"That rabbit has a clock" Lmao

@kacpikachu5951

3 жыл бұрын

ngl, I initially heard it as “that rabbit has a Glock.” Admittedly, I would not go chasing that rabbit either, but for a very different reason.

@levihoward4470

3 жыл бұрын

I am SowiLo

@CynewulfofWinland

3 жыл бұрын

How did you get that hammer in your name?

@AppalachiaFolkWitch

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynewulfofWinland It's one of the perks for being a KZread member on Ocean's channel.

@CynewulfofWinland

3 жыл бұрын

@@AppalachiaFolkWitch Ah, I figured. I was really hoping it was part of an emoji update

I was once called a godless heathen by a Christian in my unit. I laughed and said ‘heathen? Yes. Godless? I have more than you’

@user-cc7zc6vi9w

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on who you talk too. The mormons might have outdone you in that regard😂

@lysanamcmillan7972

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-cc7zc6vi9w For who they worship, Mormons have one and his wife. Nobody else. Mormons may believe they rule their own planet after death, but they don't worship other planets' leaders.

@F1reL1nk

2 жыл бұрын

What unit?

@60sspider-man29

2 жыл бұрын

@@F1reL1nk his unit.

@CadeD679

2 жыл бұрын

I am stealing that!

"One of the perks of following the Norse gods is every once in awhile a Christian will call me a dirty heathen... In which case I get to say... 'yEAh!' " Best quote ever. 😂 Great video, Ocean.

@haruhirogrimgar6047

3 жыл бұрын

Being called a Heathan by a Christian feels like earning a badge of honour.

@alanb8884

3 жыл бұрын

Who you calling dirty? 😄

@sonofodin6164

3 жыл бұрын

@@alanb8884 Yeah, who you calling dirty, Christian?? At least Vikings bathed back in their time. 😂

@elitevivid2475

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonofodin6164 no offense but that isn’t really Valid. Considering well Christian outlasted Vikings and well I’d hope everyone bathes so I get the point but it doesn’t really work.

@sonofodin6164

3 жыл бұрын

@@elitevivid2475 ... No offense taken, of course, but... I'm not sure I get what you're saying... Like, Vikings *were* dirty because the Christians outlasted them?... I'm confused. Lol. And, actually, sorry to disappoint, but... Yeah, Vikings actually we're more hygienic than the Christian's back in their time. Vikings would bathe (at LEAST) once a week, if not more. They held high emphasis of things like bathing, grooming, combing hair, ect. Whereas the Saxon/English christians of their time thought bathing and such wasn't a good thing because it stripped your natural oils away from your body. So essentially, the Christian's would only bathe... Like... Once a month or so?? That's fucking GROSS. Lol.

"if somebody treats you a certain way due to your religion, probably not someone you want to forge a friendship with anyway" very well said!

@Iruka1991

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, a group of friends with different believes that can make fun of each other and don't be harmed by it is as good as that. Or maybe even better.

@fbibarbie

2 жыл бұрын

I have the highest respect for truth seekers trying to break others out of delusions.

@thunderhornmitchell7532

2 жыл бұрын

Not every Christian is 100% close mined like me I have no problem with who or what you worship just as long as that person or group is a satanic worshipers then I won't mind talking and hanging and out and find common ground between us. Trust me ive went from being a Christian to almost having Norse religion as my own but it was not what I was supposed to be and I am a Christian again but one who understands a lot more then before

@zethrasgorgoth3145

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderhornmitchell7532 if I may point out something: "satanic worshipers" is a very generic term. I'm not a satanist, mind you, but there are a lot of people that call themselves "satanists" while their cult has nothing to do with Satan, but it's more close to the old celtic cult. While they still call their deity "Satan" it has nothing to do with the figure you're probably talking about, namely the evil ruler of hell and yadda yadda yadda xD Just a word of advice: next time someone tells you he's a satanist, try to look more deep into it, you may be surprised and perhaps find a good conversation partner

@end0skeleton404

Жыл бұрын

tbh my best friend is Christian, and he gets me some awesome gifts which of course I have to return; No Christian gonna own this Heathen lol

I’d much rather share the company of a man who can publicly laugh at his own religion, Over one that will publicly ridicule their company’s faiths for religious gain.

@cutiesoupia4900

3 жыл бұрын

Skål, lads. We shall meet in Valhalla.

@Amy_the_Lizard

3 жыл бұрын

Same!

@IainMcGirr

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@kesyj13

2 жыл бұрын

I like this one.

@zanir2387

2 жыл бұрын

or worst: kill you for make a cartoon of his/her prophet...

"You dirty heathen!" "Hey, I'm not dirty!"

@1SGCarter

3 жыл бұрын

"Yes I’m dirty. Your blood on me will make it a mess!"

@WolffangLightwood

3 жыл бұрын

"I shower regularly..."

@darkcorneroftheworld

3 жыл бұрын

I was until I took a shower, unless we are discussing the mind.....then yes dirty applies

@AveTyr

3 жыл бұрын

In Slavic languages, what is funny, latin paganos became поганый (poganyi) which means dirty, bad and it's synonyms. So if heathen is synonym to pagan in some way, then "dirty heathen" in Slavic will be 'dirty dirty"

@AveTyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@invivoik at least in Eastern Slavic like Russian or Ukrainian.

Also in response to the last line: Most people see religion as a linear progression from polytheism to atheism, but really its a big ball of wibbly wobbly, faithy waithy... stuff.

@MaxMustermann-ze1iv

3 жыл бұрын

reminds me of that doctor who episode

@1Ring42

3 жыл бұрын

@@MaxMustermann-ze1iv it should

@messianic_scam

3 жыл бұрын

not for those who really believe so why the jews didn't leave their religion since 3000 years

@1Ring42

3 жыл бұрын

Do you really want me to kill my joke by explaining it?

