"Nothing is a complete game. Everything is DLC"

@ahmedz7414

7 жыл бұрын

Pancakes On Rage Best Comment

@matthijsvancampen7901

7 жыл бұрын

Pancakes On Rage the creed must fill their pockets

@tpfaff

7 жыл бұрын

Not allowed to have that profile picture anymore @PancakesOnRage . That guys cancer just turned terminal :(

@djoakeydoakey1076

7 жыл бұрын

Modern Warfare: Remastercard - Jim Sterling

@omahabibblemaddox2181

7 жыл бұрын

Pancakes on Rage made me immediately think Bulls on Parade. Is coincidence?

Ezio explains the meaning of it all to Sofia by saying: Sofia: You mentioned a Creed before. What is it? Ezio: Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Sofia: That is rather cynical. Ezio: It would be if it were doctrine. But it is merely an observation of the nature of reality. To say that nothing is true, is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say that everything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.

@36inc

7 жыл бұрын

I remember that part- a clever way to make the distinction make sense in the narratrive

@NextGenVixen

7 жыл бұрын

At the end of Assassin's Creed, Altair states "Nothing is impossible, Everything is possible" as his understanding of the ideology. It's a shame neither of these interpretations/explanations were mentioned in the video

@TheSonicZero

7 жыл бұрын

NextGenVixen Probably because either would disprove his point and make the entire video pointless

@raro344

7 жыл бұрын

No is that explanation pretty much undermines the entire mantra by revealing is not a mantra but some sort of weird warning about themselves, the game strugle between them murdering people and being good

@JewTube001

7 жыл бұрын

But how are you living with the consequences if nothing is true. This logic undermines itself.

"To recognize that nothing is true and everything is permitted, that laws arise not from divinity but from reason, I understand now that our creed does not command us to be free, it commands us to be wise. " - Altair

@bonbonbot8444

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus Jimenez they did tried to explain the meaning in lot of places .. but this video include none of them :/ .. like in ac 1 as your comment says and also in AC R..

@Guciom

5 жыл бұрын

Now read that out loud and notice how it makes little to no sense beyond "I do whatever i want!".

@360.Tapestry

5 жыл бұрын

@@Guciom because i am soooooo wise and everyone else is sheep lol

@TrainingMacro

5 жыл бұрын

@@Guciom it is about doing whatever you want, as long as you're willing to live with the consequences. "Nothing is true" refers to the inability of a human to KNOW reality, the human can only perceive it and thus his own truth will never be the actual truth; no matter how close it may seem. "Everything is permitted" refers to the inability for any entity to bind a being's actions. Most countries have a speeding limit, but you can still speed. There's laws against killing and murder but you can still do exactly those things. Of course a certain group of people might come after you afterwards, but you already did what you set out to do. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" is not necessarily a code or mantra the assassins follow, but rather an understanding of the truth of the world and how it functions. You should always ask yourself as to how sure you are how well you've perceived reality and you should always ask yourself if your actions will have your desired outcome. Sometimes you will have to take actions outside the law and moral statutes to get an ethically or morally justified outcome (for example going through a red light to let the ambulance behind you pass). In short, as Altair has said, the assassin's creed commands you to be wise, to understand that your actions have consequences and that by binding yourself you may eventually undo your good efforts. As for anyone wondering about the Templar vs Assassin's thing, the Templar have a fascist-communist nature whereas the Assassins have a libertarian nature (in the game). Where the Templar focus on the bad thoughts of free men, the Assassins focus on the good thoughts of free men. Hence the Templar seek to silence free thought among men by enforcing order, where as the Assassins seek to promote free thought by enforcing peace. This is why the two organisations are at odds with eachother: one is killing humans for wrongthink and the other chases that organisation down to kill the killer. This is why Ezio most notably pretty much rolled into the brotherhood as he was hunting down the killers of innocents as an act of revenge. Most other Assassin's that rolled into the organisation have had a similar path with Altair being the exception. And Altair had the biggest issues coming to understand why he was an Assassin and what his organisation did in the first place. AC1 spent the entire game establishing why Assassin's existed and why they separated themselves from the Templar. Altair ended up defining the course of the brotherhood after doing his best to understand what made an Assassin different from a Templar and as such Assassin's left their headquarters and became small (familial) units all over the world, working only where necessary. In comparison, the Templar organisation is never at peace and will always organize to subvert other people, they still have headquarters up to this day (in the game) and still don't shy away from murdering those that are not involved in any form of conflict in an attempt to achieve total order. And throughout history there are both Assassins and Templars have realized that neither goal of complete freedom nor of complete order was achievable... as was visible with Altair marrying Maria and Arno being with Elise; as well as their respective local chapters trying to work together, before one of the two had a mutiny going on at the hands of Juno's sage. These types of relationships are also there to demonstrate that not every conflict has to be solved with death even though it is the option we usually tend to see.

@travtastic4750

3 жыл бұрын

This is the EXACT quote I was thinking of.

I think the fact that the Templars and the Assassins are so similar is done on purpose. It's meant to show 2 sides of the same coin, AKA different interpretations of the mantra "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted". One side sees this as the reason why society should be controlled; in order to prevent chaos. The other sees it as the reason to why people should be free; to prevent manipulation through order.

@ExatedWarrior

7 жыл бұрын

It is done on purpose, when you have characters literally saying "we want the same thing" and have this argued between characters for the entire game you obviously have a point being made. This video didn't properly acknowledge the purpose of it at all.

@puertoricannani

6 жыл бұрын

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@Whofan06

6 жыл бұрын

The mantra doesn't sound like a vague "can be interpreted as good or evil" phrase, it just sounds straight up "who gives a shit I can do what I want". even if it can be interpreted otherwise, it takes more steps to get to the good guy version than it does to get to the bad guy one, so it doesn't work the way it should. That's what you get for using the mantra of an outright antagonist, that's a lot more groundwork to lay to set up such a complicated philosophical conflict because it doesn't start in good's favor.

@arlom5132

6 жыл бұрын

Way I see it, the Templars represent the extreme right wing, Fascism, and the Assassins represent the extreme left wing, Anarchism. There's actually a lot of lore about politics in Assassin's Creed.

@kharijordan6426

6 жыл бұрын

unknowmeimgui oh...i just left the same comment. lol

There's something you aren't quite getting, the reason the mantra works is because the assassins are NOT good guys. In Assassin's Creed 2 Ezio finds secret documents written by Altair. Most people just skip over reading these documents as they aren't important to the plot. They DO however, dive deeply into the psyche of an aged Master Assassin, facing his mortality. In the documents Altair describes how they are morally grey; good people, doing bad things, and that although this is a noble cause, it's still a broken method, but the only one available as the templars would corrupt or destroy any truly virtuous attempts at peace. And it isn't just the Assassins who are morally grey, even their rivals, the Templars actually have a good apple or two. Yes, the more recent games have painted them as mad scientsts, psychopaths, and Corprate Fat Cats, but in the very first game, Warren Vidic (Templar and lead scientist) states that the assassins and templars are after the same thing; Peace in all things. Even their tactics are well aligned. Subterfuge, political favor, assassination, and social manipulation. The only difference being their final means of attaining this shared goal freedom or control. And finally there's the mantra itself. In AC Revelation, aged Ezio is speaking to his future wife Sofia, who, just as you have, initially interprets the phrase as nihilistic permission, but Ezio explains that, to say Nothing is true is to say that society is fragile, because it is built on our perceptions of Morality. And to say that everything is permitted, is to say that you always have the choice to act on your own perception rather than another's. To Summarize, no one is good nor bad. And morality, altough subjective to the individual, is still real.

