A cop-out? The degree of projection is just staggering. There's no bigger cop-out than "I dunno, so God must have done it."

@Mankind-Journey

2 ай бұрын

God of the gaps fallacy is easy to spot it's widely used.

@BidenIsraelFirst

2 ай бұрын

@@Mankind-Journey the origins of Life coming from a non intelligent occurrence of the gaps fallacy is easy to spot .

@BidenIsraelFirst

2 ай бұрын

I'm glad you're against the cop-outs as an atheist. Do do you believe the origins of Life came into existence without the Creator without God ? If so please provide evidence to why you believe that. And if I'm not convinced in return I will provide evidence to why I believe in God and we will see which one is more logical. If you don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God just admit to me that you don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God I hope you're not going to cop out because you said you dislike it.

@Mankind-Journey

2 ай бұрын

@@BidenIsraelFirst you are asking me for the burden of evidence because I refute as a heretic the existence or first origins of life, I don't need to provide evidence for something that doesn't ontologically make sense to me. I also never claimed to know with validity that there isn't a deity and it doesn't mean that there is or still might be a first creater. You need actual evidence for the existence of a god not sensational philosophical treaties or propositions. This is not a contest to have the best convincing argument to satisfy our egos it's about having circumstantial evidence or logical unfalsifiable sound proof to verify your assertion of a creator god."

@Mankind-Journey

2 ай бұрын

@@BidenIsraelFirst your asking me for the burden of proof when I am not claiming for the existence of a deity creator and do not need to provide evidence for just something that doesn't't ontologically make sound sense to me. This one is not a contest of having the best convincing argument to satisfy our egos. I don't need philosophical treaties or propositions it's about having circumstantial unfalsifiable evidence or proof for your assertion of a creator god." (Paraphrasing my first accidentally deleted comment.)

Christianity is a sneaky way for people to absolve themselves of responsibility.

@claudiaarjangi4914

2 ай бұрын

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr This. It is a way of being lazy as. Instead of doing the work of thinking what their choices mean ( in relation to who they are & consequences ), & learning what morality actually means & why, & learning how to make moral choices of what's right or wrong, then practicing it, to brain-train to make sure of their continued good choices in the future. Instead, they've latched onto the ( outdated, un-updated ) ready-made cookbook, that's all setup for them, of what to do/ say etc. But still not knowing WHY or HOW to do it by themselves. The "no thought or effort needed" book of living So they've never actually learnt the reasons for morality & why it's important to human society. ( except for "cos I, god, said so" ) You simply are NOT & can't be moral, if you haven't practiced those moral choices. When you just do what you're told, you aren't being moral. If you don't actually choose it yourself, youre not deciding, making moral choices, based on what your morals are. So, no wonder they make crappy choices when they have to figure it out all on their own. When that exact situation isn't written down with the exact answers, of what to do. Just like a kid that copies the answers, but doesn't know HOW & WHY those are the right answers. sad as. 😁🌏☮️

@linuxramblingproductions8554

2 ай бұрын

@@claudiaarjangi4914what is with your formatting your comment feels intentionally obtuse and im not sure what you are even trying to say

@bobgarrett7134

2 ай бұрын

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr ... Belief in God is taking ultimate responsibility for your life, future, virtue, overall conduct, and eternal destination.

@linuxramblingproductions8554

2 ай бұрын

@@bobgarrett7134 no its a get out of jail free card do bad things go confess them and get away with it lmao

@SundaeUnderstudy

2 ай бұрын

@@bobgarrett7134 "Belief in God is taking ultimate responsibility for your life, future, virtue, overall conduct, and eternal destination." Haha, no it isn't! It's the complete opposite - handing over all responsibility to your imaginary sky daddy and celebrating the murder of his son for _your_ sins 😂

Nobody else: … Theists: "We need faith because there's so much evidence!"

@johnsperry9494

2 ай бұрын

Ha! Faith is based on the total lack of evidence.

@johnsperry9494

2 ай бұрын

Atheism makes no assertions or claims, and has nothing to prove or defend.

I don't believe you is not a worldview I don't believe you is not a dogma I don't believe you is not a cult or a religion And i don't believe god claims because, no believer has met my standard of evidence

@tekbarrier

2 ай бұрын

In most cases they don't even meet their own standards of evidence, which is why they have to rely on faith

@noracola5285

2 ай бұрын

There's no standard of evidence they could meet because it's an incoherent claim. I don't believe theists nor do I demand evidence of them because they fail to meet my standard of intelligibility.

@Olegna18164

2 ай бұрын

Yes

An encouraging note, the more people are leaving Religion and society becomes secular the more people will recognize typical theist arguments to be absurd and cult like.

@bobgarrett7134

2 ай бұрын

@AdmiralBison ... There are more Christians and believers every decade -- atheism has taken some serious hits and is much more cult like.

Every con-man everywhere hates to hear "I don't believe you". Even worse when someone in his audience stands up and says it out loud.

@bobgarrett7134

2 ай бұрын

@qwadratix ... Con artists love atheists. They'll believe anything, even that there's no God. God is knowable by all with some astute discernment.

As if we had some duty to believe that a God exists. What makes anyone think that such a duty exists?

@AzathothTheTrueGod

2 ай бұрын

People who know they can’t prove their god. When you have no facts you have to rely on feelings. Which wouldn’t be a problem if you accept your religion is personal/emotional. The same crew that says “your feelings aren’t facts” are the same crew as the caller. What the MEAN is: YOUR feelings aren’t facts but mine are!

