Man I wish there was a visual family tree of all of these lions. These lion politics are so interesting!

@ochoaguillermo638

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I also wish so too. I will find out one thing after another just to forget, because there is so much going on. For example I am not sure how many generations back their fathers of the Avocas or grandfathers had a big huge coalition of 9 or 12 at some point. They were called the giraffe/ Avocas coalition. Appearantly they were half brothers or full brothers and cousins but from different prides I think maybe they had split prides, but I’m not sure so that big and huge coalition their fathers were might of happened through luck they all became nomadic and since they were all in the area from different prides but they had the same fathers controlling all these prides it is why and how they were 9 and 12 some even argue. I am not sure how a coalition that big dies, but I think there was one of their fathers was still alive a few years ago, but I haven’t heard anything from him anymore he was old already, but that same big coalition i think while they were younger maybe 5 or 6 I am not sure killed one of the Northern Matimbas. That was in 2014. If they were 5 or 6 years old back then I am confused how they all died so quick or maybe they are just deep in Kruger but they hunt them there so I am not sure.

@jonnyblaine2840

3 жыл бұрын

Right.. to see the linage and what genes survived

@crusader2112

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. 😎👍

@fearless189

Жыл бұрын

And confusing.

@tylermartin9017

7 ай бұрын

@@ochoaguillermo638there was 6 or 7 all from the giraffe pride

I absolutely am addicted to this series of stories about these amazing animals. Keep up the great work 👍

Brutus Avoca / Girafa is the father of the 5 avocas, who were born in the Avoca pride, of the young man of almost 4 years of Birminhgam, and of the lion of the Red Road. There are so many sons and daughters of this coalition.

Thank you for bringing us another lion tale, @SCAR. ❤️🐾😊 I appreciate the work you put into producing these videos.

The stories about Lion prides sound like a stories about legend Mafia or Gangster groups. Very addictive! :D

Thanks again for another awesome video I have to tell you your channel is my favourite on KZread and I look forward to your next video every week please keep up the great work and keep this kind of content coming it truly is so great to get updates on these amazing animals so thanks again from me my son an daughter were all fans of your channel

The resemblances are strong between the Daddies and both Avoca Coalitions of their sons. Many challenging changes have occured with the Northern Avocas who I didn't know sired almost 20 Cubs. Southern Avocas consistently look Magnificent living peaceful, but handle any issues with great impact.

I love it when the narrator says "The Western Sector"😂

Awesome update !!

More videos pls! love the channel! \m/

@charm8170

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! ♡

I hope all of there Cubs reach adult hood so they can bolster the lion population with offspring

Plz do notch and his sons thank you keep bringing us the best content

@troytaylor5746

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed that would be awesome

@bpprod.4981

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure what the video is named, but there’s an awesome one about Notch & his sons. What a remarkable story!! I’ve yet to come across a similar story.

Very beautiful photo taken and the explanation given to public

I love this channel

Can you do the 9 sky bed males? And what are all their names

All the Avoca/Giraffe males were full blooded brothers born into the Giraffe pride in early (2) and late (4) 2009 in Eastern Klaserie. The dominant male Brutus - the male at 0:09 - was one of the fiercest lions in KNP and it is mostly his genes we see in the Avoca boys. The Giraffe males ousted the northern Matimbas from Ngala when they took over the Birmingham Pride in 2015/16, killing Shaka in Jan.2016, then Slitnose in 2017, and dominating but sparing Whiteface Matimba in 2017. The Giraffe males also had one younger brother born 2011 who is the massive solo male who runs the Blackdam pride in Thornybush. The Avocas have a cousin the Red Road male who is dominant over the Nharu pride in Manyeleti, the Nharu pride are the three sisters of the Birmingham Boys.

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

They have few more cousins or half brothers, 2 males that hang around with the Mapoza male, the young male lion in the birmingham pride is also related to young Avocas, he was sired by Old Avocas. Again i think u are wrong, they came from Giraffe and Avoca pride, thats the info i got.

@tr1x243

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-oc5ke5qr8n no, he is correct, all 6 came from Giraffe pride + the youngest solo one.

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

@@tr1x243 ok my mistake! Thanks!