@wjpmitchell3

7 жыл бұрын

The phrase still makes no sense in the context of the games, though. It's not that they don't have a philosophy; it's just that there's a disconnect between actions and words. The significant issue is that the logical, literal interpretation of those words in that order don't match up to that philosophy. There are much more accurate and succinct ways to phrase that. It's fine if the story is "Look at this organization that's not what you really think it is." I think that the Farcry games do a pretty good job of that, but the AC games never take that final step to say either "Everything is shit and you can't trust anyone" or "These two organizations are equally bad and good". Each ends up, "Yeah these people from the Assassins/Templars really sucked/weren't bad, but the sides don't really change much." There's no real advancement as a result of the revelations.

@Kazuma11290

7 жыл бұрын

Billy Mitchell There's plenty of connection. the mantra reveals the state of the world and with this knowledge the assassins work to make it better. Sure, the phrase doesn't directly tell you the goal of the assassins, but that's the best part. Even if you're not an assassin you can still hear the phrase, mull it over, and if you are of a keen mind you'll realize it's meaning. and if you are righteous as well then you will act to correct the world, hopefully in some way other than political assassination.

@kirilmitrev8391

7 жыл бұрын

what if assasins say this phrase not becose they beleve in this but becose templers are the one who use it like a way of life and assasins are repithing it to remember why they are fighting for

@Kazuma11290

7 жыл бұрын

Interesting thought, but not quite right. See, multiple times in the series it's shown that the Templars like to use religion as a means of control and deception. To reflect that, they have adopted their own saying; May the father of understanding guide us. Obviously it's more vague, simple, and has a religious overtone, making it easier to understand and more "acceptable" to a person who hears this, opposed to one who's heard the Assassin's phrase.

@IncoherentRampage

7 жыл бұрын

I think the similarities between the two groups is best shown when you play the intro of AC3: you think you're an Assassin, since you go through THE EXACT SAME METHODS, but then the realization comes that you're a Templar.

what are you talking about every AC game explores and questions the creed all the time AC1: Altair is enslaved by the creed AC2: Ezio re-dsicovers and re-defines the creed Ac3: Connor sees the creed from the outside Ac4: Edward questions the creed Ac Unity: Arno challenges the creed AC Sydicate: Modernize the creed Also it is never stated in the AC games that the assassins are the good guys, rather the opposite. That nether the assassins nor the templars are good, only have different methods to achive their philosophy

@rhetiq9989

7 жыл бұрын

Don't forget AC Rogue : Shay wrecks the creed

@MarkFilipAnthony

7 жыл бұрын

Marvellizor 99 no shay gets corrupted by it, as he suffers arguably more than any other characters by it

@Levyathyn

7 жыл бұрын

It's like this. Both sides of this endless war want humans to be better, more mindful, less warlike, and more productive people. The Templars are fine MAKING this happen--the Assassins want people to want to be better themselves. And that's about what it boils down to; at the end of the day, the Assassins just have faith that humans can choose the better path on their own, and that they deserve the right to fail or succeed on their own merits. The Templars have no such faith.

@Just2Awesom

7 жыл бұрын

Modernize*

@otherdrummer5409

7 жыл бұрын

Altair also redefined the creed.

I agree on a lot of what you are saying. But I disagree on a core point you make. I think the story is much more interesting and logical precisely BECAUSE the philosophies of the assassins and the templars are so much alike. This is something we see a lot in history. Religions that are almost identical, but where, seemingly, a small detail starts huge wars.

@gianfrancosalas1411

2 жыл бұрын

Five years late to this comment, but I couldn’t agree more. The similarities of the Assassins’ Creed is the same justification that the templars use to justify control. The more recent games go to show that, which is also something stated later in the video.

@brendansunra

7 ай бұрын

​@@gianfrancosalas1411AC1 made a whole point about how the Assassins and Templars are after peace above all else. The only difference is that the Templars believe people must be controlled to achieve peace, while the Assassins believe true peace can only be achieved through free will.

@wowwar2

4 ай бұрын

That would have been cool if the main character was acting as a third party between both and got to choose a side. but because you always play as an assasssin, the game has gotta try and make you agree with them over the templars.

If a movie lives or dies by it narrative, then tell me why there are 5 Transformers movies?

@rohailsheikh9105

6 жыл бұрын

Grunt Because, money that's why.

@360.Tapestry

5 жыл бұрын

because michael bay creates superficial and annoying characters, but he orchestrates spectacular and amazing chaos

@Catgodray

4 жыл бұрын

Chicks with dicks

@jonathanortiz6212

4 жыл бұрын

China

@MrJonniman007

4 жыл бұрын

because it reflects the deeply underlyi-*BOOOM*

"Nothing is developed. Everything is wrong."

@themaverick7514

7 жыл бұрын

YoungTheFish nothing is a complete game. everything is dlc

@99sins

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing is tested. Everything is bugged.

@jintsuubest9331

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing is completed. Everything is Beta.

@caylumking901

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing is finished. Everything will be patched in later

@Grizabeebles

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing is False. Everything is binding.

The Assasin's Mantra is pretty well explained in the ending to Revelations.

@MrSuha98

7 жыл бұрын

Ezio explains the meaning of it all to Sofia by saying: Sofia: You mentioned a Creed before. What is it? Ezio: Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Sofia: That is rather cynical. Ezio: It would be if it were doctrine. But it is merely an observation of the nature of reality. To say that nothing is true, is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say that everything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.

@wophful

7 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest we know they were really like "Assassins said it??!? PUT IT IN THE GAME!!!"

@Mhn23x

7 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! I waited to see this in the video from the very beginning, but they never mentioned it....

@MrSuha98

7 жыл бұрын

It was pretty bothersome to be honest. The entire analisis of that line falls flat if you don't listen to how Ezio explains it, because it changes everything. It is not a dogma.

@Mhn23x

7 жыл бұрын

Yep, I agree. Still, I think they should have definitely mentioned in this video

I think that you've stumbled upon the fact that I've known for a long time: that the entire series is built upon grey areas. Nobody is truly good, or evil, in this series.

@MilA-eh3gf

4 жыл бұрын

With only very basic knowledge of the games (I've never played it), while watching this video I thought to myself that the blurring of the lines between protagonist and antagonist described by Wisecrack sounds very deliberate; it was designed so to send aus precisely the message you commented here. I was waiting for Jared to state this point the entire video but then the video just ended without it...

this video ignored how it was explained in the end of Revelation...

@thelinedrive

6 жыл бұрын

Prince Sheogorath and the clear divergent point of the philosophy’s original interpretation in the climax of AC1.

@milowolfface9392

6 жыл бұрын

Prince Sheogorath Or in Black flag. Or Revelations. The Black Flag one is just outright dumb that they miss. Fucking Edward, the main character, sees it as a reason to do as he wishes only to have a conversation that addresses the "criticism" in this video. Like wtf? How did you miss that? It's like you guys took a popular IP and made a video about it without actually playing them. I don't normally hate on videos, but damn this got under my skin and went over there heads.

@Fif0l

5 жыл бұрын

@kgbme You can't look at AC game mechanics and conclude "therefore the philosophy presented doesn't make sense". As for this video, it's a simple concept: if you don't have the time to do deep research about the topic at hand, just like he did with all his other videos, don't make the video. Edit: guy did pholosophy of deadpool, so there you go, if he could be serious with that, why not with AC?

