Love seeing these old races. Great battle... Ashford was Classy!

This was a classic battle but Ashford came out on top. Evelyn was a class act who was a joy to watch.

@jamezkpal2361

3 жыл бұрын

I loved watching that tiny thing blaze past those big athletes. And year after year. She was the SAFP of my generation; not quite so quick but stronger.

@hassanabdur-rahman1559

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamezkpal2361 Shelly Ann Fraiser Price does remind me a lot of Evelyn. They have similar personalities.

@Pooquie1

3 жыл бұрын

@Gary Pollard Thanks for the info.........have a great day!

@joeortiz7715

3 жыл бұрын

She was blessed with Fast twitch muscles, pure and simple. 👍

@mombojom3

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamezkpal2361 What’s funny is that Ashford is like 4-5 inches taller than SAPF (5’5 vs 5’0/5’1), but compared to some of the Germans & Jamaicans Merlene Ottey & Grace Jackson, she appeared tiny.

Great run by Evelyn. She was simply the best!

Evelyn my favorite all time female athlete..never put herself out their to be the queen of track and field in my estimation but she demonstrated her willingness to win on the track..in closing a clean runner you got my point..

Evelyn Ashford had the most amazing last 50 meters - her ability to maintain her speed at the end of her race was unparalleled...

@dudea729

7 жыл бұрын

AHC63 What about Ottey at her best - 21.66, 21.64? Most of her races in 1991 (bar the 100m & 200m 1991 WC finals of course!)

@AHC63

7 жыл бұрын

Absolutely - fantastic runner!

@jokerwildest

7 жыл бұрын

Ashford was the best at relaxing and letting it happen, which is the key to great sprinting.

@grantgoffin4774

4 жыл бұрын

@@dudea729 Ottey always died at the very end of 200 metres, even her best ones she ran those times.

@sundromos9456

Жыл бұрын

Although her 400PB was 51.57, I wonder, had she trained for that distance, if she could've competed w/ Koch and other noted 400 runners. Dreschler doesn't seem to have done much in distances longer than 200, and her PB in the 100 couldn't compete with Evelyn's. This was a lesson for Ms. Dreschler: The race is 200 meters - not 185.

Right On Ms. Ashford! Git It Mama! ❤️

Ashford and Calvin Smith. The ONLY world class sprinters I never suspected of being suped-up.

@eyesthatsmile-heartthatlov8050

2 жыл бұрын

Like what you suspect means anything.

@joeortiz7715

23 күн бұрын

They were naturally gifted, unlike the East Europeans. It's not rocket science.

Evelyn was a track darling and greatest clean female sprinter in history of world track athletics....

@stevebbuk

3 жыл бұрын

I concur Stephen.

@veridicusmaximus6010

3 жыл бұрын

I'll go with Privalova or Felix.

@gatormark

3 жыл бұрын

IMO, Ashford is the greatest women's track star in USA history.

@arturarturos7050

10 ай бұрын

Clean? She took the shower more than others? Couse for sure she was doping...

Everyone forgets how good Ashford was in the 200 due to all her success in the 100. Ironically, she considered the 200 her best event.

@pmodel1

4 жыл бұрын

I can believe it because her finishes were always so strong. Usually that's indicative of a great 200m runner

@Sargebri

4 жыл бұрын

@@pmodel1 Yep. She would have competed in both the 100 and 200 in Los Angeles but at the Olympic trials she pulled up in the heats when she felt a twinge in her hamstring.

@redd605

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sargebri yes because in 1983 world championship I think she got a injury to recover and be Olympic champion and get a silver in1988 to have that long a career at the top is incredible

@Sargebri

3 жыл бұрын

@@redd605 yep. She pulled her hamstring halfway through the 100 meter final. The next year she not only won the Olympic gold medal in the 100 but a few weeks later she broke her own world record and beat her main rival Gohr in the process.

@redd605

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sargebri I think it was Zurich Switzerland after the Olympic when East Germany and others who missed the games made a big turnout the mini Olympics

Dreschler Gohr etc etc are these (former) east germans clean? Evelyn Ashfords victories over these suspect characters are worth more than gold. Her courage to take them on itself is worth a seperate medal - a platinum one.

@fitfinlay999

23 күн бұрын

Some of them were even men .

For all of you accusers, let me set the record straight. Evelyn Ashford did not use any steroids or drugs. She was clean all the time, and trained hard. My friends are close friends with her trainers and her coaches, and they flat out said: No drugs were ever used on Evelyn.

