What they wanted to say, “we didn’t realize these letters would be made public & we’re sorry you saw them”

@LornaSGal

8 ай бұрын

💯

@tonyzuco6144

8 ай бұрын

They weren't supposed to be made public. Wouldn't you be upset if you were betrayed like that? When you're trying to help someone you've known and cared about for 25 years. If you can't understand this, then you are the problem here.

@reginafallangie2867

8 ай бұрын

@@tonyzuco6144 any character letters submitted to a judge become part of the *PUBLIC* legal record, and accessible to anyone.

@tonyzuco6144

8 ай бұрын

@@reginafallangie2867 That may be, but they stated that they were led to believe that they wouldn't be made public.

@i.am.heather

8 ай бұрын

@@tonyzuco6144these two have a legal team. There’s no way they wrote these and didn’t know they wouldn’t be part of public record.

Even calling it an "apology" is a stretch. Felt more like they were being held at gunpoint and forced to read a script.

@jacal420

8 ай бұрын

Reading between the lines I think it was actually a "FUQ YOU" video.

@jamievanskiver8380

8 ай бұрын

Yea I agree! Mila seems almost hostile imo!

@ellenpapuga7469

8 ай бұрын

It seemed like Kutcher was irritated that anyone would even think of accusing him of such a thing. I felt like he thought it was none of anybody else's business.

@youcancallmesteph

8 ай бұрын

Maybe they were? The church of Scientology has friends in high places.

@payntpot7623

8 ай бұрын

It was a "Justification" not an apology. Form some accounts, they are losing big dollars in revenue from the rights to the shows they were in, due to the whole affair. Stands to reason (not my reasoning), they might, therefore, be angry with the victims for ever coming forward and upsetting the applecart. Hence, not naming these women who they actually know.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say you support victims but then turn around and support a convicted rapist. There's ZERO excuse for writing those letters! I don't care who it is, if someone asked me to write a character letter for a convicted rapist that used to be a friend of mine, the answer would be a firm NO. My connection to that person would be totally cut off. No way I'm trying to help them no matter what.

Hypothetically, If my own brother was convicted of this type of disgusting violent assault and I believed the jury’s yes conviction, I would not voluntarily write a character statement for him. It would be irrelevant that I had a good experience with him as a brother. I don’t think that they agree with the verdict but they also hoped that their letters would never had been made public.

@tonyzuco6144

8 ай бұрын

I sure hope your brother reads what you wrote, so he knows what a worthless brother he actually has. Hopefully, he already knows...

@lblincoe2094

8 ай бұрын

But it's not your call to determine whether it's relevant, that's the entire reason for the judicial system; to determine its relevance within the full, accurate scope of the evidence, so that a fair judgment can be made. By denying the court factual, historical information, whether mandatory or not, you're taking that power away from the system that was built for this purpose and giving it to yourself on the basis that your subjective, personal opinion should have more weight than the due process everyone is entitled to. Because the fact of the matter is, even if your brother committed a horrific crime, that doesn't rewrite his history with you, those things still happened and they're still true. Even if you personally feel those experiences shouldn't positively influence the judgement, omitting those facts to negatively influence the judgement feels just as unethical. Leaving facts out to influence the outcome feels akin to lying to me. I realize character letters are entirely voluntary, but you've presented it as if you're choosing to withhold any information you have about your brother in case it might help him, to see your desired outcome for him and that just feels wrong...

@tonyzuco6144

8 ай бұрын

@@lblincoe2094 Very well said..!

@FromABirdsEye

7 ай бұрын

@@tonyzuco6144 Ew.

They looked like hostages speaking at gunpoint! Mila Kunis couldn't possibly look angrier, and Ashton just looked annoyed and tired.

@mandyinseattle

8 ай бұрын

It really does.

@richlisola1

8 ай бұрын

The public at large is the gun, and Bixler is pointing it at them. Meanwhile, I think someone in Scientology or Masterson’s team, knows something bad about Ashton or Mila, and they leveraged it to make them write those absurd letters. I think everyone had a gun pointed at them, since even before the verdict. That would anger me and stress me out too

@terilyngary6059

8 ай бұрын

They look angry that their letters became public and angry that given who they are that anyone would even question that their intentions were anything but noble 🤷🏽‍♀️

@izzy9132

8 ай бұрын

I am in total agreement! Thanks for expressing so well.

@GameChanger597

8 ай бұрын

I'd probably feel angry, annoyed, and tired too if I was being badgered by strangers about writing character letters for someone that I was friends with and actually trusted their character. It wasn't proven yet that he was guilty so as far as they knew, his character was still in good with them hence why they wrote the letters.

I think Mila is especially pissed because her and Ashton were forced into writing those letters because Masterson and the Scientology center have a ton of shit on Ashton. they wrote the letters to protect their own family. and they laid it on particularly thick thinking nobody but the judge would see them.

@master11manifestor

8 ай бұрын

That's my feeling as well.

@tippiestes5671

8 ай бұрын

I think his family probably told them the letters were just for the judge. His attorneys would have known that the letters would e public info because the judge had stated that.

@msrainbowbrite

8 ай бұрын

do tell. what does scientology have on ashton?

@natsohigh5552

8 ай бұрын

​@@msrainbowbritehe's most probably no better than Danny tbh. It would not surprise me if the same allegations are made against him.

@msrainbowbrite

8 ай бұрын

@@natsohigh5552 I have no idea about any of this. I never realised that Ashton had a bad reputation

Hi Spidey. I'm an old English major and retired novelist. Thought behalf was used correctly, and my dictionary backed me up: Interest, support, or benefit are the three major uses of behalf. Thanks for your great channel, I love it and wished I'd had it to use when I was writing my novels.

@g.strobl4458

8 ай бұрын

I've read many very old books, in which I've encountered this expression often enough to translate it in my head as "im Interesse von" = "in the interest of" first and foremost. Ashton does not look angry to me, he just really seems to cocentrate on getting this right and saying through body language that he is taking this seriously. I agree they look like they were forced to write those letters and are too scared and try to get out of the whole thing unscathed.

@shadowarcher2716

8 ай бұрын

I stumbled about this expression as well and I tend to agree . It can mean "anstelle von" or "in Vertretung für" what means "instead of" or "im Interesse von" = "in the interest of" what in my opinion better fits into the context.

@googlespyfranchise9089

8 ай бұрын

Yes, agree, on behalf is more general in my experience. I’m in the UK and it would be very usual to say I’m writing this ‘on behalf of’ when you mean in support of.

As a linguist I confirm that "on behalf" is used as a form of distancing oneself from the action, like saying "it wasn't me, it was all him."

@tonyzuco6144

8 ай бұрын

😴

@Mrs.LadeyBug

8 ай бұрын

@@tonyzuco6144You are speaking to a linguist! Sit up straight and show respect, for real! 😮 Although the phrase wasn’t used incorrectly, I agree with your assessment.

@robt864

8 ай бұрын

it's also used to mean "in support of"; in fact, I'd say that is probably it's most common use - that or something along the lines of "in place of __x___ who couldn't be here today"

@robt864

8 ай бұрын

from Merriam-Webster: on behalf of someone, idiom 1: as a representative of someone The teacher accepted the award on behalf of the whole class. 2: for the benefit of someone : in support of someone They're willing to do anything on their child's behalf. 3: because of someone Don't get up on my behalf. Enemies or strangers don't speak on your behalf, friends and allies do.

Yes, the ex Scientology folks (SPTV) have made it known that Ashton in particular hung out and knew all 3 victims well and when Danny was kicked by Netflix from Ashton’s show, Ashton was upset at one of the victims in particular, calling her a bitch. Some have said there is a lot of blackmail going on because Danny knows a lot of Ashton’s dirt

@WalkingChampion

7 ай бұрын

Aaron 👍

The problem with the apology is that they personally knew the victims & continue to not acknowledge them. who cares if you “support victims” “historically”. People hate that you are not supporting victims who use to be your friends.

@theloanranger2632

8 ай бұрын

Since they know everyone involved, maybe they know they're full of s**t? Yōu peopĺe just always get upset about something 🙄

@gelfling612

8 ай бұрын

I like to watch things like this without sound first to not be distracted by them

@__rm307

8 ай бұрын

Oh wow I didn’t know they personally knew the victims! I was just horrified bc they wrote it after the sentencing - meaning they were fully aware of the gravity of his crimes.

