Note: so I just found out about the controversy surrounding Ian Ousley's casting as Sokka and what seems to be conflicting reports over his heritage and him not being native (thanks to you!). Currently reading up on it, I was not aware of that at the time I recorded this video, apologies for the omission!

@natashambulo3510

4 ай бұрын

It's air nomads btw. Sorry I'm nitpicking

@WaltDevil060

4 ай бұрын

In my opinion, I don't think that this matters that much. Lying is definitely not a good thing, but asking only for actors who have inuit heritage is kind of a dumb move in my book

@k92ful

4 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter in the slightest if the writing is garbage. Which it is

@MobikSaysStuff

4 ай бұрын

@@WaltDevil060It's a dumb move, period. Who cares. He was a good Sokka. Honestly cast was fine, it needs better writing and directing.

@tadesubaru1383

4 ай бұрын

That's the strange race essentialist bullshit in casting I expected from USians tbh.

Katara's fierce personality is literally one of the reasons that they found Aang in the iceberg in the original lmao

@hgyuuuuhj098

4 ай бұрын

Western writers like to "Mulan"ise female characters

@username.exenotfound2943

4 ай бұрын

@@hgyuuuuhj098 then call you incel or any of those things when you call them out on it when you show them better examples of good female characters for example mizu in blue eye samurai

@nguyenhuyminh4945

4 ай бұрын

Which stems from her getting mad at sokka because he was being sexist, of which the show also "toned down"

@tripledigit4835

4 ай бұрын

@@nguyenhuyminh4945god forbid a main character having a negative trait which makes them more unlikeable but also more realistic and once they overcome that negative trait (if they overcome it) more relatable.

@thealbinotadpole2878

4 ай бұрын

They could've written that event to go about a dozen different ways just as well, so saying that Katara had to have her hot-headedness for the plot to work out is a weird and invalid argument. That said, without those traits her character feels kind of characterless.

it’s another classic case of “they obviously have a lot of love for the original, but i don’t think they know WHY they loved it”

@missAlice1990

4 ай бұрын

And here we have the comment which f*cking nails it.

@peterz395

4 ай бұрын

Everyone can love a show for a reason, there is no wrong reason. Get lost. Honestly the whole atla fandom goes on my nerves and can fk off.

@Mercuie

4 ай бұрын

I'm very curious what the creative differences were that made the original guys leave. Because a lot of the vibe feels like executive interference. Looking at metrics and forcing that on the show. "How can we make a cool trailer that will make our subscriber numbers go up?! I want my 10 million dollar bonus to be 20 million this year!!"

@piotrkowalski3869

4 ай бұрын

Or they wanted the show to be a little more mature. Original was aimed at kids, so they couldn't go hard on some things. It was a lot more lighthearted. Cause kids were watching it. Netflix ATLA makes every decision feel heavier, it's a bit grittier. It tries not to be a simple retelling of the cartoon with out straying too far from its source. Thats how an adaptation should be. If you want the same thing what stops you from rewatching the cartoon again. Wouldn't it get boring fast if everything was the same like it was in the cartoon. Honestly if you know where things were going you would drop it fast, but a little change here and there makes it fresh.

@sanuthweerasinghe7825

4 ай бұрын

RWBY moment. (They also were very clearly inspired by Avatar the Last Airbender but didn't know why Avatar the Last Airbender worked so well).

I HATED how they portrayed Azula. I think the actress was fine but immediately showing her insecurities was a terrible move. You really only see her break twice in the original show: once on the beach for like five seconds and again in the final episode. What makes her breakdown at the end so tragic is that she’s been so evil the entire series that you have no empathy for her. Then you are reminded that she’s just a kid who has lost her mind. Showing her as an insecure teenager from the start is kinda bizarre.

@sourcandy6469

3 ай бұрын

Ikr? I loved how strong and scary Azula seemed even though she was so young and when she imagined her mother in the last couple episodes my heart broke for her. Her character was so well written she was kind of the opposite of Katara, both missing their mothers but one turning out compassionate and empathetic and the other cold and sadistic. I would’ve loved to see how they made the exact same show with real actors and then the comics to tell us more about her character but Hollywood disappointed us yet again.

@sevyluv333

3 ай бұрын

To me, the way they portrayed Azula screamed “this is something we are pulling in from the post cartoon world”. It pops up in other places, such as the inclusion of the mother of faces (koh episode) and Kuruk talking about evil spirits (northern water tribe episode).

@etienne8110

3 ай бұрын

Idk. There are more times. Like her first bending training in book2. Like when she tells her father she doesn t want to be treated like zuko. Or when she mentions not being able to trust the people closest to her in book2. Clearly, you only catch those on a second watch when you know what to look for.

@annewithnoe

2 ай бұрын

yeah also, shes portrayed as calm and collected even when shes losing her temper so as a kid you DO think shes cool regardless of whether you like her or not, so when she breaks she BREAKS

@chriscrowe11

2 ай бұрын

Her biggest strength for 90% of the series is that we see her entirely from Zuko's POV. Shes the perfect daughter, the more calculating strategist, the more ruthless fighter, the more talented bender, and the more deserving heir. That visage only begins to crack AFTER Zuko begins to become more disillusioned from his family's empire (like you said: the beach episode). From that point on he sees her as an obstacle, not a rival. And in the finale, once the visage is fully shattered, we see her for what she truly is: a neglected and damaged teenage girl who had the potential to be a Person if their family wasn't so utterly fucked up. Shes a phenomenal character and great narrative foil to Zuko

What drives me crazy about Zuko fighting back in the Agni-Kai is that being able to even think of landing a hit on Ozai at thirteen would make him an Azula or better level prodigy. Part of his character is how incredibly hard he's had to work to get the skills he has, how he doesn't measure up in Ozai's, Azula's, or his own eyes. I don't even know what they're going to do with the scene where he's screaming at the sky to strike him with lightning so he can learn to redirect it, because the universe has never held back before.

@almondmilk1939

4 ай бұрын

Not to mention in the original Zuko refused to fight his own father, not only because he was afraid, but also because he loved him and didn't want to fight him

@ApequH

4 ай бұрын

@@almondmilk1939 And was to shocked to act as well, he felt hurt

@jayxiong204

4 ай бұрын

No asian kid would ever dare fight back or raise their hands to their parents. He wouldve gotten whooped 10x harder for that.

@wile123456

4 ай бұрын

It's also canon that his bending was behind development wise, and it's not a random thing that iroh teaches about the basic set in the first episode.

@alialkuwari8385

4 ай бұрын

I actually liked that change, im actually glad they made a good change cause usually remakes just tell the same story which is boring and makes a remake completely useless. I think it made him seem like he still has his mothers sympathy even when placed in such a situation. It makes him more human and i think slightly more realistic.

I hate how the show's writers went on and on about removing Sokka's sexism arc, only to end up taking away Katara's rage to make her submissive and docile, not allowing Azula to be fully a villain, having June think Iroh is sexy instead of annoyed by his advances, and then changing Suki and Yue to be just soooo obsessed with Sokka from the INSTANT they see him because he's just so sexy of a man, I guess. That, combined with cutting Sokka dressing in the Kyoshi warrior uniform, has led to what you could argue is a MORE sexist product than the original.

@SererityisanEcho

4 ай бұрын

B-but don't you see, the original show was clearly dated! We should bow to our Netflix overlords for deeming us worthy of FIXING the original cartoon we loved!

@SummerTokyoNeko

4 ай бұрын

Ooooh I hate it when they made Suki and Yue horny for no reason 😭

@cylontoaster7660

4 ай бұрын

Removing the Sokka sexism subplot on Kiyoshi makes sense for this show, since they devote time to the sexism subplot at the Northern Water Tribe towards the end of the season. Touching on that specific plot point multiple times during such a short season would have felt odd.

@darkdestiny9106

4 ай бұрын

@@cylontoaster7660 I kinda agree here, he has a new unique arc of trying to realise he doesn't have to be the warrior his tribe expects him to be - and that he's a better engineer anyway... but that also kinda takes away from Katara, who was told to keep her waterbending a secret, which led to her mother's death, but she is getting over it and realising her true potential as a bender, and also as Aang's waterbending master.

@flameron1

4 ай бұрын

@@cylontoaster7660um no, because those are 2 completely different stories one is integral to a character and one is integral to a culture and its traditions. It also reduces the actual character interaction between him and Katara, why he was so insecure and leads to his own inadequacies he feels as the lone male of his tribe left behind by all the warriors.

This feels like another case of an adaptation being embarrassed of adapting a cartoon and going "we can make it better" and by better they mean "gritty and realistic and mature" all the while completely missing the point of why the original is beloved.

@chasehedges6775

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. It’s why I hate the Disney remakes so much

@blondymonk1535

4 ай бұрын

and the irony is that the OG show is more mature in the end.

@sodapopp4367

4 ай бұрын

Except the live action wasn't gritty, realistic, or mature. That was actually one of my complaints. The cartoon had dark moments, but some things were censored because it was a kids show on cable TV. I wish the live action would have expanded and showed the reality of some of the darker elements of the cartoon. We got a glimpse of it when the air nomads died and in the final episode, but I wanted more. It would have made the show hit way harder imo. Instead it felt hollow and like they cut a lot of corners. I do think it's possible to make a GREAT live action show, but they missed the mark.

@lawjef

4 ай бұрын

It is almost like Hollywood does not understand the first thing about adapting a fiction novel, or a video game, or a manga, or ….

@chasehedges6775

4 ай бұрын

@@blondymonk1535 💯💯

Zuko fighting back against Ozai is such a huge blow to his character and the changes he goes through WHAT THE FUCK 😭 LIKE DID WE NOT WATCH THE SHOW? HIM GOING FROM WORSHIPPING HIS FATHER TO FIGHTING HIM????? HELLO???? Fuck his arc in that regard, I guess.

@TheDaniela3112

4 ай бұрын

In the original show he respected and loved his father so much he literally kneeled before him and refused to fight out of respect and fear to hurt him. He put himself in harm's way rather than lift a hand to attack his own father. That's how pure and good Zuko was at the time. Him fighting back takes away from the demonstration of his innocent and caring nature

@anjalik1136

3 ай бұрын

That was the worst change imo

@etienne8110

3 ай бұрын

And wouldn t say worshipping. Rather fearing him. He is terrified by his father. He knows his father almost killed him and is unclear if his father killed his mother... But wtv, he shouldn t fight back, that just doesn t fit their relationship, nor his growth arc.

@plutopepsi578

14 күн бұрын

It makes me so mad bc him refusing to fight his father shows us who he is at his core. It gives us something to compare post-banishment zuko to and shows that as he goes through his character arc this is ALWAYS who he’s been.

azula’s actress is just way too cute. like she’s absolutely adorable and she looks kind. the show should’ve leaned into it. have her look like this sweet pretty princess who slowly becomes more and more unsettling as you realize her sadistic nature. it could be such an interesting change from the original but instead they made things worse by making her an insecure teen

@YourFaceisPretty

3 ай бұрын

The idea of portraying Azula as an insecure teen is terrifying in its own way. *shudders* Why do they do this to us?