@Sargebri

7 жыл бұрын

Yep. Evelyn was never part of the roid crowd. In fact, if she was she probably wouldn't have been as pudgy. No insult intended because I thought Evelyn was a beautiful lady. But that shows that she wasn't all muscled up and did things naturally.

@joeortiz7715

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah. She was around since the mid seventies and had to train that much harder, just to compete against the doped up Eastern Europeans. Mainly the East Germans.

@mecpeec9478

4 жыл бұрын

It would be very strange if her coaches would say to friends of your close friends something like: we are using turinabol secretly, but please, don't tell anybody! It should be correct to say they managed to hide it from doping control.

@andersonarmstrong2650

3 жыл бұрын

@@mecpeec9478 Not even close! She was clean, but you might need to be Black to know the difference. Her running style is liquefied movement not brute force. Accept it.

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

If anybody says Evelyn Ashford used PEDs ever, they are either impotent jealous nitwits or psychiatrics needing urgent professional help.

Thanks for posting!

Evelyn Ashford was the single GREATEST sprinter in history - grace in motion...

@mothertree

7 жыл бұрын

I think you may be right AHC63..I know she is a wonderful idol for all young track enthusiasts!

@alfaubert4580

7 жыл бұрын

Sorry gotta go with Irena Szewinska on that one...she is the only sprinter to hold world records in all 3 distances 100m, 200m 400m, the only one to win Olympic medals at all distances and the only ever to be ranked # 1 in the world at all 3 distances - and the only one to be ranked #1 in the world at all 3 distances in the same year 1974. First women to break 50.0 second barrier for the 400m, on top of being the world top ranked Long Jumper 3 times in her career as well.

@andresuston7692

6 жыл бұрын

Al faubert Who, I've never heard this name.......

@joeortiz7715

4 жыл бұрын

Al faubert Agreed 👍

@MrLoaded2012

3 жыл бұрын

@@alfaubert4580 Irena Szewinska is a great call, yes. The thing with Ashford is that many track and field fans feel she was unfairly deprived of glory quite a few times: one example is the 1980 US-led boycott, another one the highly suspicious Flo-Jo in the 1988 final. Not to mention injuries like the one in 1983 or doping programs that crossed her path (1976?).

Evelyn is so much fun to watch. She glides so effortless compared to the other runners. She is my favorite sprinter and so easy to root for

thank you for this video

I'm a die hard track fan, Evelyn had a natural ability that was brought out over time not 1-2 years. Remember Marion made the 92 Olympics @ 16 she was another one with natural talent but could not wait to progress to fame slowly she needed instant gratification and we all know the rest about her it's possible for women to run 10.76-21.6or7 if you look @ the times women it seems that their time are comparable to high school boys with national talent and it has been that way for decades.

It's interesting to watch athletics. The tall girl was clearly set to win this but lost. Ashford stayed on track in her mind all through.

@jamesclapp6832

Жыл бұрын

Drechsler was a long jumper, possibly the 🐐 in that event, and was pressed into service as a sprinter because of her phenomenal talent. She didn't have Evelyn's vast experience and simply lost control of her body at the last. Evelyn labored in obscurity for the first few years of her career, honing her skills. She emerged and then suffered through injury and childbirth. She endured. Heike abandoned sprinting for the toll it was taking on her long muscles and tendons, focusing on what was her natural gift: jumping.

Give it to Evelyn Ashford for taking that one. Heike Drechsler was in top form going into this race, but the American was not to be denied.

Thx fjknm, the end of 86 showdown is the tape I loaned and never got back, I wish I could've seen those other races you mentioned and thx again for responding.

Empress of the track.

She would have owned this WR too if she had run it more often. She beat both WR holders from East Germany during her day and she did it 7 years apart.

