Ask Ian: What is Headspace? (And Why It Matters)

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"What exactly is headspace? And how important is headspace in old milsurp guns vs. more modern guns?"
Headspace is basically the amount of play a cartridge has in a chamber. There has to be some to account for manufacturing variations in guns and ammunition, but too much or too little can cause problems. Too little can cause extraction problems and poor accuracy. Too much can cause poor accuracy as well, and also shoulder separations, case head separations, and kabooms.
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  • @BigBadBalrog
    @BigBadBalrog Жыл бұрын

    It always surprises me when Ian explains the topic in the first 30 seconds, but then continues to give us a stream of useful info for the next 10 minutes plus

  • @bpomowe224

    @bpomowe224

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm no longer surprised, only delighted.

  • @stitch626aloha

    @stitch626aloha

    Жыл бұрын

    Ian’s video is how they USED to teach how to write a research paper. Tell the Reader what you’re going to explain. Explain what you said you would explain. Sum it all up.

  • @ForgottenWeapons

    @ForgottenWeapons

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol - even now so many years later the five paragraph essay format is burned into my brain from high school.

  • @alexbellington9243

    @alexbellington9243

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ForgottenWeapons introduction, body, conclusion

  • @01Bouwhuis

    @01Bouwhuis

    Жыл бұрын

    Mc collum...he could be irish....chieftain does te same

  • @robinblackmoor8732
    @robinblackmoor8732 Жыл бұрын

    If Firearms 101 was a college class, Ian would be the professor that everybody on campus wants to get.

  • @LD-Orbs

    @LD-Orbs

    Жыл бұрын

    If colleges actually had that course - with a bit of range practice - life would be a lot better! 😄

  • @micwclar

    @micwclar

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LD-Orbs that sounds like a great elective class for a physics or mechanical engineering degree program.

  • @gunnsmith1

    @gunnsmith1

    Жыл бұрын

    He would be the Dean

  • @reliantncc1864

    @reliantncc1864

    Жыл бұрын

    It's a shame that gender studies or racial studies are preferred.

  • @pierremainstone-mitchell8290

    @pierremainstone-mitchell8290

    Жыл бұрын

    He certainly would be!

  • @marknovak8255
    @marknovak8255 Жыл бұрын

    The thickness of a sheet of paper is the difference between too short and too long. Well said sir.

  • @LKaramazov

    @LKaramazov

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that’s the crazy part to me as a newer shooter. I hear people talking about putting a piece of scotch tape on the bolt, I guess, and I’m like, “ really?”

  • @mikehipperson

    @mikehipperson

    Жыл бұрын

    That's what she said!

  • @marknovak8255

    @marknovak8255

    Жыл бұрын

    @@karlhillenbrand8447 Note, im not here to steal his thunder, merely add to it. His explanation is quite good.

  • @josuelservin

    @josuelservin

    Жыл бұрын

    @@marknovak8255 I appreciate the input from an expert, so thanks for chime in!

  • @theq4602

    @theq4602

    Жыл бұрын

    roller bearings are the same way except they need tolerances down to 0.0001 or sometimes less

  • @waylonsmythers7714
    @waylonsmythers7714 Жыл бұрын

    Overlaying a physical bullet onto a diagram ,while explaining different processes & issues, really helps to understand them better. Please do some more like this in the future.

  • @hcnif55

    @hcnif55

    Жыл бұрын

    Just wished he had some blue tac or a little bit of tape to stop the bullet rolling off. (to be used on the paper to make a chuck, not sure putting anything sticky on a bullet will do any good)

  • @Niinsa62
    @Niinsa62 Жыл бұрын

    I'm a technical illustrator, have been for twenty years. Your illustration of headspace is top notch. In my defense, I often have to illustrate something explained to me by someone who is not good at explaining. You obviously know what you're talking about, and you're good at explaining. Those two don't always go hand in hand.

  • @onpsxmember

    @onpsxmember

    Жыл бұрын

    Even when seen in a positive light, anyone with a year of technical drawing will miss some lines, what is/isn't cut and in which layer and what is cylindrical? It's obvious for some but not for everyone. If there were a few more bits, it'd get messy quickly. It's okay with his busy schedule and it worked, but the illustration alone is far from top notch.

  • @rogerlibby14613

    @rogerlibby14613

    Жыл бұрын

    @@onpsxmember I need to disagree. This is fine 9th grade drafting (not technical at all). As for the topic ... headspace is an important topic for Americans and almost no one else throughout the world.

  • @johnh.tuomala4379

    @johnh.tuomala4379

    3 ай бұрын

    There are actually three kinds of space: the space up there (“outer”), the space down here, and (the true headspace); the space between a Biden voter’s ears!