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

​@@AzathothTheTrueGod The answer is I don't know. That is not a feeling.

@tylerking1566

2 ай бұрын

People who lack critical thinking skills

@kevinvaters2526

2 ай бұрын

Arrogance?

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

Deity duty. Snerk

The "I don't know" was the best thing that happened to me.....Once I left the rigid fundamental pentecostal denomination and started an independent church I began reading much more broadly, every question I studied about problems with the bible the more questions I created. The glorious conclusion was that there is zero convincing evidence for a god.

The constant obsession with pigeon-holing atheism into some strawman worldview, gets tedious to listen to after awhile. It's as though the goal is to simply make the label `atheism` into something so ambiguous, it doesn't fit anyone. `There! We defined atheism out of existence!` 🙄

@TrejoDuneSea

2 ай бұрын

I've seen that argument from actual apologists, and I think that's their goal. The very existence of an atheist is very threatening to someone who believes god wants a personal relationship.

@Leith_Crowther

2 ай бұрын

Christians can’t handle the existence of nonresistant nonbelievers because that firmly disproves the notion of a God who has revealed himself.

how can one engage in conversation with someone who uses different definitions for 'logic', 'evidence', 'epistemology', 'knowledge', ...and all these defined around and based on their faith in tribal mythology!

While Tom was respectful, the bulk of his calls revolved around grievances with atheism. His reasoning for belief often veered into the realm of the absurd, relying on tired arguments straight from the theist's playbook as his so-called "evidence."

@GreenLantern1916

2 ай бұрын

I remember Tom from Oregon. No matter how many times his arguments are debunked he keeps making the same old arguments - he's not an honest person.

@BidenIsraelFirst

2 ай бұрын

Evidence shows us that the belief in God is an instinctive thought and or a logical conclusion. Where is believing the origins of Life came into existence without God it's not an instinctive thought or logical conclusion. Atheism is a biased position it's a disbelief it's a lack of belief it has nothing to do with evidence science. Matter of fact atheism doesn't even require thought it doesn't require a consciousness you can be a vegetable and be an atheist. If you had no ability to think if you had no consciousness you wouldn't have the ability to accept God as true therefore you would be an atheist.

@quentind1924

2 ай бұрын

​@@BidenIsraelFirst And that (the evidence that believing in god is natural) doesn’t make that fact true. It’s in fact almost the opposite : it explains why people tends to join religions and why there are so many different religions Edit: hey look, NEPy saw that his comment backfired because they saw my answer using his point on the other direction, and so they had to delete it !

@BidenIsraelFirst

2 ай бұрын

@@quentind1924 how is the belief in God being an instinctive thought and or a logical conclusion evidence of God be the opposite of a fact that doesn't make any sense

@quentind1924

2 ай бұрын

@@BidenIsraelFirst Where’s your original comment ? And to answer that question, it’s more likely to have many false religions in a world where it’s natural for people to believe in the existence of a god than if it wasn’t. Admit it, considering that there are over 3,000 different religions, evidence showing we tend to believe in god no longer means anything to prove the god of one specific religion

This is absolutely ridiculous. This old guy doesnt believe in Zeus. Does he need evidence for not believing in him? He literally is an atheist to every god except his. We just go one further.

I hate the "everyone has faith in something argument" because it's straight up wrong. I don't have faith in *_A N Y T H I N G_*

Atheism is an answer to religious claims. "We don't believe you". That's it.

@davidrexford586

2 ай бұрын

Then don’t believe.. I believe in God but would never force you to believe what I believe because what right do I have in doing that? Some of you overthink anything that challenges your beliefs and why is that? No one twisted my arm to believe in God and how would that make me believe in God? I reached out by the Faith giving to all Romans12v3. And anyone else can to.. or choose not to and that is that.

@gracefulsledge2857

2 ай бұрын

@@davidrexford586 I was that kind of christian too. I didn't push my beliefs. Believe what you want. I think people under think it. They think about assuming he's real. As soon as you look at it as he is just a story. They look at the Bible. It couldn't be more clear. What would we look like if the bible was true? Why are we not made of dirt? Why aren't we solid? Why isn't the earth solid? Why is there a universe that we have no hope of ever seeing? Why as big as the universe is, would a god care about who we have sex with? Why do we have to eat and drink to live? Why do we poop? Doesn't it seem like a being that thinks so highly of itself would make its best creation poop something so nasty?

@davidrexford586

2 ай бұрын

@@gracefulsledge2857 God is not just a story.. were you born again and baptized in the Holy Spirit? Did you have a real conversion or just believe you were saved because someone told you that you were? Did you do things for God to strengthen your Faith in God?

@gracefulsledge2857

2 ай бұрын

@@davidrexford586 Yes he is just a story. A bad story at that. That god is an incompetent a$$ clown. It's best creation was screwed up in the first chapter. He murders millions in the Bible. For little to no reason. He is fake, but if he was real. He would be unworthy of worship.

@awkwardukulele6077

2 ай бұрын

@@davidrexford586 you're doing all that pushing you _just_ claimed you weren't gonna do, brother. Mind your manners

it seems to me tom is trying to transfer theists insercurities about them not being able to prove their claim on to us ,

@ARoll925

2 ай бұрын

Don't they almost always do that?they constantly try to shift the BOP

I never got the whole intelligent design thing the universe is so chaotic.