@enricoknaak9683

4 жыл бұрын

Amnesia? She lost WC 1983 finale. Won 1984 Olympia, but without her opponents. Wasn't even qualified in 1987. And lost 1988 against her own teammate. Without a doubt a great athlet of her time. But dont rewrite history

@MrVpassenheim

4 жыл бұрын

@@enricoknaak9683 Speaking of amnesia, she went on to beat Marlies Gohr 2 weeks later in Zurich and she did it in world record time, despite not having a good start. Want to speak more about amnesia? She's beaten Marlies Gohr multiple times in her career, once running her down pretty easily as the relay anchor in the 1988 Olympics. Also, her top 2 times in the event are faster than Gohr/Oelsner's ever were. Furthermore, she beat both Koch (1979) and Drechsler (1986) AT THE PEAK of their performance, and both those 2 held the identical world record time. In 1988, she was beaten by Flo Jo, who herself was clearly a product of PED's between 1987 and 1988, otherwise Ashford would have been a double gold medalist at the 100m, joining Tyus, Devers, and Fraser-Pryce in that unique distinction. Ashford chose to concentrate on the 100m distance, which is why she never broke that record. Without a doubt she is one of the all-time fastest CLEAN runners in the sport's history. ***Most importantly of all, EVERY ONE of those GDR/DDR athletes were DOPED TO THE GILLS (**en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germany)**. This is a matter of public record, and a HORRIFIC legacy of the iron curtain states. ALL of their times were ILLEGITIMATE, and despite that fact they were STILL beaten by the lovely Ms. Ashford.***

@andersonarmstrong2650

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrVpassenheim ALL East European athletes were doped from the 60's onwards, many without knowing but their national associations ran drug programs because athletics was a big propaganda outlet in challenging Capitalist narratives at home. Their athletes were full-time professionals competing against many who held down regular jobs back in the day. Later from the 90's onwards, professionalism evened things out. W. Germany also ran its own doping program to compete with the East Germany powerhouse athletes. Anybody citing these athletes without mentioning doping has an agenda as many of these athletes later admitted they were doped. In the US, there were doping coaches but it is yet to be proven that doping there was systematic in the same period. Of course defecting coaches brought their industrial doping techniques to bear upon those athletes who needed to bump up their times in order to compete with the mainframe cheats. Given this context, I believe Evelyn Ashford and Merlene Ottey ran clean.

@MrVpassenheim

3 жыл бұрын

@@andersonarmstrong2650 100% agree and perfectly summarized.

@andersonarmstrong2650

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrVpassenheim The '88 run-down was classic. It goes down as one of those all time relays where brute force had to contend with finesse.

For crying out loud, Drechler didnt fold. She just got outran, and not by much.

Evelyn Ashford is the "LOGO" for women's track and field in the USA.

Thanks fjknm, I wish u had the video, Ioaned my video out years ago and never got it back.

evelyn ashford sheer poetry in motion.

Drechsler i think is the Most variable Sportler worldwide..100m,200m,long jump,relay

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

How many times she got caught being naughty?

@hendrikjorke6892

2 жыл бұрын

@@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350 the USA put her in the Hall of Fame..so naughty she was.Think about the words,you write.

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

@@hendrikjorke6892 Hall of fame does NOT take away the fact that she got caught and served a suspension. In my book a cheat is a cheat, Hall of Fame or not. Sorry friend.

Good race that, as was their clash over 100 at the Goodwill Games.

Damn me if that woman ever once let down the good ol' USA

Evelyn Ashford was such an inspiration - good form and the will to win allowed her to beat runners who were not clean.

Stellar.

And it doesn't seem Valerie rose to the occasion when it came to competing against top tier runners. The 1984 Zurich meet was a disaster, or she just had nothing left after the Olympics, I wish Evelyn had run in that race!!!

does anyone have any 200meters between evelyn &valerie, the 1986 gran prix meet or it may be a 1987 meet i remember their times being 22.29 and 22.30 or something close to that.

What in hell was up with Heike towards the end? I've never seen an athlete lose their composure so badly. Evelyn Ashford was the truth.

@Brook-ct3kk

6 жыл бұрын

CHEETAH69 Steroids, that's what's wrong

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

Heike mistimed her juice for this particular meet. That's what.

@andre1987eph

2 жыл бұрын

she started her lean too early

Drexler had to adjust her Willy right at the end

Good win over the man from east Germany 🇩🇪

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah! There were several east german men strutting around the womens track at that time. Gohr Krabbe Koch...

@fitfinlay999

2 жыл бұрын

@@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350 and pumped full of steroids

@peterhammer6915

Жыл бұрын

Which man won the womens 100m and 200m in Seoul?

@joeortiz7715

23 күн бұрын

None, that was clearly a Woman with Natural ability. Look at the Curves.

The tiny girl, with a clean heart

@leifkunzel6701

2 жыл бұрын

They all took drugs in this time. It's always fun to read that the good US athlets were all clean and the bad east germans and russians were all doped.