@fairbanksairriders

8 ай бұрын

As more alleged victims emerge they’re saying everyone knew what was going on at the time.

@keithray9421

8 ай бұрын

The problem with the apology is that they made an apology to begin with. They gave testimony in confidence to a judge, about the character of a close and long time friend. They have nothing to apologize for.

I got the feeling this was a "we have to do this" type of 'apology' and were actually irritated, especially Mila, about having to do this. It showed a total lack of class and regret with their disheveled appearances and tone deaf wording which i think did them more harm than good.

@samstromberg5593

8 ай бұрын

You know it's also possible that they just felt numb/shocked after realizing that they caused people pain - my response to such a realization is usually pretty much exactly what I saw here I'm not saying that's definitively what it was and it is of course also possible that you're right but I think it's irresponsible to try and make the final call when you don't have all the facts

@EG-qh6er

8 ай бұрын

I agree. I have always liked her, not so much Ashton, but she comes across very cold in this video. All she really did is state that they have been advocates for victims and [respect] the judicial system that convicted their friend. If they are "shocked" that writing letters about a convicted rapist's glowing personality in order for him to get a better punishment could cause pain, then I am shocked that they are that unempathetic.

@tinajeppesen5948

4 ай бұрын

Ya they are irritated they say it themselves they only thought the judge would know. Ashton who apparently only thinks of his career (not reporting MURDER….marrying Demi Moore to take him to a major level of fame) was probably so pissed off. Caught! Doing something to ruin his reputation & possibly his career & hits his money of which they have ungodly amounts so they will be fine there.

The 2nd eyebrow raise by Mila gives me the impression that she may have been against writing the letters to begin with. She seems quite irritated that now they are having to explain themselves. It’s like she knew this would come back and bite them later but conceded to Ashton’s pressure to write the letter anyway.

@dancingdark4527

8 ай бұрын

The only pressure they had was from the church of scientology. Thats who told them to write the letters, or wrote them for them. Danny’s family is scientology.

@willd.8040

8 ай бұрын

Yup. That's what I thought it was too. Like she was saying "See!, I told you so", and maybe didn't want to do it, but Ashton convinced her.

@SRose-vp6ew

8 ай бұрын

It is 100% recognition of compromise(sin). It’s either an “I told you so, Ashton” or “yeah we can self-justify compromise” by seeking approval for the knowingly being part of evil compromises, but in their mind, JUST THIS TIME(excuse). She absolutely knew it wasn’t right in her Spirit and this reaction is a telling sign of it, even if she won’t admit that verbally with a real apology. I always consider that smile a very creepy evil smile. It’s the justification for wrongdoing smile. 🤢 “See I had to sin.” Nope! I will add the defense that overall they have historically stood with victims and that’s actually what makes all of this so shocking. But while they have pointed to what others have done to victims they haven’t realize what they’ve done to victims. Maybe now God‘s revealed that to them and they will truly repent or double down on thinking the r apist is "with decency, equality, and generosity," Aston wrote. Kunis' letter called Masterson "an outstanding role model and friend" and an "exceptional older brother figure." if that REALLY is their stance. Doubtful.

@jenniferhart3941

8 ай бұрын

I feel this 💯

I felt they were more sorry at having been caught and having to address it at all. I felt an annoyance. And her word choices were very scripted. All those four syllable words came out very unnatural. The distancing language didn’t help at all. The letters didn’t hurt. YOU hurt. And addressing generic victims instead of DANNY’S victims didn’t help either.

@HeatherSRealEstate

8 ай бұрын

Her word choices and reading were terrible! I keep thinking, isn’t Mila Kunis a better actress than this? Both were bad in this, but I thought she particularly came across as super scripted and uncomfortable.

@styxdraco6721

8 ай бұрын

They’re being forced to by the Church of Scientology, which their friend/ex-coworker is a part of.

@langr752

8 ай бұрын

While I don’t know if i agree with everything you said, at the end with “the victims”vs. Danny’s victims… thats a very interesting catch. Nice one.

@victoria139

8 ай бұрын

Honestly not even sorry I felt a lot of anger and frustration that they had to deal with this

@sunrise1201

8 ай бұрын

Most of these public apologies are made so that they save their reputation. The message doesn't have to be literal, but there are some expressions that are a must: support, victims, my heart goes out, we never intended, we believe in etc.

Re: Mila You said a lot but, she's pissed. She's pissed at Ashton, she's pissed at the Masterson's, she knew this was going to implode and it did and the damage was done. He knows she's right and has been all along.

People don’t realize, *even though it’s obvious,* that people who commit crimes like this do not behave badly all of the time. *I think the courts should use character letters DIFFERENTLY* - for instance, it shouldn’t be the family of the person accused that asks friends to write character letters, and the character letters should be used by both sides of the court case, to help identify & verify things about the defendant that would help the jury decide.

@saltycat662

8 ай бұрын

People believe the person they see in front of them. My bro in law is an overt narcissist, a manipulator and liar. He has EVERYONE fooled, except me. I see what a snake and liar he is but I'm the only one. My husband now sees it too because I kept pointing things out. This is why cult leaders are so successful. They charm people and people fall under the spell. They can't wrap their heads around the truth and believe they were deceived so successfully.

@carfincap

8 ай бұрын

People are all lawyers and experts in 2023 lol-love how I’m the end he’d like a determination of whether they should or shouldn’t have done it 😅. I went to law school and am watching the justice system fall apart and lawyers and judges even stop trying. Please don’t analyze cases 😂. This character letter was not for the public. It’s a useful tool in sentencing and it’s every defendants 100% right! Judges request them or allow them anyways with some discretion. He’s already been charged. To not write one when you have even a few nice memories is actually pretty deplorable if you are asked. It’s like jury duty. Can you rationally contribute some information about character having nothing to do with this incident but your general take on it? That’s what a character letter is asked to do by a judge who didn’t want those writing it persecuted and some mistrial to occur because of the public waxing on and destroying the privacy of the guy. He messed up and he was punished. Leave the verdict alone and don’t even try to make criminal procedure and the processes used-vehicles used-your area of KZread expertise. Who are you helping with this analysis?

@carfincap

8 ай бұрын

It can be the family of the person accused. It can be anyone asked.

I've been looking forward to this video analysis by you! My issue with both of them is that they also knew personally the victims. Its not fully the letter that has me upset, its that they attacked the victims in specific ways like with the whole "Danny is against drugs" thing and then instead of being like "Hey (victims name, whom they know and were closed to), we genuinely apologize if these letters came off as if we didn't believe you girls, this was not our intention." Or even "We apologize, DM family asked us to write these letter and in no shape was this meant to hurt your feelings, we believe you." I could have been like "Okay, I get it, you guys found it hard to say no to DM family. Everyone makes an Oopsie." But no, they use words like "ALL the victims" not even "Danny's victims." or even "Our friends, (name of victims)" Add on to that the fact that Ashton has SEEN DM do r*pey things and had DM covered for him in the past like when one of Ashton's gf was murdered, AK found her dead and instead of calling the cops and saying "Hey, I just found my gf dead, I need police here!" He called his PR team, called DM, left the gf body for someone else to find while he went to some party then when police tried to confront him, he lied which led to a serial killer roaming free and killing more people. If that's not enough, there's also the whole situation that went on with DM, AK and MK where DM and AK made a $20 bet for 19 year old Ashton Kutcher to french kiss 14 year old Mila Kunis, AK has also made comment of Lizzie McGuire when she was still underage saying "Oh, she's one of those EVERYONE is waiting to hit 18 hahaha." Prior to this incident and learning those information, I was all for Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis, saw them as a power couple and thought they were nice people, now I am disgusted by them, like they don't even have the excuse of being part of Scientology or something similar.

