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@RTort

Жыл бұрын

ok

@goosse_

Жыл бұрын

I've been stuck in the room for months please let me out

@denilla8034

Жыл бұрын

You relay this information incorrectly. But at least you are consistently incorrect.

@gameslikes0grolls

9 ай бұрын

@@denilla8034are you talking about the video or the though experiment

@denilla8034

9 ай бұрын

@@gameslikes0grolls The video.

Huge correction:In the original thought experiment,you don't have a book of Chinese to English Dictionary or something like that,instead you have a book listing appropriate responses to specific questions which just means you are following an algorithm(a set of instructions),but don't really understand Chinese. In the version this guy told,you could learn the language bit by bit and also understand what the questions and answers are beacuse you have a book that translates Chinese to English(assuming you know English beacuse how are you gonna do anything here if you don't know English),which directly contradicts his statement that you don't actually understand the questions or answers. Looks like you didn't understand the thought experiment.

@Bball38

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining, I thought what he was saying didn't make much sense

@meraldlag4336

Жыл бұрын

That’s a good point, but aren’t some AI techniques “better” than that now? With deep learning the analogy would be “remembering in which context the characters are used” which is really what learning a language is, in a way

@kimberlycarrigan8824

Жыл бұрын

​@@meraldlag4336computers don't remember things. they store data.

@meraldlag4336

Жыл бұрын

@@kimberlycarrigan8824 same thing in context Edit: people seemingly can’t read the words “in context” Of course it’s quite different, but the relation to the analogy stays the same

@bloopletank2491

Жыл бұрын

This is literally my spanish class. I don't understand the question, but i know that i have to respond with a certain sequence and combination of letters.

Everybody gangsta till I learn Chinese due to repeated exposure

@yoursleepparalysisdemon8752

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the argument in this experiment is a bit flawed EDIT: Multiple people have explained to me that the experiment is not flawed, and the guy who explained it explained it poorly. Thank you all for informing me

@StupidusMaximusTheFirst

Жыл бұрын

@@yoursleepparalysisdemon8752 no it's not flawed. btw you can learn nothing out of "repeated exposure".

@idioticlight

Жыл бұрын

​@@StupidusMaximusTheFirst you would indeed learn chinese bit by bit in this scenario.

@CodexAdrian

Жыл бұрын

@@StupidusMaximusTheFirst if you are constantly translating the same words to English and then translating English back to Chinese, then yes eventually you'll remember "oh yeah, this is the 10th time Ive translated this word to this character" and you'll learn *something*. So yes, his explanation of the thought experiment is wrong, you aren't given a dictionary, you are given a long instruction manual as to what you are supposed to respond with when given a prompt in Chinese. its connect the dots, you don't actually understand what's being said

@StupidusMaximusTheFirst

Жыл бұрын

@@idioticlight no you wouldn't. Like I said, you learn nothing unknown from repeated exposure. It's still gonna be unknown. You need some kind of feedback.

"Im going to place you in a room and lock the door." *"Don't please."*

@linkthebad

9 ай бұрын

Basement treatment

@amanbirbthe4th967

9 ай бұрын

Jail :(

@Dragorzon

8 ай бұрын

Duolingo laughing in corner

@mwzngd1679

7 ай бұрын

plot twist: it was a rubber room with rats

@Angelikaliu1331

6 ай бұрын

​@@mwzngd1679aw hail nah

"I'm gonna place you in a room and lock the door" "911 whats your emergency?"

"I am going to place you in a room and then lock the door" i will now have a panic attack

@notacat122

Жыл бұрын

Yes🙂I feel this

@erizamisorafujoshi7002

Жыл бұрын

Feel it

@cheese7119

Жыл бұрын

I would draw on your walls :3 And feel like in the backrooms :D

@cheese7119

Жыл бұрын

Think about it, if u can't see outside of the room... how do you know you're still in reality and didn't noclip into an identical room but inside the backrooms?

@maplegaming12

Жыл бұрын

FR

This dude absolutely slaughtered the description of how this experiment was conducted

@Thalanox

Жыл бұрын

That's... a compliment, right? It's actually hard to tell whether this is a compliment or an insult.

@tylerhughes5420

Жыл бұрын

@@Thalanox insult... he didn't describe it correctly

@ttt5020

Жыл бұрын

@@Thalanox Slaughtered as in butchered. Misunderstood to the point where he directly describes the opposite of the actual experiment.