@valhatan3907

3 ай бұрын

​@@YourFaceisPrettyyeah, it's like seeing winter in July. Azula is not THAT 😂

@froshtea

2 ай бұрын

Same. When i first watched Azula's appearence i thought they were tryna make her like how she first met Zuko tricking him into the ship without telling them they were prisoners basically play innocent and soft only to reveal shes sadistic and a good liar. But i really hate they make her be insecure so early on. She was supposed to be the pride of Ozai even in the comics Ozai told Zuko he should be dead if not because of his mother and grandfather because how much Azula could accomplish albeit being the second born and a daughter.

@Iisho

11 күн бұрын

My mom really liked the Netflix show and didn't understand why I disliked it so much, Azula was the only thing we both agreed with lol

Funny how animation is still seen by many in the West as a form of kids entertainment, yet so many live-action remakes water down plots and characters and feel compelled to explain everything as if they're talking to a six-year-old.

@Zulkak1357

4 ай бұрын

Wow the irony

@deanthomas2961

4 ай бұрын

Could not have said it better myself. It almost feels like a joke, but this is a very disturbing trend in modern entertainment now.

@PR1ME98

4 ай бұрын

And thats somewhat why japanese anime is so popular in the west.

@enigmadrath1780

4 ай бұрын

@@PR1ME98Even our animated shows in the West handle their story lines and topics maturely. It's just that the prevailing sentiment stubbornly remains that animated = kiddie entertainment, and the only way to "legitimize" animated series is to make live-action adaptations, only for them to botch it by dumbing everything down. While I'm not a huge fan of the One Piece live-action adaptation, I'm still VERY impressed with how they handled such a behemoth of a story. They had to condense and even leave out a lot, but it still stands on its own without gutting the original story.

@SheLovesUnited

4 ай бұрын

@@enigmadrath1780❤ Mo

The Bumi thing is weird. He is supposed to be so important to Aang that he names his first child after him.

@barbara_LL

4 ай бұрын

omg I hadn't even thought about that part 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

@knightingirl

4 ай бұрын

For real, though. If someone treats me that way, no matter how they may be right, I don't think I'll name my child after them.

@bakedpotato1717

4 ай бұрын

They have no intention on making a connection between atla and lok, so they don’t care 😢

@PowerWinsTop

4 ай бұрын

Bumi's games were supposed to be.. light-hearted fun. He wanted to test Aang, but what we, the audience, didn't realize, is that the stakes were incredibly low. Netflix's version kind of ruins all of this by having Aang recognize Bumi off the bat? (which makes zero sense bc he's aged 100 years) Aang only realized it was Bumi because he realized that was the only possible person who he could be expected to remember the name of. Also that Bumi liked to play pranks on him. The fact that Bumi made this so hostile & was genuinely angry at Aang for disappearing (makes zero sense anyways because he didn't know Aang was the avatar when they were kids), just ruins the character...

@knightingirl

4 ай бұрын

@@PowerWinsTop Very good point about Bumi not knowing Aang was the avatar.

They basically made all the heroes of the show Mary Sue characters. Katara doesnt get jealous of Aang's waterbending (he doesnt even) or acts out expressively. Sokka isnt humbled nor has his mind expanded with his world view of what it means to be a warrior, Aang doesnt have his denial and pretense phase to overcome. I don't understand how they thought a "new generation " would become attached to and invested in these characters.

@oneoranota

4 ай бұрын

This show is too violent for kids anyway. The very first scene shows humans being burned alive. Not that any kid would watch this when the better anime version already exist.

@johanaforever965

4 ай бұрын

@@oneoranotaHum have you seen the scene in the Lion King when we see Mufasa freaking dying ? Or the death of Bambi’s mom ? That was dark af but that is still for kids

@unknownperson8527

2 ай бұрын

​@@oneoranota u crazy lmao. Avatar as a series is very open to violence, war, and death except gore. That's it

@elfireii328

2 ай бұрын

she doesnt look mean enough to be azula

@plutopepsi578

14 күн бұрын

@@johanaforever965dude they literally burn several ppl alive on screen in this show and also it’s really different when it’s animated

One thing that bothered me so much on the live action was that every location that they went to seemed to be really close to the next. It didn't feel like they were in a looooong journey that took days or weeks to get to one place to another. stripping the live action of those moments in between checkpoints where the gaang just hung out, bonded, bantered while flying on appa's back or sleeping at camps contributed to the series feeling rushed af, like they were just teleporting from one location to the next just like that.

The biggest issue with the series so far is that the writers are afraid to give the main characters any flaws. Aang isn't irresponsible or afraid of hurting people, Katara isn't bossy or jealous, Saka isnt sexist or dismissive of things he thinks are stupid, Zuko despite being a bad guy doesnt really do bad things unless its for a good reason. Its like the writers were too afraid that people would dislike the main characters unless they made them 100% good people. And the biggest problem with that is that it dehumanizes them, and gives the characters NOWHERE to grow as people. If this show goes for all 3 seasons, then Aang, Katara, Saka, and Zuko, will be the exact same characters they were in episode 1.

@reginaphalange9417

4 ай бұрын

same problem with many recent shows unfortunately, it's both insulting for the audience, and a sign of laziness or incompetence from the writers

@haveagoodday2847

4 ай бұрын

they made aang put sokka n Katara's life at risk without telling them or caring about them twice so aang actually seems like a horrible person in this

@shoyupacket5572

4 ай бұрын

same problem with rings of power, and new star wars. just terrible soul-less shit writing all around.

@3twelve206

4 ай бұрын

This is so well said. You’ve articulated my thoughts exactly. Totally agree with you. I hate this about the show and it’s become a Hollywood trope. I’m not sure why they keep doing this.

@selsja8586

4 ай бұрын

and its like not even a kids show?? theres litterally people being burned alive but they are too scared to show some sexist jokes.

I hated that they portrayed Katara as this submissive girl, especially in regards to Sokka, when in the original show, she was outspoken, and didn't let anyone stop her from getting what she wanted. Have the show runners ever actually watched the animated series? 🤦🏽‍♀️

@chasehedges6775

4 ай бұрын

Have the show runners actually watched the original series? Answer: No!

@javierlopez9789

4 ай бұрын

They also turned her into the average boring girl boss character by having her teach herself everything and "be her own master" as if that makes any sense. She also sent a bunch of healers to the front line to be massacred by the fire nation.

@Momocham23

4 ай бұрын

which is really funny because they actually said katara’s mother role in the show was sexist and made these changes

@OGslick

4 ай бұрын

She was a waterbender but had that FIRE in her. It was so disappointing to see it snuffed out as soon as the first episode.

@b.l7491

4 ай бұрын

The show runners may not have, but at least the actors seem to

not only did Aang run away (rather than just go to clear his head), the night he ran away WASN'T the night he found out he was the avatar. the pressure put on him for it makes him miserable ofc, but he actually runs away the night he finds out he's going to be separated from Gyatso (the only person sympathetic to him still being a child, and also basically his father figure) in order to focus _even more_ on learning how to be the avatar. i'm glad it sounds like they added more Gyatso bonding to make up for it, i guess? but the original was meant to be relatable to kids who feel overwhelmed by a huge change in their life that the adults around them made, like moving far away or parental divorce. and it also REALLY solidifies that Aang was just a kid who didn't know what else to _do_ , as opposed to maturely going to "clear his head". have you ever in your LIFE met a 12 year old who could emotionally regulate well enough to do that?

@bumbabees

Ай бұрын

i dont know why they felt the need to change his character so much, as if they were afraid he would be unlikeable. aangs sympathetic factor comes from him being a very young child whos had this INSANE amount of responsibility suddenly thrust upon him when he wasnt ready. really, thats the case for all the main cast. the oldest is 16 and the youngest are 12. anybody with half a mind would understand anything stupid they do is because theyre children on the frontlines of a damn war.

Every character was so juxtaposed well in the original between their ability and their personality: Azula: a raging firebender who is in control of her fire Aang: a pacifist airbender who HAS to fight because he’s the avatar Katara: a go with the flow waterbender except she’s hotheaded and has to control everything. Sokka: a frontline warrior who has a natural affinity for engineering and strategy Toph: a grounded earthbender who wants to be free and travel the world. But in this show everyone basically acts how you THINK someone with their ability would act.

@silveryfeather208

Ай бұрын

yup! i noticed that too

@matijademsar2983

6 күн бұрын

Wtf like this is the best comment this is so good, its true!

Netflix: We want this to be our Game of Thrones. *Has Sokka and Katara enter the tunnel of love together*

@Hermi0Taurus

4 ай бұрын

I joked with my older sibling whether that scene was MEANT to be read that way because that change was the weirdest, among the others. No longer the Cave of the Two Lovers, I GUESS.

@MajorOctofuss

4 ай бұрын

@@Hermi0Taurusit is its just the Alabama edition

@piotrkowalski3869

4 ай бұрын

Nickolodeon allowed it so what's your point?

@apotatowithglasses820

4 ай бұрын

at least they didnt go actual alabama

@vaishnav_mallya

4 ай бұрын

Sweet Home South Pole

what i hate most about this show is that they turned an anti-genocide, anti-war show, into a "i need to get strong asf so i can win the war" show

@esther7976

4 ай бұрын

!!

@KyleWoodlock

4 ай бұрын

I was NOT a fan of this adaptation, but... That's what the original was too, at first! It was always "Aang needs to master all 4 elements in time to defeat Ozai before the comet comes back" and most of the complexity in that premise came in the later seasons.

@tishe5269

4 ай бұрын

@@KyleWoodlock the OG is quite literally anti-genocide. the new one starts with a scene that makes genocide look cool

@zeplin2253

4 ай бұрын

@@tishe5269i think you’re reading into the attack on the air temple wrong its not meant to make it look cool its more of the executives wanting a action scene where the fire benders can actually win and show how “brutal” the war was over that 100 years ago

@tishe5269

4 ай бұрын

@@zeplin2253 literally read what the writers and cast say about those scenes in interviews lol

that scene when Sokka says that 'I always forget how powerful that kid is', while looking at Aang standing before the fucking VOLCANO he defeated. Is one of my favorite scenes in the show. I still cant believe its just a throwaway line here, like its still so amazing to watch until today, and im pretty sure it made katara waterbend without her hands too.

@kaveeshaginodh8792

4 ай бұрын

That scene made me tear up and feel proud for my boy. I love that scene and I hate this adaptation for removing that.

In regards to the casting, I was one of the people who initially complained about the actors not looking right and it's not because they're not "hot enough", but because Zuko and Azula's actors just straight up don't look like villains. They both have these round, sweet baby faces that make them instantly friend-shaped. There's kids out there with angular features, who could look menacing in those costumes and these two just aren't among them. It's like if you cast the guy who plays Iroh as Ozai. He doesn't look like Ozai, he looks like Iroh.

@dontemcl

4 ай бұрын

Great points! I agree with you.

@chrono4998

4 ай бұрын

they worked for me because Azula reminded me of the north korean dictators kid.

@shevankaseneviratne1724

4 ай бұрын

@@chrono4998 who is probs over fed living on luxury. Azula isnt just a princess shes the number 2 strongest fire bender. 3rd if iroh actually bothered

@Piccadally

3 ай бұрын

yeah I get what you mean! I personally thought that the actor who played Jet, even though he was of course a perfect fit for him, could have also done a great job as Zuko.