The way I see it is that the Assassins creed universe has no clear defining portrayal of good and bad and I think that's what makes it so interesting. The only point in the series where the Templars actually seem like *The* bad guys are II and Brotherhood with the Borgias. The Templars later see this and call it a dark time in their order. Some can also see the lack of defined morality in the game as a reflection of today, or even ideologies as a whole. Each side believe they are the good side helping humanity whether it be guiding them into a more United civilization under the single rule of Templars or a free civilization controlled by the people. The point is, when it comes to differing ideologies (especially when considering the assassins and Templars) you can't distinguish morality between them because at the end followers of said ideology(or at least most) believe that their side is the right side and what they're doing is to further their *righteous* cause no matter how moral it is. Shaun points this out in assassins creed II in some dialogue between Desmond, Rebecca, and himself saying even if they believe they're fighting for what's right they're still doing morally questionable actions such as murder and assassination. Shaun points out the hilarity of Desmond(or Rebecca I forget) calling the assassins the good guys when they commit actions such as assassination. I know it may not be clear but I believe the game tries to point out that in any point in history morality or good and evil isn't defined by what is right or what is good or evil rather it is defined by ideology.

@ericadouglas1008

7 жыл бұрын

it is interesting to have blurred lines and explore how much free will vs control actually benefits people. the problem is when they both execute their ideals in the same way so that I do not know which is which (ie that AC3 fooled us into thinking a templar was an assassin so easily) and do not care who wins, that's bad storytelling. if both sides us the same means to their end, it is not clearly defined why we should give a crap, and that's not so bad in games but is death to a movie.

@SaintsBro217

7 жыл бұрын

Erica Douglas Actually, it's fantastic writing. Having the same generic "good vs. evil" tropes is an incredibly narrow-minded and unrealistic portrayal of moral conflict. To create a truly unique story, you need to make your audience question whom to allign their alliances with, you need to propose a complex narrative in order to get the audience to think more about the world they're witnessing in comparison to the world they really do live in. If you can't engage yourself in a morally grey circumstance, then you're the exact kind of person these stories criticise.

@servoaugusta513

7 жыл бұрын

If the ways have have been shown to be extremely effective and you know the other side is doing it why would you intentionally handicap yourself?

I think it would be cool if you guys did the philosophy of Avatar! Not the one from James Cameron.

@tincano-beans2114

7 жыл бұрын

Julia Wakabara Romualdo it would take a bit of effort and isn't popular as of now. they'd have to work for views

@lucidopticlab2373

7 жыл бұрын

Avatar would be great! Should be a deep well for them to draw from. I would guess they haven't seen Avatar yet because it would have worked its way onto the channel by now if they were fans.

@daniellanders9825

7 жыл бұрын

Or The Last Airbender: What Went Wrong.

@106die

7 жыл бұрын

The Last Airbender: What Went Wrong short answer everything

@KannyKat

7 жыл бұрын

Any channel has to manage views, so even if they have watched it they might believe it won't really get many people watching.

The Alamut movie, directed by Christopher Nolan would be amazing

@Thedarkknight2244

5 жыл бұрын

Bobna Von Victorsteyn true that, an Alamut movie would be epic. It would be relevant to today’s politics while shining a light onto the demonised religion of Islam. Terrorism and public shootings: make a movie about a man that wants to use that to his will.

@dracgoz

3 жыл бұрын

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@gabbar51ngh

3 жыл бұрын

It should be a series instead

8:36 Talks about hassan shows a picture of saladin. it's just like if i talk about boba fett and show a picture of obi wan kenobi

@C_501st

4 жыл бұрын

"look, it's a badass bounty hunter!" *Shows pic of the high ground*

12:15 Actually, that's why all movies based on video games fail.

@jessiehuynh7495

7 жыл бұрын

Prince of Persia was a good film with a solid plot in my opinion the only good video game movie

@ajs7007

7 жыл бұрын

Jessie Huynh agreed

@EvilParagon2

7 жыл бұрын

The problem isn't that a person would rather be doing it themselves, it's that movies don't know when to differentiate game mechanics from the general universe. Climbing buildings and doing leaps of faith are interesting to play, but not to watch, but let me tell you this, do we have to see them climbing buildings? Do we have to see them jump off? The Assassin's Creed universe is so dense with stuff they could pull from that a movie _could_ be good. Think about the Assassin's Creed universe compared to Fast and Furious. AC clearly has the bigger and more interesting universe, but F&F 1-7 are all much more interesting to watch. A movie can be made on barely any lore, but the problem is when directors and writers take game mechanics as lore instead of just leaving them as game mechanics.

@JAlonge017

7 жыл бұрын

is this true? video games based on movies often times suck ass.

@WeebMasterYoda

7 жыл бұрын

I think the problem with video game movies is that they have to fit a +10 hour game into a 2-3 hour film.

I'll tell you what went wrong.The movie focused on the romance between Cal and Sofia.That went wrong.

@goodwind3190

7 жыл бұрын

akita 143 There was a romance subplot?

@MajesticJoey

7 жыл бұрын

akita 143 I reckon the movie was good.. I really enjoyed it lol

@Childishxmarkeeloo

7 жыл бұрын

akita 143 hell naw their was never a romance subplot between them EVER in the movie and I know it's my favorite movie

@Gamingturtle090

7 жыл бұрын

akita 143 didn't really i haven't seen it but i read the scriptor it reads "all video game movies are bad" so i never wanted to see it

I think what's good about the game's narrative is the ambiguity of good and evil. I don't know why you want the narrative to be black and white while the reality of this world is neither. Assassin's Creed games don't have that superior gameplay but rather a good storyline, atleast thats the reason I play it. If I want a good gameplay I go for Skyrim, DarkSouls... I will leave you with this conversation with Altair and Al-Moualem from the first game: What is the truth?’ he asked. ‘We place faith in ourselves,’ replied Altaïr (...) ‘We see the world as it really is, and hope that one day all mankind might see the same.’ ‘What is the world, then?’ ‘An illusion,’ replied Altaïr. ‘One we can either submit to - as most do - or transcend.’ ‘And what is it to transcend?’ 'To recognize that laws arise not from divinity, but reason. I understand now that our Creed does not command us to be free.’ And suddenly he really did understand. ‘It commands us to be wise'.

@denglong7180

7 жыл бұрын

Ahmad Fakih you do know the story went downhill after AC4.

@ahmadfakih3451

7 жыл бұрын

Denglong yes I totally Agree.

@Skallva

6 жыл бұрын

Oh, you must've angered a lot of Dark Souls fans saying you don't care about the lore...

@Mar184

6 жыл бұрын

I was going to quote exactly this excerpt, answers everything they didn't get in the video. Thank you.

@GrayFoxHound9

5 жыл бұрын

@@Skallva and TES fans for "good gameplay"

Really? They explained it in the games that their motto is meant to stress personal responsibility and how deceptive the world is, more of a warning about their job than a set of rules to follow. And the assassins and templars being very similar except for how they choose to execute their shared goal has been a running theme since the first game, which has resulted in some pretty interesting story telling. Speaking of which, the games are known for their narratives and well-written characters (well, mostly well-written. They've had some pretty bad stinkers, too), so the argument that the games succeed because the movie focussed too much on the narrative is B.S.

