Atheist/Agnostic DEMOLISHED on Universal Knowledge Claims!
Another classic interaction that went over his head.
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@ElonMuskrat-my8jy2 күн бұрын
These AI meltdown thumbnails are hilarious😂😂😂
@JudoMateo
4 сағат бұрын
The one for Jake the muslim metaduhcisian was the funniest so far to me.
@edwinsolis57102 күн бұрын
“I’m not trying to be mean to you” is basically JayDyer’s catchphrase
@prodigalsonofsuns
2 күн бұрын
"Unmute bro"
@NeoNoir_94
Күн бұрын
T-shirts must be made for each catchphrase.
@tynytian
Күн бұрын
He's just softpeddling to avoid the lame accusation that soys will always say. "Jay such a meanie!"
@adrudds2 күн бұрын
A: All objective knowledge comes from sense data B: that’s an objective claim, what sense data do you derive it from? A: well I can tell if I have Covid from sense data therefore all knowledge comes from sense data A brain on empiricism is a dangerous thing🤦🏾♂️
@MetaphysicalArchive1
2 күн бұрын
😂
@1111TacticalКүн бұрын
Everybody gangsta till Jay says "I'm not trying to be mean to you"
@MetaphysicalArchive12 күн бұрын
Claim after claim after claim without validation this video is hurting my brain
@standout_deviations
2 күн бұрын
You missed an opportunity to make a nice little poem there
@timotheeeful
2 күн бұрын
barz
@moldyapple17892 күн бұрын
they always find themselves to be sooo profound and novel
@tynytianКүн бұрын
To say "all knowledge is..." requires one to have all knowledge. A finite being cannot have access to all knowledge through mere sense experience. It's very simple.
@coldjello8436Күн бұрын
This caller causes emotional doubt of theism. If god real, then why this person?
@timothywilliams4089
Күн бұрын
More blather...don't bother...
@semyaza555Күн бұрын
I feel like most of the people who call in to debate Jay are calling in workshop bad ideas.
@wearetheremnants16152 күн бұрын
..Maggot buffet 😂... But but but. I had COVID!!!
@zachlehkyi9951Күн бұрын
Would pay for a UNMUTE t shirt and “I’m not trying to be mean” merch
@PETERJOHN101Күн бұрын
Jay could offer the following illustration to help people understand this logical fallacy. A company launches a one million dollar contest, all you have to do is buy a $1 ticket. You want to win the prize, so you buy the ticket. The fact you bought the ticket has nothing to do with the validity of the giveaway, or whether you hold the winning ticket even if it is valid. These are unrelated facts.
@ciudateluLcuUmor6 сағат бұрын
What a frickin boomer 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@andys3035Күн бұрын
I asked an atheist the same question; how does he account for his epistemology as an atheist. His answer was to quote Decartes "I think therefore I am" How is the best way to counter this?
@Theo_Skeptomai
Күн бұрын
Explain why anyone would have to account for his or her epistemology when you can't account for your own?
@bokkenwielderful
Күн бұрын
Cogito ergo sum, implies that cognition i.e. meta physics is more fundamental. And if mind or cognition is more fundamental, then ask whose mind. And before whomever you are talking to says "my mind" you could ask if the things exist outside their mind....that is how I would start.
@WurstelFestchen
22 сағат бұрын
Causality happens, causality can't be caused, and as logic works, operates via composition and term substitution.
@andys3035
21 сағат бұрын
@@bokkenwielderful thanks for sharing your thoughts
@andys3035
21 сағат бұрын
@@WurstelFestchen can you expand on that a bit more?
@adamredwine77410 сағат бұрын
I don’t even understand what people mean by words like “supernatural.” It seems like just a dodge.
@itssslashhere52452 күн бұрын
To better explain the question: He says all objective knowledge comes from sense data. And many people don't view that as an objective knowledge so if that's not objective then its false.
@carlosa4852
2 күн бұрын
Many people don't use objective and subjective correctly though, so it's understandable.
@itssslashhere5245
Күн бұрын
@@carlosa4852 well only atheists, I personally use objective truth. And most people aren't atheists.