@valhatan3907

3 ай бұрын

Exactly 💯

“I can’t think of a single reason why I would recommend this to someone over the original” may be the most damning thing you can say about a remake.

@LittleHobbit13

4 ай бұрын

Related, I find the older I get, the less rabidly outraged I get about bad adaptations because I've realized and accepted "I'll still always have the brilliant original. I don't have to watch this trash remake. I can just watch the original." _(And that is also why I still buy things I truly love on disc, so no streaming site can tell me what version I'm allowed to have.)_

@etienne8110

4 ай бұрын

Tbf i could say the same for the lord of the ring movies vs the book. The only thing going for yhe movies is that "you can watch them even if you re illiterate"... Which is not the best of points... Adaptations are rarely better than the original medium. But here, i agree that the show is so far worse than the original, that it id just better to watch the original.

@kaiseayaandruis1597

4 ай бұрын

@@etienne8110the lotr movies at least the the gorgeous visuals and the incredible soundtrack, which makes them worth seeing even when you read the books

@SirQuantization

4 ай бұрын

I wouldn't recommend LOTR over the original books yet they are still worthwhile. How is this, quote, "The most damning thing" lmaoooo this comment section is filled with clowns who type first think later.

@Azhureus

4 ай бұрын

You are so wrong, I love the animated TV Show and I really enjoyed this TV Show too. Yall just bunch of kids crying over anything nowaydays.

Every adaptation is like a game of telephone at this point

@faiyaz9768

4 ай бұрын

Yuh and I’m sick of them all cause their just so bad ( Percy Jackson, this,) their all watered down why can’t these big companies just make new movies with new plots

@ashlisarang5381

4 ай бұрын

That’s the best way to explain these remakes I have ever heard

@stephaniewozny3852

4 ай бұрын

MAKE SOMETHING NEW! That way you have no one to answer to.

@Unbridled-Whimsy

4 ай бұрын

We need new content, these live action remakes have allll been garbage!

@lospecchiojp

4 ай бұрын

That’s actually what an adaptation is. The show was fine.

The ONLY thing I will add to this, that I believe is missing, is that the new show is missing the wisdom... It seems to be missing the lessons that were taught as we progressed through the story.

What they did to Katara is so funny to me. They really tried avoiding the sexism from the animated series by making the live-action series even more sexist.

The moment you stripped down most of the characters' complexities, take away Aang running away from his duties/his sense of fun, one-dimensionalize most of the female characters, take away a lot of Sokka's good actual clever moments and just TELL us that he's smart without showing it, strip out most of the friendship moments between the main three while once again only TELLING us that they're family, AND don't even have Aang learning waterbending this season, you're screwing up on a writing perspective

@clownrat5759

4 ай бұрын

@@1607Adi_Manzshould invest in leaving the avatar franchise the F ALONE! Korra was let down, this adaptation was let down, the NEWER new series is probably going to be let down. They will never, and I mean *never* capture the lightning in a bottle that was ATLA *ever* again. Trying to do it repeatedly is only embarrassing themselves ngl

@Deity_devil

4 ай бұрын

@@clownrat5759reminds me of what Star Wars fans think of the other Star wars trilogies

@theimpersonator7086

4 ай бұрын

It feels like Sokka and Katara were specifically written so that audience members wouldnt try to call them unlikeable on social media, which is very lame honestly. Characters having flaws, especially if they are teenagers lmao, is not the same thing as the show endorsing those flaws. It just helps gives character depth and layers, much like real people.

@clownrat5759

4 ай бұрын

@@Deity_devil im not a Star wars fan, but a Star Trek guy, so I couldn’t really compare the movies with avatar, sadly. Thankfully, maybe im just SEVERELY huffing that copium, but Star Trek did pretty decently with its movies and spinoffs. The animated show? ehhh. forgettable at best.

@Defalt_477

4 ай бұрын

Dislinking korra series while praising aang series kinda reminds me of those mindless star wars fans, who believes nothing will ever top the original trilogy. You can like both.

Katara in the original: “ I will never ever turn my back on people who need me” Katara in the Netflix Live Action: “you can’t help everyone.”

@jonathanjohnson6727

4 ай бұрын

And to add she was all about learning her waterbending heritage/lineage. So in turn one would believe she cares for her people. Yet, in this she literally just goes 'they'll be fine' when Sokka states the Southern Water Tribe or 'Wolf Cove' needs their leadership before immediately taking off.

@piotrkowalski3869

4 ай бұрын

One doesn't exclude another.

@gaf407

4 ай бұрын

@@piotrkowalski3869 true, but in the context of the episode, it is out of character. If anything, staying to help the village should have been her idea, not Aang’s… Sokka is the one who should have said “we can’t help everyone”.

@pt5728

4 ай бұрын

Katara in the original: a brown skinned girl, just like rest of her people. Katara in the movie: A light skinned girl that looks nothing like the original. Katara in the Netflix series: A light skinned girl that looks nothing like the original but is ok because she isn’t white.

@dex4463

4 ай бұрын

This video makes way too many assumptions. Avatars is not even close to being considered one of the best TV series of all time. It's not even in the top 100. Give me a break...

My main problem was actually about the costumes, they don’t look used at all, they always look perfect, no dirt or wrinkles. I feel like they missed that…

@mr.iiconic

4 ай бұрын

Good point.

@etienne8110

3 ай бұрын

Honestly, i can overlook that. The writing issues are way more problematic. At least the costumes look well for all nations, so you can tell there was some thought given to it. The writing can t boast that much...

@ing.l5573

3 ай бұрын

@@etienne8110 I just can’t watch it without it looking staged, but I get your point

Respectfully, I fully disagree on the fright scenes. What made the original so impactful is the fact that each style of bending had a specific style of martial arts assigned to it which best represented it . The movement were so distinct that you could tell the type of bender even without the clothing colour. Such a brilliant idea too. In this adaptation, however, the fight scenes are just that, fight scenes. Sure the effects look cool, and the action sequences were mostly nicely directed, but the same kind of action can be seen in blockbuster movies. It’s like they missed the entire point of having fight scenes for character development and important story beat, and instead made it to be like “Oh look, cool fight, you like cool looking fights, right?”.

For me it was how Katara and Sokka’s fights were about how “childish” Katara was acting, while in the original show the issue was she wasn’t childish enough and was acting too much like his mother…

@maliaareneee

4 ай бұрын

And the og creators leaving super early on made me lose a whole lot of excitement for how the show would go.

@abiade9614

4 ай бұрын

Yeah this. Katara feeling like the older sibling despite not being one was so so important I think. It doesn’t even have to be a photo copy of the og just an integral part of their relationship and also they’re respective flaws. Now it hasn’t been established 😕

@VMF-rj8qo

4 ай бұрын

I can't see this Katara reminding Toph of her mother.

@r3dr4te963

4 ай бұрын

@@abiade9614 aye, I always forgot Sokka is the older brother.

@abiade9614

4 ай бұрын

@@r3dr4te963 then the show did it’s job 💀

This katara would never take the waterbending scroll from the pirates

@billybob7135

4 ай бұрын

But would she take it from the high-risk traders?

@cP-fn6jj

4 ай бұрын

its sad cus the actor (kiawentiio) is so much more like katara 😭

@alfiona7951

4 ай бұрын

That one scene where she nearly KILLED a soldier in cold blood. I'm pretty sure they'll remove that entire storyline cuz Katara was terrifying in that episode. Even Zuko was scared.

@Ameersuhail

4 ай бұрын

She didn't. They changed it to make it her grandma's secret water-bending scroll -_-

@Kabbyart

4 ай бұрын

Yes! The dialogue and writing messed with EVERY character

My problem with Azula is that she doesn't look menacing or threatening at all. Animated Azula had that scary look in her eye and a sharp jawline. Live action Azula is...adorable? It's not the actress's fault but it just makes it harder to take Azula seriously.

zuko refusing to fight ozai is a v telling moment for his character, it tells us he is someone who intrinsically values the lives of others - that the fire nation's violence isn't innate. & ommitting it is definitely a disservice to his characterization. but it also cuts out important context abt fire nation society itself. i feel like its SO telling that ozai's rage isn't really abt zuko challenging his military strategy - is distinctly abt zuko's refusal to fight. it really fleshes out the fire nation's preoccupation with honor, that this is a society where it's MORE inhonorable, MORE socially taboo, to surrender - than to literally set your son's face on FIRE. we learn so much about their culture & the way it punishes even those living at the top of it. so sad not to see that, especially when dallas liu IS great a bringing zuko to life generally.

removing kataras entire personality to water her down (pun not intended lol) to this docile submissive little sister was the thing that annoyed me the most about the live action. when you water down katara - remove her compassion, her ability to connect with others, her nurturing role, her ANGER and RAGE and DRIVE - you water down the very fundamentals of the story. you drastically and severely alter the core dynamics of the gaang, because katara was so important to the development of every single one of them. she was the rock and glue that held team avatar together. the thing with katara is that she WAS angry at the fire nation, for her mother, being the only waterbender left etc. it was her anger that freed aang. her anger was her strength and removing this core piece of her personality was such bad writing on Netflix’s part.

@abiade9614

4 ай бұрын

This. She played a part in so many other characters’ development it’s crazy how she was barely present for her own development. 😭

@miriam8376

4 ай бұрын

One of the things that made Katara so iconic is her anger-girls are very rarely allowed to be really angry in media (or real life, honestly). They don’t get to yell the way Katara does in the cartoon. And they never get to yell about sexism like Katara does in the very first episode, which I noticed was stripped out of the live action entirely. God forbid we risk alienating the sexists in the audience by having a girl acknowledge it exists 🙄

@anonisnoone6125

4 ай бұрын

U can't have a female characters nowadays that's motherly and nurturing.

@LuisSierra42

4 ай бұрын

@@abiade9614 And now they retroactively ruined Toph as well

@abiade9614

4 ай бұрын

@@LuisSierra42 that’s what I was thinking. Thank you for pointing it out. How the heck is she supposed to learn people looking out for her doesn’t mean they’re trying to force her to be something she’s not?? 😔

We are living in an age where writers don’t trust audiences to understand nuanced content and media literacy is at an all time low. I had a MASSIVE problem with how they portrayed Zuko and Ozai’s Agni Kai in the live action. By making Zuko fight back the scene lost all of its emotional potency and killed off why that scene was so integral to Zuko’s story. Zuko tearfully pleading for mercy and his refusal to fight was why Ozai burnt him. Ozai DESPISES weakness. It’s one of the reasons why he always hated Zuko. Unlike his cruel and selfish father, Zuko and Iroh showed compassion. Something which was devoid in the fire nation royal family. Zuko refusing to fight reinforces to Ozai that Zuko will never live up to be the heir he wants. It’s why he grooms Azula to act as cold and cruel as he. So having Zuko fight back his father and also having Ozai seem all too reluctant to burn Zuko just tells me that these are different characters.

