You can use a Shockwave Blade with the protector on a rifle... So if you have an AR pistol and put a 16 inch upper on it, there you go... Not an SBR.

@LTCDRRAZOR

5 жыл бұрын

And not legally a rifle, so it would still be putting a stock on a pistol.

@LTCDRRAZOR

5 жыл бұрын

Remember that the ATF loves technicalities. Technically if you purchase a “virgin lower” (one that has never been built into either a rifle or a pistol, you can build it up either way you wish into a rifle or a pistol. But, you can not switch back and forth as you see fit. Yes you can put whatever length barrel you wish on a pistol, but you can not convert it to a rifle. Thus, you can not just put a 16 in barrel on your pistol with the shockwave blade, and call it a rifle so you can put the SBP on it. You also can not use a virgin lower, build a rifle out of it, decide that you would rather have a pistol (so that you can put a sub 16 in barrel on it) and convert it to a pistol with a sub 16 in pistol as instead of making it into a pistol you will have technically (in the eyes of the ATF) instead made an SBR. This is why it is also always wise to make sure that if you purchase a stripped lower, that it really is a virgin lower. As then you can make it whichever you want, either a pistol or a rifle, but even then you still can not switch back and forth. The ATF keeps track as to what form of weapon is attached to a certain SN, pistol or rifle, or neither if it is still virgin. I had a friend a few years back who purchased a stripped lower that he was unaware had originally been built and sold as a rifle. He built it into a very nice pistol, decided that he was bored with it and tried to sell it to a gun store as part of helping him pay for a new rifle that he found (a beautiful condition M1911, not an A either). A few days later the ATF showed up on his doorstep wanting to talk to him about manufacturing and selling an unregistered SBR. It turns out that when the gun store was running the serial number through the ATF to make sure that it was not stolen, they listed it as a pistol, and the ATF’s records has that sn as having been manufactured and originally sold as a rifle. Thankfully the ATF agents were actually pretty cool and willing to work with him that he had in good faith purchased what he believed was a virgin lower. But this could have ended up really screwing him over for the rest of his life as well as made him a felon, thus stripping him of his right to own firearms at all. All on the technicality that a firearm can either be a rifle, a pistol (or an SBR, with the right paperwork), but can not be switched back and forth once it has been made as one or the other. Yes they will never know what one does at home with their lower. I just wanted you and others to be warned that one technically can not do what you are suggesting,

@LTCDRRAZOR

5 жыл бұрын

This is the same reason that you can not purchase an off the shelf, fully assembled, full size 870, for example, and make it a PGO with a sub 18 in barrel without it technically becoming a SBR.

@LTCDRRAZOR

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry to be a buzzkill but I am just wanting it to be put out there that that is technically not legal. In hopes that no one just does what you said and gets themselves screwed over.

@mushroomcloud1

5 жыл бұрын

@@LTCDRRAZOR You are not being a buzzkill, you are providing information. I appreciate it. It is important to know this stuff before you build any firearm and you can never have too much info....Thanks for setting the record straight..

this sbr/pistol madness is nonsense. just legalize it for crying out loud.

Amazing products like the IC13 SBP are one of the reasons why I don't go to public ranges. What you do with, or put on, your Shockwave Blade out in the country is between you and the god of your choice... And maybe some buddies.

@paracrazy78233

6 жыл бұрын

Green2Blue 30 it's legal to use as of April 2017

@Budget_operator

6 жыл бұрын

its only legal to shoulder an AR pistol...this is still considered a "redesign" or "modification"

The ATF needs to disappear and give us our rights back.

@pricelessppp

4 жыл бұрын

10- 42 This is a good time to do that!

@Baebon6259

4 жыл бұрын

they don't need to disappear. They need to reestablish themselves as a store where you can buy all 3 at any time without limitation.

@glyndonwaas526

4 жыл бұрын

@Anh Nguyen no, we need to MAKE the ATF disappear, and TAKE our rights back.

@SubjectivelyInteresting

3 жыл бұрын

Never gonna happen. People talk big, but never do jack. Everyone knows ATF is a POS since 93. Guess what, nothing has happened only more regulations.

The laws on SBR and SBS especially the constructive possession are stupid as hell. What if somebody owns a rifle or shotgun and has a hacksaw or pipe cutter in their tool box? That could be constructive possession yet I don't see plumbers that own a rifle or shotgun getting charged.

Does the ATF really think it's making a difference-- saving lives-- with all these dumbass laws? FFS...

@AutismFamilyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

nunya bidness : good point. It’s like they have to justify their paychecks

@samdavis1228

4 жыл бұрын

It’s more about suckering sheep to pay them. Stop paying, fuck the ATF... shoot in private if possible, and if it came down to life and death do what’s necessary to survive.

Free men do not ask permission:)

@144Souldier

3 жыл бұрын

Into you doing fed time fighting for your freedom

@SonoranAstro

3 жыл бұрын

@@144Souldier it's liberty or death, not liberty or *prison*

Ahh fuck it I'll put one on. Not paying that tax stamp.