Nice try. Drechsler was a beast. Coming back after winning the long jump wouldn't have been a problem for her. IT"S THE LONG JUMP, for crissakes! The truth is she was just bested by a better runner on this day. And no East Germans weren't the only cheats, but Ashford is one of the greatest, natural sprinters the planet has ever seen. From her physique to her progression, she's done it without drugs.

WHY was Dreschler wearing those athletic leggings instead of running shorts, or a runner's singlet? It's not like the weather was cold or rainy, or anything like that.This alone could have made the difference, in such a close race.

Heike was the female Carl Lewis back in those days. She would do the sprints and the long jump. As for Evelyn Ashford . . . she was a legend. Damn near untouchable in the sprints.

@ThaSpeedsterZ

11 ай бұрын

Drugs

It seemed the East Germans broke down the last 20 meters every time the race was tight. To much steroids

@SPIDERM0OSE

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, a side affect was, apart from giving all their female athletes hairy armpits, chests n beards it also made them grow teeth ... In their inner labia. Sadly the effect of this was severe chafing of the inner thighs after 150 meters & only the toughest of the tough fraulines managed to keep their form over 200 meters.

@andersonarmstrong2650

3 жыл бұрын

Too much drugs..

@royestondsouza4069

3 жыл бұрын

@@SPIDERM0OSE hahahahaha 😆🤣😂😅 simply love your imagination. U r probably right. Pissing my pants....

@SPIDERM0OSE

3 жыл бұрын

@@royestondsouza4069 😋😎👍

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

@@SPIDERM0OSE Yo! I'm looking around to see if anybody's wondering what the hells wrong with me cos I'm giggling like a fool!

The TINY American!! With a strong heart. I loved the GDR but Evelyn Ashford always had a trick up her sleeve.

Evelyn Ashford is the Shelly Ann Fraser of 20th century.

@smoothnubian

Жыл бұрын

Evelyn is the Evelyn of all time. shelly is a drug cheat

EA is one of the all-time greats. Watch her 4x100 relay at 88 Olympics in Seoul.

What happend to Heike the last 20m ??? She could have won...

I always used to cheer when Evelyn beat the Russian and East German drug machines

@lawmteachhakchhuak2386

5 жыл бұрын

Same here ...I could say I'm one of her biggest fans from Mizoram India

@miabrandt1926

4 жыл бұрын

... ignorance does not change the fact: the us sprinters were also doped.

@leifkunzel9843

4 жыл бұрын

When you are doped the same way or more you beat...

@waynehentley4332

3 жыл бұрын

@@miabrandt1926 Don't forget to take your meds, Mia!

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

@ mia brandt. Jealousy does not either. Ashford DID NOT dope. Period. Get over the fact the commie drug program failed to get the better of Evelyn Ashford 'The Zen Runner' and shut up. Mind is ALWAYS superior to matter.

What is the broadcaster's name at 1:16 -- remember my childhood in England watching that guy commentate in the preview/review of boxing events.

@Fatima502

8 жыл бұрын

+MoManny Desmond Lynam

@jaxcoss5790

8 жыл бұрын

David Coleman.

@andersonarmstrong2650

3 жыл бұрын

Desmond Lynham was the programme presenter/summariser, David Coleman was the commentator. Lynham was cool, fair, never a word of bias. Coleman-different story! In one programme he was pining for the East Europeans even though he must've known they were doped..some you could see the drugs in their faces, yet the guy lamented their absence whenever there was a clean sweep.

Evelyn , la piu' grande velocista natural di tutti i tempi

With only 1-2 minute break for 250- 500 push ups total, I think it's all in an individuals determination.

Mind you I never exceeded 165lbs, I always wondered if I'd gone back to track what my improvements would've been even tho I was much older in my track days I was nowhere near that strong, didn't have the natural talent of an ashford I had a lot of heart and that carried my as far as I could go. I understand your point of view tho. I just know first hand hand weight training can elevated strength naturally, even calisthenics can give you a bump in strength I was trained into doing sets of 50.

East German women so Intoxicated with P.E.D's..Look at that women's legs..like a man. Ashford one of last World Class Clean Sprinters..Even Flojo was suped-up in my opinion... Ashford clean and pure... without a doubt,..The greatest closer ever...Wish she could have run that 200 in 84 ....

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct about Flo Jo. Steroids put a terrible strain on the heart and Flo Jo died of a heart attack at a young age. During the latter stages of her carreer she had to run with her thighs covered.