@ziploc2000

2 ай бұрын

They just don't know much about it, so they think someone had to make the stars like snowballs and arrange them in nice patterns to make galaxies, and gravity, who's heard of that?

@Gerryjournal

2 ай бұрын

Terrifyingly so

"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." --- Voltaire

C: "There is a God" A: "...cool, that sounds great! Can you show me?" C: "no" A: "...ah I see, what made you believe that it exists? Happy to listen" C: "what you asking me for? Burden of proof is on you bubby," A: "..." C: "well, why cant you show me that there isn't a god? I am right!"

@tiltingwindmill

2 ай бұрын

Definitely how any conversation goes with Tom from Oregon. Yegads...

@tekbarrier

2 ай бұрын

"Also, the fact that all atheists eat food and breathe air proves that atheism is a worldview and a belief system"

@eklektikTubb

2 ай бұрын

That dialogue seems very unrealistic. Average atheists wouldnt say "cool that sounds great!", because they really like the idea of no God, no afterlife, no objective morality, etc. Also, believers rarely talk about burden of proof, and even if they do, it is just because the atheist side brought this topic up.

@a-o-s

2 ай бұрын

@@eklektikTubb Why does it matter how rare it is? (paraphrased) is what happened in this video.

@eklektikTubb

2 ай бұрын

@@a-o-s I dont think it happened in this video, but perhaps i missed something (?)

Atheists do not share any other opinion other than our answer to the god question.

These throwbacks are really fun. Keep 'em comin'!

@petermeichan3160

2 ай бұрын

agreed, much better than the current shows, sorry guys

@ARoll925

2 ай бұрын

​@@petermeichan3160I think the callers were much more reasonable back in these days, even though they sprouted ridiculous nonsense also, they were not completely nuts in general

@petermeichan3160

2 ай бұрын

@@ARoll925 i think they were much more intertaining, these days its all ' theory ' arguments and im using theory in the lyman term

@vansdan.

2 ай бұрын

​@@petermeichan3160 hard disagree. love the throwbacks but the quality hasn't gone down. imo

@BidenIsraelFirst

2 ай бұрын

​@@ARoll925the problem with atheism is it's a biased position it's rejection or unwillingness to accept God as true. And on top of that the vast majority of atheists don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God So how do you debate somebody who's not willing or able to accept God as true but at the same time doesn't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God.

Unlike atheists online, most atheist simply don’t think about the supernatural. It doesn’t come up often in real life. Other than sleeping in on Sundays, atheism is only as mind & time consuming as not collecting stamps. Most people, most days, are getting through their days, focused on the issues in front of them.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

I'm an online atheist and I spend very little time thinking about gods or the supernatural

@Savyy_ahmad

2 ай бұрын

lol is that reference from Eve was framed? I was thinking of getting a t-shirt that says “collect stamps or burn”

@wizardsuth

2 ай бұрын

@@Savyy_ahmad You also have to believe that a certain set of three stamps, which appear different from one another, are really all the same stamp. And that if you mumble some words over a small piece of paper it becomes a stamp, even though it still appears blank.

@LOwens-xf8yo

2 ай бұрын

@@wizardsuth why thank you for explaining that! lol

@archiemelkonian

2 ай бұрын

It NEVER happens in life

I've been an atheist for all 61 years of my life Does that make me a old atheist or a new atheist?

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

A vintage atheist.

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

Do you say that God does not exist. Or do you say, you have not made your case for God's existence. When you and I were younger Atheism meant saying God did not exist. Now it includes saying that believers have not made their case. There are still people saying God does not exist and I wish they would shut up or start saying believers have not made their case.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

@@stephenolan5539 I've never been an antitheist but they have a right to voice their claim just like theists.

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

@@joshsheridan9511 And have the same obligation to provide evidence. Which muddies the waters.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

@@stephenolan5539 that's what happens when humans are involved with just about anything

"Atheism Is Just A Cop-Out!" He is right. Atheism is a cop out... of believing stupid things.

@waltershumer4211

2 ай бұрын

No it requires as much Faith as anything else....... The world is strange enough that anything at all is possible.

@waltershumer4211

2 ай бұрын

I mean to say they still have faith it's just a faith in no faith.

@amtlpaul

2 ай бұрын

​@waltershumer4211 So, no claim or belief is any more less well founded than any other?

@BidenIsraelFirst

2 ай бұрын

Even if God was proven by the scientific method atheist still wouldn't accept God as true because atheism is a disbelief or lack of belief. Atheists believe stupid things all the time. Just look at how they put their sons in a dress 👗 because of the things they believe.

@waltershumer4211

2 ай бұрын

@@amtlpaul sure but in context of knowledge on whatever the subject might be... And of the nature of reality we know almost nothing at all.

The moment you find yourself listening to wlc you need to rethink your life choices

william lane craig - eyes roll

@ziploc2000

2 ай бұрын

I was just watching a NonStampCollector video about Lowbar. Billy boy was spouting BS 15 years ago, and he's gotten worse since. I'd say these days he's just phoning it in.

@petermeichan3160

Ай бұрын

should be lame craig

Why can’t trolls, oops I mean “Christians” just answer a question put to them without all the tap dancing around it?