@sixpest

2 жыл бұрын

just use another company's like i said "That's like saying putting a gps in your car on the windshield re-manufactured the car." these people are crazy and should be ignored but watched. they are ignoring the reason the product exists

@easton5700

Жыл бұрын

Using a stock is cheaper. Just a tip, do not tell anyone

Technically if you own both an AR rifle and an AR pistol you have constructive possession because there's nothing stopping you from moving the brace off of the pistol and putting the stock on it from the rifle. So to say that having a piece of rubber is constructive possession is a load of crap.

@dylanmartinez2157

2 жыл бұрын

Explain. So you’re saying that, the hundred of thousands, perhaps millions of Americans who have a compete AR15 and and an ARP, could be charged with “constructive possession?” I think that’s a load of bull and wouldn’t pass by in the court. Especially if you kept in packaging and not close together, etc.

Really at this time in our country the atf is worried about your ultra deadly 10" ar "pistol" and a stock on it? What about Isis and north korea but no when my shotgun is 2" less than what it's supposed to be its suddenly an extremely dangerous weapon never mind that shortening any gun's barrel makes it weaker and less accurate.

I can't believe anyone would pay for a tax stamp just to put that on. Go to the range, put it on, shoot, take it off, go home. Leave it on at home if you want. Does the ATF hang out at your local range? No, they don't, and most cops are clueless when it comes to SBR laws.

@sixpest

2 жыл бұрын

i dont get it. you can still shoulder the fuckin thing so i really dont understand their logic if that's what they've come down too. then on top of that it just snaps on it does not even turn it into a stock.

@tacoking5685

2 жыл бұрын

@@sixpest ATF t4rd logic right there.

@GanjaBabyy

2 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯 EXACTLY. Even if I use my gun In a home defense situation. I'd just take it off when the police came. Simple

If it's illegal to modify the brace, modify your shirt. Shooting jackets have been around for years. There's companies that make shirts with a gel pad in the shoulder.

@mammoths_4229

Жыл бұрын

Who cares

Lmao, at this point just put a stock on your pistols. They're gonna continue illegally pushing "laws" to make you a felon for owning the same plastic and metal you did last year. Stop complying.

By the time you get your tax stamp the ATF will probably determine that part to be legal LOL

@treroney4720

7 жыл бұрын

Ammo Man Ikr, might as well put it on, I won't tell! Lol

With all the screwed up mess in the country and the government worries about a tiny piece of plastic.

Utterly ridiculous nonsense. Dismantle the ATF

@texaspatriot9159

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

Why don’t someone just sell some “padding” to be worn on our shoulder? That will be totally legal and nothing to do with ATF.

@JoeWayne84

3 жыл бұрын

Haha they have had shooting jackets ,vest, shirts forever with padded shoulders it’s out of fashion these days but like my dads old hunting clothes all had padded shoulders it was more popular for dove hunting back in the day.

If you're going to sbr it why wouldn't you just put a stock on it instead of the blade? Paying a $200 tax stamp just to throw that thing on your brace is idiotic.

@momurderah

5 жыл бұрын

Or just do what you want, just be smart about it. All these dumb laws are unconstitutional anyways. The text reads SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Amazing products like the IC13 SBP are one of the reasons why I don't go to public ranges. What you do with your Shockwave Blade out in the country is between you and the god of your choice... And maybe some buddies.

if you read the ATF guidelines they don't have authority to classify accessories

As soon as I heard about this pad I knew the ATF would say it makes the blade a stock. No doubt about it.

So they made a shoulder pad for a "pistol brace" and the ATF didn't like it. Shocker.

Common Sense? Don't know who she is. - ATF

@HarleyWood23

7 жыл бұрын

exactly.

@randystockton624

6 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad Trump got elected as president or we were on our way too being a socialist country. yes the democrats are communist and socialist.The ATF are legal thieves. Who they too tell me how too shoot my gun why does it matter when people are shooting for enjoyment just like playing golf, If someone uses a golf club for a weapon look out the government will put restriction on how too hold a golf club. See how ridiculous that sounds. Maybe they will conficates all vehicles since some nut uses a car for a weapon. Just used the tube and to hell with the ATF.

Does it matter ? The ATF cannot make laws. There is NO law that says how you can and cannot fire a weapon. The ATF can only write regulations to existing law. The problem is people bending the knee and giving precedence for Traitors to make a law.

@shojus

7 жыл бұрын

WickedSensation I swear you are EVERYWHERE wicked! Lol It seems every gun channel I am subd to you are popping your head in as well! Anyways, its always nice to hear your views on these types of things. Take care and I'm sure ill see you around the internet soon! ;)

@VictoryOrValhalla14

7 жыл бұрын

shojus are you stalking me 😜. I love everything about guns and personal freedoms. Two things that go together like PB&J. It's important that gun folks think for themselves and preserve those freedoms. I appreciate the kind words.

@shojus

7 жыл бұрын

WickedSensation :) Take care man!

@EricKPoorManPrepper

7 жыл бұрын

Wicked is EVERYWHERE !!! ...LoL He's on all my ch. too,.. Or is it I'm on all his,..?

@VictoryOrValhalla14

7 жыл бұрын

Eric K we have good taste.

Constructive possession= bullshit. If I have corn, sugar, and water- am I in “constructive possession” of moonshine? If ATF deems that putting that on your blade makes it a stock, tell you’re gonna put it on your rifle build. WTF?