@joeortiz7715

23 күн бұрын

She died from an epileptic seizure.

I always found the athletes calendar strange. They always hold the Brussels Grand Prix last when the summer temperatures in northern Europe have began to drop. (I am aware of the middle/long distance traditions of the Brussels Grand Prix) This is probably the reason why Heike Drechsler is wearing track bottoms. Wouldn't it be better is the calendar finished in North Africa or Asia where the temperatures are still high in late August/ early September?

@andre1987eph

2 жыл бұрын

high temps only good for 100M and 200M beyond that they slow times due to heat buildup in runners

25 seconds flat in a 200m Womens sprint event would have won Bronze at world level back in the 1930's before Anabolic steroid use. since the 1970's Women have needed run 22 seconds flat or maybe 22.2 at worst to get the Bronze medal at a world level event. That is a 3 second differential... at say 9 mps that represents an approx 27m lead at the finish line. That is a huge margin

Why did Ashford drop the 200 from her Olympic and World Championship programs after ‘83?

Ashford one of the greatest

Well kochfan, the reason I believe in ashford being clean I started bodybuilding late @ age 28 I'm now 42 and I do have some track background, I had freaky leg strength mind you I'm male @ anywhere from 142-165 I'm all natural never thought of drugs ever so weight training in track couple with a coach that knows how to train a person with natural talent I think the 10.7-10.8 are possible. I've never achieved that bulky bodybuilder look but I was leg pressing 1000-1200 lbs barbell lunging 135lbs

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct. Steroids enhances the definition of all muscles, major or minor, - the 'cuts', whether they are targetted and exercised or not. Clean athletes have smooth well developed thighs. Steroid uses have anatomy - lesson thighs with even the sub divisions of the anterior thigh well defined as if sculpted. This is not possible without anobolic steroids which bulk up ALL muscles, major or minor, non selectively. Clean exersing and weight training will bulk up the major weight bearing muscles and not so much the non weight bearing smaller ones. Nor will it 'cut' the sub divisions of major muscles. This is why Heike Dreschler is hiding her muscles. They are not naturally developed muscles. If that get-up gives her an aero dynamic advantage we sure didnt see it.

And with weight training and coaching not drugs the times can be lowered to some degree and they can probable run under 11 seconds more frequently . Just thought I'd past on some relevant information.

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct. Weight training gives strength. But not body building. Some of todays runners are body builders. It's common sense that the bulkier you are the slower you get. But steroids give you so much power that you are simply propelled along at speeds which are grotesquely inconsistent with your bulk and your leg lift and stride length. It's quite plainly visible if you watch closely and compare the running of Dreschler and Ashford.

@coreypeavy

2 жыл бұрын

@@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350 I never viewed Dreschler like I viewed the other East Germans that I suspected not being clean competitors, I just saw her as being tall and somewhat lanky, she didn’t have that choppy robot looking form as a lot of those runners( Gore, Koch and many other) j actually liked Dreschler) but that doesn’t mean she was clean, I just liked her as an athlete.

@coreypeavy

2 жыл бұрын

@@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350 Evelyn was 5’5” and Dreschler was 5’9 or 5’10”

Thumbs up for all Aussie athletes stay clean guys your time will come I mean it.

On the pace, off the pace..Evelyn was a closer...All heart.. Love my Flo,Flo.Jo... Evelyn is the queen.. Two of the most talented, sweethearts EVA.

Oh the good ol' steroid days

@Haraka111

3 жыл бұрын

You sound like a failed athlete

The stuff movies are made of

Evelyn Ashford is my favorite but I also like Flo Jo and Shelly Ann

@peterhammer6915

Жыл бұрын

Evelyn was probably clean, those other two doped up their ears.

Tiny Girl from America...lol? She was born in 1957 so she would have been 29yo here and she already won Olympic Gold in the 100m in 1984 and was WR holder.

Drechler ties up like happened many times to the doped runners.

@64fairlane305

7 жыл бұрын

and then the undoped outruns them? I see..

@vincibrug

6 жыл бұрын

Drechsler lost because she was tired after her successes in Stuttgart. In 1986 Heike was much stronger than Ashford, who won thanks to her ironed mind-strength. Heike Drechsler set 21"71 twice, the second in awful weather conditions. She was a legend!

@joeortiz7715

6 жыл бұрын

vinci brug. That's because She was on Oral Turinabol, like all the East Germans. Ashford was a Natural Athlete.