@jzkramer

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-oc5ke5qr8n You've got the erroneous fb knowledge of things, the two oldest Giraffe males were renamed Avocas after they took the Avoca pride in 2013 - when the Avoca males were born. And the Xikukutsu boys (Mapozas buddies) were fathered by the Ross males. You are correct the young Birmingham male is also fathered by Brutus - the oldest Giraffe male - you want to keep calling him old Avoca male, from the Giraffe pride

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

@@jzkramer yeah seems i dont have full aknowledge of their history. Thanks!

Yes Notch and his sons when they fought those lioness! It was a great video but I cannot find it 🙏🏽

Avocas are #1 to me especially Dark Mane, Blondie and Mohawk.

@mamavswild

4 жыл бұрын

kimberly lopez Blondie was HURT BAD just three days ago. He could barely walk. It took him five minutes to move a few feet. This was in the Djuma reserve and rangers there recorded his efforts. Very concerned for Blondie.

@kimberlylopez9402

4 жыл бұрын

The Real Deal I saw that on Wild Earth too and I too am worried about him. He was on Elephant Plains after that and I asked them for an update but haven’t had a reply. Please if you hear anything let me know please. Fingers and hearts crossed he is ok. He has come back from injury before.

@ronncarlfaminialan7525

4 жыл бұрын

What happened to Blondie?

@kimberlylopez9402

4 жыл бұрын

Crypto Maze I believe he was hurt killing a wildebeest. I saw Blondie watching WE on Djuma and I got to see the actual wildebeast on Arusthusa Lodge IG page.

@kimberlylopez9402

4 жыл бұрын

Crypto Maze 4/15/20 WE shows him limping back left leg/foot besides that he looks magnificent

Miss the mapogos

King Mohawk😍

How different it would be if the 3 Tsala males decided to challenge the 2 Southern Avocas. The story of the Tsala males coalition is so sad. If only they have a bit more courage 😭 I love the Avocas but the Tsala coalition is just tragic. Young Dark Mane ❤️

@heartsspades7687

9 ай бұрын

I think the Avocas should be having one of the best lineages from the reserve from the Giraffe males making them a threat even with fewer numbers on the other hand the Tsalalas have Majingilane lineage who are only known for taking on actual fights against lone lions separated from the coalitions.

There are Even more of the Avocas in Kruger i think. Very succesful Father 👍🏼

@juanvaskez2488

5 ай бұрын

Yes they had two brothers in Kruger

2 Southern Avoca brothers are my favorite.

@styx5131

4 жыл бұрын

@Avi. N the 2 Southern Avocas left their natal pride, and started their nomadic journey months before their 3 slightly younger brothers. They never left their natal pride as a coalition of 5.

@styx5131

4 жыл бұрын

@Avi. N no problem. No they haven't had any contact with each other since they became nomadic.

@charm8170

4 жыл бұрын

It will be interesting when & if this union happens. They clearly know each others roars & voices as they're all individually unique as are ours. They would also know each others scent, as it doesn't ever change from birth. Why didn't the older 2 just wait a bit for the other 3? I'm guessing they don't know just how hard it is out there until they experience it, especially coming from such a secure/stable pride as they did. They left full of piss & vinegar, testosterone telling them they can't wait any longer..

@ochoaguillermo638

3 жыл бұрын

I have always been thinking the same thing. Well at some point these lions get older, and injuries happen like they said one of the ones in the north got hurt hunting. I think I’m the future they might cross paths. They will ether join or fight I think they would fight. The longer they are splitter I have a feeling they will fight. I think maybe when they get older they might join if a few of them die.

story time! :)

We saw them on wild earth aka safari live on djuma game reserve

All sired by the mighty Avoca/Giraffe coalition.

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

@Anthony J no, they are all dead but leaved a great legacy behind with a lot of lions that reached adulthood like this 5 avoca and other lions in timbavati and manyeleti.

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

@Anthony J they were related cus avoca pride is a breakaway from giraffe pride, at some point of their jorney they met each other and formed a coalition aka avoca/giraffe

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

@Anthony J some say they were 7, 5 giraffe males and 2 avoca,but i have seen other numbers like 4 giraffe and 2 avoca, 5 giraffe and 3 avoca, i cant confirm you the real number..Tintswalo lodge call them The 7 Magnificent.

@jzkramer

4 жыл бұрын

All six Avoca/Giraffe males were born into the Giraffe pride in Klaserie 2008/9

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

@@jzkramer i think they came from different prides - avoca and giraffe pride. The males from the Avoca were 2 years older. If they had come from the same pride they would be just called Giraffe coalition. They were sired by the 3 old Ross males aka Giraffe males.