  • @MrMaselko
    @MrMaselko Жыл бұрын

    Videos with Ian explaining these kinds of topics are great

  • @epl803

    @epl803

    Жыл бұрын

    Mark Novak over at Anvil Gunsmithing (has worked with Ian and C&Rsenal before on Project Lightening) also did a great video on headspacing if anyone wants to know more about it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qph7x8mTld3QpJs.html

  • @hhe5218

    @hhe5218

    Жыл бұрын

    Isn't that Headstamp?

  • @DANO-4899
    @DANO-4899 Жыл бұрын

    Ah, headspace and timing! Essential Marine Corps training for the Ma Duece 50 cal. Brings back fond memories .

  • @slick3129

    @slick3129

    Жыл бұрын

    He had one video of firing a Ma Deuce that demonstrated a trained officer checking using Go-No Go gauges. Pretty interesting.

  • @tjroelsma

    @tjroelsma

    Жыл бұрын

    The Ma Deuce 50 cal, one of the most abused and worst maintained weapons. Some of them were só worn out that it was a miracle they even managed to fire.

  • @2bcoppins

    @2bcoppins

    Жыл бұрын

    Hahaha exactly..Every time I hear head space and timing I think about the ma deuce in marine corps machine gunners course

  • @robinblackmoor8732

    @robinblackmoor8732

    Жыл бұрын

    @@slick3129 That video is fantastic. I was never in the military, so I had no idea that was a thing.

  • @aivehn

    @aivehn

    Жыл бұрын

    I still have a M2HB headspace and timing guage that I picked up about the time I separated from the US Army. Ma Deuce loves both the Army and Marines, and we all love Ma Deuce right back!

  • @grizzlyblackpowder1960
    @grizzlyblackpowder1960 Жыл бұрын

    Should have answered this the way my drill sergeant did for a private in my basic training: "headspace is the thing that stops your face from getting blown off, private".

  • @bravo_cj

    @bravo_cj

    Жыл бұрын

    Indeed your drill sergant is based XD

  • @cameronfelkel377
    @cameronfelkel377 Жыл бұрын

    Ian hit it on the "head" with this answer! I work at FN America in Columbia SC as a barrel QA technician in the barrel shop. This is exactly what headspace is and the importance of it being correct. If you have the experience and means to get the gages to check it , do it. If not please don't try. Excellent video on this topic Ian!

  • @konstantin.v

    @konstantin.v

    Жыл бұрын

    Maybe you can explain then why the bolt sitting flush with the barrel is actually bad? Ian's explanation about that it makes you jam the bullet too hard into the chamber doesn't seem to be relevant, because later, speaking about a gap too big, he talks about the bolt being pushed flush with the barrel anyway, by the recoil spring or by hand (5:01)

  • @tz8785

    @tz8785

    Жыл бұрын

    @@konstantin.v I wondered about that too, and even if usual chamber geometries require that gap, lengthening the chamber just a little and starting the rifling a little later should allow for a totally enclosed bullet. There might be less obvious issues, like increased case lengthening when firing (because the case mouth would be the only available direction for the brass to expand) or tighter required tolerances, but this is speculation on my side.

  • @konstantin.v

    @konstantin.v

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tz8785 , I'm guessing the thermal expansion: that a small gap on a cold gun is needed for when it becomes hot and the metal expands some. But it's a speculation, too 🙂

  • @cameronfelkel377

    @cameronfelkel377

    Жыл бұрын

    @@timewave02012 right now it just a new pistol variant and in 5.56 but you never know in the future.

  • @cameronfelkel377

    @cameronfelkel377

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kellyharbeson18 Ian was showing a very very simplistic way of showing why a headspace is needed and what can happen when it's not correct, now the head space is actually at the tip of the projectile when the bolt is in battery and it's the space between where the actual bullet is in contact with the chamber and the bullet lead.( The start of the lans) but if the head space is wrong it makes the bullet not seat correct and it could be to far in or , not far enough. And that's the issue Ian was drawing. And if it's in to deep the combustion can't get enough pressure and speed to push the projectile.

  • @thegreenman2030
    @thegreenman2030 Жыл бұрын

    I’ve known and been checking headspace on various rifle platforms for years now, that being said this was extremely informative and easy to understand for those who didn’t know or understand it.

  • @kj3n569
    @kj3n569 Жыл бұрын

    Class is in session. Professor Gun Jesus teaches more about head space in 10 minutes using hand drawn diagrams with an actual cartridge overlay than probably 90+% of us knew from years of being pew-thusiasts. Yet another reason to live this channel. Thanks Ian. Merry Christmas! May all of your head spaces be just right, your Scotch be a fine single malt and your shots be inside the 10 ring.

  • @SamGray
    @SamGray Жыл бұрын

    I had an SMLE with blown out headspace, so, of course, it was non-firing and used as a wall hanger. A certain thief stole it, along with other items, and the police were unable to find said thief. I often wondered if they ever tried to fire it.

