Laval QC

More chargers everywhere please! And make them big beefy ones like these - wow that's a lot of amps.

Props to Branden.

Great video. I live about 10mins from that Circle K. I may try out the Alpitronic just for the hell of it.

It seems to work so that’s a step in the right direction! Hopefully they will continue to be reliable.

Yea! Thanks to Out of Spect Looked up and Circle K is starting to roll out in San Diego county.!

Wow. Great stuff. Thanks for great vid.

That Alpitronic is a wild wild unit! You need to come up and see whats happening here in Quebec. Couche Tard (Circle K) is really building up their network along side Circuit électrique. Like 3-4 Terra 180s at locations

Circle K / Couche-Tard is based in my hometown of Laval, Quebec, Canada, in the suburbs of Montreal. They have only deployed 180 kW chargers around Quebec for now. Interesting choice, as our winters are great tests for those high-powered chargers. Come on Couche-Tard, get on it!

I work for a small Energy Company in Germany and I‘m Building Ac and DC Charging Station. The reason why we didn’t have so much ABB charging stations is the bad reputation. The old stations were not reliable and there were problems with the law in Germany „Eichrechtskonformität“. I know companies that have been waiting for years for the ABB service.

Love when you guys collab 😊

Two years from now the US fast-charging landscape is going to be so vastly improved as to be unrecognizable.

@uutube243

7 ай бұрын

No way. Nothing on west coast and nothing being built.

@anthonyscott5134

7 ай бұрын

@@uutube243, HUH? Tesla building constantly, BP will be building out their own branded network based on Tesla Superchargers, I believe it was announced today that another Oil company signing on for their own branded Tesla chargers… Ok, Just finished watching this video. Kyle, who studies, researches, built a career on deep diving into this industry, and basically lives, eats, and breathes this stuff, is undeniably excited about what’s coming in, as he mentioned, 2024, and YOU are saying no way? So what exactly is your expertise on this industry? What actual research have you conducted? What manufacturers have you spoken with? I’ll wait for your response, but until then, I think I’ll go with what Kyle says.

@lynyrd65YT

7 ай бұрын

@@uutube243there seem to be a lot of Tesla Superchargers over there

@thedopplereffect00

7 ай бұрын

Very unlikely. Still 150+ distance between chargers in many areas

@anthonyscott5134

7 ай бұрын

@@thedopplereffect00 , What’s very unlikely? I have no clue about the 150 miles you speak of, but you’re actually thinking that in two years the U.S. fast charging landscape won’t be vastly improved? He didn’t say it would be on par with gas stations, he said it would be vastly improved. I can imagine you at the dawn of the automobile telling everyone “That thing is just a fad! They’ll never replace the horse and buggy! I saw three of them today being pulled by a horse and buggy!”. I can also picture you after the wright brothers first flight saying “ If man were meant to fly, he’d have wings”. Heck, I bet when Tesla first came out you were probably just like those videos of the CEO’s of the big auto manufacturers who were making such confident statements that Tesla would never make it. LOL

Thats what we have at Circle K in Sweden and Norway, mostly HYC 300 and Terra 360 thou. And CK have also recently enabled Autocharge on their Hyperchargers, no support on ABB units yet.

Awesome.. Good Info.. Thanks

For the ABB, you must pay up for the continuous 360 kW. (I bought the expensive ones for our charging stations)

@usa-ev

7 ай бұрын

Publicly accessible? If so, where?

Kempower is soon opening its new factory in North Carolina and also opening order books for customers. Hopefully you get to check those out soon as Kempower begins its journey in the US! I personally think that the satellite solution is better as it can be scaled more easily.

Alpitronic are brilliant!

nice vid! loving it! Are these the same as in Europe (Belgium) Fastned?. In my area we have the 300kw. but I think that are rolling out the 400kw.

One thing I want to see on gas station chargers is the ability for them to work totally offline. App isn't working, no internet, or can't use a card you can just go inside and give the guy $20 for charger #3. They need to be as reliable as any gas pump and for that to happen it will need a local manual payment method when nothing else is working.

@thedopplereffect00

7 ай бұрын

Tap to pay should support that since it's based on cryptographic tokens.

@aussie2uGA

7 ай бұрын

The bigger fear is a power outage. The gas station generator can always power back up the pump but these units will still be dead.