@vicosilme

6 жыл бұрын

Well said. I was disappointed in this video. Because of our free will, we must not stop at what the world present us as true, and we can do anything we want but the outcome is all our responsibility. And the games are super fun because you get to travel around the world and in time. The narrative makes you curious about history. And when you finally get to be in Florence, well, I cried xD

there is an explanation for the mantra in the end of ac unity: "The Creed of the Assassin Brotherhood teaches us that nothing is forbidden to us. Once, I thought that meant we were free to do as we would. To pursue our ideals, no matter the cost. I understand now. Not a grant of permission. The Creed is a warning. Ideals too easily give way to dogma. Dogma becomes fanaticism. No higher power sits in judgement of us. No supreme being watches to punish us for our sins. In the end, only we ourselves can guard against our obsessions. Only we can decide whether the road we walk carries too high a toll. We believe ourselves redeemers, avengers, saviours. We make war on those who oppose us, and they in turn make war on us. We dream of leaving our stamp upon the world... even as we give our lives in a conflict that will be recorded in no history book. All that we do, all that we are, begins and ends with ourselves" you didn't really talk about that quote in the video.. why?

Yes the movie was god awful but if you have played all the games, you'd realize that that's the point of the series is that the line between good and evil is blurred and it all depends on what time frame you are in to who is good and evil and who you are playing as

@johngard15

7 жыл бұрын

and this video points out that the connecting philosophy through all the games isn't a conflict of good vs evil moral ambiguity, but that assassins and templars alike are puppets to meaningless ideologies.

@johngard15

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Travis, and Wisecrack is saying AC misses the point because the philosophy it's based on isn't about good vs evil

@Fabelaz

7 жыл бұрын

Tiki 9820 It's like democrats and conservatives.

@mythic_omen948

7 жыл бұрын

Tiki 9820 so basically, Shay Cormac from AC: Rogue made a good choice

@servoaugusta513

7 жыл бұрын

But they're clearly not basing it off the literal message from that The Assasains may use the words but it's established their meaning and interpretation of it is widly different from their source material

Nothing is true everything is permitted: that should be the beginning of wisdom not the end of it. ~ Edward Kenway AC Black Flag

"Everything is permitted" YOU HAVE KILLED TOO MANY CIVILIANS. RIP LAST 10 MINUTES OF YOUR SAVE.

@Gnidel

3 жыл бұрын

Be more creative. I remember drowning civilians in AC2.

the Templars are the bad guys and the Assassin are also the bad guys they just don't want the Templars to win

@emZee1994

7 жыл бұрын

benjamin carmona lol basically he whole series in a few words

I actually find it cool that both sides are supposedly opposites, but are actually pretty similar

@zorex.

7 жыл бұрын

what they want is the same its just the means that they go about it is what makes them fight. the templars are not trying to enslave humanity. they strive towards order and peace, and the templars are not individually evil (both sides are neither good nor evil

@dannybenhur6123

6 жыл бұрын

Ariana This part is embraced in Assassin's creed Rogue that neither is black and white but a grey area....

@mayureshjog5450

6 жыл бұрын

Difference is the Aim of doing all this.....Order or Freedom...

@360.Tapestry

5 жыл бұрын

american's creed

@360.Tapestry

5 жыл бұрын

@@mayureshjog5450 there is only the illusion of freedom, so it's between order or chaos

Nothing is true; everything is permitted. Ezio explains what he believes it to mean, when his lover says that it is rather cynical: "It would be if it were doctrine. But it is merely an observation of the nature of reality. To say that nothing is true, is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say that everything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic."

Although I agree that the game and movie didn't do a great job at explaining the motto (Ezio explains it to Sofia in ACR though), I hardly believe that's where they went wrong. And the good guys and bad guys both having the same motto isn't necessarily bad, on the contrary, challenges the player to think about his actions and whether we've been playing the bad guy all along, AC3 pulled off the plot twist perfectly (unfortunately the game becomes rubbish after that, character and lore-wise). It seems quite obvious to me that the movie failed because it tried to be everything the games originally were in less than 2h which is obviously impossible. It's not a bad movie, it just lacks a little bit of everything imo.

@AmateurContendr

6 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking.

@arcspark4937

6 жыл бұрын

When you go on to playing Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag though, it gives us an answer that most people never really considered. On one of the last sequences of the game when Edward Kenway is walking around on the Assassin temple grounds with the mentor of that area, he comes to the realization that "Nothing is True and Everything is Permitted" is simply the first step to wisdom, not its final form.

@Aditya-wc9sw

6 жыл бұрын

True😥 the game has become shit nowadays

@7DaltonDoms7

6 жыл бұрын

No the game has always been shit, you don't have to think about your actions as morally wrong because both of the competing ideologies are morally bankrupt. A game like Spec Ops The Line actually confronts you with the twist whereas AC3's twist merely proves that the Templars and assassins are the Eurasia and Europa of this thinly stretched tapestry.

@argelisplanchart9438

6 жыл бұрын

Well why don't you go and eat shit?

I forgot this movie ever happened.

@mbanerjee5889

7 жыл бұрын

so did everyone else, it's a repressed the memory now.

@StudlyFudd13

7 жыл бұрын

I never watched it

@someonethirsty1957

7 жыл бұрын

Isn't it extremely recent though?

@TheCosmicafroninja

7 жыл бұрын

yeah

Where's the Philosophy of Mr. Robot??

@sydryder7810

7 жыл бұрын

Marcus Carcus Seriously they need to come back to that one

@Keeriganify

7 жыл бұрын

the proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains

@TheManInThe5uit

7 жыл бұрын

I don't get the overhyper about Mr. Robot. The characters are as stereotypical as it gets. Typical edgy, molested, drug addict, hacker genius (basically took the traits of geniuses from every other work of art and put them in one), edgy "Sexuality and nudity are boring and nothing special to me" teenagers, stereotypical "Asshole braindead" villain who somehow managed to be the CEO of a company (because that's how reality works), typical "oh look at us both damaged people, ok now lets fuck" kind of romance etc etc etc. Oh yeah, and a muslim girl tries to fight control and free people from oppression yet she supports an oppressive religion which demands her to wear a hijab. Like I said, overrated and overhyped just because it's edgy and pretentious

@CatsCoffeeGuitars

7 жыл бұрын

Pretty much Mr. Robot in a nutshell. I had such high hopes for that TV Show but I was really dissapointed.

@dionysianapollomarx

7 жыл бұрын

Evidence of people not going beneath the surface enough. That's fine.

I am going to write a part of the ending in AC: Revelations that Ezio had with his future wife Sofia about the orders philosophy: Sofia: You mentioned a Creed before. What is it? Ezio: Nothing is true, everything is permitted. S: That is rather cynical. E: It would be if it were doctrine. But it is merely an observation of the nature of reality. To say that nothing is true, is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say that everything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. Sounds like the beginnings of a philosophy" -Edward Kenway

They actually touched on this idea in AC3 with Haytham constantly telling Connor that the method and the goal of the Templars did not differ that much from the Assassins and that maybe the Assassins are just as bad.

@zorex.

7 жыл бұрын

the guy who made this video only did the analysis of the novel Alamut, not the analysis of the assassin's creed and he also probably read the ac books which are very loosely based off the games

Good video but you seemed to have missed something relevant from the very first game itself. Al Mualim from AC1 had the same mentality as Rashīd ad-Dīn Sinān from the book. However, it is Altaïr who adopts the creed and modifies the meaning and intent behind it. The meaning which was later explained by Ezio in AC: Revelations. The games do not blindly follow the quote. The games are an alternate universe version of Alamut where the quote is adopted and changed with time at the hands of Rashīd's successor Altaïr; giving us the timeline we see today.