  • @joshweed123

    @joshweed123

    Жыл бұрын

    He probably got to fire it once 😅

  • @hurricane567

    @hurricane567

    9 ай бұрын

    American police recover stolen guns with the same cartridges that were in them when they were stolen.

  • @drrocketman7794

    @drrocketman7794

    26 күн бұрын

    ​@@joshweed123Darwin award

  • @WingZeroGWO
    @WingZeroGWO Жыл бұрын

    I'd just like to point out that there are situations where a headspace issue is less obvious, meaning that the weapon can appear to be cycling fine for several hundred or thousands of rounds, and then suddenly detonate. Typically what happens is a minor case of the situation you were describing @4:50 but instead of the spent case producing an evident indication, what happens is the locking lugs become fatigued from repeated impact of slamming that short distance, until either the bolt lugs shear or the trunnion lugs shear.

  • @hunterbidensaidslesion1356

    @hunterbidensaidslesion1356

    Жыл бұрын

    It might also be the case that the vast majority of carteidge-case headspacing features are produced very close to the mean dimension, with very few spread out along the entirety of the allowable tolerance. But, when you do get one that falls at or near the minimum dimension, or perhaps even below it, you are going to be having a bad day.

  • @asd-km2hf

    @asd-km2hf

    3 ай бұрын

    I had a 22 rifle detonate after about 500 rounds (got it at a gun show so probably more put through it before me). Wonder if this is what happened.

  • @spondulixtanstaafl7887
    @spondulixtanstaafl7887 Жыл бұрын

    Headspacing is one of those firearms concepts that can be tricky to understand, thanks for a thorough and concise explanation . I never tire of content like this.

  • @iainbaker6916
    @iainbaker6916 Жыл бұрын

    It’s easy to forget until you see a video like this just how ingenious a design a modern firearm is. Probably why the design hasn’t really changed much in the last 100 plus years - it’s hard to improve on such a fundamentally sound design.

  • @boingkster
    @boingkster Жыл бұрын

    It's really important if you want to have a properly functioning, safe and accurate firearm. If you have too loose a tolerance you will find that the brass backs out of the chamber under pressure and ruptures at the case head (bottom of the brass) which vents hot gas at the shooter, or has too large a gap to jump the projectile to the rifling which causes accuracy issues, among others. I've experienced both but never severely. I've also seen a few Lee Enfield conversions which had such severe headspace issues they ruptured every case they fired just above the case head. I immediately told that shooter the short explanation and that he really should take it to a gunsmith to fix. I never saw him again but I hope he listened. Awesome work on the video, Ian, and a really good illustration on what the problem is and how to identify it! As always, keep up the good stuff.

  • @Peter-ur3yy
    @Peter-ur3yy Жыл бұрын

    These videos are arguably my favourite. Helps you to understand a lot more of what the weapon rundown videos are actually talking about.

  • @dalevines8832
    @dalevines8832 Жыл бұрын

    I used to run the calibration lab on the USS Carl Vinson. We calibrated everything. From headspace gauges to rubidium oscillators. Oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers. It was good.

  • @chemistryofquestionablequa6252

    @chemistryofquestionablequa6252

    Жыл бұрын

    That sounds really cool and interesting.

  • @stephenhood2948

    @stephenhood2948

    Жыл бұрын

    rubidium oscillators?? Did you just make that up?? LOL That particular job sounds fascinating, care to elaborate a bit?? Id love to hear some stories!!

  • @stephenhood2948

    @stephenhood2948

    Жыл бұрын

    I see that is a real thing, some kind of atomic clock. Wasn't trying to rag on your comment, that just sounds kind of made up.

  • @6Sally5
    @6Sally5 Жыл бұрын

    Just in the first thirty seconds you explained this so much clearer than any other I have seen! So many seem to make this so difficult to understand…especially to new firearms owners and new reloaders!

  • @ryllharu
    @ryllharu Жыл бұрын

    I bought Go/No-Go gauges for checking headspace on some surplus stuff. Check them every time. I've found a few that weren't cleanly passing at a major retail chain. I did notify the staff.

  • @dylan-fr3bh
    @dylan-fr3bh Жыл бұрын

    Ian, i know you've made lots of these q&a videos, but I just have to say I love the format

  • @bulukacarlos4751
    @bulukacarlos4751 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video!, and I'm glad that another engineer, 10,000 km from my house has the same hand-CAD skills as me. Greetings from Argentine Patagonia.

  • @drboris01
    @drboris01 Жыл бұрын

    I was waiting for you to mention the Turkish SMLE conversion. Thanks for making it so simple for us not very technical firearm lovers out there.