@tmiw

5 ай бұрын

​@@thedopplereffect00 Supported, sure, but banks in the US have mostly configured their cards to only support going online. No internet means no card transactions no matter what, unfortunately. And even if they did allow cards to authorize without a connection, I doubt they're not just going to pull the money from the company running the charging station if the card was somehow bad.

I love seeing Alpitronic getting into the North American market. They will be the biggest competition for Tesla SC hardware. Forget ABB (always be broken). The Italians/South-Tyrolians can be proud of such a company like Alpitronic.

@dan_taninecz_geopol

7 ай бұрын

South Tyrol, my favorite place on earth. How do I buy Alpitronic stock?

I love changing!!!

Kyle, welcome back to the Carolinas! How did you get to that data screen in the Rivian? Circle K is doing a great job in the Carolinas with these fast chargers. I've found them to be very reliable & fast. Rivian RANs have been the only chargers that are better as they are plug-and-play.

That interface is a newer default interface for Hyperchargers, I’ve seen it on their smaller 50kW units

Kyle thanks for this great info but there is any news on how this is going to expand on the rest of USA?

They are SiC MOSFET switches not rectifiers. But the MOSFETS can be controlled ship power in both directions assuming they are configured that way.

Brenden flasch model y spotted😀😀 Cherrs from italy

Can’t believe was right there today and did not go the extra exit to check this out

around 9:45 in the night shot, is that a KIA EV6 on the HYC400? did you check how fast it charged and what the charging curve looked like?

Come on Alpitronic charges. Roll out everywhere!

Wish they would have also tested with an 800V car! ⚡⚡⚡

@cms1104

7 ай бұрын

At least on the Alpitronic we know they would do fine. 😊

@lynyrd65YT

7 ай бұрын

I prefer the Test they did which showed how the charger could output 500 amps simultaneously to two vehicles. Very very impressive 👍

Reminds me of the old recargo units with charging curves on the screen.

How do you get to that information screen on the Rivian? I can not locate it on my truck. Does screen access require the Out of Spec Reviews secret decoder ring? Thanks for all of the great information. And, Yes, I chose the R1T over the Lightening because of your enthusiasm for the truck.

Rivian was ripping it at the charge,pretty sweet.

Oh CK chargers. We have those in Sweden. It’s pretty good chargers

I use this one when i travel to Ga or FL

Kyle, what Ride app are you using in particular? And how does one go about installing on the R1T?

SiC MOSFETS can run at higher frequencies then IGBT's. So my guess is they are operating above the audio frequency band. SiC MOSFETs are great.

Since so many companies have decided to move to NACS is it going to be a big material change to switch over the charging ports?

What screen is that on the Rivian?

a video that needs to be linked in the wikipedia article for "nerd" . I like it 🥰

You shoud come to Finland, home of Kempower.

Charger Full Sends!!!

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. 🎸

These Alpitronic chargers including charging curve display etc are standard in Germany. You used one there yourself in Ludwigsburg…

For a city charging hub, would it make sense to install any level two chargers or not really? Do you think people would prefer the level three?

14:00 "We're all familiar with Lincoln Electric switch gear." 😂

As much as I would hate hanging out at a gas station I hope they install more. Can't visit family in our Tesla because nearest charger is over 70 miles away and doesn't give us enough margin for a several day visit. Still glad I have a gas car.

Can these chargers be used with just a credit card or you have to download a specific app only to use?

How did the sessions go ? Any issues ?

Well done, Circle K! This is what happens when people run EV charging programs that actually care about EV charging, operation, and adoption… the antithesis of companies that are doing EV charging for other reasons (*cough cough court orders cough cough*).

@aussie2uGA

7 ай бұрын

The different owners Circle K has had since it’s bankruptcy has done it well. Of course you can still get the 52oz 650calorie Coke with 175grams of sugar inside while you charge up.

I'm curious what adapter you're using on the Model Y. I just bought a Model Y and I have some EVGo credits I need to use up. I know Tom was saying don't use cheap Chinese adapters and there are plenty of cheap adapters on eBay etc.

Kyle what tires are you running on the R1T? Did you talk to Nokian about an OOS discount? :)

With this example it makes me wonder how reliability is going to be in future Tesla Superchargers now that everyone is going with NACS especially since alot of these modern EV's can rip at 190+ KW for a sustained time.

How do you get to the Ride screen you showed?

Great improvement! But it needs a credit card reader. I have used charger devices in a cell phone dead zone!