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

Unless the answer is god done did it, they don't have answers I'd even go as far as to say, the majority of the time they don't understand the question

It's just a simple misunderstanding on the part of theists. I am an atheist because I have yet to be presented with any compelling evidence for any given god. Until I do my default position is that I don't think one exists. My reasoning for rejecting the christian god claim is no different than my reasoning for rejecting the muslim god, the hindu gods, the norse gods, the roman gods, etc. etc. etc. There is no compelling evidence. It really is that simple. It is the apologists for religions that muddy the waters and try to portray disbelief as something different from what it is.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

For some it's a misunderstanding, for other's it's a deliberate way to strawman atheism.

@Mac-vy1rv

2 ай бұрын

I’m an atheist from the UK, Marcus, and the theist imposition here is exactly the same although not a heavy as in the US. Over here, theists cannot accept “I don’t know” and can’t accept the atheist view point because their way of filling the gap is god - an unfalsifiable claim, of course. A clear case of special pleading because for any other topic belief is not adopted without proportional evidence.

@eklektikTubb

2 ай бұрын

My default position is that I dont think that one (objective) default position exists. I think there are many subjective default positions, but whether there is at least one objective default position and whether it is on non-believers side is debatable.

@cy-one

2 ай бұрын

​@@eklektikTubb do you believe I have a Lamborghini?

@eklektikTubb

2 ай бұрын

@@cy-one I have no idea if you really have a Lamborghini or not, but i accept the possibility that you do.

"I get you guys mixed up a little bit," he says. I know, right? I mean, they could be twins.

@ziploc2000

2 ай бұрын

They're both wearing glasses, anyone could get confused probably.

Hypocrisy and projection cop-out where having faith in a looney tunes character like Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck allows you to cheat death and gain immortality.

If a person had never known about theism/deity, they would not be an atheist until after encountering the notion of deity/theism AND found it unconvincing. For such a person, inventing a label for a notion they had never encountered or conceived of would be ridiculous. So it is that atheism only exists in contrast/contradiction to theism. ** Arguments about the purported evidence offered by theists are then subject to the many vicissitudes & faults of relative valuation amongst people. Among the worst faults (IMO), is the shifting of the burden of proof from the claim of theism to the non-claim of atheism.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

"they would not be an atheist until after encountering the notion of deity/theism AND found it unconvincing" Not true. "So it is that atheism only exists in contrast/contradiction to theism." Not true. Atheism would exists even without theism because atheism literally means without theism. 😀People are born as atheists and stay atheists. Until someone brainwash them and indoctrinate theistic nonsense into their brain, then they will stop being atheists. That means atheism is default position and it's independent on existence of theism.

@myteric117

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzech I think we may mean the same thing. If no one had ever proposed theism/deity to explain a phenomenon, and merely said 'I don't know yet, then there wouldn't be theism, either as concept or as a word. Therefore, the term 'atheism' would be unnecessary in concept or word. (Cue music for What A Wonderful World It Could Be). 👍

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@myteric117 Well, yes, you're right, without term "theism" there will not be term "atheism". 🙂

If you ask me, religion is the cop out. People use it as a way to try and explain the unexplainable or to excuse the random things that happen in life as being the work of some benevolent overseer who has perception that mortal humans do not. Most of the religious people that I know are more focused on their belief about what will happen after they die. To me that is a tragic waste of the life we are living right now.

For some strange reason, the people who feel atheists are burdened to prove the Christian god doesn't exist... don't feel burdened to prove that deities in other mythologies don't exist. Odd

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

They know they cannot meet the burden so they just pretend there is no such burden.

@Mkeusquealbby

2 ай бұрын

They think they disprove Zeus' existence, for example, by simply stating that Jesus exists

We could say the same thing about religion. It's easy canned answers to important philosophical questions in place of looking at reality and doing the hard work of thinking for one's self. It's like tapping out at the first ring of the bell.

Most theists act as if they are totally unaware of other religions. They ask, "Do you believe in God?" I will always ask: Which god? It is ridiculous not to ask because there are so many proposed gods both currently and in the past. For example, ask a JW Christian if they believe Jesus is God and they'll say NO. There are completely different god beliefs even within Christianity, let alone other religions (some without god beliefs).

How can asking for evidence for any claim be a « cop out »? Imagine a court case where the judge and jury ask for evidence to prove the defendant is guilty of murder and the prosecution says that is a « cop out ». It preposterous.

@wunnell

2 ай бұрын

I think that he's falling for apologists' propaganda when he says that, because they complain when we say that we "lack a belief in god" because it's harder for them to attack. They want us to have to do the work to prove them wrong rather them their having to justify their own position. They want us to make a positive claim so they can shift their own burden of proof to us. My only positive claim is that they have failed to convince me that they're correct. My proof is that I am unconvinced.

This is probably the best speech I have ever heard on the show, from Russel. Defined.

Atheist and when I specify everything about what I believe it's more of a skeptic.

Atheisim is the rejection of the thiest claim that a or any god(s) exist, how difficult is that !

@Spooky90097

2 ай бұрын

Theists can’t imagine someone outright thinking god doesn’t exist. It’s outside their thinking range

@sexton824

2 ай бұрын

I can kind of understand the Thiest frustration of just being told “I don’t believe you, prove it”. Let’s be honest, it’s really easy to throw your hands up and say I don’t know or I don’t believe you. I’m full blown atheist but I do understand how annoying it can be to argue with someone who has no work to do on their side of the argument (no burden of proof)

@queuecee

2 ай бұрын

@@sexton824 The theist frustration of being told, "prove it" would be like the frustration by prosecutors when they charge people for crimes and the defendants keep saying, "prove it". Also, if the theists are using their beliefs to justify their bigotry or to push for some legislation that affects everyone, then they should be ready to either prove their beliefs or stop using their religion to bash others. Otherwise, they are no different than someone believing in astrology. But what would you say if the President of the US relied on astrology in their job?