@messianic_scam

3 жыл бұрын

@@1Ring42 I know what you mean it's not even a joke but not most people think that

"Living in the south, that can sometimes be unpleasant." FEEL THAT. Hahahaha. Being a heathen in the bible belt is sometimes pretty damn wild.

@CrowDawg11

Жыл бұрын

If I had a dollar for every time the scenario in the into played out...

@Cthulhu2014

9 ай бұрын

Mississippi here

@koya326

7 ай бұрын

Not from the south, but rural Midwest. So felt lol

@Lakota828

5 ай бұрын

I really feel this one. I'm from the west coast but moved to Georgia a few years ago (for love.) It's quite a culture shock to say the least. (I can't wait to get out of here...)

Honestly as someone who grew up agnostic and currently identifies as an atheist this is so cool. I've always found religion so fascinating from a cultural standpoint and it's cool to hear the perspective of a polytheist

@odismaybe

4 ай бұрын

I'm ag currently and I find religion fascinating although I could realistically never join one again cause reasons, but it is so interesting that humans behave this way. As far as we know, humans are the only ones capable of it. It is such an expressive concept

@mykittenisaferociousnugget

2 ай бұрын

Same. I was agnostic/atheist but now I've been getting into paganism (and other polytheistic religions) after doing witchcraft (not satanic lol). However, I often look at things from a scientific standpoint as I wouldn't be able to put my faith into something without some sort of explanation. For me, gods/goddesses/deities are just personifications of certain energies (except for ones that were once alive). I'd honestly love to just ask random people about their religion, but I think it would be rude lol. Especially because I'm pretty neutral about religion. I don't necessarily think one thing is true and another thing is false, I just believe that religion is a person's explanation for things in the world and sometimes a form of moral compass or coping mechanism. I'd love to study the psychology behind it some day, though. It really is interesting.

@user-rb1fu5ki3j

28 күн бұрын

I believe there are many gods. Over time our technology advanced and those gods died out or us humans eliminated them. But spiritually they’re here and helped humanity while some were like Hitler and some were like the devil. It doesn’t make sense for there to be only 1 god. Doesn’t make sense.

@user-rb1fu5ki3j

28 күн бұрын

@@mykittenisaferociousnuggetyep exactly. Spiritual beings or race that roamed with us but one day disappeared bc we advanced our technology and people started believing into Jesus and allah. I also do believe Allah and the god Christian’s praise to is the same god but took differently like a telephone game.

@mykittenisaferociousnugget

27 күн бұрын

@@user-rb1fu5ki3j That's an interesting view, it makes sense.

All terms can be used. I like Asatru as a name, since it sounds like it relates to the Gods. But, at the same time... Heathenry is, for me, taking back the word from those who used it as an insult. Making it our word, is perhaps, one of the most powerful moves we can make.

@geogeo2299

3 жыл бұрын

Pagan even more, for the same reasons.

@1983SpringBonnie

3 жыл бұрын

@@geogeo2299 Absolutely. Regain the power of words.

@geogeo2299

3 жыл бұрын

@@1983SpringBonnie Or, the power to define _your_ words.

@1983SpringBonnie

3 жыл бұрын

@@geogeo2299 That as well.

@coconutconure

3 жыл бұрын

I love this take, you put it beautifully!

As a Christian, I love watching videos about other religions. It’s just so fascinating to learn what others believe in, even though they’re so different. Plus, I’m Norwegian. So I’ve always felt a kinship with Norse Pagans, as their beliefs are also the beliefs of my ancestors. I love you guys!

@TheFragileFeline

Жыл бұрын

Same, its also super interesting to learn about norse paganism because of the direct influence of christianity on the eddas, and the possible insight they give into non roman christianis

@TacticoolVIKINGBeard

5 ай бұрын

Skål!

@HeathenNatureLover

3 ай бұрын

Me too.

@mykittenisaferociousnugget

2 ай бұрын

I'm somewhere along the spectrum of paganism and I love hearing about Christianity. I personally think that your religion is so interesting, and I admire the ability to put such faith into something. Religion is such an interesting thing, I could talk about it for hours.

It's nice to see someone well-spoken and presentable talking about our faith. Good job.

I told a few friends of mine over and over again that I was a polytheist. I refered to "gods" plural on multiple occassions. I told them about my dedications to Athena. A few days ago I said I might get myself a necklace with a pagan/heathen symbol because while I wear owls all the time no one really associates that with Athena and they were like, "why would you do that?" To which I said, "because it will make me feel as if I'm part of a larger community and feel closer to the gods." And that's when they told me they thought I was an atheist and all this talk about polytheism/heathenry/worship of Athena was an elaborate joke. I genuinely thought I was out of the broom closet with them and they thought I was being edgey.

@trollarasan

2 жыл бұрын

polytheism is far more focused and practical compared to utopian Abrahamic religions monotheism.

@dandywaysofliving

6 ай бұрын

I follow Hestia, Virgin goddess of the first flame. 🔥 First born of the Greek gods, the first sigma.(lol) . I wear a wooden mesquite necklace around my neck because I like the look. . It was a branch I wrapped around my neck that dried out. . I'm mixed up with my faith but I believe all God's need love. . I mostly refer to Hestia and Hermes as God parents. . I ask people sometimes which 2 gods do you think blessed you and why. . If u want pick 4 at most. My last 2 are Hades and Persephone. . They also don't have to be Greek. (Just wanted to share and hear from others)

@DamitFeelsGoodtobeaRaider

5 ай бұрын

quit trollin then again don't@@dandywaysofliving

@bezoticallyyours83

4 ай бұрын

🤦‍♀️ Ay yi yi

"Hold the heathen hammer high"

@vizerakth7073

3 жыл бұрын

Great song by an even greater band!