  • @petervienna1550
    @petervienna1550 Жыл бұрын

    Very very good video! When I bought my (brand new) AK here in Austria a few months ago - having no previous practical experience with guns - the guys in the gun shop DID NOT KNOW THE TERM HEADSPACE ! When I told them that I heard a lot about headspacing on videos of Brandon Herrera and other people, they said something like Headspacing would surely only be some problem of the americans and that they don't have that kind of issues with their guns in the shop... Later I found out that they primarily sell AR-style Rifles and only the expensive kind, they don't really build guns themselves (only minor repairs and stuff like that). So they might never have had issues with improper headspacing (of course they only use best-of-the-best ammo, too). But still, this should have been a major NO-GO for me. Now I know better and with Ians excellent explanation, I know why it is really important.

  • @redheadmetalhead247
    @redheadmetalhead247 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation of headspace and why it matters. I really enjoy building as much as I do collecting, and I frequently get asked for tips on building (especially AKs), and I'm always having to give a lecture on how important headspacing is. Now I can just link this video!

  • @LeeMorgan07
    @LeeMorgan07 Жыл бұрын

    I like how this video bleeds into how to look at older guns that were re-chambered, etc.

  • @qinarizonaful
    @qinarizonaful2 ай бұрын

    Super explanation, Ian! And one can clearly see how Hybrid (Stainless Steel) base on the cartridge case allows higher pressures and no blowout until the pressure is dropping as the bullet travels down the barrel, and then unlocks the bolt, still at higher pressure, and the case base is strong enough during extraction with higher camber pressure! Good place to show this on your super diagram!! ❤

  • @andrew69novak
    @andrew69novak Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Always enjoy your videos. I particularly appreciated this one.

  • @_ArsNova
    @_ArsNova Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, and definitely one of your most informative "intro to firearms terminology" sorts of videos. I hope novices 20 years from now will still be learning from this. Keep it up Ian!

  • @oscarfloyd2678
    @oscarfloyd2678 Жыл бұрын

    Another Rifle that is notorious for headspace, is the No.5 Rolling Blocks in 7mm Mauser. Due to the change in the case dimensions in 1910s, modern 7mm mauser usually doesn't headspace correctly in the old Rolling blocks

  • @martinswiney2192
    @martinswiney2192 Жыл бұрын

    Would love to see more videos like this. I like the old obscure gun videos you primarily put out but this is some useful information that can save someone from injury or worse. Great content as always.

  • @hoosierplowboy5299
    @hoosierplowboy5299 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation and advice. I had a.222 that I handloaded for about 35 years ago. Inherited from my Dad, who bought it from a neighbor. All went well, until I had a case separation due to excessice headspace. Luckily, I was wearing shooting glasses and escaped injury when the case ruptured...

  • @felisconcolor1112
    @felisconcolor1112 Жыл бұрын

    This explains the "why" of belted magnum cartridges: that massive back end is not to prevent blowouts, but to ensure the headspacing is perfect for those high pressure rounds.

  • @SlavicCelery

    @SlavicCelery

    Жыл бұрын

    It's akin to headspacing off of the rim. Although, you gain better feeding characteristics with a belted cartridge vs rimmed.

  • @ScottKenny1978

    @ScottKenny1978

    Жыл бұрын

    Yup. It's about having nice feeding characteristics like a rimless case, but the very positive headspacing of a rimmed cartridge.

  • @rhekman
    @rhekman Жыл бұрын

    I thought about a set of go/no-go guages when building my first AR. Fortunately on that platform, upper receivers aren't really critical to achieving proper headspace. I just bought a bolt carrier group and a barrel from the same manufacturer, and said YOLO. Brass looks great and it's the most accurate gun I own.

  • @g24thinf

    @g24thinf

    Жыл бұрын

    I headspace all my AR builds, better safe than sorry

  • @tonyc223

    @tonyc223

    Жыл бұрын

    Headspace on a AR is at the bolt face and barrel extension/ barrel assembly. You can buy a bolt not cut right or a barrel that has not been cut right or extension not cut right or installed wrong. Buy headspace gauges.

  • @johns2631

    @johns2631

    4 ай бұрын

    Generally speaking if an AR platform will not forward assist to chamber while of course on Safety there is a problem. When done don't forget to clear the chamber.

  • @aries_9130
    @aries_9130 Жыл бұрын

    This is one of the best explanations of headspace I have ever seen.

  • @Nimbleshooter
    @Nimbleshooter Жыл бұрын

    As someone interested in the engineering on firearms I always wondered what headspacing was. Thank you Ian!