@BidenIsraelFirst

2 ай бұрын

Actually atheism is a disbelief or lack of in God or gods which means it's a rejection for an inability to accept God as true If it's only a rejection of a claim as you suggest it would mean that a person couldn't become an atheist reflecting in their own thoughts.. meaning they couldn't think of their own head whether or not humanity is the result of a Creator or a non intelligent occurrence. That would mean the only way they would be able to be an atheist is if they rejected a claim. So again atheism is a rejection to accept or an inability to accept God as true.

@BidenIsraelFirst

2 ай бұрын

​@@Spooky90097according to the OP a person couldn't be an atheist thinking on their own they can only be an atheist if they reject a claim. Atheism is a biased position it's in unwillingness or inability to accept God as true Which means even if God was proven by the scientific method and atheist still wouldn't believe in God. It's not possible to believe something you're not willing or able to accept as true.

They always talk about new atheism as if our stance has changed from "I don't believe your claim" 😂😂

@wunnell

2 ай бұрын

I think that so-called "new atheism" is characterised by pointing out how full of shit apologists are on the internet. That's really what it comes down to. There have been outspoken atheists before but there were fewer of them and they were less visible. Now that anyone and everyone can call out religious BS on the internet, it had to be labelled so it could be demonised.

"Naturalism, scientific empiricism... they have to cough up some evidence for some of that." -- Requiring evidence to substantiate claims is what leads people to not believe in things for which there is no evidence, e.g. the supernatural. You can't know about something that can't be detected.

tbh a truth claim? thats exactly what atheism does NOT do. it makes no claim whatsoever. it just rejects the god-claim.

Would be nice to add the date of the clip. It does not matter whether it is 5 days, 5 weeks or 5 years ago. The arguments do not change, Good calls like this one can be old and are still interesting. Edit: In the meantime I saw it, so thanks for the hints.

@queuecee

2 ай бұрын

2017-6-4 represents the date of the show. Not sure what you thought that was encoding.

@quentind1924

2 ай бұрын

It’s in the bottom right of the video, and it’s always has been somewhere on the screen on every videos

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

​@@queueceeit might be the way it's written A lot of people are used to day/month/year or month/day/year

@queuecee

2 ай бұрын

@@joshsheridan9511 If it starts with the year, it's usually yyyy-mm-dd. The mm/dd/yyyy is just because Americans want to do thinks in their own way while thinking we are miles ahead of others.

@quentind1924

2 ай бұрын

​@@queuecee+1, MM-DD-YYYY Make as much sense as DD-YYYY-MM. Either you go from the most precise to the least (DD-MM-YYYY), or starting general then precise further (YYYY-MM-DD) but not a mix between both

“Atheism is just a cup-out”. And what about all those people who believe in another god or gods? Or are they okay?

"Do all atheists believe this one type of worldview?" "No. Some of us do, and others do not. I happen to believe that, and other atheists often disagree with me." "See, the fact that you believe this is proof that all atheists have the same worldview!"

@Glasschin2.0

2 ай бұрын

Lol

Sorry, but when this guy tried to shift the burden of proof you should have taken him to the woodshed, however respectfully. You two didn’t acquit yourselves very well here.

The thumbnail is weird, but thanks for the video!

Religion and God are the biggest crutches to overcome people’s fear of the unknown!

Religious people just do not want to accept burden of proof, how can anyone rigorously disprove unfalsifiable claims? Because this is uncomfortable for them, they simply reject it as if that gets them anywhere.

I would agree that there is a subset of atheists that combines soft atheism, skepticism, and humanism. Still, no organization or dogma is telling them how to think on any particular issue. There are also atheists with entirely different worldviews such as Buddhists, and those who don't believe in gods but believe in other woo-woo spiritual or supernatural ideas.

@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana

2 ай бұрын

Humanism is pretty much a religion, where the dogma is whatever the virtuous say (which is circular ⭕, but so is all religion). But it is distinct from Atheism. And they don't overlap completely.

@Gerryjournal

2 ай бұрын

A 'sub set' implies there is a proscribed 'set'.

@robertvirnig638

2 ай бұрын

@@Gerryjournal I don't see why it would imply a "proscribed" subset. Sets can just as easily be formed because they incidentally have common characteristics. With that said many proponents of atheism or secular humanism describe a similar philosophy, so in that way, it is to a degree proscribed. Still, many individuals take an eclectic approach to what ideas they include in their worldview.

@Gerryjournal

2 ай бұрын

There is no 'set' about atheism. No amount of discussion, however academic, will alter that

More like: Atheism gets you out of doing boring AF God ritual activities like worship and prayer 😎 And a good Saturday Morning 🌞 AXP, Fans and Theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 💪🤠🍌

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

Morning mate. You're up early on a Saturday!

@smochygrice465

2 ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Morning mate. Yeah, I'm up early every day.

"as a preacher I get tired" Say no more.