@thuglincoln7699

5 жыл бұрын

except when the ATF shows up you can't just turn moonshine back into corn sugar and water, whereas in this case, you can just take it off and be legal (if not for constructive possession) which is why they do that.

who gives a shit what you put on your gun its your property do what you want

There is no federal constructive possession laws for sbr's Just keep the upper and lower receivers apart when transporting to and from your shooting spot and use whatever stock you want.

The way I see it: Altering the brace is one thing... adding an accessory to it is another. Either way the ATF can suck it and I hope to see the NFA repealed in my lifetime. GOD BLESS

I agree with you saying the ATF sucks and so does the NFA but let’s be honest. anybody with any common sense would be able to see what the intent was here, leaning it up against a wall? get real. You had to see this coming a mile away and so did IC13. The whole pistol vs SBR thing is ridiculous and it should go away, but just step back and look at this product and tell me that it wasn’t designed to make the blade more comfortable to shoulder.

@Raymo2u

5 жыл бұрын

The NFA exceeds Congress's authority under the Commerce Clause, even without the Second Amendment its still Unconstitutional. A $200 transfer tax in 1934 is the equivalent of a $2,854 tax today, on top of fingerprinting and permission from the local head of law enforcement per NFA Item. The Constitution outlines that Taxes are Voluntary and cannot be used to undermine law, liberty, or Citizens Rights - The Registration System of Firearms is Unlawful. If you are required to pay a tax and get a receipt that is, in effect, a license. They can simply refuse to take your money and issue you a receipt -- therefore, no license, and you are prohibited from owning them and they have done just that in other areas (New Jersey comes to mind). It is worth noting that 2A says "shall not be infringed". It does not say "shall not be prohibited", a Tax can be an infringement. Imagine if the tax wasn't $200 but it was $10,000 - that would make owning a Firearm listed by unobtainable for the masses. Any law, bill, legislation that is unjust, Unconstitutional, and approved by the people should be seen as "Null and Void". “The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and the name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it; an unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed … An unconstitutional law is void.” (16 Am. Jur. 2d, Sec. 178) " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men. We...solemnly publish and declare, that these colonies are and of a right ought to be free and independent states...and for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honour. " " Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government. " - Thomas Jefferson

They could easily redesign this and change the intent and get it passed no problem. Bring it around the side and allow it to affect the cheek rise.

Exactly what part of "shall not be infringed" does the ATF not understand? I am sick of the semantics game. Who cares if it is short-barreled, long-barreled, shouldered vs arm-brace, ad nauseum?

I'm no fudd but why anyone is surprised at the ATF response to this is funny. That thing very clearly and beyond question turns the brace into a stock.

@deadheart556

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can see why the assholes at the ATF would do that

@steveanbozek3589

6 жыл бұрын

Because "braces" are pretty much exclusively used as pseudo-stocks for AR "pistols" and 12 or 20 gauge "firearms" so why does the ATF even give a shit at this point? There's better braces that work exactly like a stock out right now but they simply are more expensive than the blade. The ATF backed down and let us use braces as stocks again because they literally cannot legally enforce what they were saying before without getting sued out the ass and having to deal with legal fees. A bunch of people called them out on it and risked jail time on the basis that abusing the brace and placing it against your shoulder does not redefine it's original intended purpose any more than hammering in a nail with the back end of a screwdriver redefines its purpose. They can't enforce any of this crap. They basically just say no to stuff they don't like until a bunch of people break the "law" and they realize they might have to go to court with their nonsensical bullshit so they back out. So just slap that fucker on your blade and wait. Guarentee the ATF wont even know or care. Is a cop gonna stop you at the range and ask what's that on your gun? Are your fellow range mates gonna know and turn you in? Come on

While l agree that it's unfortunate, this is obviously designed to be a pad for shouldering a brace. Let me also say I think the NFA should be abolished. I am certainly not agreeing with the ATF on this. Or anything else for that matter. I'm just pointing out the fact that it's blatantly obvious this product is an attempt to skirt a law that shouldn't exist in the first place.

@BamaPewPew

7 жыл бұрын

Chris Heath I agree NFA should be repealed. That said, this product serves no purpose other than to function as a shoulder stock. I hate the "lean it up against a wall" argument as well. I don't lean my Walther or glock up against a wall. I'm all for AR pistols, I have one, with just a foam cheek pad on the tube, works great, and is enough of a screw you to the NFA that I don't need a "brace"

@seanflipflop2887

6 жыл бұрын

+wht02lightning RUSSIA HAS MORE LAX GUN LAWS THAN AMERICA... RUSSIA.... GOD DAMNED LIBERAL/U.N. NONSENSE.. AND THE "DONT UPSET THE APPLE CART" PANSY ASS "JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR RIGHTS AWAY, JUST DO IT SLOWLY" ASSHATS NEED GO WAKE UP. REAL AMERICANS ARE BECOMING ANGRY AS ALL HELL.

@BamaPewPew

6 жыл бұрын

Sean Flipflop lol it's not taking away rights, the NFA did that long ago. It's simply recognizing that this device can be only one thing, a stock, and as long as an SBR is defined by a rifle with a barrel under 16 inches, then this type of product will be illegal. Has been since the 1930's.

But wait it's a free country right?

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms sounds like an american convenience store.