  • @markjordan348
    @markjordan348 Жыл бұрын

    This was a very good basic explanation of headspace and its role in safely firing the firearm. I would like to see follow-up videos on ways of achieving headspace. Rimmed cartridges versus belted cartridges versus semi-rimmed versus shouldered versus head spacing on the case mouth. All but semi-rimmed have their advantages. Secondly I would like to see the effect of headspace on accuracy particularly in the case of 38 Super where it is a semi-rimmed cartridge but gets increased accuracy when the firearm is set up for to headspace on the case mouth. And finally it would be nice to see a comparison of say a military chamber versus a match or even bench rest chamber. There used to be guys that would shoot an entire benchrest match with one casing! Punching out the primer between shots priming it with a hand primer measuring the powder charge and seating the Bullet by hand. And yes when it comes to stating something in the first 30 seconds and then rambling on for a stream of Consciousness for 10 minutes I'll try and give Ian a run for his money!

  • @stephenhood2948

    @stephenhood2948

    Жыл бұрын

    That is very cool!! I didnt even know someone could do such a thing at the range.

  • @markjordan348

    @markjordan348

    Жыл бұрын

    @@stephenhood2948 I don't know if they still do it. But these guys would cut their Chambers so tight that the cartridge would just chamber. And the neck of the chamber was cut to only let the brass expand enough to release bullet. So after they fired the shot the neck would shrink back down enough to hold the bullet. When they seated the bullet it was long enough to touch the rifling when chambered. They did all this to eliminate the variable case volume from one to the other and to make sure the bullet started from exactly the same place in the bore every time. But remember they were shooting groups measured in inches at a thousand yards and this was 30 possibly 40 years ago. Ammunition quality control has improved quite a bit.

  • @cw5865
    @cw5865Ай бұрын

    The best explanation I have seen yet. ESPECIALLY with your diagrams, great job...

  • @darrellh1840
    @darrellh1840 Жыл бұрын

    Great explanation and illustrations Ian! Thank you! I have always purchased headspace gauges for military surplus rifles…

  • @RAkers-tu1ey
    @RAkers-tu1ey Жыл бұрын

    Great explanation. A really crucial piece of information for weapons which get frequent barrel changes - M2, Mg-42, etc.

  • @justnotg00d
    @justnotg00d Жыл бұрын

    I actually remember this. In training, with good ole Ma-Deuce, we had a go-no-go gauge to check the head space and timing. Of course when some "other" soldier was missing the target (not me, I always hit what I aimed at) the soldier would say that the head space was off. The drill sergeant replied, "Yeah, I think you're right, the Operator head space and timing is off !"

  • @willardjohnson3832
    @willardjohnson3832Ай бұрын

    Excellent explanation. Now I understand headspace a lot better.

  • @WarmPudgy
    @WarmPudgy Жыл бұрын

    Ian, thank you for your wonderful illustrations!

  • @calikid3336
    @calikid33364 ай бұрын

    Great video; nice tip on head-spacing when building a firearm from parts; I built semi, closed bolt Mk-2 and Mk-3 Stens and they work great. However, I want to mention that while building & testing: I had one 'blowback' experience when I put in too light of a recoil spring in accidently; Very glad I was wearing eye protection as the blast pressure found every place where my shooting glasses leaked, woke me up. The semi-Sten has 2-springs instead of one and the spring travel-length sort of leaves it almost loose when closed & loaded, then has an over-tight 'accelerated spring compression when cocked back past the sear locking point to the bolt-stop. I might try an Uzi recoil spring. The surplus WW-2 mags worked great, most were stored well and 70% weren't worn out. The closed-bolt semi-Sten doesn't jam and feeds hollow points and flat-noses easily when Uzi only takes FMJ ammo.

  • @ericmcguire9573
    @ericmcguire9573 Жыл бұрын

    My roommate had a sporterized 1917 Enfield. We took it out back to try out a couple of old guns. I loaded it up with Ferderal .30-06 and fired it. It felt like I had been hit in the cheek with a hammer. The case had burst from the head to about an inch up the case wall. Gas shot down the bolt track, blew out the bolt release, singeing the skin on my thumb and blasting gas and unburnt powder into my face. I touched my face to find blood. The powder had been lodged in my skin leaving a perfect outline of my safety glasses. I spent the next week picking grains of powder out of my face.

  • @mikeseigel6566
    @mikeseigel65664 ай бұрын

    Ian, this is exactly how headspace was explained to us at GM A School in the Coast Guard many years ago. Super easy to understand.

  • @GunsmithSid
    @GunsmithSid Жыл бұрын

    Ian has come a long way since he started. Good presentation. 😊

  • @Sightbain.
    @Sightbain. Жыл бұрын

    Really well detailed and interesting this style of QA is definitely a success, that isn't to say that I don't miss the hour long ones as well.

  • @asmamiller
    @asmamiller10 ай бұрын

    An absolutely excellent explanation of the question in a comprehensible manner. Not only is the content interesting, it is easy to understand. Thank you.