The hosts frustrated me more than the caller. They allowed this caller to make fallacious generalisations about atheism. Atheism does not make claims and it is NOT complicated. If they had corrected that properly at the very beginning the caller would not have been able to make his generalisations. He was also allowed to get away with suggesting a so-called "new atheism" was a philosophical system. This is clearly trying to shift the burden of proof. Russ even suggested there was something in the claim. No there is not. The caller proceeded to suggests atheists were naturalists and scientific empiricists and if that was the case, then they did have a burden of proof. No! If an atheist makes a claim about naturalism or scientific empiricism , then they have a burden of proof on their claim about naturalism or scientific empiricism, not about their atheism. I have great admiration for the hosts and they have a lot more courage than me to go public to be challenged, but on this occasion they did not do well at all. They allowed this caller to get away with far too much.

Is there a "New Atheism"? Nobody told me. Do I have to pay dues to get in? Is there a secret handshake? And what was wrong with the old one?

@niklaslundstrom7633

2 ай бұрын

Yeah they say it is. Something with the four horseman Dawkins, Hitchens and such. I have heard that english guy (cosmic skeptic maybe?) talking about it.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

Only in the sense that atheists are no longer willing to stay silent.

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

Christian - "Accept jesus into your heart, repent, and be saved!" Old Atheist - "That's interesting. If you don't mind, I have an errand to run" Christian - "Accept jesus into your heart, repent, and be saved!" New Atheist - "BWA HA HA HAHA!!! I didn't know that cabbages could talk!"

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

@@holgerlubotzki3469 lol at cabbages

@niklaslundstrom7633

2 ай бұрын

@@holgerlubotzki3469 new atheists: " I dont know what a women is"

The preachers are the liars.

*me just drinking coffee, not making a claim* Christian: "stop it, that's cheating".

I love these old episodes.

you know Im tired of this shhhh. Next time I run into a theist. I'll proudly say that my confidence is in that there is no god and you know what it still isn't on me to prove anything. deal with it theists. psssh.

Jesus: Lawful good Satan: Chaotic good Yahweh: Lawful evil NEPy: Chaotic evil

@ApatheticFish3667

2 ай бұрын

I have no problem with Jesus, just his dad. If we were blaming Jesus for what his dad did, we'd be going by what the bible says. As a historical figure, Jesus was good. As god, not so much.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

​@@ApatheticFish3667as a historic figure, Jesus was a liar and a hypocrite So not that good.

@AXKfUN9m

2 ай бұрын

@@ApatheticFish3667 As a character, Jesus is extremely flawed in our modern morality. He does draw parallels with other heroes of their era, maybe not as many deaths. One wonders how much is common in the average citizen of their era and how much is copied from contemporary stories.

@sstaners1234

2 ай бұрын

@joshsheridan9511 - That’s blasphemy and your statement is false.

@sstaners1234

2 ай бұрын

@AXKfUN9m - How? How is Jesus flawed? You guys are pushing a false narrative. You want proof of his grace: the entire book of John. Imagine what he went through. You got Barabas, a guy that was a murder and extremist who is the equivalent of Bin Laden. Jesus took his place and he was spared from being executed. That’s grace. I think the worst part of the crucifixion story is the fact that he was abandoned by everyone including his 12. Actually John was there with Mary. But the feeling of betrayal, humiliation, and total abandonment in my opinion is one the worst part of the crucifixion other than the crucifixion itself. And yet you sit here condemning him.

“…the New Atheism..” Me: “the what now?”

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

I've been atheist for 50 years. "New Atheist" is something some theists started to call me...20 years ago. New atheists are 20 years old. The "New" Testament is 100x that. These theists seem both limited and bad in their naming of things.

"Faith is the evidence" = the belief alone is the thing that demonstrates the claim is true/factual. This simply is false.

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

Faith = belief without evidence. So belief without evidence...is his evidence?

If he liked chaos he would just say the chaos is evidence of God....

I do not believe in any gods, I do not have to justify my belief and I certainly don't have to prove the existence of any God. Even if the God of the Bible does exist I would not worship the evil lying bully.

To me why I am an atheist is not just no direct evidence for a deity but because I need consistency with my other beliefs of which there are many. My beliefs need a framework on which to stand and believing in a deity does not stand up as being consistent. If I started believing in a deity, I would regard that as illogical thought processes and that would create internal conflict and difficulty for me. To me even attempting to believe would be bad for me just like taking a substance that messes with the mind would be bad for me.

"Atheism Is Just A Cop-Out!" "The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist" is the saying, right? What if the greatest trick that "god" ever played was convincing the world that "he" DID exist?

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

All from ONE GUY back in the day. Wants more respect and some good meat. Comes up with the Invisible Dad gambit... Thr rest... Is history.

No such thing as new atheism. 😅 Its just another stupidity of religious framework.

@ziploc2000

2 ай бұрын

As a 57 year old who's been an atheist all his life, I do get confused by this "new atheism" thing. Did you have to be introduced to the concept of religion being utter BS by Hitchens, Harris, Dennett or Dawkins, or do theists just use the term for every atheist? Shame we've now lost two of these guys, Dawkins has an anti-woke streak a mile wide due to his age, and Harris isn't far behind from all accounts.

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

​@@ziploc2000 Do you say, God does not exist? I've told people not to say that for decades. And so have other more influential people.