@thylionheart

4 ай бұрын

The irony is that to me, the scene where Ozai goes to Zuko’s bedside showed that *Ozai* had “weakness,” too-even the fact that he went to his bedside showed far more compassion than OG Ozai ever would have shown. OG Ozai burned his pleading, prostrate 13 year old son’s face and then banished him for showing dishonor. LA Ozai actually exchanged blows when Zuko fought back and then had the audacity to actually look _sad_ when burning Zuko’s face?? He didn’t look sadistic, he didn’t look angry, he looked emotional and upset. They literally softened Ozai in the LA and had him preach about weakness. Make it make sense.

@sheyri9

4 ай бұрын

LA Ozai is not the type of person who would tell Zuko he's lucky to be born.

@EllieCarina

4 ай бұрын

It’s not the writers though in most cases. It’s studio execs/producers who don’t trust the audience and force the writers to write everything out.

@ajidle6483

4 ай бұрын

@@thylionheart I feel like this could be good if they showed the process of Ozais psychosis through a backstory. For example they could show him on the battlefield and him witnessing a friend fall in the battlefield after showing mercy and compassion. I feel like ozai being evil just to be evil makes sense in the animation but this being live action I feel like you have to have a really good reason to fight a merciless war for a 100 years. Then again in the live action their playing the manipulation of his kids card hard so he might just be an evil guy and his actions during and after Zuko live action fight might be outliers.

@niyaakbar1098

4 ай бұрын

Having Zuko fight Ozai back didn’t necessarily take away how impactful that scene should be. Not better than the original but it’s not bad. If I’m not mistaken, he still pleaded with Ozai not to fight because he respected his father too much but Ozai didn’t give him an option really. It still reinforces Fire nation culture/ozai’s oarenting, respect comes from power and show no mercy/weakness. Either way, Ozai is still testing Zuko. Zuko doesn’t fight back? Weak and now you’re burned! Zuko fights back but isn’t ruthless? Weak and now you’re burned. Ozai is always testing his kids

The fact that Aang didn't even attempt to bend water, changes to Bumi and only being 8 episodes were serious disappointments and would never recommend this adaptation to anyone.

My biggest issue with this show was how much time the 3 of them spent apart. I kept asking my husband like why do they keep saying they're like family they've spent like 5 minutes together and the keep getting separated for no reason. It was sooo frustrating

I seriously hate what they did with Azula. Live action Azula is not... Azula. No cold razor sharp sarcasm, no brilliant manipulation and calculation. Azula never wore her emotions on her sleeve, she was always in control. Zuko's flashbacks have shown that it has always been that way. "Almost isn't good enough" but they couldn't even remotely capture what made Azula so fascinating and interesting. Seeing live action Azula scream and rage feels so wrong, just so out of character. So disappointing. EDIT: why do people feel the need to bodyshame a teenager yuck. It's okay to not like the casting, and I see the point that athletic superhuman teenage agents should be muscular and well built but bodyshaming a young actress is not helping anyone.

@marseille1196

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. It so frustrating how they completely misunderstood her character and proceeded to botch her entirely. That as well as the actor looking nowhere near as menacing as Azula did.

@margarethmichelina5146

4 ай бұрын

Also, noticed how Azula and her friends are uh.... well fed on this Live Action? It looks like bad cosplay when I see them on first time.

@tashaglam4824

4 ай бұрын

Azula flat out disobeying Ozai is insane because despite always being in control of every situation and having people submit to her will, the ONLY authority Azula will ever recognize is Ozai. She would NEVER defy or speak out against him.

@ChinaDragonGirl

4 ай бұрын

@@tashaglam4824yes, that was an essential character trait that defined her throughout the whole serie and is one of the reason for her mental breakdown. I don't know how they can fix this with this already out of character Azula. It's just so disappointing...

@Orangecatenergy

4 ай бұрын

@@margarethmichelina5146they just have chubby cheeks. The actresses are not fat or “well fed” I’m tired of people shaming these teen girls for having chubby cheeks. Literally google their names, images of them will show you they’re quite skinny…

So, Aang is traveling around with someone who literally has an instructional manual on how to waterbend, but he never once tries to learn. I guess he doesn't take his role of avatar that seriously.

@raquel_sza

4 ай бұрын

it’s okay, he Doesn’t Know What He’s Doing

@tiablue9106

4 ай бұрын

I like how some ppl were trying to defend this by saying Aang doesn’t know abt the comet to give him a ticking clock, but even the show has characters berate Aang saying he shoulda been waterbending before he got to the North Pole lol

@MalaikuZ

4 ай бұрын

Sooooo dumbbbb

@gunnersg2700

4 ай бұрын

Didn't watch the video but wasn't the point that Katara didn't consider herself a master yet, and the scroll was only basic forms that wouldn't make any sense to an airbender, and they wanted actual instruction from the North?

@tiablue9106

4 ай бұрын

@@gunnersg2700aang coulda started w/ the basics tho, no point in him waiting until he gets to the north pole to even attempt. if the basic forms won't make sense to an airbender then idk how master instruction would be any clearer (ig I'm assuming the bending mechanics are the same as in the original but still)

Seeing how much these writers want to make characters talk about their feelings all the time, the only ATLA character they should be allowed to write is The Boulder.

@TheDaniela3112

4 ай бұрын

lmfaooo this is genius

This has convinced me to watch the original asap.

@jei3970

4 ай бұрын

If u haven’t then PLEASE DO IT. Its a masterpiece

@jonginisholy

4 ай бұрын

@@jei3970 so I just spent the past week or so binging it and WOW!!! I am in love with everything about this show. I can totally understand why it's considered a masterpiece. I now eat, breathe and sleep Avatar like I'm a fan bitch, in fact consider me a fucking stalker with how obsessed I am. I am so excited to dive into the Legend of Korra next!♡♡

@KateCat420

3 ай бұрын

​@@jonginisholy Fair warning Legend of Korra is not nearly as good

@asad5986

2 ай бұрын

@@KateCat420 It's still very good overall. ATLA is like a 9.5/10 while Korra is 8/10 IMO.

@beenice1555

2 ай бұрын

I watched it this year and it was amazing. Genuinely a great show no matter how old you are

I disagree that Kyoshi yelling at Aang is a nitpick, it's such blatant mischaracterization of a beloved character. They changed her from a calm, level-headed and dignified presence into an asshole screaming at a child for something he didn't even do. It's like they based her on the "kyoshi is bloodthirsty" fandom memes rather than the actual character from the show. Past lives are supposed to guide their current incarnations not scold and guilt trip them. They literally had her yell "YOU NEED TO BE A MERCILESS WARRIOR" at Aang which was so puzzling. In what world is Kyoshi merciless? They made it seem like being a warrior is what's most important to her which is ridiculous. Kyoshi is someone who wouldn't hesitate to enact violence when necessary but she does not take pleasure in it, she is also gentle and compassionate and wouldn't treat one of her successors the way she does Aang in this show. I couldn't even enjoy how cool her action scene was because I was still recovering from how baffled I was at the way she's depicted. They made her come off as unnecessarily aggressive and unreasonable. For all that talk about "toning down" the sexism, it sure seems like they took the sexism out of Sokka's arc and put it in the writers room instead because the way these women are written is atrocious. This is apparent with Suki as well, she is literally ogling Sokka and is instantly interested in him for no apparent reason. Instead of Sokka learning to see women as equals from her, they had Suki reassure him that actually he's a super great warrior. Also the way they framed Suki beating Sokka in a fight (and him getting upset and storming off) was as if she did something wrong which was really weird. Sokka also grabs one of her fans out of her hand and saves her mid fight, which is crazy that the leader of the Kyoshi warriors needed rescuing from a far less experienced fighter. They also had her thank Sokka for "showing her the world" by....existing near her? Suki I am so sorry for what they did to you. Why are women just randomly throwing themselves at Sokka? A similar thing happened with Yue and she actually calls him the "boy of her dreams." The video already mentioned how they butchered Katara and Azula so I won't get into that but I will also say that Mai and Ty Lee could have been replaced with two pieces of cardboard and nothing would change. They added nothing to the show and there was no reason to introduce them this early. There definitely are some things I do like about this show, but it's very telling that none of those things have to do with any of the female characters. The writing for them was egregious.

@TheAnimeMangaClub2121

4 ай бұрын

With Mai and Ty Lee, it was actually pretty funny because I don’t even think they said their names 😂

@davismorgan99

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I liked this video but he kinda acted like only his criticism was warranted and if you disagreed with him then you’re an idiot. Every time we see Kyoshi in the original she is calm and collected. She never raises her voice and it completely stoic so seeing her yell and lose her tempter is a weird addition.

@piotrkowalski3869

4 ай бұрын

You took it out of context. She clearly stated there is proper time for both diplomacy and being a warrior and when it comes to be a warrior one has to be without mercy.

@ohood1788

4 ай бұрын

​@@piotrkowalski3869 She literally says "you asked me what it means to be the Avatar. It means being a warrior. A mighty, merciless warrior." I know she listed a bunch of roles the Avatar plays earlier but that becomes obsolete when she states this as the meaning of being the Avatar. Her hostility throughout this entire interaction doesn't help either. Frankly, this sounds like something inexperienced, book 1 Korra would say before her character development not Kyoshi who's been the Avatar for 200+ years. Regardless, being a "warrior who is without mercy" is not what Kyoshi is about. If they wanted a merciless Avatar then Yangchen is right there. Kyoshi's major advice to Aang is "only justice will bring peace" not "only ruthlessness will bring peace." And that's Kyoshi's thing. Justice. The scene in the show doesn't convey that. The live action Kyoshi is just not the same as the original Kyoshi, not in mindset and especially not in personality and demeanor.

@hype5471

4 ай бұрын

I absolutely agree, everytime kiyoshi has shown up, she is always calm, collected. She always goes straight to the point and does not shy away from the fact that she has been ruthless when she had to be. Every appearance, she just exudes authority, her screaming just waters her down. Like, considering her backstory and her EXTENSIVE life, her having a outburst like that directed at a child seems just stupid. Also kinda funny how they removed the plot about sokka's sexist views which had to be humbled out of him but then added the part about Suki falling for him instantly, without any reason which feels kinda sexist, or cliche at the very least.

What’s a nitpick that isn’t really a nitpick because it’s actually quite significant is Azula’s hair. I don’t see anyone talking about this but I hated that they show her with her hair down. Azula’s hair, just like Zuko’s hair is heavily connected to their character and where they are as a character in the story. Azula’s hair represents her perfectionism. From the very first scene they properly introduce her, they showcase this. And slowly as her mental state declines, so is her hair. They completely ignore this by having her hair down from the very first season.

@elizabethashley42

4 ай бұрын

This. I get so angry when live action remakes disregard the artistic decisions made in the animated version that tell us something about the character without words. The Disney remakes are notorious for this and I hate that it's so common.

@ApequH

4 ай бұрын

YYYEEESSS!!

@blackche1580

4 ай бұрын

And she isnt fat

@cookiestrong8757

4 ай бұрын

@@blackche1580 I wouldn’t say the actress who plays Azula in the live action is fat. But she definitely isn’t as slim as Azula is. Her face is a little square / rounder which makes her look a little cuter than she is menacing. Same with Mai. I personally would have liked if they casted someone who looks a little more like Azula and Mai. But if they already decided on the actresses, I would have at least liked them to be written well.