  • @lubossoltes321
    @lubossoltes321 Жыл бұрын

    It's always a pleasure when somebody asks the right question and give Ian the opportunity to create such an informative video answer. Thank you for asking !!!

  • @CatFish107
    @CatFish107 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the quick bit of info at the end to give me a rough idea how headspace is set initially. Neat trivia. My milsurp was new old stock pla sks. Wonderful.

  • @rileyknapp5318
    @rileyknapp5318 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video! I watched your video on the Browning M2 and got a lot of question marks over my head when you started talking about adjusting the head space.

  • @rogergadley9965
    @rogergadley99654 ай бұрын

    An example of a headspace problem happened to me. I bought one of the surplus Italian Army Carcano 6.5 mm rifles about the same time Lee Harvey Oswald bought his. The things were dirt cheap. I think mine was $16 or $17. I also got some surplus ammo. I noticed that the bolt rattled a bit. It tightened up a little with a round in the chamber, but was still sort of loose. The first time I shot it a spray of debris hit me in the forehead, above my right eye. I put on a pair of sunglasses (as an ad-hoc substitute for shooters safety glasses) and fired again (I know, a stupid thing to do, but I was 15). Same thing happened, a spray of dirt and unburned Italian smokeless powder hit me in the forehead. The next thing I did was a little smarter; I never shot the rifle again.

  • @georgedoolittle7574
    @georgedoolittle7574 Жыл бұрын

    *"head space and timing"* to be precise but absolutely spot on here.

  • @jamescherney5874
    @jamescherney5874 Жыл бұрын

    Thought I knew what headspace was but more to it than realized. Ian is an outstanding teacher!

  • @michaelkartman3543
    @michaelkartman3543 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video as usual Ian! Great information.

  • @clydegrey5061
    @clydegrey5061 Жыл бұрын

    Incredible video! You have outlined this super simply for us.

  • @traceybest8047
    @traceybest80474 ай бұрын

    Excellent discussion. Also, your voice is pleasant on the ears, your precise way of speaking is great.

  • @sappho114
    @sappho114 Жыл бұрын

    Really appreciated the examples, that was amazingly informative.

  • @kirkmooneyham
    @kirkmooneyham3 ай бұрын

    I may not be an expert on firearms, but videos by Ian like this one sure have increased my firearms knowledge by a lot.

  • @andrewgable7273
    @andrewgable7273 Жыл бұрын

    Always nice for a review day. Spot on. I've seen head space set incorrectly. Wow!!!! Quite important to check. Thanks!!!!

  • @illegalclown
    @illegalclown Жыл бұрын

    Anyone else get that nice warm tingly feeling when someone says "trunnion?"

  • @DevinMoorhead

    @DevinMoorhead

    Жыл бұрын

    TRUNNION!

  • @douglasmcneil8413
    @douglasmcneil8413 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for clearing that up for me. I had a good general idea about what headspace was. But it's nice to have something like that explained properly for me.

  • @slayer8actual
    @slayer8actual Жыл бұрын

    While in the Army I went to an armorers course to learn how to operate, maintain and repair many various weapon systems including the M2 .50 cal and M240 machine guns. The M2 needed to have the headspace checked whenever the barrel was installed which was a simple process and took less than a minute. The barrels of M2s were not assigned to a single weapon and were interchangeable between different machine guns, and because of that, the headspace had to be checked and adjusted. The M240 did not have to have the headspace checked since the barrels were assigned to that weapon by serial number. They were not interchangeable across different weapons. In our classroom there were some examples of machine guns mounted on the wall that did not proper headspace set. It showed weapons that had catastrophic explosions that completely destroyed receivers and barrels, and of course the instructors had stories of what happened to the operators of those weapons. The stories were probably made up but point taken - someone got messed up when those things exploded.

  • @nicflatterie7772
    @nicflatterie77724 ай бұрын

    Old Lee Enfield rifles are notorious for headspace issues. At my range we have 303 gauges to check them. Old beat up 303 show up all the time and we have had some accidents. It’s now part of the service to offer a free quick check to shooters.

  • @keithdurose7057
    @keithdurose70573 ай бұрын

    The BREN cleaning kit in the spare parts wallet. Had a ruptured case extractor in it. I never experienced a ruptured case,but it was invaluable and also worked on the LMG and FN L1A1 SLR. In British service.

  • @jeskormanak1029
    @jeskormanak1029 Жыл бұрын

    In the 80's setting up a M-1919 Browning was easy if you didn't have the gauges handy-in Canada we used a nickle and dime. Convenient for all of us in a hurry. Go and no-go so you knew for sure. Resetting the headspace was a bother but considering what could happen made it worthwhile.

