Audio | J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - The Ending of Time - Conversation 5

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J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - 5: The ground of being, and the mind of man
Series: The Ending of Time
Summary:
Why has having ideas become so important?
What is the difference between a religious mind and a philosophic mind?
What is the human mind’s relationship to the ground?
Why has man accumulated knowledge?
When you love somebody there is no ‘me’, it is love. In the same way, when I say I am humanity, it is so. It is not an idea, it is not a conclusion, it is part of me.
There is only one thing and that is to discover that what I have done is useless, ashes. You see, that doesn’t depress one. That is the beauty of it. It is like the Phoenix, born out of ashes.
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  • @fos_demetanoia
    @fos_demetanoia4 жыл бұрын

    Krishnamurti tries again and again, he tries to find ways to make a conditioned mind see that it has always perceived from a frame of comparison, and thus the same frame cannot be used to perceive something absolute. He puts up questions over and over again, chooses very carefully the words,because the moment he uses words, its relative. And it paints an image created by thought.

  • @roryleitner1532

    @roryleitner1532

    Жыл бұрын

    He's asking how to achieve, a state where achieving is left behind.

  • @rgmoney14101994

    @rgmoney14101994

    Жыл бұрын

    Who is DM in conversation?

  • @inyo_vanlifewithtina

    @inyo_vanlifewithtina

    Ай бұрын

    After their time, Mihaly proved their theory by writing about FLOW which is evidence that the peace they talk about can be achieve through FLOW by freeing your mind from the frame of psychological time

  • @vijayakolli6426
    @vijayakolli64268 ай бұрын

    Thank you for sharing all these talks! Wholeheartedly appreciate. 🙏🙏❤️

  • @renukatandon7463
    @renukatandon7463 Жыл бұрын

    though that can not be said in words ..k has done it so beautifully . hats off k.

  • @becaudkuebena5083
    @becaudkuebena50835 ай бұрын

    When we understand what is said, there is automatically a change in the energetic frequency of the body, we become very sensitive. Arriving at this point normally the search ends, and the mind must “recognize this state of being” and let the revolution take place.

  • @jjMavani
    @jjMavani Жыл бұрын

    🙌🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏both have arrived on this planet to help us ❤❤❤

  • @arabianorangutang
    @arabianorangutang7 ай бұрын

    1:40 - Why have ideas become so important? 8:33 - How do I perceive the “ground” 25:05 - How can you aid me in seeing thought is meaningless? 47:35 - All your knowledge has no value 1:01:21 - Knowledge has only crippled me from seeing the truth

  • @SudhirDudeja

    @SudhirDudeja

    5 ай бұрын

    thanks

  • @maracummings9767
    @maracummings9767 Жыл бұрын

    Tremendous ❤

  • @padeshan1
    @padeshan12 жыл бұрын

    Reminding myself again n again 'You have never done anything like this before' Never ever. listening anything properly is a big thing, and .. listening to this -- huge. TO all who's lintning, remember, wat u r doing is an impossible task. with enough seriousness and alertness, the impossible will happen .

  • @topgun3579
    @topgun357910 ай бұрын

    K is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 itself, can't be expressed in words,k only burns🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @user-ru9bp8vq9t
    @user-ru9bp8vq9t4 ай бұрын

    Knowledge may be illusion in itself mind may be illusion😮😮

  • @padeshan1
    @padeshan12 жыл бұрын

    just think - a person who for more than 60 years of his life kept on waking people up from their slumber. that care , compassion is just unfathomable. need we more proof of the fact that this guy was conncted to that infinite energy source ..else a task of this magnitude is just unimaginable

  • @Rareme530

    @Rareme530

    Жыл бұрын

    What's the point of validating credentials of K?

  • @kooroshrostami27

    @kooroshrostami27

    Жыл бұрын

    Careful there, you are asserting proof so that we can idolize. He might be deceiving us. How do you know all his public talks aren't merely a scheme so that he can live a comfortable life from the donations of a gullible fellowship? Question everything!

  • @Alex11V
    @Alex11V Жыл бұрын

    I love you guys

  • @MAYBE673
    @MAYBE6732 жыл бұрын

    Sadly i think everyone commenting here as though they fully comprehend what is being said only do so intellectually, but not with any depth. It’s a depressing thought, but nevertheless true. I like listening to it but i know for a fact i dont comprehend shit or else i would be a different being

  • @becaudkuebena5083

    @becaudkuebena5083

    5 ай бұрын

    The depth goes beyond the understanding of those of this world, it is in this sense that he said that we had to leave the traces here for future generations perhaps some will be able to understand.

  • @nitishgautam5728

    @nitishgautam5728

    5 ай бұрын

    I agree completely that " I " self is just construct made because of conditioning, thinking, and memory but now what I do , what this me ( illusion) do ? I should just accept the fact that I am illusion but still feeling of self is existing

  • @fiskjubilee
    @fiskjubilee Жыл бұрын

    I would love to hear Bohm and Krishnamurti have this discussioned with minds that have not been so conditioned with knowledge.