Theists argue that the universe cannot have made itself. That something which exists must be made by a 'something' else. Surely, that same argument applies to the 'maker'.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

But, but special pleading

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

You would think so, but theists have a bootstrapping problem that permeates their apologetics. In order to argue their god into existence they insist that everything must be grounded in that god, no exceptions…except, as Josh pointed out, their god. And, yes, it does tend to undermine their arguments.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

Never underestimate the power of the Indoctrination + Special Pleading Fallacy combo.

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

Yeah but "always wuz". So they got that covered.

He is the type of caller that must not call again it's pointless

Tom was a good caller, seemed intelligent and articulate, however why does not having a position on religion have to be a cop out? When I was 3, I didnt believe in a god, now im 59 and still dont. For him to say I have a burden of proof is ridiculous. You make something up and now i have to prove it doesnt exist.

It says four comments, but I can only see two other comments. 😐😑

@TallSilentGuy

2 ай бұрын

You have now entered the Twilight Zone.

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

Quick. Demand a refund

@johnburn8031

2 ай бұрын

@@brucebaker810 😂😂😂

What is this new atheism?

@CyberBeep_kenshi

2 ай бұрын

nuthing, it's just apologists trying a new tactic. and lie. as usual.

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

Same as the old atheism. (With apologies to Pete Townsend.)

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

It's theists panicking about the uncomfortably obvious truth being spoken by Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris and Dennett.

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

Atheism was saying God does not exist. Now people are smarter and say, you haven't shown that God exists.

@CyberBeep_kenshi

2 ай бұрын

@@stephenolan5539 it never was. Only difference is that people used to say it like that, until the army of apologists abuse it with their wordgames

So if he dont show evidence for his non-belief in big foot, is that a cop-out? How about his non-belief in fairies? He need to prove they dont exist.

The blind leading the deaf. Dispite how ignorant caller is, im still not suprised hes a preacher.

i am voting for SCIENCE (democrats)!!!

@ARoll925

2 ай бұрын

I am voting for the people who aren't fascists, racists, Nazis, and nationalists (also the Democrats)

@waltershumer4211

2 ай бұрын

Aren't those the same people that can't define what a woman is😂

@pdoylemi

2 ай бұрын

@@waltershumer4211 No - you just don't like the definition.

@waynedexter

2 ай бұрын

@@waltershumer4211No. Those are the people who know the difference between biological sex and the societal construct that is gender 😂

@RecMike

2 ай бұрын

Being complicit in genocide is pretty gross. Dems are absolutely as fascist as Republicans, have you seen the crack down on protests that Dems and Repubs are so proud of, at the behest of a foreign government? And they fund literal Nazis so idk what you think you're proving.

"I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time." Isaac Asimov

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

I've worked it out to 4 decimal places. Surely that's good enough.

If religion is the default position, why are there so many different religions?

@Glasschin2.0

2 ай бұрын

Religion isn’t the default for anyone it’s a learned behaviour.

I'd claim the assumption society and culture's default position beleiving in god is true in USA, in Europe there's basically no discussion at all related to faith, beside the islamic presence due to immigration but that's actually a different topic. Faith, if any considering a majority are atheists, is a subject being personal and respected as lack of faith. Many religions (or faiths) seems having a social function in the sense belonging to a group (social belonging) while - as i see it - atheists base their position on individual reasoning and there's no need to receive other atheists confirmation of this position.

I think we've come a long way since 2017. It seems like most of the time on calls nowadays, this explanation is not needed.

At what age to i move into the old atheism category?

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

Boomers are old Athiests. Old Athiests said that God does not exist. New Athiests say, you have not made your case.

“‘New Atheism’”??? 🤦‍♂️ Give me that OLD TIME Atheism!

Denying the existance of Fairies is a cop out...

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

There was photographic proof at one time. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (author of Sherlock Holmes) believed. There was a movie based on the photos. A photographic expert ar the time said, I don't know if fairest are real but those wings were moving when the photo was taken. One of the girls involved confessed several decades later.

The fact we have to identify as atheists or the word atheist even exists shows the power a religious person has over us nonbelievers. I could ask a random Christian if they believe i have a fire-breathing dragon that can only be seen if you believe it exists. If they say no, do i then create a word to categorize them based on their inability to accept my delusion? No because that would be ridiculous. Before i get crap about it being Greek for Godless i already know this.

(paraphrase) 'atheists use faith' - then takes definition of faith... from his bible - d'oh!!! It's hilarious when theists use 'faith' as an accusation.

I don't believe you, but im not saying youre wrong. therefore, in an argument, until you can prove what you say, my position is the only right one........ Christian : ...... that's not fair!!! That's a cop out!!!

By his definition, how is religion not a cop out?

Order arises from chaos where there are forces like gravity and magnetism involved

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

Or even just entropy (e.g., water freezing).

@69eddieD

2 ай бұрын

Gravity overcame the initial entropy of the young universe to start the formation of celestial objects.

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

Is order not affected by gravity? If so, how does it rise from chaos when gravity is present?

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

If it involves the magnets...how does THAT work?

@69eddieD

2 ай бұрын

@@brucebaker810 Gravity is the weak force that overcame the entropy of the young universe. The phenomenon is called accretion. It's still happening.