@carlosa48522 күн бұрын
14:30 The name of this apologetics game seems to be: ask a malformed question, when asked to clarify, ask the same exact question verbatim, then get indignant and refuse to clarify again. Bonus points if you use categorically different positions interchangeably like naturalism/empiricism/physicalism/atheism etc.
@ScribesKartel2 күн бұрын
Im sure ive heard this guys voice before i think he was muslim but that could be someone else with a similar voice
@saxoncook
2 күн бұрын
He sounds like that muslim turned Orthodox who debated Sneako.
@ScribesKartel
2 күн бұрын
@saxoncook no he doesn't. I can tell by his voice that he's of asian origin possibly pakistani so he was probably muslim
@Madokaexe
Күн бұрын
@@ScribesKarteltrue
@achilleuspetreas3828
14 сағат бұрын
@@saxoncookthat's literally just the accent. Common with blacks and minorities in the UK. Kinda like the English version of ebonics
@Detson404Күн бұрын
You want us to justify our epistemology without using our epistemology? Seems sus, bro.
@Madokaexe
Күн бұрын
Claim: All knowledge comes from sensorial data Question: What sensorial data gives you the knowledge that all knowledge comes from sensorial data? Answer: error 404 not found
@Detson404
Күн бұрын
@@Madokaexe And that’s different under any other worldview…. How? It’s like proving an axiom.
@user-cj3pk2tm9sКүн бұрын
6:05 god is objectively provable.... with philosophy😂😂
@david_n_nettey
Күн бұрын
Yes
@Rballerz
Күн бұрын
You really thought you’ve said something sensible and profound didn’t you?🤣🤣 you’re making a joke outta yourself
@user-cj3pk2tm9s
Күн бұрын
@@Rballerz you mean quoted something sensible or profound.
@Rballerz
Күн бұрын
@@user-cj3pk2tm9s no you didn’t 🤣 do you even know his philosophical argument for God
@user-cj3pk2tm9s
Күн бұрын
@Rballerz bro, I bet it is TRULY worldview affirming.
@jojoagogo2 күн бұрын
The caller obviously does not understand simply, Jay said "your system can not prove it's own system". For the slow bois.
@carlosa4852
2 күн бұрын
There is no system that can prove itself. It's results that prove a system.
@buffcommie942
2 күн бұрын
@@carlosa4852 how do you interpret the results?
@jojoagogo
2 күн бұрын
@@carlosa4852 The proposition "all knowledge that's objective ,comes from sense data" But where in sense data is that proposition known? I think the caller felt he was a few cars ahead of Jay in the race. In reality he was so far behind that he believed that he was in the lead. In the postface , I mentioned it was for slow bois that couldn't catch it. I don't believe it was for you.
@Detson404
Күн бұрын
No system can be justified from within itself without being circular. Asking for somebody to do that is a verbal game these Bahnsen lovers play.
@WurstelFestchen
22 сағат бұрын
@@Detson404There are formal systems such as Presburger arithmetic that can prove their own consistency. You all don't seem to understand what circular reasoning even is.
@timothywilliams40892 күн бұрын
Then you've obviously missed the demonstrable, massive contradiction within christianity,.....you do not produce any cogent arguments that support your position, simply assert and make claims. For example, you have no record of a jesus character, except from third party testimony, no evidence for any ressurection, in which case,....it all falls apart, as does christianity.
@BreadCasket
2 күн бұрын
Do you believe Julius Caesar existed?
@Snoopy-lu8ex
2 күн бұрын
So personal testimony and historical documents hold no value in your worldview? You must live under a rock
@carlosa4852
2 күн бұрын
Sure, there are no statues and coinage, like with Alexander the great or autographed writings like with Julius Ceasar, or writings of people that knew him in his lifetime, or roman records of him or his being executed for insurrection; but there are some writings of anonymous third parties who wrote about him in the style/genre of mythology, and a person that had a vision/hallucination of an alleged specter of the person, which he then wrote about. So what do you mean by there being no record?