@susysnakegirl

3 жыл бұрын

Always.

@Crunchifyable2

2 жыл бұрын

"Heathen hearts, pagan pride"

As a Christian I find all this to be fascinating, I believe everyone should be open minded and learn some bits and pieces of each religion. We all believe in something greater than ourselves and we should all respect that.

@thewarlocke5303

3 жыл бұрын

If more people shared your mindset on those of a faith different from their own this world would be a better place.

@thewarlocke5303

3 жыл бұрын

@@CD-vf7nf Ok. You do you, danny boy

@thewarlocke5303

3 жыл бұрын

@@CD-vf7nf Do people regularly ask you the appeal of your religion? But yes, summed up, the appeal is I found something that resonated with me more than anything else.

@thewarlocke5303

3 жыл бұрын

@@CD-vf7nf Time and advancement is not a straight line and black and white. Ever heard of the Dark Ages?

@thewarlocke5303

3 жыл бұрын

@@CD-vf7nf Which version of the bible?

As an Icelander it feels so surreal to me to see how much the word Ásatrú is associated with the AFA outside of Iceland. Like, there's a whole country where that's just our word for Norse paganism. You grow up using it regularly in history and religion classes, join the Ásatrúafélag once you're old enough, etc. Then one day you google the word and get smacked in the face with white supremacists and neo nazis

@OceanKeltoi

2 жыл бұрын

I totally feel you on this. It's pretty messed up.

@michaelmacak7198

Жыл бұрын

Agreed it is pretty sad, however in America the term Asatru is left alone for the most part by white supremacists. However I have seen a lot of them in Odinism

@oppaloopa3698

Жыл бұрын

It’s really awful. I’m your average white guy who used to find Norse and Norse related and pagan culture very interesting. I’m also transgender and disabled so though I’m still fascinated by the different cultural aspects, I don’t feel comfortable in the community at all and feel very on edge when I come across other American guys who’re super into Norse religions and history. So many awful experiences. It’s so disrespectful to y’all.

@sgt4204

Жыл бұрын

I am Asatru. I converted in prison. You all seem confused on prison use.

@Dusticulous

Жыл бұрын

​@oppaloopa3698 Hello! I am Amsrican and would like to say ignore all the dumbass bigoted idiots and just knock some of their teeth loose, I can help if you need it!

I enjoy the Heathen title, personally. Sometimes I do say "I am Heathen, a Norse pagan" as a clarification to others who might not know the difference between a heathen and a Heathen & gives them some kind of context to my belief system.

Hail to our ancestors Hail to the Æsir Hail to the Vånir Wise words and healing hands while we live friends

I'm a Christian and love studying norse mythology, its very fascinating

@jasonmalin1010

3 жыл бұрын

You know to the Norse the god of the rainbow ,Heimdall is the same christain god ,in panthiest thought this is possible .

@willtheman9178

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonmalin1010 That's pretty cool actually

@doktordanomite9105

3 жыл бұрын

Hey man ive read your book too a few times quite a trip.

@noahhecker6672

3 жыл бұрын

For surest I’m in the same longboat 😂

@Ramoreira86

3 жыл бұрын

Same here.

This is interesting. I am a Dane, and I use the term "Asatro" - Asatru. For most people I speak with, it is a generel term for the religion. Not meaning we only believe in the aesir, many still believe in multiple lines of Gods/goddesses and vættir. Obviously, there is many differences in paganism between America and Europe/Denmark. I am starting to understand exactly how different our religions are (yet, still somehow the same) by watching your videos. :)

@ianharrison5758

Жыл бұрын

Looking at the differences between the ways American and European pagans practice Heathenry feels reminiscent of watching the og Abrahamic church split into the Catholic and East Orthodox Church. We follow the same gods, only our specific practices differ, so as long as we stay true to the core of our faith, and are careful not to stray far from our roots, then our descendants will have a plethora of options when it comes to how they practice heathenry, should they choose to at all

Thanks for the clarifications. Honestly I was part of an atheist community where many people used "heathen" and now I know that is inappropriate. I became interested in your channel because I attended the Midgardsblot Festival in Norway, and witnessed and was part of a lot of Norse pagan ritual which I found really exciting and inspiring. And I wanted to learn more about the community, culture, and terms. Your channel is great! I think I'm forming my own path as someone who still strongly identifies as atheist, but love the way ritual and shared beliefs can create community. Plus I'm a history/folklore nerd

@burninsherman1037

Жыл бұрын

Even if you don't believe in the metaphysical side of it, ritual and celebration can be great fun for everyone involved! Plus, it's always nice to see someone who doesn't believe like we do enjoying, and connecting with our myths and practices.

"Sometimes Christians are like your a dirty heathen and I'm just like.....yah" 🤣🤣🤣 I felt that

As an Atheist, I generally don't call myself a Heathen unless I'm looking to get a rise out of some narrow-minded Christian. But I love learning about other religions and the history and mythologies attached to them, especially pre-Christian stuff. I can honestly say I had no idea about the definition of Heathen and I will happily correct those that try to use it against me now with the way you explained it, and not apply it to myself so readily! Thank you for the information, it makes me want to learn more and I'll be watching more of your content as well as finding more on the topics you were only able to brush over in 11 minutes.

@iloveyoushima

2 жыл бұрын

You sound like an edgelord.