@QuestionsIAskMyself

4 ай бұрын

@@cookiestrong8757they are literally children though. Why is everyone constantly bringing up their chubby cheeks? They look like kids, because they are

I love that Ang's whole purpose of season 1 was to go to the north and learn how to waterbend. Not once in the whole series did he water bend.

My main issue is that the original has this theme of "injustice". These children have gone through so much pain and strife and now they have to save the world? It isn't fair. And they hammer in how unfair it is with every awful thing that happens. Changing aang to this kid who's dedicated to stopping the war changes that subtext. Having Katara and Sokkas mother fight back for even a moment, before being struck down, changes the subtext of her believing she would be taken prisoner and instead being outright murdered by an evil man. Taking away a truly angering moment where we see how merciless the fire nation is. Having Zukko fight back against his father, you guess it, changes the subtext. Just having him land a hit on Ozai diminishes the emotional impact of a 13 year old on the floor begging his dad for forgiveness before he's struck down. They somehow managed to erase all the emotional maturity that the Nickelodeon cartoon spelled out for them 0:15

Azula is a product of Nature+Nurture. If she hadn't been born into the Royal family, she'd have just been a walking red flag but not as demented! She was a sociopath born to Ozai and her mother's fear of her made her even more crazy. hence never understanding why Ty Lee was happy in the Circus . Azula was Ozai's weapon because she doesn't hesitate . Changing azula makes no sense. Azula doesnt cry. Azula only started to cry when her mind was breaking .

@mangosorbet

4 ай бұрын

thank you, it took me out of the essay so much, belittling some peoples concerns of casting the Azula actress to 'cause you want her to be "SeXy" was such a blow to the orginal intent of her character

@VTWS

4 ай бұрын

They made her another Zuko, she is kinda supposed to be the new villain after Zuko, contrasting with Zuko because she has no feelings. But they made BOTH pushovers in the series

@VTWS

4 ай бұрын

@@mangosorbet Some pervs were probably angry about that specifically tho. Yet to be fair, making the character less conventionally attractive DOES hurt her character because she's supposed to be the kid who's perfect at everything, in contrast to Zuko who is literally disfigured. If you're writing a high school drama you don't make the threatening villain bully girl chubby, that will make it obvious she has insecurities given how the world works.

@seg162

4 ай бұрын

@@mangosorbet His dismissal of the idea that the actor for June should have been cast for Azula because the actor's 40 while the character is 14 was also weak-- of all the issues that people had with the Last Airbender movie, _none_ were the fact that the teenagers were being played by adults. His excoriation of the "pervs" was a bit less weak, but still lacking. If it's truly as he represents it, then the problem is that they aren't engaging with reality so they can recognize that they're now talking about _real child actors_ in their real appearances-- not that they're "weird". That kind of remark to that kind of issue isn't something that's thought out, it's something that's rehearsed.

@cameronmason4452

4 ай бұрын

@@seg162 Yes, people were mad that the Avatar movie characters were adults. Sorry to burst your bubble

My theory, is that every adaptation, Shyamalan, Netflix, and even Ember Island, all adapt Katara as presented in the opening narration. That's their only frame of reference for Katara's character. She gives a monotonous speech about how doomed everything is and how we need to remain hopeful because the avatar will save the world. That speech isn't enough to encapsulate all of Katara's character. But it's the first thing you hear in the show and Katara reads it, so people think that it's all Katara is.

@chheinrich8486

4 ай бұрын

😂😂 interesting theory but fits SOO well

@mikemorro140

4 ай бұрын

that speech is Katara, it's just that's one facet of her, they take out everything else

@misanthropicservitorofmars2116

4 ай бұрын

@@mikemorro140yep, it’s literally the fire nation propaganda version of katara

@kermitgotthesickkicks4265

4 ай бұрын

This fits

@F.A.S.D

4 ай бұрын

Ohh myyy goddd it make perfect sense lmao🤣🤣 these writers probably only watch the pilot episode of ATLA then said "yep I get the character now, let's get right to writennnngggg"

I’m tired of everyone saying it’s okay. If the acting is bad, the writing is bad, and the characterization is bad, then it’s bad. Few good moments don’t make up for the fundamental missteps

@mr.iiconic

4 ай бұрын

Luckily people's opinions are theirs to have.

@davemac9563

4 ай бұрын

@@mr.iiconic yeah even if they’re crap

@mr.iiconic

4 ай бұрын

@@davemac9563 that's the best part.

@bumbabees

Ай бұрын

i get a bit tired of people settling for mediocrity. thats why we keep getting shit like this. not everything HAS to be the creation of adam to be worth something, but i feel like peoples standards for media are just in absolute hell right now. the amount of people ive seen say "well its better than the movie" is ridiculous, because that doesnt matter. bare minimum storytelling shouldnt be celebrated so boisterously like its monumental. good frosting is pointless when the cake itself is inedible.

@randomguy6679

19 күн бұрын

@@davemac9563Just because it isn’t your opinion, doesn’t mean it’s crap. The sooner you get over this pretentious mindset, the better.

You forgot the lack of Aang penguin sledding

The exposition dump after Aang finds out Zuko is the blue spirit was one of the most frustrating scenes in the adaption.. as you said, in the original this conversation was carried by subtext and realness. Aang asking Zuko if they could have been friends in a peaceful world is so hard to watch. They saved each others life in this night but for Zuko it's to early in his journey to do another thing than throw a fire attack at Aang in rage. After both of them get 'home' to their friends or crew/family they both just go to sleep in sadness. You feel that something important is going on and maybe something can change. This is the real magic of the scene... Not 5 minutes of: I tell you why I'm here

@tiablue9106

4 ай бұрын

I agree, the more I think abt that scene, the less I like it. it's too bad bc I rlly did like it at first just bc based on what iroh had said I think it made sense for aang to try and get thru to zuko, and I liked how he tried to do it by talking abt the notebook. but I agree they made zuko a bit too open w/ aang. I appreciate he still tried to attack aang while injured but idk it needed a rewrite

@timmyman9677

2 ай бұрын

Seeing that one clip of them talking together killed any remaining desire I had to watch it

I've seen people be like, 'you guys, you keep criticizing this show, but you should be happy it isn't anywhere *near* as bad as the movie was'. And my response is - just because we *could* be getting food poisoning, doesn't mean we can't criticize the dish for being under seasoned.

@acsound

4 ай бұрын

Better than...something the internet claims was written/directed by M. Night Shyamalan and released in 2010(**) ISN'T a high bar to clear -- b/c that bar is on the *ground*, ** There is no 2010 THE LAST AIRBENDER movie in Ba Sing Se...

@ZenArkayne

4 ай бұрын

It seems like the conversation about the show consists of "it's okay" and then some people need that conversation to keep going after that. Like this review video was an hour long -- not because there was an hour of things to say, but because content creation needed to happen.

@alter9933

4 ай бұрын

@@ZenArkayne And who the f*ck made you an expert on content creation?

@scarletkittyeyes

4 ай бұрын

yo this is legit an amazing analogy. my eyes didn't bleed but my heart sure broke with how dirty they did Katara

@stagelinedpro

4 ай бұрын

It not being as bad as the movie is very low bar to clear.

I really only think people are saying this show is mid is because it's better than the movie. If the movie didn't exist I think people would be much more harsh towards this show.

You’re actually telling me you “DIDN’T CARE THAT MUCH” about them literally destroying any semblance of motivation Zuko has to be pissed at his dad later on?! Also you thought the scene with Kyoshi was SICK?!?! Aang just basically handed the controller to his big sister to beat the bad guys for him. Aang only gets possessed once by Roku and it’s because he visited him at just the right time AND Roku doesn’t even actually take out any bad guys he just destroys the island so Aang and his friends have a window to escape. Bad takes man I’m sorry

@pande1461

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, the scene with Kyoshi was really goofy. A grown woman yells at a child that he isn't protecting his friends (ma'am, he DOESN'T KNOW that the island is under attack, and YOU are keeping him there in the spirit world!), and then tosses around some soldiers for the Cool Factor. Absolutely meaningless.

@shevankaseneviratne1724

4 ай бұрын

Finally someone says it

I wish they made Katara a good character, if only there was a blueprint to follow.

@KariIzumi1

4 ай бұрын

if only.... :(

@abiade9614

4 ай бұрын

😭💀

@melhiott7977

4 ай бұрын

good one haha

I was incredibly suspicious abut Bryan and Michael leaving for "creative differences" given how accurate the casting and costume/set designs looked. Like, I see a lot of things going right, so what's going _so wrong_ that they felt the need to leave? As we started to see more and more articles about how they were making what they claimed were "small minor changes" to elements that were actually HUGELY important foundations to various world lore and character development arcs, it became increasingly clear they were _still_ missing the point about what made the original series so truly exceptional.

@cameronmason4452

4 ай бұрын

missing the point about what makes "Stories" incredible. Apparently just fight scenes and explosions with the generic "warrior who needs to become the best" main characters

@BratzRockAngels

4 ай бұрын

Before the show even came out, when it was shared that Bryan and Michael left the show because Netflix kept messing with things, it was clear the show was not going to be good. It's interesting cause I still think the best shows on the entirety of Netflix are the animated ones. (Arcane, Bojack Horseman, Castlevania).

@ErosDiabolico

4 ай бұрын

Honestly, kudos to them for leaving. More writers should do this when the executive producers want to fuck things up. Too bad that's not always a viable option for the writers.

@madduxnagel6935

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it should've been obvious from the get-go that this show was going to turn out like this just based on them leaving. But people wanted to have hope...

@mr.iiconic

4 ай бұрын

​@@madduxnagel6935well ultimately they are not avatar. They're amazing and important but they get too much credit in my opinion. Many if not most of the more iconic episodes weren't even written by them. Where's the love for Andrew Huebner, who gave us the masterpiece that is the tale of Iroh? Katie Mattila, who wrote the Beach? Elizabeth Welch, who is responsible for an amazing piece of art like Zuko Alone? So for me, I just don't put Bryan and Mike on a pedestal so much that I think Avatar lives and dies on it. Avatar isn't just them, it's hundreds of animators, writers, people's with ideas. So I thought it's possible this could have been great. The worship of them as though they're responsible for everything great about Avatar strikes me as sad. It wasn't, but I don't regret keeping hope when Mike and Bryan left. Avatar was never great because of them. It was a team effort.

It feels like they stripped the show of most of the mystery and heart that kept us intrigued originally. They also miss Aangs motivation. The main reason for him going to the south pole before the iceberg was to go sledding on otter penguins. They went to Kyoshi Island to ride giant koi. He was trying to get all his fun in before he's forced to grow up prematurely and face the responsibilities. Additionally, the reason why the characters are so beloved is because they were allowed to grow and develop. Also, Aang and Appa are eternally bonded and really close. Appa is not a pet . How did Katara know how to get Appa to fly. In the live action, can anyone just jump on and take off? Where is the yip yip? The things that built the bond and chemistry of the gaang are lacking. I fully understand that some things would have to be taken out for live action. However, some are essential to endear the audience to the characters. I agree they did nail the visuals 100% and the action sequences chefs kiss. 👨‍🍳 It's the writing that is the issue for me, I suppose. The acting is pretty good. Watching the live action makes me want to turn it off and start the original again for the thousandth time.