How about WE THE PEOPLE get rid of the ATF.

@dannyo6699

4 жыл бұрын

For the most part, ATF field agents are gun people too, but they enforce the regulations their superiors come up with. What we actually need to do is elect legislators who will tackle the issues with the ATF, come up with actual laws regarding what is and isn't a weapon, regardless of barrel length or stock design, and make the ATF enforce that, not give the ATF leadership carte blanch authority to make decisions on their own. They are a regulatory agency, not a legislation agency. That's the job of elected legislators. If they do THEIR job, then the ATF would have defined boundary's within which they are to operate.

@glyndonwaas526

4 жыл бұрын

@dannyo66 I agree. Although still allowing laws to categorize firearms could continue to cause a burden. That’s why we have issues like having to settle for a pistol stabilizing brace, just so that we don’t have to ask the ATF for permission every time we want to travel out of state with an SBR (short barrel riffle) or check in with the ATF every time we move. That’s ridiculous. Also their reasoning behind barrel length is so that it cannot be easily concealed. So therefore I feel having a concealed carry permit should totally destroy that bullshit law of theirs. If you can legally conceal a pistol, then why not a SBR? We need to fix problems like these. They don’t want us to have a tactical advantage, and that’s simply it. I support law enforcement, but I do not support tyranny. Besides that criminals can just simply purchase a pistol length barrel, and put it on an AR15 or just buy the whole pistol upper and install it illegally. Because there’s no laws preventing criminals from purchasing weapon parts. Only the lower receiver they cannot buy. Also I wonder how much ammunition is bought, and used by criminals. They are looking in the wrong direction. They need to take the magnifying glass off of us law abiding citizens.

@dannyo6699

4 жыл бұрын

@@glyndonwaas526 they have to muddy the waters alright

It's obvious what this product is for. I shoulder my pistol all the time at a nearby range.

Hope the ATF doesn't raid my house for altering my Redman or Levi Garret, sometimes I add water when it gets dry. I sometimes mix alcohol with soda too. Got a few brace too, makes a great varmint gun.

Constructive possession is a crock of shit. I have sheet metal breaks and a drill... Am I in constructive possession of a drop in auto sear?

@50shadesofcerakote

6 жыл бұрын

i mean, im interested if you are.. hahaha

Just keep poking the bear with this.... It's all fun and games until ATF decides to ban arm braces like they did bump stocks

@JohnSmith-ps7wp

5 жыл бұрын

Trump's ATF...lmao

@TheDkb427

5 жыл бұрын

That shooting at that concert got bump stocks banned.

Anyone know if these things are still illegal? Or if something has changed with the law on these "protectors"

"Dust cover" ahahaha sure

@quhectic221st

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s a dust cover

How can you even hold that thing in your hand, aren't u terrified!?!? And only terrorists would shoulder a pistol brace. Wait..............oh. My bad that's crazy government talk.

All firearm laws and the atf are both not allowed under our constitution . There for according to our constitution, any laws made in the name of tyranny and limiting your rights is null and void you can break them and nothing can happen to you under the constitution let’s fight tyranny with anything we want

@jamesroderick6751

6 жыл бұрын

Eric Sorensen tell that to the branch davidians, the victims of ruby ridge, the Philadelphia police aerial bombing or the battle of athens.

@ericsorensen6636

6 жыл бұрын

James Roderick I would no matter what it takes a long time before anything will happen because people are sheep those brave men and women were fighting for their rights and they get no recognition their hero’s in my mind specially ruby ridge all the man did is not show up for “firearms charges” as the fbi and government will tell you don’t give up we need to push fuck representatives cause they don’t care about you they think for themselves only a select few get it and theirs not enough of them the people need to do something

@nrm3247

6 жыл бұрын

Every gun law ever written is a violation of the 2nd amendment. All gun laws are unconstitutional

@nrm3247

5 жыл бұрын

Wesley Richardson I don’t need a law degree to understand “shall not be infringed” moron....

I do not understand why get a tax stamp and still use that why don't you just use a regular stock if you have a tax stamp

@Killswitch1411

4 күн бұрын

He didn't have his Tax Stamp yet.

I strongly hate the atf. They should be abolished. That being said, they exist and have authority and yea putting that padding on your blade undoubtably turns the stabilizing brace into a stock. When the brace first came out the atf said yellow light and everybody blew through that intersection with stuff like this, so of course they turned it into a red light. As a lawyer I know why their rule is unconstitutional, but as a rational adult I also know why they have changed course.

@bermchasin

Жыл бұрын

While that is likely true while firing it, it is insane that it would be treated as a stock even if you only used it as a rifle stand, and never shot with it.

@jonboy9734

5 ай бұрын

A rational adult knows any law the atf sets. Someone is going to find a way around it. Soon the gun law book is going to be longer than the Bible.

@fastshuther

Ай бұрын

"Rational adult"

I have it on my pistol and I use it when I go shooting on private property. Just be smart about it. Keep it off unless you are shooting the pistol. If you carry in a vehicle obviously leave it off. I have a feeling it will get over turned. Add on do not modify a brace. Why is it that you can put a saddle on a brace but not this plug? They can't keep this up forever. Times are changing.

Just another inane ATF rule. Getting stamps is just another shake down for us responsible firearm enthusiasts.