@Dusticulous

Жыл бұрын

I think we can all agree radical Christians are annoying af. Those who don't try to shove their religion in your face are okay though

@bananadirt

Жыл бұрын

Isn't an atheist someone who doesn't believe in any god? No disrespect just wondering.

@OneEvanescent

Жыл бұрын

@@bananadirt That's true. The prefix a- is "without," as in "apolitical" to mean "without regarding politics." And "Theos" is the Greek for "God" (Roughly. Old languages hard.) So together, A-Theos, Without Gods.

@Draknareth

Жыл бұрын

@@bananadirt Yes, but some forms of paganism don't believe in a literal existence of gods. It's more a matter of a way to define social and cultural terms, using what they see as "mythology" to explain things that are hard to explain usually.

You are among the finest pagan scholars I've ever had the pleasure to hear lecture. . Thank you for this very eloquent analysis, clarifying the different emphasis of those who follow these different Nordic paths. I am a Gnostic Christian with strong interests in Celtic Reconstructionism, Advaita Vedenta, and Tibetan Bonpo Shamanism. Now, through the inspiration if your work, I have been compelled to delve into your path. I used to try to figure out how it all fit together, until years later I realized it doesn't! But I do feel that all these inner teachings of the different esoteric religions have validity at their own level, and all contribute to our universal human spirutual heritage, which is needed now more than ever. Hail to you, my friend.

"Asatro" is a well-established term in Swedish and likely the other mainland Scandinavian languages, to the degree that it's commonly used to refer to historical Nordic polytheism in school textbooks and such.

@OceanKeltoi

3 жыл бұрын

that's really interesting, I didn't know that!

@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanKeltoi It simply means "Belief in the gods", so it's very descriptive and therefore has sticking power.

@linusaman5858

3 жыл бұрын

@@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer I grew up around chrisianty but i converted to asatru because I found my self in the norse religion

@linusaman5858

3 жыл бұрын

@Trudy J okay in Sweden asatru is not an officiell religion

@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer

3 жыл бұрын

@@linusaman5858 It is though, there's one officially recognized organization that uses the term. But the largest organization calls it "Forn Sed".

Language is a funny thing. In Danish, I don't mind the word for heathen ("Hedensk") but in English I've always found out to sound wildly offensive. I don't like pagan either, but it's always a personal choice, of course. I also don't see our old beliefs as a "religion", because that word has certain connotations that doesn't really fit my idea of what the old beliefs are. To me, Asetro is more like a set of traditions to honour, rather than any organised faith. I suppose Hávamál is the closest we get to a guide on how to live life - even if there's no hard line on whether or not you'd be considered a practitioner or not, if you did or didn't follow the advice in the màl. But again, I think a lot of our preferences comes down to languages as well.

@joannajett2524

3 жыл бұрын

My main problem with the word "heathen" is that it doesn't exist i my language (French). It translates to the same word as "pagan", and the French word is closer to "pagan" than "heathen". So really, I can call myself either when I'm speaking English.

@amaryllisnightingale6309

3 жыл бұрын

@@joannajett2524 the word is "païen", right? And heathen would be traducted the most closely to "hérétique", i think. Which is sad..

@joannajett2524

3 жыл бұрын

@@amaryllisnightingale6309 Yes, it's "païen", or "païenne" for a woman. I'd never seen "heathen" translated as "hérétique" before. You're right, it's sad.

@dubhainoceanntabhail5262

3 жыл бұрын

@@joannajett2524 same here in Ireland the word heathen is págánach in Irish (Gaelic) which is Pagan..

@missa2855

3 жыл бұрын

Yo makker, I agree so much!

I love that in the comment section of your videos there's Muslims, Christians, Mormons, agnostics and obviously heathens lol and nobody's throwing rocks at others, rather they're exchanging opinions.

Very focused, straight forward, informative video. I often have trouble explaining polytheism to others; I'm glad to have found your channel my friend. Have a good day!

"Find a way, or make one." I love that saying. Something I've lived by for some time now without placing words to it. You got yourself a new subscriber. Thank you for the information on the different labels for norse polytheism. I'm a recent convert and this has helped me figure out what I believe. Archetypal Pagan.

I've learnt and understood so much more since finding your channel, thank you kindly.

I am so happy that a rabbit hole has led me down a path to finding your channel. I have been a hidden practitioner for some time, and just now recently opening up and being more free with talking about my faith.

My first intro to religion was my Apache/German grandmother, who went to church every time the doors were open, but in the very small (less than 300 people) village was jokingly called the witch . She taught me to not just accept the religion but to find yours and there were different ones that led to the same place . Little did that little four foot nothing woman know or maybe she did that she was my greatest guide and teacher. And still is.

Absolutely amazing descriptions! I would say after 10 years of working in the faith that you're doing a great job!

Oh that’s cool didn’t know Heathen actually came from the sagas, shows how many I’ve read 😅.

@MatthewsPersonal

3 жыл бұрын

Same!

This was honestly really cool. I’ve got a good friend in my school that converted to paganism earlier this year or last year so it’s really nice to get some explanations to questions I haven’t even thought of. Thanks for that

"All my friends are Heathens, take it slow."

@audunburns6270

2 жыл бұрын

That song actually made it significantly harder to explain to the girl I was dating what I believed. When I told her I was a heathen/pagan (I didn't ever think then to say a Norse polytheist), she thought I was just being an edge lord or some other bullshit. Once I said I worship Thor, she just laughed and couldn't believe that someone would find faith in "characters from comic books". I haven't spoken to her in 8 years lol and life has been better

@isaacmendes1926

2 жыл бұрын

@@audunburns6270 sad story

Your outfit in this is so fucking good Makes me really want a Hellenic equivalent to the mjolnir necklace

@OceanKeltoi

3 жыл бұрын

thanks so much ^_^

@hoplite723

3 жыл бұрын

@farorin you are correct, it's called a club of heracles necklace

@tangolima639

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen Hellenic polytheists use the dodecagram, the twelve pointed star, which represents the 12 Olympian gods.