@pameladigaetano8119

7 ай бұрын

Wow. What an eye 👁 opener. Thank you for your post. 😢

@jeninlight

3 ай бұрын

Ever feel like your life would be better spent not obsessing over famous people? How does this benefit your life, beyond having an informed opinion IF the subject comes up in conversation. Strong IF

Your comment at the end, about how we're all actors, reminded me of an interview with Marlon Brando where he said, "We wouldn't be able to survive a second if we weren't able to act. Acting is a survival mechanism... it's a social lubricant. We act to save our lives every day."

Ashton knew all 3 victims personally. He never acknowledged their personal situation. He seemed disconnected to the victims. As an advocate, he should sympathize with them but, he doesn't seem to want to acknowledge the victims of this particular situation.

Being a victim myself, I do feel bad for those who are stuck in the middle. Every single human being suffers cognitive dissonance in their life and I do believe this is one of those times. As people who have known Masterson all this time, I know how difficult it would be to believe that the person they ‘know’ could do that. BUT, there had to have been more than enough compelling evidence for jurors to find him guilty and THAT ‘should’ have cleared their path. Not necessarily the dissonance, but the path to say ‘no’ to the character reference.

@pastywhite6669

8 ай бұрын

"Being a victim myself." Talk about a "qualifying statement." You could have simply made your point.

This proves that being good at acting and being good at lying aren't the same thing, because they are clearly not sorry and resent this blowing up in their faces.

@tonyzuco6144

8 ай бұрын

I think your condescending and snotty attitude towards them is FAR worse than anything they've done or said..! 🤨

@DS-dh8pl

8 ай бұрын

I would resent it too. Character letters aren't about whether you think a person is guilty, they are about helping the "justice system" make an informed decision about how best to sentence / rehabilitate a person, in order to provide proper justice to all those involved (including the victims). Victims are just engulfed in their own sorrow their sense of justice doesn't look at the bigger picture. What if rehabilitation for Danny looked like him eventually feeling genuine remorse for what he has done to the point that he gets involved in rape prevention for other potential offenders? Maybe the work he does there, would help so many other people not become victims of others? I'm not saying he would, but I'm saying he COULD, and it would be a much greater form of justice to EVERYONE, even his victims. Rotting behind bars doesn't make a change, it just feels better for victims to know the offender is "put away".

@cheriesheraque7063

8 ай бұрын

I’m not sure if you actually read the entire character letters, but I did. It was very clear that both Ashtan and Mila did not believe he was guilty, repeating several times that DM always stayed away from drugs, and was such a good influence, when he actually used drugs to attack these women. They should never have written those letters. I was put into this position once, and refrained from writing a character letter for someone, we knew quite well, but murdered a woman in cold blood. We never expected this of him, and he was just a teenager at the time, but he murdered a woman and we did not feel comfortable trying to lessen his prison sentence. On rehabilitation, anyone who would forcibly do this to another human being is likely to do it again. Rehabilitation is not very successful for a sexual deviant like him, especially someone who shows absolutely no remorse. Add to that his entitled attitude, because he is a celebrity, and belongs to a cult that has a history of covering things up for people like him, I don’t see rehabilitation in the cards whatsoever

@Jarzula

8 ай бұрын

@@tonyzuco6144 the fact that you think they’re genuinely good people is comical. Looks like you have a lot of growing up to do.

@samstromberg5593

8 ай бұрын

​@@Jarzula Okay so find me the part of his message where he said he thinks they're genuinely good people? I must have missed that Might just be my dyslexia acting up, but I've searced it multiple times and can't find it so if you could point that out for me that would be great!

For me, Mila's reaction when Ashton said it was a request from the family looks like she is mad at them for putting them in this situation. It looks like : "we did that to help you but now we are the one dealing with the consequences"

@forrestfey

8 ай бұрын

The family is big in Scientology. There are probably dirt on Ashter in the files that Scientology keep.

@mrscourtneyward

8 ай бұрын

This is an interesting take.

@Testimonials843

8 ай бұрын

I felt that too

@Lutifah

8 ай бұрын

@@forrestfey apparently that murder case.. Ashton lied and said he didn’t go in the house when he did. He called Danny and his agent after going in and was told to go to the party and say he didn’t go in… Ashton lied under oath

@jacal420

8 ай бұрын

That's what I got too... Condescending, almost like "yeah thanks to these assholes"

Mila seems... annoyed. Her energy gives the impression that once she turns that camera off, most likely had some more to say that isn't included in that crappy attempt to sound like they're genuinely apologetic. I'm disappointed in both of them.

@richlisola1

8 ай бұрын

Maybe wait and see what if anything comes out. To say you’re disappointed in her suggests you have some stake in her. Do you?

@isabelamogosanu7777

8 ай бұрын

@@richlisola1 i never cared about mila kunis, never watched her show. but I am disappointed as well. as a woman, how do you defend a rapist. she is a traitor to her gender

@SarahAbramova

8 ай бұрын

​@@isabelamogosanu7777 traitor to human decency

@ramakgharib1542

8 ай бұрын

💯 💯 💯

@purringbluzzmuffin8030

8 ай бұрын

@@isabelamogosanu7777 Loyalty to friends > loyalty to gender. Your gender isn't going to hold your hand when you're on your deathbed. Maybe they believe he's innocent. That's why we don't let friends and relatives serve as jurors: they can't be objective. Would you also be shocked and outraged if Masterson's mother defended him? 😂

wow - great video! i am so glad you talked about her eyebrow flashing. i almost thought she was smirking to a camera person, but your analysis makes sense. your hair is looking great too!

❤❤❤ thank you, Spidey! I've been waiting for your expertise on this!

“It was supposed to be for the judge to read” translates to “we were totally cool with doing this as long as you didn’t know” GROSS

@BayBaeAngel

8 ай бұрын

100 🙌🏼

@pamelac.3241

8 ай бұрын

Exactly what I think.

@Lea_832

8 ай бұрын

BINGO!

@mizpelot6684

8 ай бұрын

I think there has been some misunderstanding that the letters were "leaked". It was Masterson's attorney who solicited the letters and submitted them to the judge requesting they be kept under seal but that was not granted and instead they were "published" as part of the record. The only "leak" was that one individual who had some access to them as a journalist chose to release some of the content earlier than other journalists who were choosing to keep the public focused on the sentencing and the Jane Does until after the sentencing was complete. If the Masterson attorneys conveyed to the letter writers that what they said would not be published, then they misinformed them because It had yet to be determined by the Judge.

@veronicalutostanski392

8 ай бұрын

Exactly. There was one actor, Ethan Suplee, whose letter was mentioned in the attorneys’ plea - but no letter. He was smart and didn’t believe they would be “sealed” and got his letter back. Smart.

Mila sounded like she was reading from cue cards and Ashton sounded like he had his lines memorized. They definitely wrote this out beforehand to make sure they didn't say "the wrong thing". They put a lot of effort into making sure this didn't look produced which to me is produced. Either way, this wasn't an apology it was damage control.

@christinestrohmeyer1701

8 ай бұрын

And the click of a mouse within the first few sentences ... why and what for?!

@nomadichomebody4230

8 ай бұрын

They are clarifying actions not apologizing

@TorchAndWillowDesigns

8 ай бұрын

​@@nomadichomebody4230that's my point. They aren't apologizing. They are telling everyone what they did. You say clarifying I say damage control. Two ways of saying the same thing. But, yes, you are correct.