  • @silveriorossiadvogados
    @silveriorossiadvogados4 жыл бұрын

    then something new arises when we stop using thought. In the past video Krishinamurt says that insight appears when there is no movement of thought.

  • @megachetyre
    @megachetyre Жыл бұрын

    It is the fire from within whose words we may hear in this conversation

  • @robertopuccianti8498
    @robertopuccianti8498 Жыл бұрын

    Wonderfull 🙏🧡

  • @emanuellopez8578
    @emanuellopez85783 жыл бұрын

    In this specific discussion/video we shouldn't make any interpretation, I'm saying this because there are some comments using "pinpoint" words like *silence* *god* or *thought* I think we can all agree that using this words can confuse some of the viewers/listeners about what was really discussed in this marvelous dialogue.

  • @m0mauri

    @m0mauri

    3 жыл бұрын

    Again thought always tries to interpret the words in the conversation and not stay with the fact

  • @nikethannikethan6997
    @nikethannikethan6997 Жыл бұрын

    ok if we realize, that whole my mind is nonsense and meaningless. now i feel happy and relaxed and waiting for my death ,then everything will end and everything will peaceful

  • @michaelsaunders6241
    @michaelsaunders6241 Жыл бұрын

    Love K's deep concern for the human condition and how.we must change if there is a possibility.

  • @pratikpatil6342
    @pratikpatil63424 жыл бұрын

    I guess the answer is ALLOWING ❤

  • @manumaster1990
    @manumaster1990 Жыл бұрын

    super

  • @Gaurav.P0
    @Gaurav.P03 жыл бұрын

    Wow. Best 😍 JK 🙏

  • @thircegreat8952
    @thircegreat89522 жыл бұрын

    The center is an illusion, illusion cannot be related to that which is true. 40:49

  • @renukatandon7463
    @renukatandon7463 Жыл бұрын

    yes sir u have done it in me. though can not comment upon xy or z....huge thanks k

  • @nobodyreally
    @nobodyreally3 жыл бұрын

    🌻

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung10072 жыл бұрын

    Could looking into how and when the center is created help, to get it busted...?...

  • @thejvmaster
    @thejvmaster24 күн бұрын

  • @ramongomez8849
    @ramongomez8849 Жыл бұрын

    🙏🏻

  • @Sunil-zv3gv
    @Sunil-zv3gv3 жыл бұрын

    1:01:21 ✨

  • @padeshan1
    @padeshan12 жыл бұрын

    an interesting aside, the way K baulks at anything said which leads mankind astray is remarkable .. similarly, I have also noticed the same thing with the interviews with allen andersen ... his immediate reaction when anything suggested by the interviewer seems a distortion ( or deviation ) ..Its like when one touches something sharp .ones finger retracts instantly I think this is an extreme level of awareness or sensitivity if u will . a mind so taut that will not tolerate even the slightest hint of untruth. I dont know how else to descrbe

  • @xdude57
    @xdude572 жыл бұрын

    OK i get this now intellectually -

  • @BamBhole1

    @BamBhole1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes at the end the new mind is the ground. In the first dialogue k mentions the particular mind, universal mind, emptiness and energy of it and then the ground.

  • @BamBhole1

    @BamBhole1

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's how K seems to be referring that the new mind is the ground.

  • @coursefacilitator2342

    @coursefacilitator2342

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ego is a tenant can’t sell / renovate the house! Whatever u hear , listen to if it becomes knowledge when it makes to say : I get it but how I can go it. Then that knowledge is extra addition to previous entity “me”. Actually u hv to see that trap that’s it! Trap: me can’t think it’s way out because it’s (the culprit of ) self deception.

  • @rusher9864
    @rusher9864 Жыл бұрын

    even though intellectually i can comprehend but as he said in his book description is not described.

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung10072 жыл бұрын

    "Whatever I have done for 1000's of years is useless".... perhaps more than useless but simply harmful for humanity..... That is why the world or humanity is now....

  • @gyan1791
    @gyan17912 жыл бұрын

    Entity made of Maya cannot perceive the truth unless the center of the Maya as me gets blasted .

  • @ashrafulhaque8759
    @ashrafulhaque8759 Жыл бұрын

    That DM guy is no help. Unlike Mr. Bohm, he wasn't getting it and keep playing the scientist in him!

  • @vijayfduragannanavar6093
    @vijayfduragannanavar60932 жыл бұрын

    ❤️

  • @nikethannikethan6997
    @nikethannikethan6997 Жыл бұрын

    ok if we realize, that whole my mind is nonsense and meaningless. now i feel happy and relaxed and waiting for my death ,then everything will end and everything will peaceful

  • @nitishgautam5728

    @nitishgautam5728

    5 ай бұрын

    It's like you are withdrawal from problem, scaping reality won't be Satisfying in The END

  • @leilamobasserii
    @leilamobasserii Жыл бұрын

    ❤️