❤️❤️❤️❤️Nkuhumas.

Nice well explained video. It is surprising the younger Northern Avocas are doing much better than their Southern Brothers who left the pride months earlier than them by siring and having more cubs!

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

S.Avocas are like ghosts, they roam a lot, they have a huge territory and no one knows what they are doing when they disapear into the Kruger, seems they have a pride there close to Rhinos lodge. They are sucessful too, but not sired many cubs thats true.

@vilsonraska2889

4 жыл бұрын

Like this A. guy said. Southern avocas have had only one pride under their controll in the beginning and now they dont seem to be conectrated on one pride. That is a bad strategy. I think the northern avoca have taken their two prides since the beginning and have stayed there, not moved. That brings more stability for the pride females to mate and have cubs. The southern avocas own a pride in south ss and a pride in kruger. Matimbas did that too, but one of the matimbas stayed most of the time in the pride in kruger while the other 5 stayed in Sabi sands. The strategy of southern avocas has flaws. They have more territory than two lions are supposed to have, but they can not stay in the territory. That causes the fact that the females dont fully trust them. Dont get me wrong pls. Both coalitions are strong

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

@@vilsonraska2889 s.avoca have the Sparta female, the Sand River pride and the Plains Camp pride inside Kruger... For 2 lions yes it could be too much.

@vilsonraska2889

4 жыл бұрын

A But what does that bring? What good it is when you have a lot of lionesses and fail to raise cubs to maturity? You know, they dont even have a core territory. Have you heard of Notch coalitions sons called rekero boys in naboisho? They took 4 prides when they 5.5 years old. When they were 7.5 years old they took another pride( 5 in total). But their core territory were these four prides not the one that they took two years later. And it was always one lion concentratin in one pride almost every day. They met often and patrolled together but they had a main/ core territory. Southern avocas dont have one. I think its better to have few females and controll your territory than have a lot of females and not be able to controll it

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

4 жыл бұрын

@@vilsonraska2889 1 sparta lioness, 2 or 3 Sand River lioness and i dont know how many lioness the other pride in kruger have, all small prides maybe make their job more not to hard, i really dont know, hard to talk about a strategy, i think they just follow their instict, they found a pride without males and they just take it to their domain... How long can they mantain that pride, no one knows...

You should show a map of what they take over and what they territory is

I saw a lot of coalition videos but i can't compare it to mapogos. Mapogos lion are most brutal in history they counqouer 90% of sabi sand no one can do that in this era

There’s 7 now!!!!

Do the southern brothers have names

Nkuhuma?

I wonder if the brothers will all run into each other

Confused with the year's

Offspring of Avoca Coalition & Avoca Pride??

Are there any mopogoes left

@ScarYT

4 жыл бұрын

No, the last Mapogo King passed away in 2013.

How does one “fall pregnant?”

Are the southern avocas more aggressive then the northern avocas? If they ran into each other would they fight do you think?

@axelsh4348

4 жыл бұрын

jamie parskns definitely would

@axelsh4348

4 жыл бұрын

Anthony J yea by scents.. that’s how lions know who’s who

@terre08

4 жыл бұрын

@Anthony J I agree, the bonds that they had as cubs and "teenagers" are still there.

@styx5131

4 жыл бұрын

I think they would definitely fight one another, as they both control their own territory, and prides with cubs. Plus it's been yrs since they last saw each other, and since they took over territories as separate coalitions... I definitely don't think it'd be friendly. That'd be interesting to see.

@joeybecker781

4 жыл бұрын

@@terre08 The bonds are broken. If they meet there will definitely be a fight

Majingilane please 👍

When the Avoca males took over Nukhuma pride, did they kill Gowie cubs?

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

3 жыл бұрын

I dont think so, they only Kick out the talamati Young male as far as i know.

@kkg108

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-oc5ke5qr8n Thanks for your reply. Do you know what has become of the Talamati young male?

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

3 жыл бұрын

@@kkg108 actually i dont know where he is right now, have to look around if i find something i Will Share it! YW!

@kkg108

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-oc5ke5qr8n Thank you. I appreciate it. On a different subject, I understand there 2 Talamati males, sons of Selati lions, but haven't managed to find anything regarding them since they went into Kruger. Have you heard anything about them, are they alive?

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

3 жыл бұрын

@@kkg108 i cant find anything recent about them, just some videos before they roam into Kruger!