  • @randmayfield5695
    @randmayfield5695 Жыл бұрын

    I wanted to buy the CZ-457 rifle with the three barrel set (17HMR, 22LR, and 22WMR) but it was unavailable so I bought the rifle in 22LR and barrels for the other two calibers separately. Being new to shooting I had no idea about head space until I read the warning about checking it from CZ. So I did my homework and educated myself on what it was, how to check it, and then do the fix if needed. I went local at first and every gunsmith I asked told me to "Just shoot it and see." So that didn't sound right and I bought the 'go', 'no-go' gauges which in itself turned out to be a wild goose chase as they weren't immediately available. I eventually waited for a run to be made on the 22 rimfire gages and got the job done. In the end it just made me a better shooter. Also, I wouldn't let a gunsmith in my city change the batteries in my flashlight let alone do anything to my guns. "Just shoot it...." lol.

  • @Cl0ckcl0ck
    @Cl0ckcl0ck Жыл бұрын

    Very informative! Concise too. Excellent content!

  • @TheHylianBatman
    @TheHylianBatman Жыл бұрын

    A question I've had! Extremely informative and helpful. Thanks!

  • @stumpythedwarf8712
    @stumpythedwarf8712 Жыл бұрын

    Your videos are always useful and informative Ian. Thank you.

  • @Tomcattube1
    @Tomcattube14 ай бұрын

    Wow, thank you for explaining this so clearly. When in the military I had to conduct headspace checking on my automatic weapon. But to be honest I really didn’t know what or why I was doing it. Now I do! Of course I have not had to do so in many decades, but hey, cool to finally understand why they had us doing it!!

  • @Me2Lancer
    @Me2Lancer4 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing your excellent explanation of headspace.

  • @PianoMan347
    @PianoMan347 Жыл бұрын

    Also advisable to have headspace checked if your AR barrel and AR bolt were purchased separately. My local gunsmith charged me $2 and it took 60 seconds. AND if you use the thing defensively, a receipt for a headspace check can demonstrate that you are safe & responsible.

  • @sixtofive
    @sixtofive Жыл бұрын

    Great thorough answer!

  • @setzkem
    @setzkem Жыл бұрын

    Excellent class on this. thank you for making this video.

  • @johndallman2692
    @johndallman2692 Жыл бұрын

    As I recall from reading, setting the headspace on Maxim-action machine guns (including Vickers) is both important and a bit complicated.

  • @Gameprojordan

    @Gameprojordan

    Жыл бұрын

    Same with M2 machine guns. I believe the m2a1 fixed that issue though

  • @george2113

    @george2113

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Gameprojordan how common is 50bmg ammo with primer pockets that are too deep?

  • @ScottKenny1978

    @ScottKenny1978

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Gameprojordan yes, the M2A1 made it so that you don't have to set headspace on every barrel change anymore.

  • @Bacteriophagebs
    @Bacteriophagebs Жыл бұрын

    Not a headspace issue, but similar: One time when I was at the range, one of the range officers came over to me and asked if another guy could use one of my cleaning products. He'd seen I had a kind of "blast-free" cleaner and another guy at the range had managed to get loose powder inside his gun. I went over to see and found that the guy was using reloads in his .223 bolt-action and was using 60+ grain bullets in what was designed to be a varmint rifle. He'd set the bullets too far forward in the brass or the rifle wasn't built for that heavy/long a bullet (varmint loads are usually under 45 grains), so when he chambered a round, the bullet was rammed into the rifling. If he fired the round, it was no big deal, but when he tried to clear the chamber at the end of a relay, the bullet had remained stuck in the rifling as the brass was extracted, letting the powder pour out of the case. More importantly, the bullet was still in the barrel, something neither the shooter nor the range officer had realized. If he'd chambered another round and forced the action closed hard enough, it would have shoved the bullet of the new round back into the case, pushed the old bullet deeper, or both. This can also happen with too little headspace.

  • @InquisitiveImmortal
    @InquisitiveImmortal Жыл бұрын

    Thanks you so much Ian, I’ve been wondering about this for awhile now.

  • @anthonyburke5656
    @anthonyburke56563 ай бұрын

    This took me back to my early soldiering and being taught the Browning 30 cal MG. Of course, the lessons there generalised to the M2 later. I formed the “habit” of carrying my own specialised tools, for things like measuring headspace and extracting separated cases. In SVN it was surprising how often and for what purposes my little toolkit came into use, not only for my unit, but other things. I recall getting a chainsaw operative using the kit and fixing range finding radar using parts of the radar toolkit and my own tools.

  • @UncleNavi
    @UncleNavi Жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I've tried to figure this out 3 times and now it makes sense.

  • @QuintusAntonious
    @QuintusAntonious Жыл бұрын

    Man perfect timing on this video, Ian! I'm about to purchase a surplus Garand from CMP, and this was super helpful!