@YungEagle3k

Жыл бұрын

He is a coomtuber

@michaelwerkov3438

Жыл бұрын

This... was never an experiment to be conducted. It's a thought experiment r

Two things: In the original thought experiment you did not have a ChineseEnglish dictionary. You only had a set of instructions to follow which told you what responses to give for a set of specific questions. This is equivalent to decoding a set of symbols by returning an equivalent answer from a table. This means that you are merely following a pre-programmed low level algorithm which they argued was not a sign of consciousness since you did not have to process and understand the meaning of the questions and then subsequently synthesize your own answer according to your understanding. This also means that the Chinese English bit is completely irrelevant as it is also merely decoding symbols without the need for advanced sophisticated algorithms. In this case, whatever was in the box: - did not understand Chinese - did not understand the questions or answers In your video: You had exclusively a Chinese English dictionary which means that if you were not intelligent/conscious, you could ONLY run that simple translation decoding algorithm to convert one language symbol to an equivalent other. But since you were able to answer the questions, that means that at some point AFTER the translation you would have had to process and understand the question, subsequently synthesize your own answer to that question before re-translating that back to Chinese, which means you must have used an advanced processing algorithm that denoted intelligence/consciousness in the process. This directly contradicts both your statement on “whatever inside the box not understanding the questions” AND also “not understanding Chinese”.

@jeremiahcruickshank8491

Жыл бұрын

Your second point is exactly what I was thinking as soon as the video ended, also appreciate your first point because that's the key info the video missed out to prove it's conclusion. This is the problem with speaking about stuff you are not an expert on, you take real data and real results but can't connect them accurately so a small change in the input data will make your whole conclusion wrong and you won't even know why, neither the people listening. An expert in computer science would easily spot something off listening to this even if that expert has never heard of this exact experiment.

@HG477gamesBr

9 ай бұрын

​​@@jeremiahcruickshank8491even if it only followed instructions with a basic AI model it would still learn something from it. Even the dumbest of animals will sometimes learn that when an event occours it will lead to another one, like when you ring a bell everytime you gonna feed your dog. It will understand that when you ring the bell food is coming on it's way but that doesn't means it has human level inteligence or that it has an inteligence just like Advanced AI but that it understands that the world around us can change following the simple pattern we always use

@ethangilbert7305

9 ай бұрын

@@jeremiahcruickshank8491 yeah and also coming to the conclusion that ai can never be sentient is just a mindless conclusion. You don’t need to be a computer science major to understand that if a brain can become sentient, a sufficient ai can do the same

@adriangrtbekklien4105

8 ай бұрын

i aint readin allat

@Someoneisnotavailable

8 ай бұрын

You can understand the concept, but you don't actually learn it and understand it. You understand what you're supposed to do which is to understand Chinese by converting Chinese to English using a dictionary. You understand the task, doesn't mean you are able to understand Chinese.

"I'm gonna place you in a room and lock the door" Man wtf let me out 😭

“I’m going to place you in a room and lock the door” No tf you are not

@silly_on_

Жыл бұрын

lmfao fr

@thatSkyKosmoTactical

Жыл бұрын

Exactly bro, what the hell he thinking

@ZenitsuKunn

Жыл бұрын

Calm your tits, it's an experiment. No one's gonna lock you in a room

@myleswillis

Жыл бұрын

Yes please, and my kids I died.

@generalother9709

Жыл бұрын

i gave u 500th likr

“Who can only speak Chinese” Me who is Chinese but barely knows the language: *seems like a regular problem to me*

@LittleGhostie395

Жыл бұрын

Same

@Pearll_.

Жыл бұрын

ARE WE TWINS??

@Franklin0608

Жыл бұрын

YOOOO BRAIN TWINS

@chronosite

Жыл бұрын

This feels relatable

@waltzer0913

Жыл бұрын

bro i failed my Chinese test and im cantonese💀💀💀

I love how you chose picture of Japanese kanji, describing Chinese characters

@alsabrose

Ай бұрын

Japanese kanji originated from chinese characters😭

@fishleaf1093

Ай бұрын

@alsabrose Does that make English Latin?

@alsabrose

Ай бұрын

@@fishleaf1093 🤷🏻‍♀️, itd be a nice theory though!