I don't know, I feel like a story where the protagonist and antagonist have the same motivations could be interesting.

I find the most interesting is the casting of Jeremy Irons. Who played Alexander VI, in "The Borgias", was central villain in one of the games.

Protagonist vs antagonist doesn't always have to be clear cut, life is not black n white, good people and bad people are not that far from each other, similar "mantras" might be interpreted differently by different people. That's how i saw it at least.

@offkeykazoo1059

7 жыл бұрын

Ioannis Aliazis i agree with you

@dclarkmusic

7 жыл бұрын

Ioannis Aliazis that's that shit I like. But I think he's saying the conflict isn't developed enough.

@johngard15

7 жыл бұрын

Yet organizations do, otherwise they lack a compelling reason to associate with them. People are every shade of grey, but cults, religions, MLM's, empires, and nations utilize identity politics that promote a brand. This video did a great job of how muddled motives and identities were in the film and movie and therefore takes away from any meaningful conflict.

@WillKrause21

7 жыл бұрын

It certainly can be grey, but we still have to have some understanding of why there is a conflict, and this series doesn't really do that.

@mikelpijoan4200

7 жыл бұрын

I think that they didn´t developed it because being unable of descerning it is their way for showning that both sides will always exist, there will be people who would rather lose their freedom in order to gain some profit even knowing he´s no more but a puppet in a much larger world, an people that will try under any circunstance stay in line with todays world but living free, getiing in line because they have no more option but not submitting their whole life to it. take for example a office worker, both sides, free and pup, work in an office, the puppeted works in an google style office where everything is provided by google itself for the worker to live happy in his work office, meanwhile the other one will work for life earnings but when it´s time for anything else he decides where, when and how he will do it. maybe it´s a metaphor about indivual for of being translated into a videogame script saying that loosing freewill in orther to live is bad for every one.

Actually, would it be possible for a protagonist and antagonist to have the same motives and overall goal, different method, and be engaging? That sounds like a way to create a very morally grey story about the messiness of politics and the tragedy of violence driving apart people who could have been the closest of allies, as well as an exploration of consequentialist morality (motive does not matter so much as action). I mean, that's why I say Shadow of Mordor's story, however bare bones and lacking in depth, is not that bad-the very point of the story is an exploration of Tolkein's own examination of how using the tools of the villain makes you a different version of that villain. The only reason why Talion isn't a horror game antagonist is that he's focusing his rage on Uruks, who are a society that is antagonizing his own-if it was another human nation and not a seemingly endless legion of (in the game) manufactured soldiers, he'd come off as an utter monster who just can't die. I sincerely hope (and think) Shadow of War will explore this more, as increasingly Talion's (or at least Celebrimbor's) motives are looking like Sauron's; he wants to conquer Mordor to bring his version of order to all of Middle Earth, just like how Sauron turned on his fellow Maiar to bring order to all of Middle Earth. The difference is one of scale, not intent.

@ellentheeducator

6 жыл бұрын

I would say the best way to run a morally grey story is to have a protagonist who finds themselves disgusted with both the side they were recruited to and the side they were killing, and look for another path

a minor correction: it's "pieces of Eden", the apple is just one of the pieces.

@jbcatz5

3 жыл бұрын

They’re pretty much MacGuffins of Eden for all the role they play.

I don’t know. I think it’s pretty accurate to make Assassins and Templars basically two sides of the same coin given that’s how real life opposing sides are.

does a story really need a straight good guy to oppose a bad one? I think it's not

I think the problem is that they forgot the moral ambiguity of the original game. The templar "villains" weren't as evil as you were lead to believe. The mantra "nothing is true, everything is permitted" is taught by Al-Mualim ("the master") that is based on Hassan, as is the real villain in the end. The Assassins weren't supposed to be "the good guys" and the templars weren't supposed to be "the bad guys". They were both supposed to be both morally gray, with the same "noble pursuit", but radically different approaches to it. But by AC II we got a much more "good guys vs bad guys" narrative. Don't get me worng, the Ezio trilogy has great character writing, an engaging story and they are amazing games... but they betray that original philosophy about the moral ambiguity of the original. They substitute the "noble purpose" (from their perspective) of the Templars of the original game, for the corrupted purpose of Al-Mualim (who betrayed all the other templars), power for power's sake. The villains in Ezio's story have no redeemable qualities, Rodrigo Borgia doesn't have a noble purpose. He has no beliefs. He just wants power.

@steel2572

4 жыл бұрын

Yea thats like the one big issue about the Ezio games. The villains are pretty basic in that theyre just 'bad'. Theres, as you said, really no redeeming qualities to Cesare or Rodrigo. That's why I think AC3 is underrated. Haytham is a great antagonist imo.

@33link333

4 жыл бұрын

@@steel2572 Haytham is great, he's also the only good thing about AC3.

@steel2572

4 жыл бұрын

@@33link333 I think your wrong but i cant be fucked arguing about it so im gonna agree to disagree with you mate

Actually you could do a philosophy video about Assassin's Creed. The difference between the Assassins and Templars is that the Assassins fight to preserve free will for the people, letting them make the arduous journey to utopia themselves and grow stronger as people from the experience. AKA, it's not the destination, it's the journey. By contrast, the Templars want to use the Pieces of Eden to remove free will and bring about said utopia _now,_ placing greater value on the destination than the journey, and in their Pharisee like self-righteousness believe that they alone know what's best for humanity. And that kind of arrogance leads to the birth of monsters.

@prashanthraghavendran2628

6 жыл бұрын

Lobomaru02 But the Templars aren't exactly bad guys either. Their philosophy does make sense. An abundance of free will can spiral the wrong way and lead to anarchy.

@DarkEdgePrince

6 жыл бұрын

DevastatorGaming While a lack of freedom leads to oppression, which makes life not worth living to anyone but the cowardly totalitarians seeking power. The Templars have good intentions, but they are ultimately evil because of their ambitions for a better world blinding them to the changes in the human condition. And more importantly, where Assassins are not allowed to harm civilians (not saying some haven't), the Templars are ruthless and care little to not at all about the people they are supposedly trying to help. The Assassins may not be the good guys in every case, but the Templars are always evil.

@OneManCast

3 жыл бұрын

What both of these sides don't realize, is that y'all just inadvertently create AC Odyssey. XD

I personally took the phrase to mean something much deeper. Playing through the games, I was always very excited to see them finally hash out profound conclusions only to have each game defer the resolution to the next game. Slowly I realised that they didn't understand the point I thought they were trying to make. When the Assassin's say "Nothing is true" I always took that as a mantra that they need to repeat to fly in the face of Templar mainstream narrative throughout the ages. The fact that the Templar's 'kind of' have a point, bolsters this idea, as without a firm ethos of scepticism, an Assassin may be swayed over the years by the barrage of biased logic. "Everything is permitted" I took to mean that the protection of free-will trumps any moral dilemma. Nothing is off limits in the pursuit of stopping the Templars from acheiving their goal of mass unconscious slavery. My main disappointment though was with the ancient master race. They could've breathed life into real ancient mythology and even alien, prehistoric lost technology to create a much grander narrative; but they failed. They kept it secret but when all was finally revealed, it meant almost nothing...

to be honest there are multiple instances where games adress the points you mentioned. in the end of revelations ezio talks about how the motto is more of a warning than an instruction. one of the main themes of 3 is the similarities between the assasins and the templars. another is the question of agency, where assasins have been fighting for freedom for centuries just to be controled by juno. there are more if you take a good look. its not handled perfectly, but it was the start of philosophical elements in massive popular games

@elijahnnonde7029

7 жыл бұрын

niko nikogovic So in short for the movie to make sense you have to be a fan of the games right?