  • @peghead

    @peghead

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm pretty sure the CMP wouldn't let a Garand out the door without it passing a headspace check, enjoy your M1.

  • @alexanderjones2126
    @alexanderjones2126 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the info, Like many of your other 'info' type vids, you are clear and explain what you are talking about well enough for even a novice to understand. I don't actually own any kind of firearm, but I wish to in the future, and 'Headspace' was a term I didn't really understand because no one outright explained it. I've heard it mentioned several times, in particular with regards to an issue that the Browning M2 had, but I didn't really know what that meant, other than the context it was used telling me that it had something to do with how the cartridge fits in the chamber. You have cleared up the issue nicely, and now I can see why the M2 having an issue with headspace could be really bad. .50 BMG with too much headspace sounds like a 'Significant Emotional Event' waiting to happen.

  • @TheGearhead222
    @TheGearhead222 Жыл бұрын

    Great video , as always. Am a bit surprised that headspace tolerance between rimmed, semi-rimmed and rimless cartridges was not really explained. Rimmed cartridges are MUCH more forgiving of headspace tolerances, as the rim is actually part of the headspace. I own an SMLE in .303 British rimmed and discovered while rebuilding it that the gun safely fires with the original, very worn bolt head and the replacement ,newer bolt head. The replacement bolt head locks up much tighter than the original, but there is no case deformation nor gas leakage using either bolt head. As an aside, I rebuilt a CETME clone by replacing the worn bolt head and rollers with a new bolt head and +.04mm rollers. Although it uses a rimless NATO round (and was borderline out of headspace tolerances), the CETME clone safely fired with no case deformation using both the original , out of spec bolt head/rollers and the replacement bolt head and rollers. My dollars worth-John in Texas

  • @richardpayne5101
    @richardpayne5101 Жыл бұрын

    Tea time watching as always, cheers! Any chance you can do a video to show headspace checking and the steps you take?

  • @jeffanderson4979
    @jeffanderson49794 ай бұрын

    Well done. Great explanation

  • @pstewart5443
    @pstewart5443 Жыл бұрын

    That case getting cut in half, that's a new way to fire form 350 Legens right there. Good job.

  • @uncleroysmusic
    @uncleroysmusic Жыл бұрын

    Had a case extractor for my FN49...glad I never needed it. :) Excellent video Ian.

  • @nealgold8442
    @nealgold8442 Жыл бұрын

    Great video, very informative and educational.

  • @terrycostakis6284
    @terrycostakis6284 Жыл бұрын

    One of the best explanations of headspace for the novice that I've seen. It's a commonly misunderstood topic because most explanations are too technical

  • @hunterbidensaidslesion1356
    @hunterbidensaidslesion1356 Жыл бұрын

    There are a number of western weapons that utilize what is known as "crush-up" - that is, the minimum length chamber is a little shorter than the maximum length cartridge, in order to mitigate the effects of a compliant breach, or thermal expansion from extended firing. The 1918 BAR, M1 Garand, M60, M249 and M240 all utilize "crush-up." The minimum M240 chamber is .010" shorter than the maximum cartridge. An explanation of this concept can be found in Technical Notes Small Arms Design by John Rocha, which has been featured on this channel before.

  • @somedayzo6
    @somedayzo64 ай бұрын

    As always a FABULOUS video! Many thanks Ian!

  • @pigpen5145
    @pigpen5145 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, explaining what is to many of us sort of assumed by the old guys in the shooting world. I had a sort of working knowledge, but not a total understanding like I do now. Many thanks.

  • @cristianpopescu78
    @cristianpopescu78 Жыл бұрын

    Great explaining! Thats why good quality ammunition is also required .

  • @greglaroche1753
    @greglaroche17533 ай бұрын

    You didn’t mention about head space for rimmed cases. Thanks for the video!

  • @HarrisonCountyStudio
    @HarrisonCountyStudio Жыл бұрын

    5:04 great illustration

  • @ColdPotato
    @ColdPotato Жыл бұрын

    I can 100% confirm excess headspace creates fun. Had this with a 22lr upper I had where the barrel liner was not properly secured. What happened was I was shooting suppressed and did not realize that my barrel liner was ever so slowly moving forward. I eventually learned this when one cartridge blew out toward the back and made a boom that left my right ear ringing for hours, might pay for that in the future. Can't image what that would be like with say .223 or 9mm. Had to take it to a gun smith that epoxyed the liner in place. My guess is it was just pressed into place by the maker.

  • @wyattr7982
    @wyattr7982 Жыл бұрын

    Man this video really put me in a good headspace, thanks Ian!

  • @kimheaston7574
    @kimheaston7574 Жыл бұрын

    Wonderful explanation.

  • @B_r_u_c_e
    @B_r_u_c_e4 ай бұрын

    Excellent lesson. Thank you.