@TorchAndWillowDesigns

8 ай бұрын

​​​​​​@@christinestrohmeyer1701I think to make sure they didn't ramble on or say something that would make them sound like they were "taking sides" with a "r@p!st" they wrote something out, maybe on a laptop if you heard what sounded like a mouse click. You can clearly tell that she is reading something because her pauses aren't natural or even in a place in the sentence where one would need to be. Her flow isn't natural as if she were just talking sincerely from the heart. She sounds like when you're in high school and have to read out loud and have those awkward pauses trying to make sure you read and say the word the right way or quickly read it to yourself and then out loud. Ashton is better at public speaking because he can look away mid-sentence and keep talking without forgetting his "lines" or whatever is written down. Something else that I've noticed is everyone is saying that Ashton and Mila know or knew the victims and are taking the side of a SP. Well, I wonder if the people talking trash to or on Ashton and Mila ever stopped to think that maybe if they know or knew these women that maybe, just maybe it could be possible that those women lied about what happened? I am not saying they are lying or lied and I'm not saying they didn't or aren't currently. I'm just saying that everyone seems to judge people they don't know personally. Everyone is so sure that Mila and Ashton are taking the side of a SP and shaming the victims as if these people know Ashton, Mila, Danny, and the victims and were present when it all happened... It sounds like Mila, Ashton, Danny and the women were all friends at some point so they must know everyone better than any of us... they did know the victims so maybe people should start to take that into consideration. So, in conclusion, I'm not saying them wrtitng out and rehearsing their "lines" wasn't a bad idea or a good idea. It's just my observation and opinion/my best guess that they had it written down and I could be completely wrong and I'm absolutely okay with it because honestly, I could care less about the subject matter and can't even believe that I delved into it and not only took the time to watch a video, this video, but I also commented and even replied to clarify that my point is just my opinion. Select all + backspace would be the more appropriate and smart thing to do... Should've just went with that. 😑

@missmew3499

8 ай бұрын

​@@TorchAndWillowDesignsno, the women didn't lie. The women did not know each other and their stories were all similar. Do you know how hard it is to get a guilty verdict on grape? Do NOT victim blame. Furthermore, IF Ashton and Mila were sincerely apologizing, they wouldn't need a script at all. IF they felt bad and felt defending DM was truly wrong, this apology would be sincere. Yes, they knew the victims, so in all of this, these two have victimized them all over again. That's purely vile. They deserve the backlash they're getting.

I have been waiting for your analysis for days! I haven’t started the video yet but thank you thank you. This made my night.

Spidey, i absolutely love how you demonstrate the expressions you talk about… your like down eyebrows and open eyelids for anger and you show us… or the pacifying then you show it… it really helps us understand.

I sense frustration, stress and lack of sincerity. When Mila says they are still sorry for SA victims and R*pe victims, it came off very abrupt. Certainly didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. Their choice of words throughout says "We support our friend, we weren't supposed to be exposed by the judge, we take no responsibility for how the letters make YOU feel, and we're going to keep doing what we do!".

@ElaineHardy-ou6ir

8 ай бұрын

Exactly. "We support sexual abuse victims, but only those we choose to believe."

@jacal420

8 ай бұрын

I agree. This was a "FUQ YOU, I SAID WHAT I SAID" video...

@richlisola1

8 ай бұрын

And what of it? Have you considered that they don’t actually believe the women? They maybe know something about what happened or didn’t… Idk 🤷‍♂️

@KnitzyKitzy

8 ай бұрын

@@richlisola1since Danny admitted to it in his auditing and there is paperwork from the church confirming his attacks it is a fact that he did what he did. He only tried to claim it wasn’t consensual in court whereas before that he just felt he didn’t need their consent. He is a controlling, raping sadist.

@1ofDVSurvivorJohnnyDeppsRandos

8 ай бұрын

​@@KnitzyKitzy Exactly! Have you looked up the revolting meaning of his DJ name 'Donkey Punch,' the violent SA that he committed on them. I had never heard of it before, but now I understand Why he really wanted them drugged. To him his victims are just a female body for him to dominate, serial r*pist danny has a very vile twisted mind. He could SA Donkey Punch them, rest and repeat all night long. He could have caused injury to their brain stem or his attacks could have been fatal. He's more of a monster, than we even thought.

I interpreted Mila's 2nd eye shrug very differently. I saw it as a sassy moment almost challenging us to doubt their viewpoint, and that she was putting the blame onto Danny's family for asking they write letters in the first place. To me she seems annoyed and indignant which is why it comes across like a hostage video. Ashton appears to just be trying to maintain his typical acting face that implies "I did something wrong because I am just a stupid puppy." They are not taking any accountability as to how what they said in the letters flies directly in the face of the victim's testimony. They claim they support victims but the question now is do they believe and support these victims or do they believe and support their friend Danny who is convicted of R-ing these women, which is it?

@soude85

8 ай бұрын

It might sound crazy but my first thought on her second eye shrug was: “Is someone of the Masterson clan sitting off to the side??”

@amandabeaumont1494

8 ай бұрын

Blackmail ?!?

@richlisola1

8 ай бұрын

Herein lies the problem with amateur body language analysis. People such as yourself will read in their prejudgment

@richlisola1

8 ай бұрын

@@amandabeaumont1494I suspect they were blackmailed into it

@taystee91

8 ай бұрын

​@@richlisola1 you say as you read in your own prejudgement. Hypocritical.

I love how objective you are and don’t get caught up in the emotion of things. I 100% agree with you regardless if it’s popular or not

The ending- I’m so glad you talked about how their own personal belief/stance on the allegations themselves plays a *foundational* role in all of this- and should be / really have to be considered when judging ALL of their actions in this case- and how them making the decisions they made by doing that *just makes sense* and is *logical* - based on their beliefs. A lot of people are going to miss/skip over that integral part. And explaining how that would play out in different scenarios. Ty!!❤

The one thing that is missing is their sincerity! I love you Spidey! ❤

It upset me from the beginning. It looked like they were doing yard work, and decided to just sit down and get their feelings out on a video. It came across to me that they were annoyed and mad they had to stop, sit down, and give an apology. I loved that you pointed out that he distanced himself by saying the letters hurt some people. I really feel like they were told these letters were going to be sealed, and they did not expect their letters to go public, which I think pissed them off. Anybody notice that Topher who was another actor on the show didn't write a letter?!?!

@kimivlach7052

8 ай бұрын

I heard Topher and Laura I think her name is were the only two from the show who did NOT write letters. I also heard that DM hated Topher and was very MEAN and rude to him on the set.

@pamelac.3241

8 ай бұрын

Ahh yes, I forgot about her. And that is sad about Topher@@kimivlach7052

@pamelac.3241

8 ай бұрын

Very sad@@tcraigg4563

@atkinsintexas

8 ай бұрын

YES.

@nomadichomebody4230

8 ай бұрын

They look sweaty

You’re almost to 1M subscribers! I can’t wait until you hit it. Well deserved!

Spidey - Thank you so much for the instruction and entertainment! I so look forward to your videos and insights. Thanks again for all you do, and blessings to you and your family ❤

@TheBehavioralArts

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the kind words and support! Glad you’re enjoying the videos 😊

To me, it seemed like they were 'sorry' for being caught, not the act itself.

You’ve done a far better job of analysing this than the behaviour panel. Much appreciated.

@pamelac.3241

8 ай бұрын

I unsubscribed to them a long time ago.

@nightowl8548

8 ай бұрын

I agree. I unsubscribed after their analysis... they really missed the mark

@pamelamorrison4086

8 ай бұрын

Those guys just like the sound of their own voices - dull and directionless - I too unsubscribed a while back This guy here, is worth the time, though

@elizabethstadtmueller6045

8 ай бұрын

@@pamelamorrison4086I have been thinking that same thing for a while! Glad it’s not just me lol

@pattyo4703

8 ай бұрын

I totally agree, Sally. After the Behavior Panel finished, my first thought was, "are the Behavior Panel members friends of Ashton & Mila?"

OK, here are my two cents. I’m thinking about these people who are professional actors, and know exactly how to convey or pretend to convey any idea or concept with their body and their mannerisms and everything. I’m also thinking about the fact that this is not some sort of a spontaneous video, but they literally had the ability to take and retake 100 times. Haven’t considered those two things, I am so surprised. This is literally the best they could come up with. Seriously. This was the best they could do, and send out to the world.

Yes I agree with your interpretation of "behalf" instead of support. Right on!

writer and english tutor chiming in about 'behalf' 👋 you definitely have a point about it being a strategically more neutral term as opposed to 'support' or defence'. I'm wouldn't say it's an outright wrong word for the context, though. it can mean directly replacing someone, but it can also mean just representing their interests more generally. 'I'm here on behalf of my son' could mean 'I'm here instead of my son' or 'I'm here about a matter concerning my son', while implying that you're also acting in his best interests.