@vincibrug

6 жыл бұрын

How can you be sure about Ashford and other americans? Even the dogs know that in USA doping is LARGELY used by olympic athlets, especially in those years. I would be much careful in speaking about american doping

@joeortiz7715

6 жыл бұрын

vinci brug. Think about it. If it was just talent, why weren't the East German Men running sub 10s and sub 20s, for 100m and 200m and 28-29 ft long jumping?

Drexler lost HIS way in the last 20 metres

I used to like David Coleman, but did he really have to keep referring to Ashford as the “little American”? It just sounds so demeaning by today’s standards, but things were different back then. She probably was diminutive next to Drechsler.

Looked to me like several girls got off the blocks early!

@robertparker6575

4 жыл бұрын

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@waynehentley4332

3 жыл бұрын

Stupid comment!

Evelyn Ashford is one of my all time favourite athletes . To see her beat a doped up piece of junk like Drechsler is a joy.

@lawmteachhakchhuak2386

5 жыл бұрын

Same feeling here ..a big fan of Evelyn from.Mizoram India

@andre1987eph

2 жыл бұрын

wait now. youd be suprised at how slow track times would be without dope

@arturarturos7050

10 ай бұрын

She was doped too for sure

@welshtoro3256

8 ай бұрын

@@arturarturos7050 In the cynical world of athletics it is refreshing to know that Evelyn Ashford is universally accepted for being dope free.

Heike was doped to the gills out of her teens. She looked like Stecher did in 76, in 88. How old was she in Seoul?

@Haraka111

3 жыл бұрын

Come on man.. could you come in on something she did positive.. damn what's your fastest time in the 200.. not how many sandwiches you can eat the 200 m LOL

@couch.patati-patata

3 жыл бұрын

@@Haraka111 I can eat four sandwiches by the time she runs a 200m. All the doped GDR females had frizzy hair by the end.

@Haraka111

3 жыл бұрын

@@couch.patati-patata I think their country has some problems but I wouldn't say all of them that's over the top..

@SPIDERM0OSE

3 жыл бұрын

@@Haraka111 It was a state sponsored doping program dipshit, the official papers were released when the Berlin wall came down. They scientifically, systematically doped their athletes over 4 year Olympic cycles. Monitored their results, performances, diet, exercise, rest etc etc German style, precise precision on top of precision The athletes didnt kno wat they were taking, they just knew that because they represented their nation they were living a slightly better life than their factory worker friends n neighbors. Sorry to spoil yer "positive" fairytale.

@Haraka111

3 жыл бұрын

@@SPIDERM0OSE the last thing on this planet will be a cornball named spidermoose spoiling anything,,, now about that state-sponsored drug program,, did you see those papers with your own eyes not your imagination, don't get all Willy Wonka on me,, did you feel those papers with your hands.. did you hear those papers being read out loud,, were you one of those athletes being drugged up and not knowing,, where your mother one of those athletes, man. do you speak German I don't know maybe you do but I'm just asking... Remember this oddball.. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE ACCUSER...

Ashford was clean all you had to do was watch her run, she ran like God made her fast. she floated down the track every step was in balance, perfect movement, when you watched her run you could believe she was that quick The GDR only got close to her with the steroids and it shows.

@myke6699

9 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. With Ashford or someone like Kathy Cook (nee Smallwood), their speed isn't directly related to power. It's a more complex combination of natural talent, good balance of power and weight plus and innate desire to run (fast) . That's not to say that someone like Drechsler isn't talented (of all the GDR athletes, she's probably the one of the few ones that look like they could've succeed without drugs). As someone who has always been love with the sport, at some point, I have to say **** it, I just want to look at these women running. I don't care who won their races, who cheated because none of us can change the past. I know that I adore Ashford, Cook, Marlene Ottey (and even Koch in some parallel world where everyone cheats) and how glad I am that KZread exists.

@jubbadupa

9 жыл бұрын

Yes well said...

@redd605

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, Kathy cook was a brilliant runner,and to pick up medals back then,with all the going on in the 80s,and what we no now.v very special athlete,

@miabrandt1926

4 жыл бұрын

... ignorance does not change the fact: the us sprinters were also doped.

@MrVpassenheim

4 жыл бұрын

@@miabrandt1926 Actually, ignorance is repeating that lie knowing it isn't substantiated by ANY facts.