@johngard15

7 жыл бұрын

I think their point was the games are about good vs evil moral relatavism and the philosophy behind the games is puppet vs puppet-master when both sides are puppets

Where is the 8-bit philosophy?

@johnarbuckle2619

7 жыл бұрын

JL Stout THIS

Love the channel, never played the game, but the video simply didn't convice me, nah. It seemed pretty obvious that in the game this ambiguity is done in purpose.

Your videos are so good that I don't even mind watching ads to the end

"Having both a protagonist and an antagonist with the same motivations isn't just boring, it's plain bad." What are you talking about? It challenges traditional good vs evil story structures, therefore it's bad? You're basically saying you want the same shit propaganda like stories to be made forever. This franchise is genius, if not just because it takes you on a long journey in which different people honor their ancestors' actions and affiliations for no reason other than being related to them. The ones born on the Templar side, side with the Templars. The ones born on the Assassins side, side with the Assassins to fight the Templars. And then it turns out that they're very much the same. We only sided with the assassins because from the main characters' point of view they were fighting the bad guys. If the franchise started, and proceeded with a focus of the activities of the Templars, from their point of view, we would probably side with them instead. This makes you question the terms good and evil once you're aware of this bias. So please, don't shun a story's depth for no real reason, for appearing too complex, and not traditional enough.

@DotRD12

7 жыл бұрын

thinkingobserver from what I've seen of the AC series, it doesn't have anywhere near that complexity of storytelling, which consequently makes it look like just bad writing. I may be wrong though.

@CorvinTheSwasian

7 жыл бұрын

Mas van Hulzen search and watch ezio and arno's explanations of the creed and also edward's questioning of it

@MrBazBake

7 жыл бұрын

Assassin's Creed: Rogue and AC 3 both have you play as Templars.

@Hibbzon

7 жыл бұрын

it depends on which game you're playing, I think that AC3 was the best on that point, every time you killed a high ranked templar you asked yourself if you had done the right thing.

@KannyKat

7 жыл бұрын

I haven't played AC, but that comment irked at first too, but a good story has characters with similar motivations, but the slight change in viewpoint is the space when their conflict can begin. If you have two characters who both want the exact same thing why would they fight? Imagine Person A wants to eat cake with Person B. Person B also wants to eat cake with Person A. Then they just eat the cake. Then there is no conflict. I feel their complaint comes from the fact that the Assassins don't really live by their mantra while their supposed villains do. They claim to want the same things and yet the Assassins fight them, not out of loyalty to their family's war, but for some notion of free will which contradicts their motivation. Basically they're saying that the two sides should want the same thing, but they don't because you got to be the good guy who beats the bad guy, basically making the story black and white in action if not in philosophy. But that's my interpretation of the video as I said I haven't played AC so I can't say if they are right or not.

The games (the good ones), explain that templars and assassins both had the same purpose: peace. But after seeing how an assassin grandmaster can end up corrupted and manipulate the entire brotherhood, Altair changed the brotherhood's purpose to freedom. Later Ezio (and a few others, including Edward Kenway and Arno Dorian) explains that the creed isn't the final form of wisdom, but merely the beginning of it. That assassin's would have to figure out how nothing is true actually describes the fragile foundation of society and everything is permitted means that we will have to face the consequences of our actions (or inaction), whether those consequences would be good or tragic.

I just want to say THANK YOU for recommending one of the most imaginative and thought provoking books I've read, and a full video essay on Alamut would be awesome. There isn't near enough discussion or video of it on the Internet!

I'm really happy you guys fixed the in vid ads

The phrase is explained in the games. Very clearly. And they even show the mistake of literal interpretation in black flag. And also, the assassins are never established as "the good guys". They wrong doing of both sides are shown plenty of times in the games. They're opposite philosophies, not good vs evil. Not a great episode guys. Kinda rushed and undeveloped. Just like AC Unity.

@Velp

7 жыл бұрын

You're playing the game in the memory of an assassin. Don't you think they would see them self as a good guys.

@sada0101

6 жыл бұрын

But then why would anyone care enough to play a game if they are the same person as the villain they are fighting? It becomes meaningless.

@theflashgordon193

4 жыл бұрын

yeah I mean you just have to play the game to understand the meaning. "And they even show the mistake of literal interpretation in black flag" yeah the intro with altair show it too

... it could've been taken into an all too common but somehow still endearing "war is pointless, all sides want the same and are just convinced they should be enemies so they become so. Humanity must unite yadda yadda yadda", but just... nah

I love wisecrack, but this video makes me question literally every other video on the channel. You can’t do an analysis of assassins creed without understanding the true meaning of, “nothing is true, everything is permitted.” No one group are the good or bad guys. Templars genuinely and fervently believe that those who know of the pieces of eden or possess them must control society to keep that society alive. Assassins believe people should be free to make their own decisions- regardless of if those choices are right or wrong. Honor matters to both groups- but survival of humanity is more important always for both as well, even if they have intensely different views of what that survival would look like. Nothing is true: the world itself we built in the movie/games is not real. All any random person knows is what others have told them and they know nothing of the gods that came before them. Everything is permitted: Save humanity from itself or outside forces at all costs. The assassins modify this meaning slightly by only doing the saving if a huge chunk or the entirely of humanity is at stake. It’s not difficult.

@FlyteDanny

4 жыл бұрын

The point of the video is to establish how the source of the mantra (the aforementioned book) has nothing to do with the actual game, and how the franchise fails to live up to the core meaning. So, they just took a cool phrase from an old novel and changed the whole meaning.

The 2 factions being very similar sounds more interesting than what the movie offered. They should have explored that more, blurred the lines between good/bad.

this is about equal to their darksouls as in they fundamentally misunderstand the game.

To tolerate the criticism, I think if the games from 3 and upwards as individual stories inside the war between the assassins and Templars that talk about what has this war caused, They were examples affected by the war and shed their thoughts upon it to give us an insight on what it does. But Ezio is an exception because he combines between the aspect of being a victim and commitment to the brotherhood, while the others were as I explained above. The individual stories that hold less relation to the motto and only shows their job to collect the pieces of eden are there, at least for me, to expand the series and make it last longer, because if the story only stuck to the motto, the series would have finished earlier and it is a good money maker. So that's why the game's relation to the motto is poor. And although everyone is complaining, I believe that ending the series earlier would be as upsetting as continuing it with neutral but stories that hold nearly no connection to the motto. TL; DR: The game would have ended fast if they just stuck to the motto explanation, so they had to make games for side stories about people who were affected by the war but never knew the cause of it well. If anyone read that, thanks

I really enjoyed this video and it gives some legitimate concrete examples of the difficulties in the translation of medium between video game in film. It made me think though that I would love to see someone, specifically the wisecrack channel, make a recommendation on which video game franchises would hold up in other mediums if translated properly. e.g. Halo Gears of War Zelda Uncharted (actually happening) Tomb Raider (again) Feels like there's a rich list of adaptations that fall short, yet there has to be stories unadapted that can hold up. Dope stuff as always!

Such an informative series. Love it!

Now If You Could Do A Video On Red Dead Redemption That Would Be Incredible. Thank You So Much!