@TheBehavioralArts

8 ай бұрын

Wow! Thanks so much for this. Makes a lot of sense. So it’s grammatically fine but psychologically a more neutral choice 😊

@mathiecharlote5886

8 ай бұрын

Omg so well said, I've been trying to put this down by comment but as I'm not a native speaker I wasn't sure and didn't know how to explain it in other way than by French translation, sorry @@TheBehavioralArts ^^ But here is what I meant ! This is really great to point the fact that even if that's correct : it is a more neutral choice though... I feel Ashton really believe nothing was wrong about what he did (and I agree) and I don't know why but I almost feel he is blaming the letter or something about it like being public, or just something... I don't know what, but makes me sorry for him.

@sharalhall5911

8 ай бұрын

Unfit

@sharalhall5911

8 ай бұрын

It all feels like Danny Masterson in these people and others are just involved in really nasty gross things. I feel sorry for their children I really do because these people are not fit. Totally unfit parent’s.

@sharalhall5911

8 ай бұрын

Why does it seem like they’re not even in the same location because she never really looks at him in the way they stop and began. It’s just kind of feels like they’re not in the same place.

They read it from a teleprompter. They did not feel genuine at all. "We are aware of the pain that HAS been caused..." Not "We are sorry for the pain WE caused..."

@hootiemcboob6332

8 ай бұрын

This is the first thing I noticed too. It felt like they were distancing themselves and avoiding genuine accountability.

@constancedenchy9801

8 ай бұрын

They didn't cause pain... the perceptions and distortions is what caused pain. Those claiming these two are the cause of pain are displacing their anger. These two were also betrayed by a man they worked with, and trusted

@hootiemcboob6332

8 ай бұрын

@@constancedenchy9801 I think you're right on that for sure. But I also think it's a bit of a slap in the face for them to defend a convicted rapist after all the work they've done for victims. Surely, they more than most people, should know that abusers don't act like abusers 24/7 and can hide in open. I don't know why character references are a thing in sexual violence cases.

@mandyinseattle

8 ай бұрын

That passive voice is a giveaway every time that they're not really accepting responsibility.

@Grumpy_gurl

8 ай бұрын

Kinda of reminded me of the Australian apology from Amber Heard. Not genuinely sorry just sorry they got caught.

The expression "on behalf of" can be used in various ways in English and is not necessarily limited to doing something in place of someone else. In the context mentioned, "the character letters we wrote behalf of Danny" it is being used correctly. In this case, it means that they are writing letters of recommendation in favor of Danny, implying that they are supporting Danny or doing something beneficial for him by providing those character letters.

Love your content! It's awesome to listen to you pick everything apart. Keep it coming!

Letters were dated AFTER DM was CONVICTED. Yet Ashton still says he would leave his children ALONE w Danny. BRAIN DEAD.

@MiraculousAngelTarot

8 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure DM and the CoS have something on him.

@natb9919

8 ай бұрын

@@MiraculousAngelTarot Oh, they do. Growing Up In Scientology has a video about at least one of the things scientology has on Ashton Kutcher. The video's called "Ashton Kutcher's lies allowed Michael Gargiulo to kill again" and it's very very interesting. It also gives you an idea how and why scientology probably has so much other dirt on him.

@sara_387

8 ай бұрын

@@natb9919 A.A.Ron is talking absolute rubbish. The story that he and Chrissie Bixler are pushing about Ashton Kutcher and the circumstances around Ashley Ellerin's murder is just disinformation. A little bit of independent research shows that it's not the case, probably why none of the MSM will touch it.

@tonyzuco6144

8 ай бұрын

That could have something to do with the real prospect that DM is innocent and was wrongfully convicted!

Ashton knew exactly who Danny Masterson was and is! His hands are far from clean. I think we will see more in the future.

@forrestfey

8 ай бұрын

Hi did walk in om Masterson and a victim not in the trial, in New York, the morning after. Sorce: Growing up in Scientology

Felt like Mila was angry at us for having to make this video! I think they were completely in the wrong. You don’t support someone like Danny and they’re not even apologizing at all.

@biosteeman

8 ай бұрын

Why would they apologize for providing character testimony. If you believe in the justice system you believe you can be honest and truthful and in the end the facts will be discovered and justice will prevail

@amayawalker7019

8 ай бұрын

You give a truthful representation of the person "you" know, and they did...they stated who he has been to "them", that has nothing to do with ANYTHING else. ...and that is theirs, and everyone's right. He is their friend, period...he has done nothing apparently in 25 years, to not have that be the case. ...so these accusations, in no way change their experience.

@selenadrenalinperle7383

8 ай бұрын

They are all the Same. The Stars 90% of them are wor shipper of the evil.

@amayawalker7019

8 ай бұрын

@@selenadrenalinperle7383 ...evil is a manmade construct, rooted solely in religion. So is sin. ...and conspiracy theorists, are a dime a dozen these days. 🙄😒

@selenadrenalinperle7383

8 ай бұрын

@@amayawalker7019 Aaaaaaah, weird, because i thought exactly how you. BUT, if you know we are spiritual beeings, than you know well that their are other forces.

I appreciate how calming of the tone of your voice. Also, I appreciate you immediately going into the "news" of your story THEN offering the like and subscribe comment. As an avid KZread watcher, these statements in the very beginning of the interested video is a complete turn off. Thank you for sharing!

But they knew THESE victims personally, so to generalise so broadly was strange and self aggrandizing.

Hey Spidey, you got me thinking about the word ‘behalf,’ and I did some research. Typically that word is used when representing someone, or taking their place…. But it can also be used as ‘representative of’ or ‘as a spokesperson for’ and so I think that was their intent with that word choice. Love your videos ❤ 514 represent 😊

@TheBehavioralArts

8 ай бұрын

Montreal in the house Wutup!!! Lol ok so are we sure that applis to this? Because “as a representative of or spokesperson for” is still a little confusing. Like are they representing him here? I don’t think so, I think representing still means “instead of.” But who knows, this whole learning 2 languages in montreal thing is really getting to me 😂 thanks for watching

@urbanequinox

8 ай бұрын

@@TheBehavioralArts “On behalf of” can be used that way, but the dictionary says the word means “in support, in the interest or defense of”… so it does not have to mean that you are acting instead of or in place of someone (who cannot be there to help themselves). You can also be adding or lending help to someone. Hope that helps!

@YvonneUCLA

8 ай бұрын

Yes, the way it was used in the letter, and the way I think they meant it, “on behalf of ” would be the same as “in favor of”.

@aevanhoutte

8 ай бұрын

‘Behalf’ can be translated as ‘on the same team as’

@master11manifestor

8 ай бұрын

​@@urbanequinoxthis feels correct to me too.

I love your channel and I learn SO much each and every time, Spidey. This time, I was amazed that the first thing I thought hadn’t been mentioned yet, which is that Mila looks as if she was ripping bong hits while they rehearsed this. That’s my explanation for the micro smile early on.. she may have been “sincere”, but she was also high AF (as the kids say). Thanks for the opportunity, achiTov

This is the first video of yours that I have seen. As an experienced clinician I am super impressed and looking forward honing my skills by learning from you.

I'm inclined to not accept this especially when they say, "it was meant only for the judge" hence if it didn't go public we wouldn't hv bn called out. They're just trying to minimise the backlash....they're not successful imo

@BayBaeAngel

8 ай бұрын

💯

@pamelac.3241

8 ай бұрын

Probably why they turned off the comments to this video.

@stephaniecornwell8766

8 ай бұрын

PR damage control

@paulweston8184

8 ай бұрын

I don't think they did anything wrong. They wrote character letters about their friend. They were honest in the letters. They do care about Danny. They are famous so they get backlash from all the sheep who can't think for themselves and what they would do in their situation.

@natsohigh5552

8 ай бұрын

​@paulweston8184 well I can think for myself if I was in this situation. And I'm not writing a f?ckin letter regardless of how long I've known someone if they're found guilty of rape.

I learn so much from you, Spidey! and Thank You! I appreciate so much your strong, positive character, and the way in which you incorporate your inherent kindness and decency in your analyses. Please keep doing what you do, in EXACTLY the way you do it. ❤️

@derpestarzt

8 ай бұрын

Pls do Maui police chief John Pelletier body language analysis, he's a mass murderer and he's gonna get away with it and do it again.

@UsernameUnkwn21

8 ай бұрын

Do you know how much revenue he probably earns from YT Ad Sense alone LOL..