@reddotsxul8166
Күн бұрын
You’re falling into the same trap that the atheist in this video is in yet you think you’re making this devastating argument that Jay has never heard before. These arguments that are based on evidentialism will be determined by our governing worldviews, so this immediately becomes an argument about worldviews, thus leading to the epistemological challenge made by Jay
@diego1590
Күн бұрын
All of science relies on third party conclusions and testimony so unless you corraborate every scientific theory by yourself you also rely on third party testimony.
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These AI meltdown thumbnails are hilarious😂😂😂
@JudoMateo
4 сағат бұрын
The one for Jake the muslim metaduhcisian was the funniest so far to me.
“I’m not trying to be mean to you” is basically JayDyer’s catchphrase
@prodigalsonofsuns
2 күн бұрын
"Unmute bro"
@NeoNoir_94
Күн бұрын
T-shirts must be made for each catchphrase.
@tynytian
Күн бұрын
He's just softpeddling to avoid the lame accusation that soys will always say. "Jay such a meanie!"
A: All objective knowledge comes from sense data B: that’s an objective claim, what sense data do you derive it from? A: well I can tell if I have Covid from sense data therefore all knowledge comes from sense data A brain on empiricism is a dangerous thing🤦🏾♂️
@MetaphysicalArchive1
2 күн бұрын
😂
Everybody gangsta till Jay says "I'm not trying to be mean to you"
Claim after claim after claim without validation this video is hurting my brain
@standout_deviations
2 күн бұрын
You missed an opportunity to make a nice little poem there
@timotheeeful
2 күн бұрын
barz
they always find themselves to be sooo profound and novel
To say "all knowledge is..." requires one to have all knowledge. A finite being cannot have access to all knowledge through mere sense experience. It's very simple.
This caller causes emotional doubt of theism. If god real, then why this person?
@timothywilliams4089
Күн бұрын
More blather...don't bother...
I feel like most of the people who call in to debate Jay are calling in workshop bad ideas.
..Maggot buffet 😂... But but but. I had COVID!!!
Would pay for a UNMUTE t shirt and “I’m not trying to be mean” merch
Jay could offer the following illustration to help people understand this logical fallacy. A company launches a one million dollar contest, all you have to do is buy a $1 ticket. You want to win the prize, so you buy the ticket. The fact you bought the ticket has nothing to do with the validity of the giveaway, or whether you hold the winning ticket even if it is valid. These are unrelated facts.
What a frickin boomer 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I asked an atheist the same question; how does he account for his epistemology as an atheist. His answer was to quote Decartes "I think therefore I am" How is the best way to counter this?
@Theo_Skeptomai
Күн бұрын
Explain why anyone would have to account for his or her epistemology when you can't account for your own?
@bokkenwielderful
Күн бұрын
Cogito ergo sum, implies that cognition i.e. meta physics is more fundamental. And if mind or cognition is more fundamental, then ask whose mind. And before whomever you are talking to says "my mind" you could ask if the things exist outside their mind....that is how I would start.
@WurstelFestchen
22 сағат бұрын
Causality happens, causality can't be caused, and as logic works, operates via composition and term substitution.
@andys3035
21 сағат бұрын
@@bokkenwielderful thanks for sharing your thoughts
@andys3035
21 сағат бұрын
@@WurstelFestchen can you expand on that a bit more?
I don’t even understand what people mean by words like “supernatural.” It seems like just a dodge.
To better explain the question: He says all objective knowledge comes from sense data. And many people don't view that as an objective knowledge so if that's not objective then its false.
@carlosa4852
2 күн бұрын
Many people don't use objective and subjective correctly though, so it's understandable.
@itssslashhere5245
Күн бұрын
@@carlosa4852 well only atheists, I personally use objective truth. And most people aren't atheists.
14:30 The name of this apologetics game seems to be: ask a malformed question, when asked to clarify, ask the same exact question verbatim, then get indignant and refuse to clarify again. Bonus points if you use categorically different positions interchangeably like naturalism/empiricism/physicalism/atheism etc.