I get goose bumps when the American Ashford defeat the steroids-induced-East- Germans. Reply

@Ahornblatt2000

8 жыл бұрын

You dumbass you think your athlets are pure muscle and training.Wake up and smell the coffee even legends like Carl Lewis were doped and yet the American Athletic Association let him start in Seoul cos they wanted shiny medals.All top athlets are doping, all of them.What do you think how they manage to get new record and next year another one and so on?

@whatdidyousay3038

8 жыл бұрын

East German dude btw.

@MrYougotcaught

8 жыл бұрын

Mjölnir Uhm, well I'll play the devil's advocate and say they were all juiced up. Nevertheless Carl Lewis defeated the other juiced up East Germans ;)

@mothertree

8 жыл бұрын

we all did nunya...we all did

@miabrandt1926

4 жыл бұрын

... ignorance does not change the fact: the us sprinters were also doped.

Why wasn't the great Merlene Ottey in this race?

@jokerwildest

7 жыл бұрын

Who cares ....another drugged up bitch

Ashford is top 10!!

@gatormark

3 жыл бұрын

Evelyn Ashford is the "LOGO" for women's track and field in the USA.

The Americans putted some branches into Heike's lane so... ;)

Coleman sounds drunk

She didn't run the 200 much at all after 1980.. not at Worlds and not at Olympics.. kind of frustrating... Maybe 🤕 injury prone on that race.

Evelyn💊💊💊💊

since cold war, many times german athletes lose american. its game is one of example,many times first german lead,last american brake them. thats time heike drechsler lost game vs american athelets ashford,joyner sisters.

I believe Evelyn was clean, on pod cast victor conte of the balco scandal talked of all the years of scandal in track& field and many other sports from the 70's up the current day cheats and not once did he mention Evelyn ashford as a cheat and I believe if he had known he would have told because he mentioned everyone including Carl Lewis and the stimulants that were found in his test results, flo Jo , to what he feels is going on with the current Jamaican runners to tennis and football.

I remember thinking Dreshler was really a guy.

When you're on PEDs and still lose.

The tiny girl from America. Really tho

Back when the East Germans entered men in the women’s events

Drechsler started dipping for the line way too early, screwed up her cadence and slowed herself down, a common feature of many runners when they start to panic and 'want' the line too early.

@Brook-ct3kk

4 жыл бұрын

A common feature when the drugs start wearing off

@joeortiz7715

3 жыл бұрын

@@Brook-ct3kk Agreed 👍

EVELYN ASHFORD ALL THE WAY. DRECHSLER MELTED AT THE FINAL STRETCH. HA HA HA... EVELYN THE GREAT.

@grantgoffin4774

4 жыл бұрын

She only melted in the last 30 metres. She was actually a bit behind Ashford off the bend, pulled ahead, but then windmilled ridiculously at the end and got passed again.

Back when Russian and German men were competing in women's track and field LOL

@gns3185

3 жыл бұрын

lol dont forget the Czech Kratochvílová

@Hashwas

3 жыл бұрын

@@gns3185 LOLOL

@joeortiz7715

3 жыл бұрын

Ain't that the Truth 👍

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeortiz7715 sad thing is there are morons around even today trying to defend them.

All the naive fools that think Ashford was clean. I’ll give her due though, she was amongst the most intelligent roiders, but still a roider.

East🇩🇪ドレクスラーについて、いつも思うのは、ストライド走法の部類に入るのだが、🇯🇲ジャクソン程ではなく、🇯🇲オッティと似たタイプで、爆発力は今ひとつ欠けるという点、つまり切れが悪いタイプと言う事か？。長身なのに内側のレーンで、不利な事は事実だが、後半型の選手には必ず負けている。🇰🇷ソウル五輪でも🥉だったし、やはりドーピングで世界タイ記録 21:71 を出したとしか思えない。まだまだ隠されている真相が有るはず。それを知りたい。

nice one evelyn , and your cute too

ashford, she started taking EPO , long before marion jones. Drechsler was a nature talent.