@its-MK...

8 ай бұрын

Let's not knock a kind gesture. One of the best things about having extra money is being able to share it/give it away (or at least that's how I remember things. It's been a while since I've had disposable income. 😂)

@mimimutti8760

8 ай бұрын

Wow 🫶🏽 he deserve this really ❤ thank you for your support 😊

@GmmBeast

8 ай бұрын

​@@UsernameUnkwn21Probably not as much as you think. Can't you just appreciate a kind action?

I love this video commentary! It just tells you a lot about how some humans operate. One of the biggest fails of some humans is the inability to just come out and say "Hey look, I really f**ked up! I am sorry for my actions, for the damage I did to others, and can only ask for their forgiveness and work on doing better." So rare is it for somebody to just be honest and humble. The response video was troubling because those two couldn't even admit they had made a horrible mistake....maybe because they don't think it was a mistake? And that is a whole other can of worms that I will not open up.

I also think that it would be very hard for anyone who had a close friend who committed such a crime - you don't just stop loving someone - it takes a while to divorce your feelings.

@karenboyd9739

8 ай бұрын

My brother is in prison for possession of CSAM. It's a heinous crime. No, I didn't stop loving him, but nor did you see me or our sisters writing character letters to his judge. My love for him doesn't change the fact that he did something horrible.

@KE-hr4sb

8 ай бұрын

Depends on the severity of the crime. If a friend got triggered by something said, lost their temper, and said something below the belt or hit someone, depending on the situation and what was said, I'd probably either cheer them on or be disappointed but still love them. If I had a friend that knowingly cheated and destroyed someone's marriage, or raped someone, or hurt a child? We'd be done.

@florl.delgado4093

8 ай бұрын

Those feelings ARE NOT what this is about. It's opening their mouths without thinking it threw.

Love that quote "we are all actors in social settings" nothing but truth!

Feels to me like they are afraid of something ..Ashton looks like he hasn't slept in days 😬😬

I instantly paused your video, subscribed and liked your video (and I ALWAYS forget to “like” videos that I like or love) when you put an article up on the screen with visible details on it when you made a claim!!! I mean whoaaaaa!!! Instantly. Impressed. And so thrilled and excited to watch the rest of this video haha 😂😁

Great analysis and commentary Spidey 👌🏽

I think the question I'd ask would be "as you were comfortable saying Danny's name because you know him, why didn't you mention the victims names? As you knew them too" Passing them off with other nameless victims is denying there identity, so it comes across that they believe him and are distancing themselves from the victims they knew, what a sad world we live in 😢

@cyn4476

8 ай бұрын

would you really want your name mentioned in a media blitz type video? If you were a victim of this? I certainly wouldn't.

@fifi_le_fleur2010

8 ай бұрын

@@cyn4476 personally no, though I still cringe at the memory of telling the police what I was going through, but the presenter of a channel that helps people leave that cult has mentioned the ladies in question are fine talking about it, he told Chris cummo (I'm not American so don't know exactly who that it) they'd be happy being involved rather than Aaron talking for them, there names are already known so it wouldn't have done them any harm

@BlissfulDee

8 ай бұрын

@@cyn4476 All of them have come forward and revealed their names in interviews and videos.

@cyn4476

8 ай бұрын

@@BlissfulDee yes, they have. That doesn't mean that it's appropriate for Ashton and Mila to name them, especially in this situation. This wasn't about the victims, it's about them writing a character letter. As far as I know, they were not asked to make impact statements for the victims.

@fifi_le_fleur2010

8 ай бұрын

@@cyn4476 ummm the discussion was about the video they released apologising to all victims they might have unintentionally hurt regarding letters they never thought the public would see, they brought the topic of victims up which makes it a perfect opportunity to apologise directly to those they know and all other victims aswell

I’ve got a couple issues with them both but Ashton especially. I’m wondering if you would consider it an important factor if you knew that Ashton knows the victims very well. Also that he knew & even talked/laughed about Danny & his sexual “proclivities” even being in the house (& bedroom) when he was indulging himself. Mila knows some of these accusers & victims as well. Would you have more to say if you knew this first?

You are spot on I knew these things instinctively can you just confirm them for me in reality keep up your good work man and God bless

Beautiful Analysis! Thank you so much 💜

Why don’t they just speak from their heart , if they support their friend then that’s understandable….. you can still have compassion for a “friend” and realize they did shitty things and not condone those things… I’m not saying they should , but if that’s where they were coming from….then just say that… that’s less cringy then a fake apology.

@rickyrivera3623

8 ай бұрын

Well if they had open compassion for a friend and said so then are actively supporting a …… so yah second option is worse. If they say they didn’t know then they would told to do there research to learn.

@jamba622

8 ай бұрын

If they’d said “Danny has made some serious mistakes but since becoming a father I’ve seen a change…….etc” I would not have minded. requesting leniency is ok but those letters practically nominated him for sainthood and were filled with easily provable lies. It pissed so many off that I’m sure it pissed the judge off too. May have hurt Danny in the end

@GailDLW

8 ай бұрын

Lawyers don't like it when you speak from the heart and Ashton has lawyers helping 100%.

@natalielefebvre1628

8 ай бұрын

Agreed, but no compation for rapist sorry I will end as quick as possible .

@anxilety7974

8 ай бұрын

@@GailDLW Based on how annoyed Mila looked, I wonder if the recommendation was for them NOT to write the letters, and they did so based on "the family asked us" kinda thing. It really looks like Ashton might have pushed for it and Mila is annoyed with the consequence

The problems here are much deeper than anything you can take away from watching this video with or without body language skills, if you don't have the backstory (and know what occurred after this). Ashton knows for a fact that Danny is a serial rapist with many more victims than the ones in this case. But not only is Danny almost a brother to him, he also knows of Ashton's own errors (that may or may not be crimes, but led to actual murders happening) and they are bound to protect each other. Ashton benefitted from Danny (and family) protecting him, now he has no choice. It led to him having to resign from his foundation a day later, but he can't have Danny's side start spilling his old dirt. I think that they were both Hollywood bad boys. Ashton grew out of it, but Danny didn't. What I'd be curious about is if you see anger from Mila that these two bone heads got her into this mess!

@bcastle2397

8 ай бұрын

Wow jenvick--you brought up some great points! This is very complicated.😮

@ElaineHardy-ou6ir

8 ай бұрын

VERY well summed up. Good post. People need to look at the history these two have and yes, "historically" these two knuckleheads were wild party boys - problem is, one is now trying to distance himself from those years, and the other one was caught and is now going to prison.

@brandyburkhart6423

8 ай бұрын

Do tell… what murders and how

@charmcrafter7587

8 ай бұрын

What about the other 45 actors and family that wrote character witness for him as well from that 70s show alone ? See Ashton ok brothers got it maybe even u get my back I get urs . But 1 a character witness letter isn't getting his back in a u real way 47 people not including wife and parents all In different places in their lives that spent up to 18 hrs a day during the accused times that is harder to explain away. Along with the time frame and the fact that even if all 4 women were not only reporting as a group he was tries once and of all of these women only 1 reported it she says with 0 Evidence if it tonthe lapd. I myself would believe more of these women's word if even 1 of them just statistics one from the 1999s and early 2000 would say 1 say of 4 would have actually made a report to police religion or not stopping them. I have 0 idea if he did it or not because of nothing being reported as evidence in this case u find 0 drug testing 0 police reports 0 everything but word for word and I know for a fact money does alot to people heads and will make almost all mouths open to false statements unless you truly are a decent person a good person 1 who does not get bought off . I not only am a RAPE survivor useless but I have spent the last 25 yrs helping those who are survive and prosecute .

@jacal420

8 ай бұрын

Good points. Although I'd argue that they both grew out of it (remember these accusations are from decades ago, and they're both family men now), but it only caught up to ONE of them!

Long time fan, here! Love your videos! Question: do you notice all these quick behaviours in everyday conversation? I work at a public library, and interact with many different people in different emotions states, but no matter how much I try, I consciously miss physical cues, because they go by so fast. Of course, I probably pick up instinctively, my subconscious interpersonal skills kicking in, but I struggle to consciously notice! If someone asked, “How do you know they were sincere/insincere,” or “How did you get a good/bas vibe,” I can’t say with concrete behaviours examples, only gut-which is probably based on behavioural cues!