Honestly this one is a step to far, I get it. Stated intent is one thing but this is %100 designed to make the brace more comfortable to shoulder. You literally just went into explaining, over the majority of your video, that the #1 benefit of the device is that it will be more comfortable. The ATF is being generous with the, "braces," and they're not idiots. We keep asking like this mom and dad are going to take the whole trip to Disney World away.

@cfx5000

6 жыл бұрын

The ATF are exceptional idiots.

@seancroke532

6 жыл бұрын

in other words your saying we should comply with the ridiculous and outlandish laws that our horrible government makes for us and be happy that our freedoms as US citizens and rights are being played with by the ATF gods?

@OperatorKaz

6 жыл бұрын

This kind of mentality is what got your rights taken away in the first place, because people like you gave in to unreasonable 'compromises'. Is it so hard to understand what 'Shall not be infringed' means?

@bigspence404

6 жыл бұрын

Too far? We shouldn't even have to comply to these BS rules in the first place, this kind of control is only for us Lawful gun owners, why not take all of the effort put into regulating us, and put it into rounding up the criminals, they are the problem, not us. This "ATF are being Generous" by letting us useful(but lawful) idiots have little pieces of what should be our constitutional right anyway, is the same attitude that endangers our 2A rights at the local/state levels all over this country, thank fucking god we don't have to worry about the 2A going away or being suppressed under the Trump administration at the federal level, but we do need to push back against not being able to use this product, or similar products, they aren't going to compromise public safety, the criminals are already doing that, and we aren't them.

@HarleyWood23

6 жыл бұрын

all "pistol braces" are exactly the same as what you describe. they all exploit the stupidity of the NFA laws.

You can shoulder it now says the ATF

Blows my mind that the ATF is so worried about suppressors and SBRs. They should stop the whole tax stamp process with this stuff and focus on criminal activities. I can understand some of their other restrictions to a point…

Just plugged my shockwave blade w/ the end of a lint brush remover to keep out debris. Clean nice fit & looks great!

Put the padding on your shirt instead of your brace and butt the brace to the padding, its not part of the pistol so it still stays a pistol.

lets be honest, whatever the stated "puropse", this device makes the blade functionaly a sholder stock, by your reasoning you could put any stock on a pistol and just say it was to help it stay propped against a wall. I agree that the whole SBR/pistol thing is a BS law, but it is a law, and this device is clearly intended to skirt that law.

The ATF has stated that it is OK to shoulder the Blade. Why not introduce a product that makes that product more comfortable to shoulder? I can play along with their stupid rules.

Gun owners really piss me off with their eagerness to comply with unconstitutional laws. The ONLY reason these laws are enforceable is because people accept and comply with them in mass. If every gun owner decided to have the balls to stand up for themselves AND each other, the NFA would disappear really quickly.

@Kyle_gallegher

4 жыл бұрын

And add the holes man. They have the holes on theirs thats bs to be run by frickin hypocrites who have everything they tell you not to and do exactly what they tell us not to.

@EmperorWelkin

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kyle_gallegher Easy to do. Doesn't cost much to upgrade.

@treroney4720

4 жыл бұрын

Reclaim The Bloodthrone I mean this a an opinion to a law that no one should follow and barely any cops will enforce

@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kyle_gallegher Don't get cozy with this guy if you're doing anything illegal. Check him out and see what you think, but I'm convinced he is an undercover fed posing as a white supremacist right wing extremist.

@EmperorWelkin

4 жыл бұрын

@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS You're more likely to be a fed trying to get me to admit to something or to shut me down for speaking out over the line that most people are comfortable with. There's no such thing as white supremacy. We're a global minority being ethnically cleansed in our own homelands. There's nothing controversial or immoral about the fight for survival and the preservation of one's home. That's natural law.

Is the NFA unconstitutional? Probably. Is a felony for possession of an unregistered SBR ridiculous? Yes. Have pistol braces made it so that I don’t really need an SBR? Also yes. Stuff like this won’t repeal the NFA, braces will. Braces point out the ridiculousness of the NFA and form legislative power in numbers through mass legal ownership. Stuff like this just rocks the boat and will get the atf to reclassify braces so that we regress our current situation.

ATF is saving the world with these unconstitucional laws

Too many blue falcons in our community

It's actually legal to shoulder them again since april.

@HarleyWood23

6 жыл бұрын

Garrett - Thanks. I mentioned that in the video.

@Richard-md3gi

6 жыл бұрын

It was never illegal

It should be fairly obvious to anyone what that's doing. You're all lucky they've been so goofy and winking on this topic as much as they have....overall though...you people need to stop worrying about what daddy says and start working towards abolishing all regulations and entities that wish to infringe on actions that don't cause harm to others IE: What are:Rights, right doings, action that are not wrong doings. The only way to stop a right doing is to commit a wrong doing. And this world ain't gonna get any better choosing wrong over right.

Gee, it never occurred to them to engrave it with "For Storage And Transport ONLY! Remove Before Use"??

@mephInc

6 жыл бұрын

"Dust cover only!" Hindsight is 20/20..

Your afraid to have a piece of plastic near a piece of rubber or you might go to jail. Nothing to see here.

@HarleyWood23

3 жыл бұрын

How many illegal parts or builds do you have?