I think, taking people’s opinion on the casting, and saying it’s just a bunch of horny weirdos, is demeaning and feels like you just want the people to shut up.. There can be problems casting wise, and it’s not wise to say ppl want to bed a character if they have a problem with the casting choices… kind of dissapointed by that take, it takes a lot of what you say down, because if you really trust what you say that’s just demeaning and hateful towards passionate peoples Edit: i don’t specifically have any problems with the casting, the most problems i had visually with the characters where the costumes and makeup (mostly zuko’s scar and how they made Azula look in general) but i still think that it’s too harsh and extreme to put everyone who haves a problem with the casting as the ‘’horny weirdos’’

One thing that really bothers me about how they wrote Aang is that his role with alot of the other characters is flipped. In the original show, he was taught lessons from the people he interacted with. In the adaptation, it feels like he needs to save everyone he meets and teach all the moral lessons himself. It takes away from his development as a character imo.

@selenarodgers5667

4 ай бұрын

Facts, plus I dislike how the trio barely has any chemistry. It feels like the chemistry is forced between the three.

@sauraaruas5021

4 ай бұрын

Hmm not sure that was really my issue, i believe that in the original show Aang also had his fair share of teaching and inspiring others. Maybe not even with words, but by his joyful hopeful and friendly character that showed people there was this kind of purity in the world, almost like an embodiment of peace? Does anyone else feel like that character aspect was really lacking btw? Like this Aang felt way less likeable cause he was busier being upset about being the avatar than the trade of just wanting to be happy and help others.

@selenarodgers5667

4 ай бұрын

@@sauraaruas5021 Yes, I agree with you on that as well. They made Aang in the live action feel more serious & less fun because they wanted the live action show to feel more like Game of Thrones & Lord of Rings. Which I don’t understand since the animated show balance it well, with child like naivety and serious moments as well. I think the main problem with the live action Avatar is that they’re lacking that child like features (lacking the child spirit of it). This Aang doesn’t really have that because they want it to be so serious, which is going to ruin his character. Aang isn’t just serious all the time, he’s a child who has fun exploring the world while helping others along the way. I dislike how they did his character & Katara’s as well ☝️😤

@Ameersuhail

4 ай бұрын

@@selenarodgers5667 I know, and I thought that as well until I saw their Press Tour promoting the show...and it proves that the production and writing are to blame for that, because irl, all of them have great chemistry and actually a lot in common with their characters. The director is trying too hard to turn it into a Game of Thrones knock-off and it's biting them in the ass, because this is the wrong property to do that.

@selenarodgers5667

4 ай бұрын

@@Ameersuhail Exactly

the biggest issue i had with this show was the fact that aang never learns waterbending, thats the main point of the show, for aang to master all elements, and yet he spends no time learning any waterbending, or any other elements.

@SennaHawx

4 ай бұрын

Hell...That's what the three seasons are named after

@lucariomew365

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Like what are we even doing then?

@ironmaster6496

4 ай бұрын

Didn't the whole trip started exactly because of that reason? Like.... isn't that THE FREAKING PLOT???

@rouged3392

4 ай бұрын

Cant believe they skipped s1 water bending lessons by katara. It even showed more of her characterization by aang learning quicker. I don't remember which episode but it's in season 1

@lucariomew365

4 ай бұрын

@@rouged3392 He starts learning from season 1 episode 9 in the original series. And he was a naturally gifted genius. By the time they got to the North Pole Katara and Aang were already decent water benders before training with Master Paku, but not quite at the master level. Aang also didn't have a problem passing on what he was learning from Paku to Katara, behind Paku's back, unlike the live action where he left her high and dry.

The biggest thing that I disliked about this show is that they mixed into way too many stories from 2nd and 3rd seasons. At first, I thought probably it’s gonna be limited series so they tried to fit in as much as possible. But when they announced seasons 2 and 3 upcoming I was like what they’re gonna show there? Stories from season 1?? It really didn’t make sense. And they added toooo many characters from future seasons it gets confusing. I definitely agree that this adaptation was more for people who didn’t watch the original series.

When I saw Azula in the remake I almost wanted to ruffle her hair and hug her. Same with Mei. In the original show Azula is pure NIGHTMARE FUEL !!! And Mei makes shiver. Tai Li was fine justice though

A huge component of what made Azula and Zuko so great in the original was that Ozai’s abuse made them bad people. They were easy to hate, and sympathizing with them required understanding that who they were *was not their fault,* that they were CHILDREN who were molded into monsters. NATLA turns them into perfect victims. They no longer require any empathy or compassion from the audience, and that’s truly vile.

@abiade9614

4 ай бұрын

No this is such a good point I love this. The og show definitely WILLED you to empathise with them but it wasn’t forced at all. It’s was so sincere with both their respective arcs and allowing it to unfold naturally. In this series, sm of it felt in your face. Like they were obviously trying to do what you just mentioned - show Ozai shaped them this way. But it was so explicit and not subtle it takes the fun out of discovering these characters again (for example Ozai manipulating Azula by pitting her against Zuko in one of their first scenes together). The fact that he smirked to himself as she walked away made me laugh I’m sorry. 💀

@tsuki3752

4 ай бұрын

this makes a lot of sense. the whole point of the show is CHOOSING to trust, forgive, and overlook differences for the prospects of hope and peace. not only do we see the characters grow and choose to forgive zuko and the fire nation, as well as feel bad for characters like azula, but we also see zuko’s struggles with earning back forgiveness. redemption is an interesting ideal, and zuko recognizes that what he did was HIS fault and no one else’s, even if he was being coerced by his father, he still must take responsibility for it and he must right the wrongs he made. it makes it even better for when he could’ve chose a life of quiet in ba sing se, but instead he chooses his old ways again, which makes him a “bad” person. it just takes away a lot of the choices the characters will make down the road, and the emotional complexity of each character.

@nomex9829

4 ай бұрын

That's not true for Azula. She was a monster from the start. She said it herself in S03 "The Beach"; what she did to Zuko was as bad as what Ozai did.

@Asas_mic.

4 ай бұрын

Please rewatch 49:00 you need it if you think azula should be sympathized. She was evil and good at it .she was a perfectionist and you thinking she should be sympathized because it's her father's fault shows that 1. You act like you understand her character but you don't AT ALL 2. You never watched the original series and your viewpoint is from Twitter

@abiade9614

4 ай бұрын

@@tsuki3752 I rlly enjoyed reading this. ❤️

the one thing i couldnt stop noticing was how often they used slow mo during the fight scenes. 😭

@jttw2374

4 ай бұрын

M night shyamalan flashbacks

@sowercookie

4 ай бұрын

For me it was the shaky cam! Like what is this the office???

@thecod2345

4 ай бұрын

They’d definitely be so much better if they stopped cutting every second and a half. It’s great choreography marred by awful editing.

@ukchanak

4 ай бұрын

Cutting that often usually means the choreography had holes in it @@thecod2345

@nightlock7702

4 ай бұрын

I couldn't stop noticing how many curs they have during the fight scenes

This Katara isn’t saving anyone by being assertive in the desert arc 💀😂

I hate when shows make kids spew out exposition and people expect gold-tier acting..... THEY HAVE NOTHING TO WORK WITH

I truly don’t understand how this many people can fail to do the thing that the cartoon did so well, which is to never condescend the audience - especially children. I’ve never felt so infantilized as I did watching this adaptation.

@LoweMartin-ew7ee

4 ай бұрын

Honestly just waiting on book two for them to look at the backlash and fans...it has potential let's agree 😭

@zerohz

4 ай бұрын

@@LoweMartin-ew7eebut whats the point of making a live action remake?

@TonyMontanaDS

4 ай бұрын

Gen Z is your answer. Entitlement, narcissism and complete lack of talent.

@joeyh9859

4 ай бұрын

@@zerohz Because of the success of adaptions like the transformers and scooby doo. Not to mentions the wests inclination to paint any animation as something for children only.

@zerohz

4 ай бұрын

@@joeyh9859 atleast they were original stories that just happened to be in live action and not a remake

One thing that bothered me was how they tried to make some characters overpowered, like Katara self teaching and being great from the jump, when it was a point made in the og that even if she had a lot of talent and potential she still needed help and to work towards being great, she was even jealous of Aang learning faster than her. And also Zuko and that fight scene with his father where he actually fights and they make it seem like he could've won at that young age when it's a integral part of the character that he was not the prodigy that he wanted to be and that his sister always was, also, he was desperate for his father's approval and was terrified of him so he would've never even try to lift a finger against him

@thetaomega7816

4 ай бұрын

Also, I dont fear the Firelord anymore. He seems weak and not like the undefeatable god of fire. Aang easily defeats Zuko, so why would he ever struggle with the Firelord?

@tameriz1280

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! Original Katara already was a prodigy of all prodigies, she became a master in month of training! All she needed was a solid base on upon which she could build her water bending skill, as soon as she got that her progress literally skyrocketed. Her problem was that she was the last and only water bender in the whole south pole, she literally had no one to help her with basics, but that's it. Honestly, she is probably the most talented bender in the whole original cartoon judging by the short af amount of time it got for her to become such a master. They didn't need to make her even stronger. Instead of focusing on her complexity as a person they just turned her into bland girl boss #999. And the fight between Zuko and Ozai was just atrocious.

@WolfiDemon

4 ай бұрын

This. And also the fact her Grandmother had the Waterbending scroll ALL ALONG so writers could save screen time (and waste it over another kind of useless addition) about the pirates. Which was the WORST choice ever. Because of this, we don't see Katara being jealous over Aang (because it's wrong to be jealous), we don't see Aang having his first steps at waterbending (instead they splash e/o because hey, school is boring have fun instead!), we don't see Katara's burning desire to learn more that she even goes to the extreme of stealing the scroll (a protagonist stealing?? How horrendous!!) to learn by herself. And, maybe I'm wrong, but we didn't get to see Jeong Jeong either, and subsequently Aang's trauma over firebending and his own immaturity about burning the stakes (hah) and hurting Katara in the process. Because of course, to show immaturity is "wrong", just don't show it. I'm tired to see these shows writers thinking that not showing a flaw erases it from existence. If there's a flaw, it must be on a bad character, because it's BAD. Heck, imagine having a kid's cartoon showing more subtilty and cleverness in the writing than a large budget live action series....

not the show literally only having eight episodes and they've already gutted zuko's character arc.

Azula should've been a litteral version of Cercei Lannister.

What Netflix did to Bumi should be a Master Class in how to assassinate a character.