Was highly looking fwd to your input on this! 😂 thanks Spidy 🙌

I don't care who asked them to write the letters. They shouldn't have done it! If they needed to write letters they should have written to Danny stating how disappointed in him that they are. I do believe that someone somewhere has info of Ashton because I don't think that he would have done this otherwise. Mila looks mad to me and they definitely did did not think that these letters would become public! What you do in the dark always comes into the light!

@littlemonster2483

8 ай бұрын

Or at least wrote that this is who they *THOUGHT* they were friends with or just politely declined. But honestly I wouldn't have written them myself. I could never do that for someone especially if it's after a sentencing. For them to think that they'd be sealed is laughable!!! They should know better that ANYTHING can be leaked!!!

They both personally know the victims. They never address the victims directly, even negating their names. Ashton resigned his position on the foundation he co-founded. Lots missing here. Questioning the shoulder shrug analysis. I am a little surprised by this video and The Behavioral Panel video covering this.

@BlissfulDee

8 ай бұрын

What Behavioral Panel? It's just Spidey!

@a.ashley5292

8 ай бұрын

@@BlissfulDee There's a youtube channel called Behavioral Panel that covered the "apology video," but only one of them on the panel went into much detail. A few of the others seemed a little fishy.

I'm so glad you covered the eyebrow flashing. It was the first thing I really noticed. I couldn't believe the behavior panel didn't. But of course thats why it's helpful to have both of yalls perspective.

LOVE HOW YOU BREAK DOWN EVERYTHING IN THESE KIND OF VIDEOS!!!👍👏👏👏👏👏 IT HONESTLY SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE DOING A FAVOR FOR HIS FRIEND REGARDLESS IF THEY THOUGHT IF HE WAS GUILTY OR NOT🙄

Thank you Spidey! I was hoping you'd do this. I watched another behavioral expert, but I wasn't a fan of his assessment. Yours are always in depth and you explain things so well. Thank you for taking the time to teach us and to give an unbiased opinion. I really enjoy your videos!

This is a solid analysis and far better than what the Behavioral Panel did. Their video on this subject was an editorial. They defended Ashton and Mila and speculated that they were coerced into making this video by "the internet" and the threat of "cancel culture." It was so bad and so infuriating for me as a survivor that I immediately unsubscribed from their channel. I always appreciate that Spidey takes care not to take sides (even when I wish he would) and sticks to an objective analysis of the subject matter. As someone who studied and worked as an actor for a third of my life, who works in communications and crisis management, and as someone who is a survivor of this kind of trauma, I found Mila and Ashton's response in this video revolting and disingenuous. I understand and can hold space for conflicted feelings. It's hard to imagine someone you trust and care about and look up to is capable of committing this type of violence. But when you read the letters they wrote and the specificity with which they defended his conduct, citing examples that do directly undermine the testimony of the women he hurt, there is no way you can square that with this video. I think Spidey's conclusion is spot on: Either you believe that he's guilty of the crimes he's been accused of, and you shouldn't have written the letters, or you don’t believe he's guilty and you shouldn't be putting on this show now.

@pamelac.3241

8 ай бұрын

I unsubscribed to them a long time ago. Some of them have let their egos get huge over their KZread "fame."

@trishemerald2487

8 ай бұрын

They're far too fond of Dr Phil.

@MickyMoYo

8 ай бұрын

I stopped watching those guys too

@kiwi8157

8 ай бұрын

Nice to know others found the panel's video on this perturbing! I noticed couple of them said they were conflicted (implying professionally in some way) but didn't say HOW, and then instead of recusing themselves because of this, proceeded to what looked like pander to the narrative (words) of the scripts that AK and MK were delivering. (Though it seems to me MK is far more sincere, and possibly caught between a rock and a hard place with her husband's past, especially re his behaviour following witnessing a m*rder scene.) Incredibly frustrating, as if they were advising these guys, that would explain why they seemed to believe every word at face value despite the facts, like written AFTER conviction. Spidey's analysis far superior. Slightly surprisingly, as one of the panel members who was "conflicted" is a guy Spidey always gushes over as being one of the best. Though in my opinion Spidey is incredibly humble, probably one of the few who truly display this characteristic.

@Terry-lh8cn

8 ай бұрын

​@@trishemerald2487And "great guy" Don Wells.

Great analysis!!! Thanks Spidey!!!

This solidifies for me that you are my favorite body language channel. What a great video.

From the second I saw the video show up for your members I was looking forward to it's release. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, skills & experience with all of us! I agree with you that the key is whether or not they think their friend is innocent or guilty & that we don't have a way of knowing this from the video.

Spidey I have been waiting so patiently for this! 🙌🙌🙌

@digitaldorothy

8 ай бұрын

YESSS 🙌

I saw this a few days ago and was hoping you’d cover this video

Spideyyyyy you're so close to 1MIL! 😱

Spidey, I was waiting for your thoughts on this "apology" video. I think if you do some research on the history of Danny and Ashton, your thoughts on this "apology" would greatly differ. Ashton knew very well who is best friend was/is. Also, those letters were basically boiler plate for everyone who wrote them. Go find all the letters written and you will see all the same things said. The worst is the fact that all of them talk about Danny's "lack of drug use" when he's an alcoholic (he had to go to medical in jail for withdrawal), and he used drugs to knock these women out and r*** them. Ashton knows these victims personally and knows exactly what happened. Neither he, nor Mila, have yet to acknowledge the victims personally. This video they came out with was a PR attempt to save themselves. It failed miserably.

@heartshapedisle

8 ай бұрын

💯 correct

@kssteph1

8 ай бұрын

I too have been waiting for this. You have taught us so much

@SilentThundersnow

8 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@Rickuttto

8 ай бұрын

@basking-in-it EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY!! Well said!

@kidwave1

8 ай бұрын

Why cant you say the word rape? The 60 Minutes Australia video says it SEVEN SECONDS into their video, ...and again at just over the 1 minute mark!

Yay! I’m so pleased you’re doing this one! I’m glad you’re feeling better, Spidey. Thanks for all you do!

@BayBaeAngel

8 ай бұрын

Great analysis as always. However, I disagree with your interpretation of Mila’s eye flash when Ashton said the family asked them to write the letters. I think her eye flash indicates the cover up of a lie, because it’s a lot more complicated than just “his family” asking. Danny’s mother is a high ranking Scientologist and the entire family are public members of the COS. It’s 100% not just his family asking and there’s a lot more to it than that. IMO, that eye flash indicates her attempt to cover up the lie. In all honestly, she never was a very good actress. Thanks again! I really enjoy your channel.

@blister9366

8 ай бұрын

​@BayBaeAngel I agree but I think that eye brow raise was because she's pissed they even asked and her husband agreed on behalf of both of them. She play have wanted to remain silent like Topher grace and his wife

Amazing video as always Spidey! Have a lovely day/afternoon/night everyone!!

Always love your analysis videos

Great video, Spidey and great points you raised. I personally think they believe Danny did commit those crimes. Mila expressed support for SA victims, but not once did she express support or compassion for the victims in this case. I think that’s pretty telling of where they stand morally. They know what their friend did and still chose to defend him, knowing that what he had done was accurate. That’s the scary part… you can’t be a part of movements that support these types of victims, but fail to support the victims that were affected by their friend. Just not okay at all.

@enalo6261

8 ай бұрын

Instagram post by one of the victims after this so called apology is really interesting. I wonder what happened in Toronto.

@suecampbell4811

8 ай бұрын

Brilliantly stated.

@skinnypete3104

8 ай бұрын

Whats truly scary is how you’re assuming and yet totally convinced yourself of your assumptions 🤦🏻‍♀️

Their individual character letters were almost identical. Not believable that two different people would design their sentences exactly with the same words and word order and emphasize the same qualities. Kunis letter was just half a page longer.

I appreciate these well-balanced insights (and where I had gut reactions, my intuition aligns with what you're saying, so that's fun). Awful situation, and I wonder if they might have more to say sometime down the line after more time to process. Thanks!