Mr Glasser is quite wrong here (1:46). It's not complicated or difficult to rebut the assertion that Atheism is a worldview or a philosophy, and it definitely does not involve making any truth claims. Atheism is merely the absence of a definite god-belief. Some atheists might also describe themselves as 'anti-Theists' which would mean that they not only have a high degree of confidence in the non-existence of a deity (though few would claim to 'know' this for an absolute fact, because there's no way to prove it empirically) but also reject the entire notion of worship and organised religion. Of course, some atheists could be religious themselves, as long as their religion did not involve any gods (Buddhism for example), and there's no necessary connection between atheism and trust in science or the Scientific Method (although this may often be the case amongst well-educated atheists). It is most definitely true that someone coming along with the ideas that atheism is a belief system or a worldview or a philosophy or a religion in its own right... will have got this idiotic notion from religious/Theistic propagandists, because those are the only people who dishonestly spread these absurd lies.

How is the new atheism? Any different than the old atheism except that there is a stronger segment of society and thinkers that are outspoken about their atheism.?

@Glasschin2.0

2 ай бұрын

I think because they dismiss philosophy.

Atheism does make a truth claim. That claim: I'm not convinced. That's true.

Guess what, we are all agnostic. En vodka Veritas. 😂

Out of what?

There's nothing new about the new atheists, we're just recent ...... Christopher Hitchens

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

Athiests used to say there was no God.

@johnnybickle13

2 ай бұрын

@@stephenolan5539 There is no god..... How's that ? And see that's not what atheism is or the stance it takes by way of the term usage. It only means disbelief in a god or gods. Not that there is no god, As in having Knowledge, but that they do not believe there is, atheism... I personally claim the burden though and say I know there is no god. So it depends totally on who you speak with. The term does not bind anyone to any specific definition of.

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

@@johnnybickle13 I have told people not to say there is no God. All that needs to be said is that the believers have not made their case.

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

@johnnybickle13 And if someone says that Atheism is saying there is no God then you can reply, OK Boomer.

@johnnybickle13

2 ай бұрын

@@stephenolan5539 No you should not tell people to not say there is no god. Because there is no god and we can show this easily. Physics are in control here, not god powers. Humans cannot walk on the surface of water. We all adhere to and operate under physics, the mama bear teaches her cubs to not play too near the cliffs edge. Same as we teach our children, we step out of the way of an errand hit ball and we look both ways when crossing the street. Because physics ... Not god powers.. And newsflash ... I'm a label, since labels are the issue. I'm what's ignorantly known as a Boomer. People need to focus on the issues, not misplaced labels and the ignorant attributes given to the labeled...

Atheism is beautiful in it's simplicity and the fact that theists struggle so with the statement of "I don't believe you" when confronted with "there is a god!" is simultaneously funny and tragic. To be fair there are many atheists who struggle with theists' standards of evidence being so low. So if theists would employ empathy to put themselves in the opposition's shoes they'd understand atheists just a little bit more. Instead atheists get told "you're cop outs!" or "you actually believe what we do, you're just lying about it!" These are frankly insulting statements and atheists at large don't make these accusations of theists. But theists almost have to make these accusations as an affirmation of their belief. Atheists don't tell theists: "you don't actually believe what you say you do!" that would make atheists mindreaders which is almost more ridiculous than believing in god(s).

Why is God hiding? Is he afraid of us?

@Beacon80

2 ай бұрын

He's going for the multiversal record for longest game. He's just got another two billion years to go before he beats C'thulu from universe 90210's record.

I don't believe in fairies. That is not a world view or a belief system.

That Hebrews verse simply makes no fucken sense at all. Period. It’s telling WLC confuses him. He should think that through… if he’s able.

This conversation is at a stalemate. And will always be. The believers are simply hijacking the tenets that atheists have put forth in order to buttress their defense. People like William Lane Craig are emotionally approaching the argument, and emotions are so individual. However, just as can be seen all over Instagram, Tik Tok, and KZread, one can have their emotions hijacked and made to fall in line with others to fit in.

@davidrexford586

2 ай бұрын

A belief in God is an individual choice and for those not wanting to believe.. then don’t. Just don’t come telling me I can’t believe in God because you chose not to and everything will be okay. No one has the power over another to make them believe what that person believes and that is that. My belief in God is not up for debate considering we all are given the same measure of Faith to believe in God with. Romans12v3. Now you can refuse to believe in the word of God and that’s on you to contemplate because you are your own person and I am mine. I don’t run around demanding others believe in God because it’s an individual choice to believe.. or not.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@davidrexford586 "A belief in God is an individual choice" Nonsense, nobody can choose what they want to believe in. "to believe in the word of God" No such thing.

@davidrexford586

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzechand yet billions of people do.. your own voice has very little to do with billions of other voices because you only have one voice and one opinion about anything in particular as I do as well. My belief in God is my own choice even if you Refuse to acknowledge it.

@Beacon80

2 ай бұрын

​@@davidrexford586Nobody is saying you're not allowed to believe in God. The problem is when other people start imposing their religions on us.

@davidrexford586

2 ай бұрын

@@Beacon80 who actually does that? I don’t because you can find God yourself or choose not to. If I forced or coerced you into believing in God, your free will will be non existent so if you see people doing that, just get away from them because ultimately you decide what you will believe as I will as well.

Personally I believe in Jesus in the same way I believe in Spider Man.

This is a terrible picture LOL

🙄

It's funny. I watched a lot of these while getting stoned back during my stoner years. A fun time, but not really a productive one. Long behind me now. I would literally just watch these and crack up the entire time. Religious people are way funnier when you're high. Now listening to them is just kind of annoying.