@michaelshanahan4965

3 жыл бұрын

@@HarleyWood23 Great job missing the point. Exactly what I’m talking about.

@HarleyWood23

3 жыл бұрын

I’m playing it safe because you never know who’s watching. YT is a public platform and if you won’t publicly discuss your illegal shit, fuck off for expecting someone else to do so in their video.

@vcovey8043

3 жыл бұрын

@@HarleyWood23 to me you a gun law complying citizen to me 👌🏼, new law coming all men have to tuck there dicks back when in public, 1 year later all forced to be Trans an get melanin shots so everyone’s the same color, GOD BLESS MERICA! 🇺🇸 (jokes on them tho I tuck my junk back just for fun!) 🤣

You can have possession of that. Why couldn't you use it on a rifle? If you had that on a gun with a 16 inch barrel, you wouldn't be breaking any laws. I think that would make a nice lightweight stock for a light contour barrel AR rifle. It would make a super light rig. If possession of this itself makes you a criminal, you could not own an AR15 rifle and an AR15 pistol at the same time. Otherwise the possession of the collapsible stock on the rifle lower, that fits the pistol upper would make you a criminal. I own a shotgun and a hacksaw. Possession of the two are not a crime. As long as I don't cut the barrel off below 18 inches, I am not breaking the law.

It's not worth 200 bucks + 40 bucks and a 8-12 month wait! I'll buy a SBA3 brace instead

@HarleyWood23

6 жыл бұрын

I actually agree. Check out this video I did about that. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aX6Kt9qdo86ugJM.html

It wouldn't be constructive possession if you had the two at your house, that would be like saying you can't have a stock and a pistol at the same house. The blade with the protector attached would be considered a stock, so you could put it on a rifle and it would be a stock but if you put it on a pistol then it's illegal.

They make a 3d printed one on etsy for $10. Sources say they work good. They have the Blade 2.0 that fits on a standard tube now too and is adjustable.

It would be better to have an adjustable length of pull on your SBR. I'm sure you know this, but for those who don't. Bending your trigger pulling arm to an angle that allows you shoulder a pistol brace. Is likely to make your arm cramp. Also if your not using a red dot sight. For instance your using your back up irons, or a magnified optic the eye relief will be wrong. In a gun fight or a comp. your going to be tensing up your arm and it will cramp over time.

@Richard-md3gi

6 жыл бұрын

FN45Tactical suppressed false... My ARpistol is 100% fired from the shoulder and never gets tiring or crampy...bruising does occur but thats just how it goes.

I can understand why, its gonna make the brace look a lot like a stock. but its still stupid. if you're gonna illegally make an sbr, you're just gonna put a stock on it.

I purchase a Shockwave Blade last year and a buttpad you are talking about. I purchased the buttpad on eBay that was made on one of the new printers. It was very simple and was designed just like yours except being all plastic without the o rings to keep it in the blade. I was concerned about the legal aspect of the buttpad and sold both together. The buyer agreed about the legal aspect.

i dont think people understand that the only reason the atf agreed that pistol braces werent stocks even if shouldered is BECAUSE it is not a comfortable form of shooting and was never designed for that purpose redesigning in any way to increase comfort then changes the purpose from stable one hand shooting to comfortable two hand shooting......

@wesrausch3452

6 жыл бұрын

Correll Rambo we shouldn’t have to go through this bullshit anyways. The NFA is the worst gun control act ever created

@9999plato

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it is what it is until people gather enough political support. Sadly the odd and occasional multiple shooting of non minority kids ( more kids probably drown in pools in a summer month but that doesnt get any press) always gets massive media attention and kills any hops of millions of safe citizens from having their rights fully returned to them. Notice how nobody cares when 60 people get shot in Democraticly controlled, anti gun law Chicago, but nobody cares. A clear example on how gun control is a total failure as an anti crime policy. It's a total farce.

Remember the first 2 rules of Fight Club

@TRIIGGAVELLI

5 жыл бұрын

Tell all your friends, right? I'm new my first meeting is Thursday. You should come. It's called Fight club.

@TooManyChoices1

3 жыл бұрын

@@TRIIGGAVELLI LMAO 😂

ATF = Gestopo.

Been looking for one of these for my Diamondback Ar Pistol, thanks for the link, going to order it Monday, cool video 👍🏽👍🏽

@universallaw8850

6 жыл бұрын

BrownPridePower#1 I'm ordering 1 also this product will make the blade 100 times more comfy to shoot.

Who cares what the ATF says?? It's for sale finally, that's what matters!

Suck though it may, even a blind man could see that coming.

Costs more than the blade itself- unbelievable 🙄

@HarleyWood23

6 жыл бұрын

It’s CNC’d aluminum, not injection molded plastic. Always gonna cost more.

So If I glue a piece of yoga mat on a shockwave blade, the ATF will come to shoot my dog?

@mikecunningham3423

3 жыл бұрын

@Dissident Aggressor well his hands are in the air

@beandrive

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and just for fun, they will throw in some "smoke bombs" in your house and burn it down.

first the endplate was intended to help keep ar pistol from sliding when standing up against wall or a rack or in gun cabinet or safe second the endplate is not perminatly attached to shockwave pistol brace like by screw its only held in place by O-rings wich means easly detaches by pulling off or can be detached by getting caught on something

No ones going to stop you for having that on your pistol, most people won't even notice its there.