Ooh, that “on behalf of” point was a great catch

"On behalf of" can also mean "for the good of" or "To the benefit of". He saying that they wrote the letters for Masterson's benefit.

You never miss with these! Looking forward to watching :)

I really like the way you can look both sides, and give honest opinions

I see a lot of people going hard into they should've done that, and expressions of harsh judgment. But, as someone who's analyzed social behaviors for most of my life, people can care deeply about something (like fighting trafficking) and still be at a loss when it hits close to home. To me, their responses have just been very neutrally human. It is ridiculously difficult to face this kind of thing in your own home, from someone you were close to for at least a decade. The amount of strength it takes to handle that is super human and should be highly praised when it does happen, because most people can't do that. We handle what we can, where we can. Them funding the stuff to help fight trafficking is way more than most people do and it is helping where they can. Other factors I see as being at play are peoples lack of understanding of how the s justice system works and scientology is under estimated.

But she, consistently with her statement "not questioning the jury system", is shaking her head "no", as in we are NOT questioning it, but when she comes to the phrase "jury's verdict" she nods her head "yes", as in she DOES question THAT.

From the Oxford English Dictionary: on behalf of somebody, on somebody's behalf: 1. as the representative of someone or instead of them "On behalf of the department, I would like to thank you all." "Mr. Knight cannot be here, so his wife will accept the prize on his behalf." 2. because of someone; for someone "Don't worry on my behalf." 3. in order to help someone "They campaigned on behalf of asylum seekers." Definitions 2 and 3 would both fit in this context imo. Edit: Missed one: IN behalf of somebody, IN somebody's behalf (emphasis by me) 1. in order to help someone "We collected money in behalf of the homeless." Not sure if this distinction is only in British English, though. I'm German, so not a native speaker :)

Late with my comment here, thanks again Spidey for all your vids. As an actor (actress) myself, I agree that acting is about being and inhabiting the characters and not thinking about what our facial and body expressions are, these just come naturually with authentically being and feeling the true emotions of that character.

It felt more like an ad or a spot than a genuine apology or explanation.

One of my issues with the letters is they talk to Danny not doing drugs, and being a protector against drugs….. essentially saying the victims couldn’t be telling the truth bc Danny was anti-drugs….. why would he drug all these women? The jury found that he drugged them. It’s no longer up for debate and evidence review.

@a.ashley5292

8 ай бұрын

Their letters were so bizarre. Emphasizing his lack of drug use doesn't make any sense. If anything, they made themselves look stupid and kinda manipulative, much like this apology video of theirs. I mean, him being Mr. Sober doesn't have anything to do with sexual assault. So dumb.

Thanks Spidey. This was the most comprehensive analysis I have seen so far. I really appreciate you breaking this down to explain what I was intuitively feeling when watching this non-apology video.

Hey Spidey, I really like your analyses and your insights on so many cases. I learn a lot from you. Thank you very much! Usually I am very much in line with what you analise, but this time I have loads and loads of additional impressions I want to share with you. First I think it is important to know that I know several people who were for many, many years very close to a man who was found to be a criminal (sexual abuse) and who was found to have lived several lifes. Those people I know had believably no idea what was going on. What they experienced was at first shock and unbelive. They were super close, how could he have hidden all these things and have talked about virtues and stuff. It took them years to emotionally distance themselves from the criminal ex-friend, although they firmly oppose any abuse or other crimes. There seems to be a psychological background to this behaviour, this struggle to emotionally dissolve your positive bonds with a good longterm friend and in case of my friends they have always looked up to the man and never known about his evil doings. Before I start my comment I want to point out that I really don't know anything about this case. I know Ashton and Mila only to be actors and have seen them only very few times on footage on the red carpet, but don't recall seeing any movies or TV series they were in. And this convicted guy I don't know anything about, not about what he has done and nothing about his victims. All I know is from the information provided in this video from you, Spidey. So I would consider myself as a pretty neutral observer in this case. I am a highly empathic person, I would call me a highy sensitive person concerning emotions and acustics, for I often get overwhelmed with strong emotions of other people on the one side. On the other side I can e.g. give a talk an know exactly when the emotion of some listeners turn contemplative or even negative and I can tell where in the room this or these person(s) are, even if I don't know who exactly. When I talk to people 1:1 my empathic capability is also very precise. In addition to that I am a medical doctor (family medicine), so I am used to dealing with people in crisis. So here are my impressions: Intuitively I felt that the lip compressions they made while the other person talked would mean Mila and Ashton were sorry, they wrote their letters in the first place. They felt the need to explane, why they did this and that they had not the intention to hurt already hurt victims. They had not the intention to negate the crimes the convicted has done. I feel like they simply could not imagine him to have lived a double life and have truely experienced the convicted as a nice person only. The lip compressions after Ashton is done speaking again feel to me like he whishes he hadn't written the letters for the pain they have caused. There is even a not at the same time as the lip compression indicating to me that now he feels like he has set some of the accusations towards him straight, acknowledges the pain he has caused with the letter and at the same time he says Mila he is done talking for now, underlined by his short little look towards her. In this first time you show the lip compression at the end of his talking he even has to swollow which feels to me like something people do more when they are truely sad or sorry. Of course the try to distance themselves from the letters and from the convictor. I find this a natural thing to do because when there is a strongly negative situation your psyche trys to shove it away. They are clearly on the defence here and have not jet had much time to get this sorted out in their minds. To me it feels like their pain is still very fresh for having caused pain and for being deceived. When Mila does the super short smile as you have pointed out, Spidey, I felt like it was a smile indicating a warm relationship between her and the convicted or his family, but then she almost instantly realises that he is a convicted cruel man. I think this is so new to her that her spontanious emotions have simply not yet realised how deceived she has been by this man. Concerning the eyebrows pointed downward by Ashton I felt like he really feels almost despair, an expression of a downpressed feeling. Maybe I have a wrong view of this gesture in this certain video as I am from Germany, but to me it seemed sad. His eyes are small and don't 'sparcle' as in anger and all in all he seems to have this downward 'protecting' posture indicating to me that he is sad about what has happened and empathic towards the victims. This is emphasised by the head dip down when he talks about the pain that the letters caused. Now concerning the set up: I feel like they have this acute need to answer, to get the truth how they feel off of their chests. So they didn't go to a professional set up. And they wanted nothing to be in the way between them an the audience. I think concerning this set up, the absence of much make up and their clothes: Especially as they are used to the many efforts being put into making everything and everyone look perfect they decided to actively avoid those things to show themselves as they are, without any barrier. I have heard so often how important it is for actors to get their dress and make up to get into their roles. So maybe now they want to show how this is them alone and direct. It feels like they were at their garden hut, even in their private home somewhere, with the need of the beauty of nature for them to see and with them inviting them into their private thoughts as well as into their private home. (I suppose the home is usually sacred for most actors apart from some incenated visits of press showing house and furniture.) So this bare visual aspect underlines to me how they want to be truthfull. I personally would always dress up at least in front of a camera, but I feel like they have done this choice purpusefully. Why would they film a video like this with maybe several takes correcting anything but then not correcting this bare look to it? To me it does not feel casual, it feels like someone open their hearts so deeply that they need their home around them and not wanting to have any barriers to block between them and the audience, especially no role. They wanted to show themselves. Now the end of the video of Mila and Ashton I found it striking how Mila said how their hearts go out to all the victims and then she just stops the video. I think they should have this lingering for some time and giving the audience time to feel their sorry. But I think this is still so fresh for them, that they, especially Mila wants to be done with this, because it confronts her with these horrible crimes and her writing about how positive she has felt the convicted has seemed. She seems to me like a sensible person as myself, a peace-needy person and I know this need to be done with something so uncomfortable. So even though I thougt this to be not ideal I think it still proves the autenthicity of her feelings. All in all I had from the beginning a very strong emotional impression of Ashton and Mila. I felt their sadness and their sorry and how uncomfortable they feel, beeing perceived as someone who doesn't care about violence. I have seldom seen two people open up emotionally as much as these two have in this video and I believe them.

I have been waiting for this! I figure if anyone could honestly explain what they really feel