@cms1104

7 ай бұрын

It will come. No worries. And it will just work.

Given how many chargers still get backed into, even with the poles in the ground, how safe would this be if the unit was hit and dislodged from the ground?

A Spanish company called Zunder is installing those ABB Terra 360 all around Spain. Unfortunately charging infrastructure in Spain and specially in Portugal still sucks, too few chargers, sites are too far apart from each other and there are a lot of 50kW chargers…

I would like to see Taycan and Lucid charge on this ???

I have been charging on one of these new abb units a couple of times now and I haven't had the best experience to be honest. The screen was dead once with the charger still working and in general the scene is pretty laggy compared to other chargers I have used. Also it says 925v max?

We will see on how many weeks this Terra 360 holds up without breaking down :D ABB is known for faulty chargers here in Europe too. No one wants them and in fact Fastned replaced all their ABBs With Alpitronics and sells them now at a reduced price to interested people. Seeing that Alpitronic however is just really cool! Finally the US gets some proper competition to Tesla.

You came to Charlotte? Oh I missed a chance to meet you man. :(

Does that screen need a peel or is it just really dirty?

Need a station charging scoring matrix of some type, available stations, max charging current capability, amenities, canopy, cleanliness, location, etc...

LOVE THE 0k CHARGERS IVE OWNED A RIVIAN FOR PAST A YEAR AND WE REALLY NEED BETTER CHARGERS BAD!!!!!

How are you paying for it? Do you have a credit card on file with Circle K? Is Circle K making money on the charge?

Looking forward to two years from now

I don't see it oversubscribed. That is a 2000A switchgear, at 480v 3-phase, that is 1.66 MW. That transformer is likely a 2000 kVA or a 2500 kVA model based on size. Plenty of power to go around. There are only 0.94 MW of chargers there.

@thedopplereffect00

7 ай бұрын

Wonder if someday they just run the 3 phase from the power poles directly to a AC-DC converter.

I am glad some places get nice chargers, North Central and North East WI have diddly squat for charging, even Tesla chargers are few and far between. So is this a chicken and egg question, which comes first the cars or the chargers,?

@usa-ev

7 ай бұрын

Definitely chargers. Tesla realized this early. Everyone else just figured it out this year.

We have seen that the CCS1 cables are heavy and cumbersome to work with. How do they compare with the CCS2 cables, used in Europe?

@Mariini

7 ай бұрын

Quite same, without that lock button thingy.

Alpitronic chargers ❣

Kyle, if you’re reading, let me know if you want to have a go in an Gen2 NSX…..

Rivian slow charges typically until the battery pack hits 55 degrees

How many volts can the Alpitronic charger push? Curious what an E-GMP platform vehicle's charging curve would look like.

@bullshitbingo2259

7 ай бұрын

800V at 500Amps, so 400kW...? It can go slightly above those numbers but the numbers above are the sustained output. E-GMP could use max power on these chargers. To be fair 240kW isn't that high anymore. More interesting is when 800V EVs of the next 1-2 years get the full 350-400kW they demand. The charger should provide that without a hassle. That is true power.

Any idea why they picked the Rock Hill spot? I live 15 minutes away in Fort Mill and remember when I got my first EV in 2015 there were only 2 DCFC in all of the Charlotte area. Now there are over 100.

@anthonyc8499

7 ай бұрын

Circle K Southeast Division in Charlotte hosts the corporate charging team.

@IuseanXboxController

7 ай бұрын

@@anthonyc8499 Thank you for that information Anthony, I did not know that. :-)

Hello please forgive my question as I am new to EV ownership. Most recently both me and my wife leased Kia EV6's. One day we decided to take one for a test drive and she really liked it and so did I. We were a bit concerned with moving away from our ICE vehicles most because of range anxiety and charging infrastructure. She was first to jump in and I fell in love with hers than traded my ICE vehicle for one. So now we are all in even our house is also total electric. Not that we are climate activist but it's just the way things turned out with this house. We immediately installed a level two charger and have been very happy with our decision. My concern is what will happen once we have more EV's on the road and more charging going on with the grid already pretty fragile in some areas. I don't hear of much talk about improving the energy grid to support the growth of everything going electric.

I love the physical button design. Manufactures have to realize that the touch screen just doesn't work in outdoor environment. There is water and cold temperature, touch screen simply won't work.

How many are there?