@SaraHandlez888

4 ай бұрын

This is my biggest issue with the show. Aang literally named his child after him. Out of everyone to change, it shouldn’t have been him

@AngryCapivara

4 ай бұрын

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

@cameronmason4452

4 ай бұрын

I think that change was ok tbh

@ZakonWith

4 ай бұрын

xD!@@cameronmason4452

@lightningjadejavier

4 ай бұрын

Imo it was a good change, like they're obviously going in a more realistic approach, and why one piece succeeded in the live action where as this version kinda didn't (tbh imo this adaptation of atla was good) succeeded is that one piece the first season HAD an actual good start for the live action, that's why it was actually good because the first 40 episodes of the 1000 episodes were somewhat chill and easy to adapt to a higher budget and even cooler looks, same with death note, buuut they somehow failed that, where as for atla not only is it made mostly for kids, they leaked too much stupid knowledge that ruined the experience, like if you think about it, early one piece and early atla we're simple, yet the adaptation never said "it was gonna be darker" or some bs like that and instead let the screen show you, which is why i think that tweet "this adaptations gonna be more like got" was completely unnecessary and imo ruined the show even more, now what does all of this has to do with bumi? Well imo just like big changes, one piece live action also had one which was garp yet it worked well, because they weren't tweeting more and more sht tweets, which is why i think bumi is just fine specially the fact that he's character is what it really would be if they took a "got" or realistic approach to this show.

The way they handled Katara was honestly heartbreaking. They omitted the connection with Paku and gran gran which was bad but we never saw her struggle with water bending. We never see Aang water bending so we never see her be jealous of him being a natural at it. She struggles a bit at the beginning but then she is instantly a natural. She is called a master EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS NEVER A PUPIL. It pissed me off so much.

@NHarts3

4 ай бұрын

Yeah they did katara dirty 😢 Master Samwise did a great video on how they butchered her character and all of her scenes

@haveagoodday2847

4 ай бұрын

omg same and when the writers made her fight the master of the water tribe and apparently it was a tie when they never even showed her progression and it had been so little time n he was a MASTER like years of training.But she was also just asking him to teach her which didn't make sense if she was as good as him and she never even learnt anything before the battle so how was she supposedly that good

@malathikrishna9253

4 ай бұрын

@@NHarts3 I saw this! Felt so vindicated.

@JayceCH.

4 ай бұрын

Feels like they wrote every character in a way where it tries to make the female stand up to the patriarchy.

It feels like the creators just read fanfiction and researched the memes.

@bumbabees

Ай бұрын

which is funny because ive read quite a lot of fan fiction that nails the vibes and world building far better. and thats a bunch of random people on AO3 doing it for free.

I felt something was off about Ozai and you’re right: We see him too often. And I would add that he has too much emotion visible in his mimik and eyes. In the cartoon version his eyes are *empty*, Ozai is just … Ozai, the firelord, the villain. Even when he is screaming at Zuko or expressing emotion in his mimik, the cartoon version still does not radiate any emotion to me, just coldness. Evil. Nothing more.

My theory about expository dialogue in modern shows: They’re made for passive/casual watching. They’re betting on people just put this in the background and not giving the show their full attention. The bad, unnatural dialogue allows viewers to check in at any moment to follow along. If you’re actually sitting down to watch every minute, it’s repetitive and boring.

@StarryEyed0590

4 ай бұрын

It's a vicious cycle, because these clunky, repetitive shows then make viewers not want to give them their full attention.

@shawerful5209

4 ай бұрын

Its like when i was watching the two towers when i was doing chores, and i thought that the movie was boring, but after sitting for true and watch it, it made me realise how beautiful everything is

@YukaAkemi

4 ай бұрын

i was trying to watch it with my full attention and then eventually it became background noise while doing other things :/

@anfiasco

4 ай бұрын

whats crazy too is how much money they put into a show without actually wanting to create something worth watching

@nightmareTomek

4 ай бұрын

Nah, I think they're just failures as writers. We had enough woke writers getting all mad that people didn't show up in theaters. Why would the Netflix ones be any different.

The moment I saw them fly Appa without saying “Yip Yip” made me know the show was gonna be some bs

@tiablue9106

4 ай бұрын

what's also annoying is they say "yip yip" in a later ep w/o having introduced that's the phrase for getting appa to fly (or speed up). I get it's a small thing but they should've either left it out entirely or at least partially kept in that whole thing from the beginning for new viewers

@JohnSmith-bw6pv

4 ай бұрын

You and the guy who made this video will never get laid :|

@NuniPikachu

4 ай бұрын

literally this

@Brandon-bc1fz

4 ай бұрын

When they get to the Cave of two lovers and Aang doesn't get lost with Katara is when i completely lost all interest in the show. She gets lost with her brother instead? Why?

@nightmareTomek

4 ай бұрын

The moment I saw the casting I knew it's gonna be crap. A friend sent me the trailer and after seeing it I immediately responded with "avatar the last genderer"... Well, it wasn't gender but race, but point is the same. They raceswapped just about everyone compared to normal Hollywood films, this made it very clear they were just following another polical agenda instead of focusing on making the story good. Not trying to be racist here, just this 180 looked very suspicious, that's all. It's also not only like noone is American, noone except Sokka is thin either. Anyway, I don't think any of the cast did a particularly good job. To me it seems they lack energy, but that could simply have been the writing.

God, they murdered Bumi. It makes me just as angry. It's unbelievable what they did to him. And Azula is such an incredible villain, I can't believe they wouldn't commit to that arc

in my opinion, one of the worst things they butchered about katara was the fact that she's incredibly commited to the bit. i dont even mean that in a joking sense-yeah, she doesnt START most of the schticks, but if her friends start something, she finishes it. its one of my favorite things about her character, and it felt very empty without it.

In the great words of the robot devil: “You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel. That makes me feel angry!”

@pheonixblue01

4 ай бұрын

The time he swapped hands with Fry was great.

_"There is less banter and interaction between the core cast...but that's arbitrary..."_ No, I think that's also fundamental. We are supposed to be watching their journey together as friends, learning and growing. If they don't interact enough, why are they even together? Why change something so fundamental?

@LilacKoi

4 ай бұрын

oooooh if they take out Toph and Katara fighting in the later seasons fans are gonna riot

@bluespiral4678

4 ай бұрын

The chemistry between Aang, Sokka, and Katara is so lacking, and it really feels forced at times. It's very hard to watch this show without seeing them become actual friends and companions on their journey. Idk if it's even worth finishing all 8 episodes. Why watch this subpar product when I can just watch the original in all its glory and levity?

@StocktonMotherFer

4 ай бұрын

Because you don’t have over 60 episodes to tell the story that’s why 😂

@beardedbear9901

4 ай бұрын

@@StocktonMotherFer So, it shouldn't be made. If you're arguing the format of Netflix itself stifles creative, compelling storytelling, why even try to make anything of worth?

@StocktonMotherFer

4 ай бұрын

@@beardedbear9901 it was entertaining and there are millions of people who enjoyed it . Because you’re hating on it doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t have that experience . You’re gatekeeping .

Aang loved Bumi so much he named a kid after him.

Also! The entire reason Azula has an inflated ego and loyalty to her father is because he held her on a pedestal all her life, ONVIOUSLY favoring her over Zuko! If you take away this action from her dad, you take away her inflated ego and sense of superiority, which drives all of her interactions with people.

The change to the zuko ozai agni kai not only makes it less impactful since he's no longer on his knees begging while disfigured, but it makes ozai seem like a non threat with zuko almost getting a winning blow in. same with how much they show him in the season, he's just a guy. He's not a looming powerful presence

@nathangale7702

4 ай бұрын

Even if Zuko lands that hit, he’s not going to beat Ozai. I think Ozai gave him the opening just to see if Zuko could be as ruthless as him and was disappointed.

@antoine6760

4 ай бұрын

Zuko wasn't already disfigured (in the original) while begging, but he was about to be, the scene ends as he's getting burned

@tultrapfighter

4 ай бұрын

@@antoine6760 i believe they meant the disfiguring was happening as he was on his knees, not that he was disfigured already.

@Ninja_Tude

4 ай бұрын

Agreed, he loves and respects his father and doesn't want to fight him no matter what pleading the entire time. And ozai ruthlessly Burns him anyway. But for me what's even more haunting about that scene is when we cut to Azula and iroh and their reactions while ozai and Zuko are shadows and you just have Dante's scream fading out... The fact that you see iroh, the only one in the family to see war looking away in pain, Azula smiling,and the shadows of Zuko and Ozai closing with that scream just hits so deep in a matter of moments

@Ramsey276one

4 ай бұрын

BRILLIANT

I really feel like they mashed together all the recognizable moments but didnt understand why those moments were important and well known in the first place

@terrawrites1900

4 ай бұрын

If I remember right from interviews, I'm pretty sure this is exactly what they did. In the warning that they took away Katara's submission and Sokka's misogyny, they said because of pacing they had to cut a lot of stuff and so they picked what scenes were their favorite and made sure they were in there, so it literally is a mash of all the best moments with no impact because it's just moment after moment.

@ahsoka_tano_98

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it's such a mess, I've just finished watching episode five, where they threw in a lot of unconnected spirit stuff, Wan Shi Tong without a library, Koh having nothing to do with emotions and working with the fog of lost souls, which is not his thing and not even an ATLA thing, Gyatso living in the spirit world after death like Iroh, which is, again, a Legend of Korra thing, what were they thinking, it doesn't work!!

Zuko fighting ozai in the Agni Kai bothers me for a lot of reasons. A large part is bc it totally messes w zukos arc but also this is one of ozais cruelest moments in the original. We don’t actually see him do much himself, we see bad things happen on his orders but it’s very rarely him doing it. But then this man sees his 13 year old kneeling and begging for his forgiveness and refusing to fight him and decides to BURN HIS FACE. I think the thing that makes him such a formidable villain is all his interactions with azula and zuko.

While watching this with my sister, she kept saying, "This just makes me want to watch the original." Also, in that scene when Katara was trying to talk Aang out of the water-spirit-thing, my sister said, "Man, I don't like how she keeps licking her lips every few seconds..." Now I can't unsee it.

I think my biggest overarching concern is just that they didn't trust their audience. They didn't trust their audience to pick up subtext in the world and writing; they didn't trust their audience to have the patience to wait for answers (thus eroding much of the tension); they didn't trust their audience to be willing to engage with characters even when they were unlikable; they didn't trust their audience to put together basic plot elements from showing instead of telling; they didn't trust the adult part of their audience to enjoy the charm of children's media. They spoke down to the viewer the whole time for fear of not making the show accessible to the widest possible audience (in an attempt to gain the biggest hit possible), and the result was a show that was so broadly targeted that it didn't hit bulls-eye for anyone.

@abiade9614

4 ай бұрын

You ate with that last line… 😔

@ripsett6638

4 ай бұрын

Exactly my feeling. This the second Netflix adaptation in a row (first being All the Light we Cannot See) that has been washed in exposition and bubble wrapped.

@isbammoi3358

4 ай бұрын

Very well said

@KariIzumi1

4 ай бұрын

You're absolutely correct on this but given how much time I spend on Twitter and seeing media literacy going down the toilet & people shitting on characters that don't fit into neat black and white boxes of morality, that's partly on us as a society too.

@SererityisanEcho

4 ай бұрын

I feel like that applies to most modern movies. They think the audience is dumb, and don't trust us enough to understand their work.