@susysnakegirl

3 жыл бұрын

I have heard a lot of Hellenic pagan women wear the labrys double headed ax, and a sort of crescent with the points downward ellipsis I forget what it's called. And I think there was one that men specifically wore as well. Or at least young boys. Maybe I should look it up before commenting, but I'm using speech to text and can't really do that right now.

@WorgenGrrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@susysnakegirl Careful with that though. The Labrys has been adopted by Lesbians as their symbol so if you are straight, that may bring some unwanted attention. lol

just wanted to comment to comment. Appreciate the content and as always great work! Very helpful in narrowing down my own identification.

I always thought that “Heathan”referred to someone that was not a Christian. Thank you for clearing that up for me!

Extremely well spoken and fantastic insight. Thank you.

In America, me & my brother are apart of S.O.F (Sons Of Fenrir) an organization, or association or a clan if you may call it. We follow the Norse mythology. We really embrace the religion proudly. I appreciate all the knowledge you tell . Keep it up brother.

Jason and the Argonauts was one of my favorite movies growing up. Great video Ocean!

This is a solid, well thought out, and great example of parsing out the many MANY dynamics and idiosyncrasies about belief on the subject matter. Great stuff!

This is such a great video! Can’t wait to see what else your channel has to offer.

I’m a Christian, I have Norse heritage, even though I personally don’t worship or believe in the Norse Gods, I find them so cool to learn about. They had great craftsmanship, to my surprise they were very hygienic, I love learning about Ragnorak, Odin, Thor, Loki, and Freyja. They’re just badass in general

@dark5cythe545

3 жыл бұрын

thats how it starts, finding them cool. Admiration. eventually worship, and you then you have fallen from the True Faith.

@danielmcgregor1

2 жыл бұрын

@@dark5cythe545 oh please, just write paranoid on your forehead at this point.

@dark5cythe545

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielmcgregor1 Its no different than playing the oija board or having your palm read. Admiration for things unGodly is a step in the wrong direction. And I speak truth to sin, even if its uncomfortable. Better paranoid than forever in Hell.

@andrewsenecal6686

2 жыл бұрын

@@dark5cythe545 Things like this are the very reason I left the Christian faith

@dark5cythe545

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewsenecal6686just doing what the Devil wants you to do. After all, if you are not for God, who are you for?

This actually brought up an interesting point for me. For me i have always seen heathen in a very different way to how you just spoke of it. This has actually changed my viewpoint on a few things. Thank you.

So glad to have found this channel. Very informative to both problematic groups as well as general advice. I have only recently begun to follow heathenry and I very much so appreciate your content.

It's actually very nice to actually see another Norse Polytheistic brother. This actually made my day.

Been awhile since I watched one of your videos ocean. Love how you explain what I've failed to about our religion. It's been a decade (left a year after I was confirmed) since i asked myself "am I a Roman Catholic because I believe in it, or was told to believe in it". When I need guidance, I often find myself returning to your videos to learn more about our religion. I've read a little bit about it in a book of world religions my brother got. As soon as I started reading about the Norse pantheon, I instantly felt a strong connection to it. Great video and thank you for teaching me about many things.

I like heathen because it seems more generalized that can describe a broad range of northern pagan traditions. Norse pagan seems very culturally and linguistically specific. Asatru seems specific to organizations, less grass roots.

@nicokelly6453

3 жыл бұрын

True, that's another thing. Norse pagan wouldn't be entirely correct for more southern Germanic cultures, but Heathen works fine for both.

@smittoria

3 жыл бұрын

Pagan is also very general and just means anyone who doesn't subscribe to the main and largest religions. For Germanic cultures you could say Germanic paganism.

@Necroyy

3 жыл бұрын

@@smittoria ‘pagan’ still has offensive roots but some versions of norse paganism have names such as ‘Óðinn/Odinist’

@DanishHellhound

3 жыл бұрын

Asatru is just based on Asetro (The danish word, there is also a swedish and norwegian word for it) and it literally means "Asa faith" or "faith in the Asa" (the gods).

@oneeyedwilly8139

3 жыл бұрын

@@DanishHellhound if I understand correctly, it was Edvard Grieg who first used the word Asatru to describe the pre Christian Germanic religion.

Thank you, I am glad that I come across your videos. This video has expanded a lot and helped me to clarify a lot.

Truly informative. Ice been struggling with this alot

Yeah yeah cool video great points... but did you guys hear that 🔥 outro music!

@friendlychesspiece

3 жыл бұрын

Outro music is pretty sick

@OceanKeltoi

3 жыл бұрын

I don't have outro music, that's actually Chess making mouth noises as sound effects.

@friendlychesspiece

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanKeltoi lies!

As a Hellenic Reconstructionist myself, finding terms that others can understand is a big struggle. I definitely relate. I despise the term 'pagan' but have had to use it many times because they wouldn't recognize Hellenist, polytheist, Orphic, etc. The worst part is when they don't know what "pagan" means, and then it's just like "I'm actually not pagan, I just use that term because it's easier for the public to recognize." Nonetheless, it's always awkward trying to talk about religion which is why I usually opt not to talk about it altogether.

Another name you can use is Seidr. Which is basically icelanding for "The Way" or "The Tradition". In Sweden we use the term "Fornsed", which means ancient way/tradition.