@mes0gots0its

7 жыл бұрын

You Don't Need To Capitalize Every Word In A Sentence.

@fordens6452

7 жыл бұрын

YoU dOn'T nEeD tO cApItAlIzE eVeRy WoRd IN a SeNtEnCe

I always saw the divide between the templars and assassins as the divide between Shia and Sunny faiths in Islam. A similar ideology but dividing understandings and interpretations. Both the templars and the assassins follow the same mantra but in the end , each group fights for a different understanding.

@babylonianbarbell8541

6 жыл бұрын

Clément conti Shi’a And Sunni are extremely similar, only difference is that they have a slightly different call to prayer and they have a few different things when praying. The division is a product of western social engineering during colonialism to divide and conquer. The division is if anything more closely associated with catholics and Protestants.

@1doubtist

6 жыл бұрын

there is a big difference. in short word, Shi’a is an "open" version of Islam

"This simulation is coming to its end" "You dont have the language to undestand Time" "With the code you could see the other [simulations]" Well hello, Assassin's Creed Origin.

I agree with all of your points, but I do believe that Assassin's Creed could have still been a great movie if they'd played with a few more things correctly. First of all, the dialogue was poorly written. After Aguilar makes his Leap of Faith, Marion Cotillard's character gasps and says, "The Leap of Faith!" as if this is supposed to be dramatic, but we've literally had no background about what the Leap of Faith is before that or why she'd be so excited to see it. I get that it's an impossible thing to do, and therefore cool, but she said it in such a way as if she were recognizing something. That's just one of the many examples of how they could have made the movie better. Also, while it's true that in a video game we don't need to be as invested in the characters as we would in a movie, I, personally, was far more invested in Connor and his father than I ever was in the characters in the movie. they had passions, they had goals, they had families and friends. Connor's semi-antagonistic relationship with his mentor alone was better than anything they put in the movie. So, they could have made the relationships in the movie more interesting and it would have been better. Next, the games are basically historical porn. Not in the sense of sex in historical times (I think Ezio is the only assassin we ever see having sex), but rather that if you are a history nerd at all you become crazy excited to see the places and people from history that pop up in the movie. Assassin's Creed III lets you hobnob with Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Samuel Adams, and many others. Assassin's Creed Syndicate lets you hang out with Alexander Graham Bell, Charles Dickens, Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, and Queen Victoria. In the movie we get a vague reference to Christopher Columbus. That's about it. So, they could have made most of the movie take place in the historical part and have the main characters interact with a plethora of historical figures. Or, at least, have them interact with Christopher Columbus throughout the whole movie. The movie could have been great, and your points about its philosophy being so off is just one of the many many reasons it failed.

Do the Philosophy of Indian tech support scammers

Do american gods or finally do MR RObot

@connienoyes6163

7 жыл бұрын

Kill Guide101 They've done mr robot before. Also reference in mr robot.

@connienoyes6163

7 жыл бұрын

Oh wait sorry my mistake, they've only done references.

@SimpleTacks

7 жыл бұрын

yeah and they also said they've been work on it too

A conversation with Mary read in ac4 actually explains a lot about their philosophy, particularly the part where it says everything is permitted.

"Push A, skip the cutscene, and go back to slashing throats." Um, yeah, I would but it's not possible. I just played Assassin's Creed through. I couldn't skip a single cutscene by pressing A. I had to watch them all.

It takes digging but it is there... Although good and evil is a matter of perspective. Hatham Kenway is a prime example of it.

What went right: Wonder Woman

That Bee Movie clip made me realize a HUGE problem it has: plants don't die if they aren't pollinated. The flowers simply shrivel without fruiting, while the plant keeps growing. Also, the plants would not come back to life as soon as pollen is listed over them. They didn't even put the pollen inside the flowers! (even though they sprinkled it directly into them earlier in the movie)

This is why etzio is such a great character: his motivation is personal (revenge), and not philosophical.

@theflashgordon193

4 жыл бұрын

not gonna lie I like more altair because his motivation is philosophical.

We are introduced to a child. The child’s parents are killed. The child is adopted by the assassin’s. The child (and the audience) is introduced to the fight between templars and assassins through bedtime stories given by the child’s new assassin guardians. The child grows up training and develops a playboy-like personality like Arno or Ezio. He goes through lots of girls with disapproval from the creed. He finds a new girl. This one is different. They fall in love. The child, now man, moves up in ranks and becomes a master assassin. But because assassins don’t have secret identities, his girlfriend is kidnapped. At the same time, the assassins are going to assault, what they believe to be, the main templar stronghold in the area. The main character (man) is now given the dilemma between saving his girlfriend, or going with the creed. He choses his girlfriend, because unlike with his parents, he can actually save her this time. The assassins disapprove of this, and go on to assault the templars without him. He manages to barely save the girl, and it seems to have been the right call. It was a trap, not a templar stronghold. All the other assassins die, and the main character is left to be the only assassin left, if not, the only master assassin. But, he is left with the weight of his decision believing that maybe if he had gone with his creed, they would all still be alive. There is your first Assassin’s Creed movie, Hollywood. Was it that hard?

@TheSonicZero

7 жыл бұрын

As for the modern timeline, it could be that the main character’s girlfriend was actually holding a piece of the apple of eden, and the modern assassins are looking for the location they stored it. The animus could be interrupted by moments in the modern timeline of the assassins trying to outrun abstergo or some bs.

@tomasmaestrale2031

6 жыл бұрын

Huh.... that's actually really good

@StonedHunter

6 жыл бұрын

I'd pay to see that!

@JohnnyBo-v

6 жыл бұрын

it's pretty generic with no true weight to it. You have so much great story from the games and you basically write what lame hollywood would write..

@florascent9ts

6 жыл бұрын

still a better love story than twilight but i agree

Nah, we play flappy bird for the story and message. The bird is a reflection of mankind's quest to find truth, can go on forever and will always come up short. (Jk, please don't hurt me 😖🙇)

@prashanthraghavendran2628

6 жыл бұрын

Cookie Monster ironically, that does sound relevant.

Hey Wisecrack (and Jared of course ;) ), You do some awesome work of presenting a lot of deep philosophy and ideology in all that stuff. I'm a huge fan of this channel. I pretty agree with your opinion about the Assassins Creed. However, one thing comes to my mind while watching this one. I wonder about the Far Cry 3, Vaas and the main character. It reminds me a Nietzsche a little bit. You know, that "if you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you" part (especially with its ending). Am I right or am I wrong? I will be honored if you could think about that and share your conclusions with us. Thanks a lot, Peace!

The quote in the game universe comes from Al Mualim, the counterpart of Hassan-i Sabbah and real antagonist of the game. Altaïr took the quote and gave it a new meaning after all he learnt by killing the main targets and then learning he had been a puppet. There was a lot of information about the new direction the Brotherhood took after Al Mualim was killed in Altaïr's Codex in ACII and the cutscenes in AC Revelations. Check those and then we can discuss if the mantra is still the same.

I just realized, since reliving memories in the Animus is all stored in their descendent's genes, wouldn't that mean that they would only be able to relive up until they reproduce?

@superassassin1000

7 жыл бұрын

Magnus DaBoss Yep, they even show that in Assassins Creed 2.

@sovanrothamam1942

6 жыл бұрын

yes, desmond saw Ezio had sex with Christina

@milowolfface9392

6 жыл бұрын

Sovanrotha Mam I think you mean when Altair has sex with Maria. He stops following Altair and stays with the mother instead. Before anyone ask, the later memories of Altair were from a P.O.E. AC orgins, they find Bayoks body thus can relive the whole thing up till death.