So would the southern & northern Avocas know each other if they ever met?? Like Mr T going back to his bros?? 🦁🦁💪🏼👍🏼

@bradjb2404

3 жыл бұрын

They would know, but it wouldn't end in hugs and kisses as they are all mature males that are now in direct competition with eachother. If they stayed as one group then they would be fine.

What would happen if the 3 brothers bumped into their 2 brothers? Would they recognise each other? Would they fight or greet each other?

@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020

3 жыл бұрын

i think they have a way of knowing their own kin

@philipbacaoco8297

Жыл бұрын

They would battle it out because they are no longer from disame coalition and have different territories

Never kno da meaning Of fear so da, 1st letter of dat turn it down to 😃

@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020

3 жыл бұрын

it reminds me of kinky tale of the mpogo coalition who attacked 4 lions by himself

The matimba had a battle with another coalition. When they face the Avoca they we're healing from their injuries.

@user-oc5ke5qr8n

3 жыл бұрын

Avocas had a fight before the matimba fight, they gave a hard beat on Scorro male.

So much lion game of thrones

Thank you for calling MoHawk, MoHawk there is one person who is trying to change it to the Golden Eyed Male.

@chrisbellmara4934

4 жыл бұрын

Pikkie I most certainly do agree with you. We have these random individuals on FB who comes up with these names. For an example: Nguvu. This name has nothing to do with the Othawa male. It means skirt/cloth ( close to that) in the area he’s in, and powerful in another area, so this person on FB can find another hobby. Leave the naming up to the guides and rangers. It’s their privilege and rightfully so.

@vishnukalarikkal2078

4 жыл бұрын

Remembering " The king of Mohawk MR T"

Three days ago Blondie was seen with a SEVERE LIMP WHILE HANGING AROUND A CARCASS HIS BROTHER Mohawk provided. The rangers at WildEarth (Djuma) found him. HE DID NOT LOOK GOOD; he couldn’t walk without extreme effort. I’m concerned for him. It was his rear left paw.

@smedleybutler8787

4 жыл бұрын

Was he with the golden eye male?

@mamavswild

4 жыл бұрын

Erik Pederson He was with Mohawk. No one’s seen him for 3 days. I mean, he couldn’t put ANY weight on his rear leg, not even a little. Very concerning

@charm8170

4 жыл бұрын

Dang it!.. Those boys have had more problems with injured legs and paws. Let's hope he pulls thru once again.. Mohawk providing him with food is a good sign, the good protein and rest will help. I'd assume they checked his leg for snares, arrows or car accident & treat if so.. . I've read with so few people on the reserves right now, poaching is rampant, sick azzholes!

Avocado 🥑 males

9 nkuhuma cubs. Probably at the time of this video, there were still 10.

Pls notch male lions story

@ScarYT

4 жыл бұрын

Coming this week hopefully. That's the next project.

Love your videos, but please only the lions who passed away using black and white pictures.

Northern Avocas are not both proud ... Dark Mane stays with the Talamati and their 9 cubs who are older, Since August 2019 Dark Mane is not with his brothers. Nkuhuma Cubs, there are 9 currently. The Nkuhuma had 9 cubs but 1 was lost and 8 remained. At the end of the year the lioness Chela had 4 cubs, only 1 is alive. the other 3 dead

Not everybody knows that They have two brothers in Kruger the xikukusut alliance

Southern Avocas still have no names? They arrived in SS before their bros and there bros have names.

@ScarYT

4 жыл бұрын

Correct. They didn't name them.

@charm8170

4 жыл бұрын

Why do they chose not to name them?

@ochoaguillermo638

3 жыл бұрын

That is a good question. Didn’t they do that with the Selaties? Do you think is where the lions are in location or they just give names to the lions that were easier to name?

Dark mane is raising Talamati cubs and subs, no help from his brothers

Anytime i see a lion doci say to myself, they aint the Mapogos smh

And now are they 3... Blondie and Dark mane are dead.. :(

Make lions don’t raise cubs. FACT!!! They protect the pride. The females do all the raising and the teaching of how to hunt etc. In fact a lot of the time the make lions are marking their borders 💪🏻

@ChiefBarnesArt

3 жыл бұрын

Correct, to add on, the biggest threat to lion cubs are hyenas and other lions, (other males in particular). As you stated the males are always protecting/marking the boarders. That essential to cubs survival. That why the males are so important. Female are enough to protect the cubs from other threat that aren’t hyenas and other male lions.

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