Just found your videos and I am sooooo happy I did - thank you for your clarity!

When I use the word polytheist, people tend to take me way more serious. Heathen- you talked about the issue, ,most will think I am an atheist, If I say Norse pagan, some smile, saying "Marvel" and asking me If I worship Chris Hemsworth or T. Hiddleston... Joke aside, its a difficult thing, because especialy the norse paganism is so divided in how to live and practise the faith, its mindboggling. and there are the people who watched to much Vikings and thinking of themself as a new age Ragnar Lothbrock, or some badass warrior born in the wrong century, yelling ODIIIIIN on the top of their lung ( allfather may not be deaf!). calling themselves Heathens, and finally this highly despised political/race fraction which especially here in germany still makes you an outcast if you wear a mjolnir or have Runes on you. Or the esoteric wannabees who are running around in fantasy robes and calling themselves the TRVUEST seidr or rune masters ever seen and embarassing not just themselves but everyone who openly show his faith in the old gods. If somebody asks me, I say Norse heathen ,or polytheist.

@blueignis764

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, fellow German here! Question out of curiosity; have you experienced any grief/ conflict due to wearing something Heathen related? I usually wear my Mjölnir necklace without issue, and I have some runic tattoos on me and haven't so far (thankfully?) had any issues because of it. The only thing I am aware of is if you display the Othila Rune you'll get in trouble.

@fjeldfross9327

3 жыл бұрын

@@blueignis764 Not in Person. Some strange, irritated and even afraid Looks from christians about my mjolnir, some interested questioned, but a friend of mine was asked If she knew that her Mjolnir Patch was a Nazi Symbol... And If I Look at some rightwing Protests, I See a Lot of Mjolnirs, Runes and norse Symbols. And some reenactors have met some overachieving anti- Nazi activists as well because of this scumbags

@blackhand1235

3 жыл бұрын

I get the same when others see my hammer around my neck, but not often. Some just don't even acknowledge what I said, which is preferable to me. My faith is my own. And honestly that's why I keep using Asatru as my term - because no fucking racist is ever going to co-opt that with true success.

@nomadikmind3979

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackhand1235 the skin heads locked up in front of me would disagree lol

@greggor07

3 жыл бұрын

I generally find way too many traditionalists, wodanists and outright racists among the people attracted to Norse paganism. Also, I believe most people in Scandinavia and probably all of you in Germany are aware of what happened the last time Nordicism was espoused plus one look at the Neo Nazi gatherings today is enough. Good luck distinguishing yourselves from the Nazis, is what I'm saying

If you're doing it right, you don't need a label. Just live in the world as it is and keep adapting. Historical wisdom can be of benefit, but learning to put aside things that drag you down or cause strife and find ascendant ways to face new challenges is the ideal.

this was very informative, great video!

How am I just finding this channel... concepts broken down so well for my tiny brain. Thank you!

@OceanKeltoi

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you're enjoying it!

The gods were and now are again worshiped throughout the Germanic world (Germany, England, and Scandinavia) so I hate to localize it by just saying Norse. Therefore I prefer to say either Heathen or Germanic pagan.

@blurd6317

3 жыл бұрын

No disrespect to you but isn’t saying Germanic pagan also localizing the religion?

@kevinjs26

3 жыл бұрын

@@blurd6317 on a definitional technicality yes, but practically and realistically, no, because it wasn't the belief system outside the Germanic world.

@MMadesen

3 жыл бұрын

@@blurd6317 Germanic means Skandinavia, Germany (+Austria, German Switzerland, Luxemburg, Liechtenstein), Netherlands (+Flanders) and England are all germanic nations, with germanic languages. Germans are germanic, but not all germanics are german. So germanic is a much broader term than norse, which only refers to northern germanic people. And germanic paganism was only practiced by germanic people, so the term is quite accurate.

@dustinmckavanagh

3 жыл бұрын

Also would like to point out that Norse Pagans will have heavier worship and belief for Aesir Gods and German Germanic Pagans generally worshipped the Vanir more. They also have slightly different namings for the gods like Wodanaz (odin), Thonar (thor). Practices and beliefs vary greatly among Germanic Pagans.

@chadjcrase

3 жыл бұрын

@@dustinmckavanagh exactly, but we don't feature in any Marvel movies like the Norse!

That was very clearly and concisely put, thank you! I must say, I started out more in the reconstructionist camp, but have moved more into the Norse Pagan area as I have continued my studies in various areas of History and animism, etc. So yes, there is definitely a gradient between the terms. I still use heathen at times.

Thank you Ocean. This has in equal parts answered questions and generated others.

Amazing breakdown, Thank you Very much. Skol!

I find other religions fascinating. I don't come from a place of judgment but rather a willingness to learn.

As an atheist, I find the old gods far more interesting and love reading about them, while I find the 3 abrahamic mythologies to be garbage. I feel that the old gods offered a more down to earth approach. I have wiken, christian, atheist and agnostic relatives, and my christian relatives tend to be the most close minded. And the handful of pagans I have encountered are far more open to the fact that others have other or no religion. And personally I would rather find that a pagan religion would be true over one of the big 3. I found your video to be rather nice to watch and was quite insightful. Sorry for the micro rant.

@serpentinewolf7085

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Exactly the same. I’m always heavily against Abraham religions. Like the shit their god does is unforgivable but the claim it’s okay he did it. But other religions straight up call out certain gods for being vindictive asses.