Im sure ive heard this guys voice before i think he was muslim but that could be someone else with a similar voice
@saxoncook
2 күн бұрын
He sounds like that muslim turned Orthodox who debated Sneako.
@ScribesKartel
2 күн бұрын
@saxoncook no he doesn't. I can tell by his voice that he's of asian origin possibly pakistani so he was probably muslim
@Madokaexe
Күн бұрын
@@ScribesKarteltrue
@achilleuspetreas3828
14 сағат бұрын
@@saxoncookthat's literally just the accent. Common with blacks and minorities in the UK. Kinda like the English version of ebonics
You want us to justify our epistemology without using our epistemology? Seems sus, bro.
@Madokaexe
Күн бұрын
Claim: All knowledge comes from sensorial data Question: What sensorial data gives you the knowledge that all knowledge comes from sensorial data? Answer: error 404 not found
@Detson404
Күн бұрын
@@Madokaexe And that’s different under any other worldview…. How? It’s like proving an axiom.
6:05 god is objectively provable.... with philosophy😂😂
@david_n_nettey
Күн бұрын
Yes
@Rballerz
Күн бұрын
You really thought you’ve said something sensible and profound didn’t you?🤣🤣 you’re making a joke outta yourself
@user-cj3pk2tm9s
Күн бұрын
@@Rballerz you mean quoted something sensible or profound.
@Rballerz
Күн бұрын
@@user-cj3pk2tm9s no you didn’t 🤣 do you even know his philosophical argument for God
@user-cj3pk2tm9s
Күн бұрын
@Rballerz bro, I bet it is TRULY worldview affirming.
The caller obviously does not understand simply, Jay said "your system can not prove it's own system". For the slow bois.
@carlosa4852
2 күн бұрын
There is no system that can prove itself. It's results that prove a system.
@buffcommie942
2 күн бұрын
@@carlosa4852 how do you interpret the results?
@jojoagogo
2 күн бұрын
@@carlosa4852 The proposition "all knowledge that's objective ,comes from sense data" But where in sense data is that proposition known? I think the caller felt he was a few cars ahead of Jay in the race. In reality he was so far behind that he believed that he was in the lead. In the postface , I mentioned it was for slow bois that couldn't catch it. I don't believe it was for you.
@Detson404
Күн бұрын
No system can be justified from within itself without being circular. Asking for somebody to do that is a verbal game these Bahnsen lovers play.
@WurstelFestchen
22 сағат бұрын
@@Detson404There are formal systems such as Presburger arithmetic that can prove their own consistency. You all don't seem to understand what circular reasoning even is.
Then you've obviously missed the demonstrable, massive contradiction within christianity,.....you do not produce any cogent arguments that support your position, simply assert and make claims. For example, you have no record of a jesus character, except from third party testimony, no evidence for any ressurection, in which case,....it all falls apart, as does christianity.
@BreadCasket
2 күн бұрын
Do you believe Julius Caesar existed?
@Snoopy-lu8ex
2 күн бұрын
So personal testimony and historical documents hold no value in your worldview? You must live under a rock
@carlosa4852
2 күн бұрын
Sure, there are no statues and coinage, like with Alexander the great or autographed writings like with Julius Ceasar, or writings of people that knew him in his lifetime, or roman records of him or his being executed for insurrection; but there are some writings of anonymous third parties who wrote about him in the style/genre of mythology, and a person that had a vision/hallucination of an alleged specter of the person, which he then wrote about. So what do you mean by there being no record?
@reddotsxul8166
Күн бұрын
You’re falling into the same trap that the atheist in this video is in yet you think you’re making this devastating argument that Jay has never heard before. These arguments that are based on evidentialism will be determined by our governing worldviews, so this immediately becomes an argument about worldviews, thus leading to the epistemological challenge made by Jay
@diego1590
Күн бұрын
All of science relies on third party conclusions and testimony so unless you corraborate every scientific theory by yourself you also rely on third party testimony.
The hubris is real with the Ath/Agn.
😅
Coronawhyrus. *head wobbles*