I actually truly despise the fact that they changed Zuko and Ozai’s Agni Kai, and I think it actually reveals far more about the mindset behind this adaptation than people may have realised. I remember in the lead up to the release date, one of the showrunners said in an interview that we’ll get to see things that weren’t shown in the cartoon, and along with the genocide of the air nomads, he also mentioned Zuko and Ozai’s Agni Kai. Now this really confused me when I first heard this because, well, we DO see the Agni Kai, it just cuts away when Ozai burns Zuko’s face. This interview, paired with the fact that in this adaptation Zuko actually fights Ozai, very much reads to me that either the NATLA showrunners somehow, through some bizarre leap of logic, thought that there was a fight that is just never shown or mentioned, or that they saw the fact that Zuko does not fight Ozai as some sort of failing of the cartoon. The fact that the showrunners also said that they wanted to appeal to Game of Thrones fans very much says to me that they may have thought that the cartoon didn’t have Zuko fight back because the OG showrunners couldn’t/didn’t want to show too much violence (which is insane if true, considering the amount of violence and dark themes that the cartoon does show and explore). In actuality, it is the fact that Zuko does not fight his father that makes the original Agni Kai far more horrifying, and far more violent.

@CreativRtist

4 ай бұрын

I would also like to jump in to say that I fervently believe that the only reason Ozai didn’t kill Zuko outright during that Agni Kai is because Zuko refused to fight, and killing an opponent that had already surrendered would have been a bad look, especially because it was his son. His reputation would also explain that bs line about learning respect, not only to tear Zuko down by making it his fault, but also giving an excuse for the violence to point at if anyone ever questioned him about it. The guy was a sociopath, but still pretty intelligent.

The original show felt like...as if we were at the concert while this show feels like we are watching a clips of a concert show on our phone

i think I'm the only one who didn't like how they included kyoshi rather than Roku; as his history is directly tied to the 100 yr war; so side-lining him in favour of kyoshi made no sense, as cool as a scene that it was, it felt like it was there just to be cool

A small writing blunder in the live action that I haven't seen anyone mention is all the references to regular animals. In the Avatar universe all the animals are fusions, such as the penguin otters, or Korra's polar bear-dog. Off the top of my head, Sokka says Momo probably tastes like chicken, and Bumi mentions that one of the foods being served is kangaroo. In the animated series the gang is flabbergasted when seeing a regular bear for the first time, which also happens to be so rare that it's the personal pet of a king.

@davismorgan99

4 ай бұрын

It’s a weird situation because in the original Aang mentions Kangaroo island

@aceambling7685

4 ай бұрын

Also, all of the Spirits are represented by IRL animals (or they were until Korra turned them into Ghibli knockoffs)

@draccqueen1770

4 ай бұрын

The original show was full of these inconsistencies, too.

@jessical4866

4 ай бұрын

Regular animals do exist in the world of ATLA, they’re just not common. Chickens, ducks, and yaks are all regular animals that are listed in the wiki.

@mr.iiconic

4 ай бұрын

I'm glad people called this comment out on its bullshit. The original made this mistake plenty of times too, that's why no on is talking about it.

Katara pisses me off the most, I'm convinced that every writer trying to adapt her has only seen the Ember Island Players episode of ATLA and just went "Oh yeah that's Katara!"

@niloticnya

4 ай бұрын

Even the play was written better

@theatricalityanddeception

4 ай бұрын

At least she actually had some personality and emotions in the play lol.

@juliamcalister8655

4 ай бұрын

Even the version of her they wrote to be 1 dimensional has more personality than the live action lol

When they announced about officially making this Live Action, I just _knew_ Katara's character was not going to be translated well in a real-life sense. And boy they did wash out all the interesting traits of hers that balances so well with how she's the "mother" of the group. You know parents love to remind us who's the child. Anyways, they are making her more of the "misunderstood, strong" female character, having Sokka play the parent role instead. But she still could've shown some defiance as a child. Don't know but from observation, they held a lot back with this version of her character.

Just finished watching the live action last night, and I think I agree with most points. However, when you consider how watered down the main trio’s relationship and characterization turned out to be, I can even appreciate the changes they’ve done to Zuko. Him being sympathetic from the get go and the emphasis they’ve put on his relationship with Uncle Iroh hard carries the show. For newcomers who didn’t watch the original show I’m sure Zuko will turn out to be a favorite, because honestly one might find themselves cheering for him more than the main trio.

No one saw what they did to SUKI ?? She spends all her chapter chasing Sokka and being embarrassed of him, doing weird stuff around him... It doesn't make any sense. Animated Suki is so much better bc she's the very definition of feminism. She shows Sokka how women can fight like men, being warrior and all that, also teaching him their ways instead of being a shy girl in love at first sight. That pissed me off the most ... (Just to clarify the actress is perfect for Suki, most of them are perfect, I believe she could nailed it with a better character writing). I hope writers improves her personality next season cause I feel they're waiting the actress full potential as Suki.

@jaydas8976

4 ай бұрын

They seriously butchered her in this live action show, I hated that one scene of Suki just standing there when Sokka is half-naked, there was seriously no point in adding that scene. It was just so weird.

@Orangecatenergy

4 ай бұрын

@@jaydas8976seriously, they reduced her to a naive girl that needed the first best man to come around and rescue her from her town and show her the world. And also is reduced to a tool to build up sokka. Remind me again why they took out sokkas sexism but managed to reduce the female leads to tools and tried to make them relatable by making them cook? Replaced sexism with misogyny ffs

@BratzRockAngels

4 ай бұрын

They took out Sokka's sexism because they wanted to be sexist to the female characters themselves.

@Diadem187

4 ай бұрын

Right?! In order to not make Sokka a sexist, they made Suki a sexist. Now, the only reason Suki falls for Sokka is Suki essentially going 'Ooh, a foreign boy!' That's just creepy and weird

@sannesini

4 ай бұрын

they made suki seem boy crazy i hate it sm 😭

Zuko being able to defeat Ozai doesn't make Ozai scarier, it makes him less scary, more cruel. If he can be beaten by a 13yo who sucks at firebending as much as Zuko did, what are we even supposed to be afraid of? There is now zero chance to build him up to this scary powerful bender that has to be defeated, preferably when he can't firebend as we didn't see any other option. Ozai in Netflix show is just this regular cruel dictator who is in power because he has his supporters, not because he's so powerful that nobody dares to question him. I wonder how they gonna fix this to make the final battle believable. But I guess I already know the answer to that. Characters change as the writers need them for the sake of the plot.

@Klokinator

4 ай бұрын

"Somehow, Ozai became invincible."

@vespernight4236

4 ай бұрын

Agreed, it does major damage to the foundation of the stories conflict. The entire reason Aang needed to learn how to bend all the element quickly is bc of how overwhelming powerful Ozai *already* was *before* Sozins comet gave him a boost. He was propped up as a borderline God king of the nation, so strong that NOBODY dares to question him bc as shown in his agni kai against Zuko, even being his own flesh and blood won't spare you from being humiliated and brutalized in front of a massive crowd, for barely stepping out of line. He is the embodiment of the 'might makes right' mentality. In the cartoon you understand why there aren't constant rebellions everywhere included in the fire nation (i know there are some but theyre often underground im talking full on 100s of thousands of peasants everywhere rising up), or why so many are loyal to him, bc he is the embodiment of their proganda and current warlike culture; might makes right. Again that's BEFORE Sozins comet factors into the equation. Not only is the vicious tyrant ruler of the fire nation going to get a massive power spike, his indoctrinated and well trained army is ALSO getting that boost. That's the whole REASON Aang is essential in the plot! He is literally the ONLY person on the planet that can match Ozais power on such a short timeline. So when you tell me this man could've lost to his 13 year old son??? Nah that fucks me right up! With the way he rules the fire nation every other super strong bender should've been smelling blood in the water and getting ready to jump. There is no way a man who exerts THAT much control over an empire through sheer hard power would lose to his barely teenaged son. It makes it feel like anybody could beat him then not just our Mc Aang

@derg6222

4 ай бұрын

yeah, mindboggling why one would change it in that way. doesn't make any sense.

@missAlice1990

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for that comment!

@luneluna307

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. And I could never imagine Ozai going to check on Zuko after the fight. His place is in the throne room people go to him not the other way round

I feel like the mane issue with this show in particular and some other adaptations is that the authors are to afraid to show the "ugly" personality traits of characters that we're supposed to end up liking. Katara being bossy and mean, like literally her having any trace of selfishness is something they cant handle. Aang being "irresponsible" (even though he's a kid and in certain scenarios it's completely natural) and running away has probably been changed for the same reason - they wanted him to be mature from the start which is ridiculous. Like, he is twelve. Same goes for Zuko. No flaws, no weaknesses and as a result we get characters that cannot improve, no conflict and no feeling of progress.

@mikael.wilhelm

4 ай бұрын

Yes, and the end result is the opposite - we find no reason to like the "sanitized" characters. What a waste.

Aang literally looks at the camera and exposition dumps before leaving on appa, especially compared to the zero words spoken in the cartoon when aang actually leaves the air temple

I think the problem with the actress who played Azula was not necessarily about her "not being hot enough", but that she had a very intense baby face. Azula is terrifying even if she is just standing there. Doing nothing. Sorry no hate to the actress, but you wont look at her and think "wow im scared"

@luxindreams

4 ай бұрын

That's exactly it. The actress is not even remotely menacing, I don't think she could ever even come close to being as scary as Azula.

@Busterbean907

4 ай бұрын

I had the exact same thought when they showed Ty Lee and Mai. All three of them just look way too soft to be playing characters that regularly display near-superhuman levels of acrobatics and athleticism.

@lightningjadejavier

4 ай бұрын

Oh definitely, like i made this comment once basically I said that azula was the alvida of this adaptation where in one piece adaptation alvida looked way more beautiful than the anime, same with this one, the actress for azula did a pretty good job of you don't think about her face, like the way she talks and acts is very menacing, but it's just that her face ISN'T as menacing as azula in the animated series.

@VMF-rj8qo

4 ай бұрын

​@@Busterbean907 I thought Tai Lee was fine. Azula and Mai don't look accurate, they need girls with more pointed, and longer for Mai, faces.

@christiner6673

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. They couldn't get an actress with more arched eyebrows instead of round eyebrows, for example. I could actually see the Azula actress playing Katara more with her gentle, soft facial features. It has nothing to do hotness . The actress that plays Suki, is great for Suki, but I also think her appearance is versatile enough that she could of pulled off a great Azula as well as her features are more defined.

31:00 Zuko fighting back in the Agni Kai is absolutely a huge deal. In the original series, he is shamed for refusing to fight. At the end of the series, Zuko and the viewers realise that he was in fact the only one being honorable. Point in fact, this is a theme. Zuko has 3 Agni Kai during the series and in hindsight he is the only one acting honorable three times. The new series seems full of stuff like this, where they are just completely misunderstanding why choices were made in the first place. This is how you write a good story: everything is important. You don't just do whatever. Also, LOL AT HAVING HIM ALMOST WIN THE FIGHT. This series is a terrible joke.

@TheDaniela3112

4 ай бұрын

In the original show he respected and loved his father so much he literally kneeled before him and refused to fight out of respect and fear to hurt him. He put himself in harm's way rather than lift a hand to attack his own father. That's how pure and good Zuko was at the time. Him fighting back takes away from the demonstration of his innocent and caring nature

It is such a huge shame that they left out The Deserter, because since Aang's arc in this adaptation seems to be about his fear of hurting people due to his powers, an episode about Aang becoming too afraid to firebend after hurting Katara would've fit perfectly.