@nrm3247

6 жыл бұрын

no ones gonna stop you for lack of an sbr tax stamp either. its just an added charge they tag you with if youre arrested for something involving the gun. the atf isnt trolling gun ranges looking for nfa violations.

@Kuhlgelblitz

6 жыл бұрын

nrm3247 a lot of indoor ranges (atleast in my state) have range Nazi's that look over your guns. When I went shooting with my friends at their local indoor range, the range officer nearly shit his pants when he watched me install a suppressor on my AR. Halted all shooting and made a scene of it. When I handed him a copy of my paper work, he sat down and read over it. Dude acted like I was trying to get caught with a fake tax stamp. When he was all said and done he hovered around me the whole time I was there. Needless to say I am never setting foot in that facility again.

@nrm3247

6 жыл бұрын

your stamp is none of his f#$%ing business. i would have told him to pound sand before i showed him shit. id offer to leave or continue shooting while they contacted their local batf office since they felt a crime was being committed. that guy needs some lessons in range etiquette. if im being safe and we arent pals then f$#% off unless you wanna talk guns like normal people. ar15 + indoor range = pointless. id never spend my money there again.

@Kuhlgelblitz

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah AR-15's at indoor ranges is stupid. My friends wanted to go shooting but it was the middle of winter.

@Kuhlgelblitz

6 жыл бұрын

I don't want trouble at my door step. It's in Wisconsin, I'll give you that much.

Real pro 2nd gun owners just throw a real stock on and call it a day..

Constructive possession, constructive possession, constructive possession!!!! Hahahahaha Keep up the great videos!

@HarleyWood23

7 жыл бұрын

lol. thanks man. knew someone would do it.

it doesn't change the function of it at all thats stupid

The words you used from :38 are the reason why, The brace is for a pistol not a rifle.

@Hawhyin69

7 жыл бұрын

Ok well no one uses these "braces" like they were "intended" for.

@anan0moose

7 жыл бұрын

True, but by referring to it as a rifle shows intent to create an unregistered sbr.

@Hawhyin69

7 жыл бұрын

From a logical standpoint a pistol with a brace is the same thing as an sbr. The NFA is bullshit and the whole SBR/pistol debacle is all formed around intent. Which intent is one thing you cant prove.

@anan0moose

7 жыл бұрын

I don't disagree with you, The NFA and the Hughs amendment are unconstitutional, but that device is too blatantly obvious for lawyers to argue that it's main purpose is to aid in single handed shooting.

I know everyone talks about this 'shouldering' issue a lot, but can anyone cite one prosecution from the ATF for it? I have never heard of one. I have never even heard of a stand alone 'constructive possession' arrest or citation. What I have heard is this law, and others like it, are there to use as "secondary" citations or arrests ... meaning, once they arrest for a larger, more offensive, violation they will tack on secondary violations like "constructive possession" of a 2 oz aluminum asshole cover for your AR pistol brace. My point? We might be making too big of a deal from all this. But, what do I know.

If you glue or nail the "Blade Protector" to a shelf, is it still "Constructive Possession"?

@jacobgentile3351

6 жыл бұрын

By atf standard you’d have to pin & weld that bitch

Talking about braces while wearing braces 😂

@HarleyWood23

5 жыл бұрын

HaHa. Nice. 👍🏻

@ryanlee3228

5 жыл бұрын

Don't talk about people's teeth, thats not something they can control, especially if their parents couldn't affordability when they were younger braces so) way to be an ass hole

@CGFIELDS

5 жыл бұрын

ryan lee Must be speaking about yourself miss sensitivity 😘

I've got reciprocating charging handles semi automatic firearms and also own shoelaces. Guess that means I have constructive intent to make a machine gun. Sorry doggo.

I didn't know how Rogan had a gun channel 😬😂👍👌👌

I use a blade on a rifle (18” barrel) I’ve never really felt any discomfort , but this seems pretty ok.

Well no shit. Sure, its going to make the brace a much better shoulder stock, but no one shoudl be surprised thats exactly how the atf sees it.

Do criminals also pay tax stamps?

@DemetrioXavier69

5 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyrichardson2841 you still catch my drift about how pointless laws can be. And all gun laws are unconstitutional anyway so yeah :/

@DemetrioXavier69

5 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyrichardson2841 we should own anything we want as long as we have the money. After all we needed an entire navy to counter the Brits.

@DemetrioXavier69

5 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyrichardson2841 I just love freedom :/

@KPeteE

5 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyrichardson2841 if my neighbor had any of those, then I would have to freedom to own them as well so chances are we wouldn't be using them against each other. You seem a little extreme or somewhat paranoid. Most of our gun laws are infringement on our rights to bear legally and only effect law abiding gun owners. Criminals still get whatever weapons they want whenever they want regardless of what any law says. Gun control advocates are missing the fact that they are not stopping any crimes and with every passing gun law are making us more and more easier targets, actually increasing the crime rate. Question is, are they making an unrealized mistake or is everything going exactly as planned?