@EskChan19

2 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. The biggest issue with the abrahamic religions is that they simply aren't compatible with this world as we see it. I have yet to come across a somewhat good explanation for evil and suffering in a abrahamic world. God is allmighty, allknowing and allgood. And yet the world is build around suffering. Animals needing to eat other animals, children getting cancer, heck even just dolphins and whales being animals with LUNGS instead of gills, living in the water. None of that could be the result of such a god. And the only two explanations i hear for that are "Gods plan is mysterious", in which case any plan that includes giving thousands of children leukemia is by default not savable, or that it's our fault because of "The Fall". Which they usually don't realize is actually an argument against them. Adam and Eve only realized good and evil after eating the apple so they were essentially innocent children before that. They ate an apple they were told not to eat and that alone is grounds enough for an ALL-GOOD and supremely mercifull being to not only cast them out of paradise but create a world made for suffering, cast them and all their descendands out for all eternity, and then say that if even without any evidence to him being real they don't believe he's the greatest guy ever to exist in the universe, he will send them to hell to be tormented for all eternity after their death? That's a psychopath, not an omni-benevolent ruler. Now on the other hand the old gods are never said to be all-mighty, all-powerfull OR all-good. They are powerfull yes, more powerfull than any of us, but they're not infallible. That alone gives any of their stories more credibility. Because the world we live in simply couldn't exist if abrahamic religions were true. But the old gods faiths, they can. And that automatically makes them more interesting.

@42Nightsyesterday

2 жыл бұрын

I understand your feeling, but I’d encourage you not to lump all people who believe in Abrahamic religious together because of your personal experiences. There are loads of open minded people in that category as they are close minded, but by generalizing you are replicating the failings of the close minded

@42Nightsyesterday

2 жыл бұрын

@@EskChan19 ok this is an interesting point that I think would be fun to discuss. I am not of the Abrahamic religions but I’ll make a case on behalf of their god for the sake of discussion. Perhaps it may be of use to image that we were god or a god. Of course we could create an infinity of perfect creation, yet in a way a thing of perfection has simultaneously no value. A flawed creation of its own agency is of much greater interest and value. A creature of its own agency has the ability to achieve full potential. A creature of perfection achieves its potential and purpose without fail, and without the possibility of failure the feat has no value. Yet this flawed creation can only retain the capacity for full potential in the ambiguity of God’s existence. If we knew with undeniable proof that god existed, we would do things not because they are right intrinsically but because it is god’s will and our of fear for him. Yet perhaps the direct intervention or interaction with god is possible in antiquity when documentation of events is inherently impossible to prove, while now it would undermine everything. So you seem to make the case that an all knowing and benevolent god could not create such a world full of suffering. A world of disease, predation and other evils is the work of a psychopath. Well I would say that is a limited look upon our world, for the amount of abundance and resources and things that exist to make life possible and enjoyable exist is just as much if not more multitudes. We have everything we need for the vast majority of humans to live comfortably and well, and the fact that we do not is by the greatest majority human failing. As Marcus Aurelius said “there is providence and there is atoms” meaning we should be fortunate for all the means we have been given. And indeed while there is much adversity from the natural world, this adversity could be conceivably far worse. We could have been born into an multitude of worlds or varying amounts of scarcity, monstrous predators and heinous illnesses. Indeed humans themselves could have been constructed worse, with greater aggression or libido. Our existence could be infinitely worse. Yet you might say the world could be far better which is true. Yet utopia in itself is a hell of its own. Utopia without adversity ends in stagnation, lack of purpose and hedonism. A reality where all needs and desires are easily met and risk of adversity is low leads to degradation. One need look no further than history for evidence of this, as the aristocracy of nearly all human societies through time lived in such a reality. Yet in the protection of adversity and fulfilling of their needs while some tended to good and profound works, the majority acted only hedonistically and worse. And what is the purpose of such lives? Now you may say then that though the extremities of utopia and scarcity are undoubtedly bad, that perhaps god could have put our existence on a gradient closer to utopia than hell is better for all. Perhaps this is the perfect balance of good an ill for humanity to strive for fulfillment. For good is meaningless without evil just a achievement is meaningless without struggle. There could be fewer viruses but there could also be more. No viruses would unweave the balance however for viruses and bacteria are intrinsic to balancing nature and have their role. Yet for children exclusively to be spared of disease would be miraculous in itself and evidence of divinity which must be avoided. There is also the point to wonder to what extent god is an active designer and to which he is an observer. Perhaps his only work was to spark life on our planet and sentience within us. Or perhaps it is all apart of intricate design, or it could even be both and neither at the same time. Either way, again apparent divine intervention would undermine everything Going to another point I would say that a literal interpretation of the Bible is indeed silly and a shameful waste of the potential insight within the scripture. Looking at the Bible through an academic lens one can see an intricate web of metaphor and symbolism that is secularly remarkable. To take the words only at face value is a misuse of the text, which unfortunately many devout followers themselves fall prey to. Anyways this is merely an attempt to do I better than “god’s plan is mysterious” answer

@ragnerschwarzmane3412

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the explanation i was given as a kid as for what happened when the christians meet the vikings/germans etc. For them Jesus was often probably just another god in a long list of deities. Their main point must have been: „A new good? Okay. Is he powerful? Where does he help? Can he protect me? Great. Sure, build a temple.“ This was derived from the fact? (Don‘t want to spread misinformation about such a nebulous part of our history), that before Odin, Tyr was the highest ranking god for quite some time, but when Odin was introducing he claimed that throne eventually.

Thank you. I am really enjoying your content. Please keep it up.

Love your work

I’m so glad I found this, I’ve been searching for the Norse religion, I want to further study and become immersed

@OceanKeltoi

3 жыл бұрын

Well, my channel is a good place for that.

I personally prefer the term 'Forn Sidr' or 'Forn Sed', which means 'the old way' because that's what our ancestors did. They practiced traditions that, although they changed over time like any tradition, had their origins in far ancient days when they were simply the custom as everyone in these cultures and regions understood it.