@sovanrothamam1942

6 жыл бұрын

Milo WolfFace in AC2 ezio had sex with Christina at the start of the game, in AC brotherhood, ezio also had sex with Catarina at the start of the game as well.

@D0NTST4RT

6 жыл бұрын

Desmond's relation to Ezio was not through Christina or Catarina so he can see memories beyond those points even if Ezio had a kid with either of them.

Revalations in the end talks about the philosophy.

One part I liked about the movie was the part where he tossed his dagger at the water to break the surface tension of the water so he didn't hurt himself.

Ironically, it’s kind of fitting in the very first game. Which actually vaguely followed the the plot thread of Alamut, including the leader’s revealed manipulations and betrayal. But you would think once they found out their leader used that philosophy for his own gain, they’d want to distance themselves from that hypocrisy and come up with a more fitting creed. Gee, it’s like Ubisoft’s lazy and inconsistent when it comes to storytelling.

Very deluded with this. You did the analysis of the novel Alamut, not the analysis of the assassin's creed. Ac1 is all about this, Altair at the start of the game thinks like that, but in the end he arrives at the conclusion (like Ezio in Revelations) that the Creed teach them not to do what they like, but to be sage: quoting Ezio "To say that nothing is true, is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say that everything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic." And that means that the assassins must be rational and must dobut of everything they experience, cause the State, the law, the society is something made up by men and sometimes these things are like chains to the develpoing of humanity. The templars, by creating a reality in wich everyone can live in peace, are limiting the developing of human conciousness, that is what the assassins fight. You learnt nothing about the game and you learnt nothing about nihilism.

@Mannaggialtubo

7 жыл бұрын

And by the way the fact that there isn't a clear distinction between bad guys and good guys, is what makes the serie great!

@multiversevideogames8618

7 жыл бұрын

100%, They missed the mark so hard with Assassin's Creed.

@imjessietr29

7 жыл бұрын

How are the Assassins really different? They obviously don't trust humanity with the eden items either or they wouldn't hoard them.

@Mannaggialtubo

7 жыл бұрын

Practical Theist assassins don't trust the single individual, but have fiath in whole homanity. Templars believe in the opposite

@damianjoubert2341

7 жыл бұрын

The way i see it, Templars want "peace by removing humanity's free will, Assassins want "peace" by humanity's free will being intact. So in essence both parties want "peace"however the methods differ greatly, hence the conflict between them remain. I also put "peace" in inverted comma's because either way doesn't really seem to have a peaceful ending by definition.

could you do Sucker punch: what went wrong?

Do you guys think you can compile a book list for people interested in reading up on philosophy? I think it'd be interesting to see some of the texts and people you guys use in your videos in a list

Jeremy irons once played Rodrigo Borgia, who also leaded the Templars according to the game

0:48 you are wrong , You need to Play ac1 and 2 and stop saying you did when not.

@danielcastaneda4975

7 жыл бұрын

Even more, Ezio himself said what "nothing It's true , everything is permitted" means in one game which I'm not gonna tell you because you clearly didn't Play any ac game. you said " but they are very similar and follow hassans believes , both are reflections of their philosophies " You Don't say !!!! Again !! It's totally explained in the first two games, not even that it is said in the game even explained.

Hey Wisecrack. I wondered whether you could break your routine for once and explore the philosophy of Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, the oddball but still insanely fun part of the Metal Gear franchise

@xenoblad

7 жыл бұрын

Kurostyle21 I want to meet the marketer who thought "Revengance" as part of the title was a good idea.

Aweaome show! Keep up the good work :)

Shay Patrick Cormac was probably the best character to display the vague line between Assassins and templars in AC Rogue where Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted truly shines in the lengths the Creed pushes Shay

You talk about the motto a lot, but like the movie, you ignored the three tenants.

Please do the hidden meaning of interstellar, PLEASE!!

@Adamnski

7 жыл бұрын

I think they already did but it got taken down by the copyright holder and is currently unavailable to watch.

@SyaminiKaushik

7 жыл бұрын

I think they have an earthling cinema vid on that?

@IdanShir

7 жыл бұрын

The problem with Interstellar is that there is nothing hidden about its meaning.

As Edward Kenway stated himself: The mantra is both the beginning of philosophical wisdom and a warning (if nothing is true, why believe anything at all...if everything is permitted, why not chase every desire.)

"Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important." John D Carmack (ID Software). I think that explains why the games work so fine while the movie fall short.

To say that nothing is true, is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilzation. To say that evrything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their conscquences, wether glorius or tragic. (Quote by, Ezio Audetory Daference.)

@prodigy837

5 жыл бұрын

Ezio Auditore da Firenze* Please xd

Leap of faith is maybe from Søren Kierkegaard. Believing in god makes no sense, but do it anyway, like the logic behind AC haystack jump

@ekkoloss123

7 жыл бұрын

How I see it as admitting that God created you, your not random at birth if your born with an extra limb it's taken off because mutations are not normal. When you have a child your not expecting a six armed spider man hahaha ---------->www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/828262-3/ManSpider+012.jpg. Er go You want a human child. You would have a longer upper torso yeah plus six more pecs and back muscles.

@McChadwickable

7 жыл бұрын

Garden tools is nice "Believing in god makes no sense, but do it anyway" is DEFINITELY not Kierkegaard. Faith in a god or God is a will that is beyond logic- not that which is contrary or apart from it.

I'd be really interested in a The Philosophy of The Talos Principle. I think this game deserves it.

It mentions in the later games that the Assassins and Templars were functionally the same up until Altair becomes the Assassins leader, then the war really began in earnest because in the Templars mind they seek order and security while the Assassins seek freedom. Also Ezio has a fairly Sartrian interpretation of the creed.

I'm starting to get sick of these videos. I think you guys don't really consider the aspects of these films from all angles. for instance in that part with haytham in ac3 and the entirety of ac1 I think the fact that they're philosophies were so similar was the whole point. in a lot of these what went wrong videos you guys tend to mention things that you claim are faults but I see as strenghts.

@Childishxmarkeeloo

7 жыл бұрын

Eric Vreugdenhil like they claim the movie to be bad but it's really good if you pay attention to like I believe that it has this hidden meaning of choice because they mentioned choice a lot in the movie but me going into full detail should be put in a video

Obviously you guys did not understand the Philosophy of Assassin´s Creed. Thats kinda sad.

@jasonbarry1719

6 жыл бұрын

As a diehard fan of this series' lore, this video is quite upsetting...

@danielchoi8276

6 жыл бұрын

Please explain then this is an open discussion.

@Niom_Music

6 жыл бұрын

thor horst Care to elaborate? What is the Philosophy of AC?

@thelinedrive

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Choi it completely dances around the Al Mullen Hassan.correlation and blatantly glosses over the climax of AC1 which is the divergent point of the philosophy they talk about in this video to a different interpretation which they say has never been defined even though it clearly has.

@BattlestarGenesis

5 жыл бұрын

To say that nothing is true, is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say that everything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.

Lol, when you said 'glitches' I flash backed to AC2 in which I killed a guard on top a building but instead of dying he started to duplicate into an infinite copy's of himself....That was honestly horrifying.

In Assassin's Creed there are no "good guys" or "bad guys" there are the people who's trying to enslave humanity, and the people who's willing to do everything in their power to stop them.