@DemetrioXavier69

5 жыл бұрын

@@KPeteE basically the authoritarians use the excuse of the events of active shooting to push their gun grabbing agenda further into our asses. In the other side people die all the time of other causes too. And we live in a world where we aren't robots but have free will to do or kill as we please regardless of law. I know there will be that one asshole with the gun. But oh well shit happens man and gotta be prepared to live in a free gun ownership nation. Either way is to take all guns away which it won't happen or take away all gun laws. There's no middle ground between guns and infringing laws combined. Like water and oil. The authoritarians simply want to harass us and discourage us from fully exercising our rights.

As I thought - five years later in 2022 and IC13 never convinced ATF to approve it for pistol use. Not surprising as it's obviously a shoulder pad enabling shouldering the brace much more comfortably in spite of what the company attempted to call it. IC13 wasn't the only company attempting to pull a fast one with fin brace pads, touting them as protecting the fin from damage. Now we have ATF declaring war on braced pistols with evaluation rules currently slated to go be published December 2022 with an effective date in early 2023 (as of August 2022). It's clear the ATF has seen pistol braces being widely used as shoulder stocks, and under the current Biden & DoJ Garland administration they want to put an end to braced pistols by any means possible. Go through the proposed ATF 4999 and it's difficult to pass -- although possible -- but the most popular pair of braces -- cuff style -- won't.

@foreststeel8842

Жыл бұрын

1 month into 2023 and they are getting out right completely banned on any pistol

@Sparks52

Жыл бұрын

​@@foreststeel8842 Pistol braces aren't 100% completely banned according to ATF. We'll have to see if any do survive their technical evaluation scrutiny as they start rounding up anyone who posted any photos or videos proving they have -- or had one -- within the past decade -- kicking their doors down at 3 AM with no-knocks and stun grenades, killing their dogs, mowing down their kids and wives, and razing their homes down to the foundation . . . because that's what the ATF does. I've little doubt they've been making their hit lists since January 2021. They salivate with Pavlovian Responses at the prospect of it. They're awarded medals and promotions for it based on the level of death and destruction they wreak.

Why is it illegal to install this pad on a shockwave when the sba3 has a rubber pad on the end of it?

If they had made a circular plug to block debris from getting in the tube, they would have no problem. This however is clearly designed to make shouldering a pistol brace more comfortable and thus it is a remanufacture of the part creating a SBR.

@HarleyWood23

5 жыл бұрын

So you agree that the SBR should be regulated but a pistol variant is somehow harmless? You support the NFA?

@starhawke380

5 жыл бұрын

@@HarleyWood23 never said I agree or disagree with the law itself, just the atf interpretation of it as it stands. I'm not dumb enough to post comments on a public forum contrary to people likely to storm my house.

@HarleyWood23

5 жыл бұрын

starhawke380 Just interesting how your initial comment sided with the atf...not the stupidity of the law.

@Matt9s

5 жыл бұрын

@@HarleyWood23 he didn't take a side. He explained why this device conflicts with the ATFs regulation of the blade as a brace.

@HarleyWood23

5 жыл бұрын

Matthew Neyens It’s complacency like that that got us here though. Explaining why this violates the NFA won’t get anything changed. Instead comment how stupid the NFA is and how we should be pushing for a repeal.

I thought the ATF said you are allowed to shoulder it now. What's the deal?

@HotSizzleTV_

7 жыл бұрын

Dick Douglas you can

@HarleyWood23

7 жыл бұрын

it's not illegal. I said that at the 2:28 mark of the video.

@ZAPSquad-rb3hj

7 жыл бұрын

I think they're pretty much now saying you can't shoulder it "on purpose"...but it's "ok" if it happens to touch your shoulder unintentionally. It's bs no matter how you look at it.

@henneclimbs1989

7 жыл бұрын

The law isn't about how you use the weapon. It's about WHAT the weapon actually is by the letter of the law. You can shoulder a "pistol" because it doesn't become a rifle in the eyes of the law by the way you use it. Hence, the "protector" is deemed a "remanufacturing" of the shockwave blade and thus creates a new weapon which is an SBR in the eyes of the law.

Dont make mistake to sbr your pistols. Cant have them chambered, cant travel without outrageous paper work and numerous phone calls. In some states u cant even own one.

@deadheart556

6 жыл бұрын

spoke1183 you get it SBRs are cool but the pistol is the way to go

Sorry but anyone complaining that shooting with the Blade hurt them needs to grow up. I don’t come home from shooting till I’ve got some bruises to show for it.

@HarleyWood23

6 жыл бұрын

Anyone who talks shit in KZread comments needs to grow up.

@MaxHeadspace9mm

6 жыл бұрын

HarleyWood23 You just confirmed my point that you are too sensitive. Ease up bro.

@HarleyWood23

6 жыл бұрын

+Max Headspace9mm Don’t give yourself too much credit. You can’t bother me. I just find it funny that you talk about folks needing to grow up while you’re talking childish trash in KZread comments. If it makes you feel big, rock on.

@MaxHeadspace9mm

6 жыл бұрын

HarleyWood23 You’re right. Sorry man

@homefront3162

6 жыл бұрын

Max Headspace9mm unless you are shooting a HV .458 Socom

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Fucking blow me gov. where do I buy one?

@prepared2thrive101

6 жыл бұрын

Link in the description. Oh yeah! 👊🏻