@Haraka111

3 жыл бұрын

You are out of your mind... Did you inject Evelyn Ashford with EPO.... Then you try to connect her with Marion Jones... You are crazy non-american

@andersonarmstrong2650

3 жыл бұрын

Your post is the voice of drugs. Dreschler ran on drugs, admitted it. The East Europeans and East Germans in particular ran doping schools. It must've been if they didn't dop they wouldn't get a car or something..Anyway anyone who actually competed knew European athletes ceilings weren't able to come near Black athletes..maybe one in a thousand..so when you got dozens getting through to finals then, what else could it be? At every level we outperformed them in UK. Why should it be otherwise elsewhere? Kathy Cook was an exception but the dope clique did for her in 1980..That's why when WE began doping it got out of hand! Times fell through the floor. Guys came with gimmicks to try covering their game..no blocks, different arm actions etc, but no one was seriously fooled. America and USSR then locked themselves in the dope locker which meant competitors doped or ran for pb's.Heike Dreschler not on drugs? I think only her hair wasn't drugged but you never know! The drugs affected their complexions, lowered their voices, stopped periods! Only freaks got near doped athletes.

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

You saw? Why didnt you give a signed affidavit to the IOC? If it was so easy to dope on EPO and not get caught why didnt the (former) east germans do it without getting caught with their panties down like heike dreschler?

All dopers!!!

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

When your favourite gets beaten!

To put this race in further context, Drechsler had already competed in the long jump that evening (and won) so was not fresh like Ashford. I think that is why she lost her composure so badly. In addition, according to the British magazine Athletics Today (no longer in publish) she also had a bad cold, and decided to scrap the rest of the season after this race and took 3 weeks off training. To those that think Ashford was clean and the East were doped, it was just as bad in the west.

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! Was there absolutely no other fairy tale by way of an excuse. We are talking here about professional athletes not high school inter-house meets. Would anybody plan train study the opposition and enter the world championships in multiple events if they thought they werent up to it? The more likely reason she took a break was to review and reset her doping schedule!

GlaxoSmithKline vs Jenapharm 200m 1986

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

Sour grapes!

Evelyn clearly a woman - the east Europeans were questionable .

The Yanks drove a minibus through the ghetto n pulled up to a queue of people lining up to cash their food stamps n asked em if any of em fancied a trip to Europe & all they ha to do in return was run in a race. Young Miss Ashford had nothing better to do that week, so she said yes, & off they went. Meanwhile, somewhere in a laboratory on the outskirts of Dresden, the scientists had just administered young Miss Drechsler, who had been the product of their Eugenics program, her 8th & final dose of Turinabol that season, checked her blood work, gave her an apple n told her to go race, for her race. I must say, if Heike didnt hiccup n stumble in the final 20 meters, she might just have won it !

@royestondsouza4069

3 жыл бұрын

You are funny....hahahaha!!!

@SPIDERM0OSE

3 жыл бұрын

@@royestondsouza4069 😎

@royestondsouza4069

3 жыл бұрын

@@SPIDERM0OSE the imagination is through the roof hilarious.....keep up the humor.

@SPIDERM0OSE

3 жыл бұрын

@@royestondsouza4069 An artist can only be artistic in an environment that accommodates it. 😈

@royestondsouza4069

3 жыл бұрын

@@SPIDERM0OSE totally agree. Need to educate that environment.....no harm intended.

that was a really poor run by Heike

I said to myself 'what's the rotten chrono, it's only after I realized that it was women😂😂

Do you believe Flo Jo's record is legitimate? No drugs involved?

@mothertree

7 жыл бұрын

juiced up in competition? well I never...lol yep...she was!

@MrVpassenheim

4 жыл бұрын

It's pretty obvious she was juiced. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. On the other hand, every East German athlete in every sport they participated in WAS juiced and on that we have official records for confirmation.

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

We're talking here about government sponsored sytematic doping of athletes. No one accused the Canadian government of any wrong doing when Ben Johnson made a fool of himself.

Ashford clean, no way, they were all on steroids... I doubt any of them would have run better than 23.5 clean. Dreschler was talented, powerful and built to run and jump. She could clear 7.5m in the longjump and run 10.85 in 100m, Dreschler had used Turinabol for several years to get to this level. Just wake up and ask yourselves how anyone other Woman could outrun her or or even try to challenge her without using steroids for several years as she did. All Heil "T-BOL" BRING BACK THE 1980'S

@dcgrrl321

7 жыл бұрын

No one who knows anything about T&F accuses Ashford of steroids.

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

Its good you call yourself alcoholic. Because in addition to Ashford never ever been under the microscope for whatever form of cheating, any sober person would see the difference of the muscle development of Ashford and drug cheats. Also diiference of the stride length and the difference of the knee lift.

Hold your form.

@Brook-ct3kk

4 жыл бұрын

Take more drugs

Heike Drechsler Top !!!

@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350

2 жыл бұрын

Topless, I would assume!