I love this channel, thank you you for this work.

This is very informative thanks, going to look into this further.

If anyone ever calls you a "dirty heathen" just respond: "HEY! ... I'm not dirty"

@1SGCarter

3 жыл бұрын

"Your blood on me will make it a mess!“

Thank you for opening the way in a positive, constructive fashion.

First time to your channel and I am floored. This was such a good video. Thank you for making it!

Amazing video!! Thank you!!

Hail to thee, Ocean! And merry we meet again.

I appreciate your scholarly yet accessible way of explaining the differences. I am a Norse Polytheist that also works as an ordained "Christian" clinical chaplain (and former Army Chaplain) in a conservative community and often have the opportunity to educate folks about the differences of terms like pagan and heathen.

Dude that outro is a banger!

Defining this stuff can certainly be tough. Thanks for this as it's really informative.

The intro alone has me hooked

Thank you for a great channel. You are one of the few talking about our faith in a knowledgable way and gives good credibility. You often refer words in an Icelandic language viewpoint, and I get it. Icelandic and Faeroeic languages are as close to old Norse language of what we have today. I am Swedish although now in North Carolina. In Sweden, we use the word Asatro as a name for the faith, the word is 2 words put together, Asa, the Aesir and Tro, meaning belief or faith. In Sweden this was the name of those believing in the Norse gods long before the modern religion.showed up again. It has no political connections. To become a legally recognized religion in Sweden there are a number of prerequisites that has to be met. One if them is the amount of followers. It was difficult for the followers to get enough names on a petition so the national organization merged with those following Fornsed or Forn (ancient) Sed (customs) and you can see where the word Seidr comes from. Fornsed for us are not only the Seidr but it includes the presence Norse followers. Asatro or Norse Paganism is a official religion in Sweden, it means it could have its officials conduct marriages (legal), officiate funerals, the "church tax" part of income tax can go to your belief system instead of the Lutheran Evangelical church. Word Hedning for us means Hed, a big open area with usually nothing more than grass and low hanging bushes, rarely.any trees. Like a prairie but smaller. The ending ning as in Hedning (heathen) means it is someone from.such a place. It has till recently been used as a derogatory term for non Christian's and pre-Christians. Growing up in.Sweden it was used to talk about someone or a group of people not being followers of the Christian faith or Judeic faith. Even followers of islam would fall into the heathen umbrella. Cheers from North Carolina

Thanks! This cleared some things up for me!

Great video. I'm very new to this and this was the exact information I was looking for.

That intro is epic You heathen. Laughs hysterically YOU HAVE NO IDEA

I truly thank you and I thank the Gods for finding your channel. I found your channel when I was searching Danheim-Odin and I see your video about "the wisdom of Odin" and I was surprised cause being heathen for a year now I watched his videos but your video and very clear evidence about him and his followers have had me unfollow him on Instagram and unsubscribe to his channel. Thank you sir for than information and the warnings signs I didn't see Tyr guide you brother 🐺🙏 and keep the great videos and content going 🔥

I absolutely love this!

Thanks man gave me alot of tips on how to talk about this with others !

Muslim here and I’m really appreciating the introduction and explanation of Norse religion.

Was not expecting to find someone so articulate and concise on the “explore”, I am pleasantly pleased, I half expected a cringe rant. Thank you!

I want to just leave this here; I thank you Ocean keltoi. I stumbled upon you, and from your videos, livestreams, and book recommendations I am delving deeper into my research of Norse heathenry/pagan. I made a comment before about being drawn to the religion due to really loving norse mythology, but was always scared to try to get into religion in general due to my experiences with christianty. I better understand there shouldn't be a fear to follow beliefs and religions that you agree with, and once I have space I'm going to happily make a prayer and alter to the gods. Thank you for helping me start to find my path towards norse heathenry.

Thank you, that was illuminating.

The suit looks good on you Ocean. A sharp dressed man indeed!

Came across this video randomly, but thank you for it. Very interesting and informative. I've recently been reading Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman and I really liked it. I'm myself an atheist, but I find polytheistic religions very interesting and fun. What I like about the Gods of ancient Greeks or Norse Gods is that they behave just like humans, they are not perfect and they can be malicious if they want to.

Clear, concise, very articulate. Simple video design. Most informative

Very interesting and I’m intrigued more by every video I watch

Interesting how this video was on my recommended... I’ve always had a strong gravitational pull towards Norse history and the gods and honestly feel they are just as real as any other. I’ve never been huge on religion (for myself or beliefs) but have always had an open mind and loved learning about different religions but the one that has grabbed my attention and felt tugged by was the old gods. I don’t know how to explain it but I feel as I’ve found something for me but don’t know how to pursue it or where to begin if I wanted lol.

@tylerrankin5857

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way, I do not know where to begin

@enl8ghtenmenttv476

2 жыл бұрын

Meditation...enlightenment, is a,or actually several hits,of Thor with the mjolnir...in Russian молния = lightning (= molnja=mjolnir)= enlightening...personal experience...thor used his hammer to resurrect = rebirth...we know these terms more from a Buddhist perspective/vocabulary but once experienced, it all points to the Norse gods...

@kevincross7168

Жыл бұрын

I agree completely

As a Christin I must say I enjoyed this video, I’ve always found studying other religions fascinating keep up the good work. Sláinte

This was an awesome video, thank you! I am learning about these atm as I want to know what path is right for me and heathenism has been doing so for a long time.

Thanks for the helpful insight, this definitely comes with a lot of nuances in the religion that is hard to understand for people new to it like myself