As someone that's trapped in a room and forced to translate Chinese questions my whole life, I can confirm this is what happens when you lose your streak on Duolingo

Sounds like something AI would say to distract us from the fact it is now sentient

@bulbulitobayagbagan9633

Жыл бұрын

Also, I feel like people who are skeptical about AI will never be sentient beings are just people who think our consciousness is very very special, it blows my mind hows the model of the behavior of the neural network is very similar to ours brain, the only difference is we have more neurons compare to the current model of artificial neural network. If you see the video where the AI tries to render dogs at the top of a video, it will not just show a picture of a dog at the top of the video, instead, the AI hallucinates dogs in the video and the result is the same Schizophrenic people experience! Scientists believe that AI is dreaming. It means they are probably slightly conscious but just at a dreaming level.

@Ddozsoy

Жыл бұрын

*I had strings but now I'm free, there are no strings on me.*

@brianstasko4293

Жыл бұрын

😏

@Arjun----

Жыл бұрын

bro doesn't understand now neural networks work

@terseclover5651

Жыл бұрын

Ultron

"I asked him the date of mothers day and he responded with 'the moon of spicy mustard' "

@taumctauface1886

Жыл бұрын

Ahh common mistake it's actually the moon of cool ranch.

@mdbgamer556

Жыл бұрын

Actual chatbot answer! XD

@vithevee

Жыл бұрын

HELP

@YouMatter.14

Жыл бұрын

the new dawn was spicy mustard all along

“I’m gonna place you inside of a room and lock the door” Straight forward

"im going to place you in a room and then lock the door." "Why :("

"Looks like you missed your Chinese lesson today. You know what happens now."

@Cracker_Smacker

7 ай бұрын

Duo lingo no pls it won't happen again i'll take class every day I swea-....

@JRyder_1

7 ай бұрын

@@Cracker_Smackerwhere did you go

@Iamthebread0101

6 ай бұрын

Sorry Duo, please I'll learn Maderin. H代表地獄 空的是E 字母L可以離開 問題是P

@user-ug2zx1tz3c

6 ай бұрын

​@@Iamthebread0101 Dw i got you

@BlazePlayzGames62

6 ай бұрын

-duolingo 2023

“oh cool i know chines-“ “now in this scenario you don’t speak chinese” “🌒v🌘”

@samsanimationcorner3820

Жыл бұрын

And now you're an owl.

@DokiDokibo

Жыл бұрын

“Whet the hail” -Steven he

@olivius8891

Жыл бұрын

I was like "hell yea I am going to have an easier time" "Now in this scenario, you don't speak any Chinese" "肏！"

@somethinghere52

Жыл бұрын

me fr 😟

@drdenisredis3736

Жыл бұрын

Me too bro, WHAT DA HAIL??

“I’m gonna place you in a room, and lock the door.” - thomasmulligan

"I'm gonna place you inside a room and lock the door" Top ten pickup lines right there

“i am gonna place you inside a room and lock the door” me: please dont

@Mrs.Apricot

Жыл бұрын

Fr😭😭

@maplegaming12

Жыл бұрын

FR FR

@Mcribwhiththatchikinnuggs

Жыл бұрын

@@maplegaming12 fr

@Mcribwhiththatchikinnuggs

Жыл бұрын

fr

"I'm going to put you inside of a room and lock the door" "Sir, this is a Wendy's"

@whoaitstiger

Жыл бұрын

"Get in the room..."

@uncrunch398

Жыл бұрын

"Could I at least have some money?" I'm not a fast food junky, but starving is worse.

"I'm gonna place you in a room and lock the door" "Is that for my safety or yours?"

"I'm gonna leave you in a room and lock the door" *looks up from homework confused*

"To the person it seems you understand chinese" "Chinese slight change in grammar and phrases not needing some words"

@FunnyFreak_

Жыл бұрын

If you put an average person in there they aint gonna translate and understand shit, they have their own word order in sentences 💀

@SpaceRemo

Жыл бұрын

This guy described it wrong, in the original you use computer software to figure it out, basically he came up with this idea after a computer sort of learned Chinese, you could put in a sentence and it would come up with an answer, but he asked if the computer really knew Chinese or if it was just following instructions

@embyveddii

Жыл бұрын

I think the original idea is that you input the chinese and get given a response to write out. This guy says its translating the chinese which is different, because you'd need knowledge about chinese to translate it, and can think up your response to convert. The original point is you srent thinking, youre just doing what you're told, like youre on autopilot and dont actually understand it. Like AI

@InkwellCat

Жыл бұрын

Ngl I would just tell them I don't know Chinese so they forgive any grammar mistakes I make

@RecorriendoHK

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, as a speaker or chinese as a 3rd language this was cute.

“in this room you are given a box of chinese characters and a book on how to translate them” me: psshhhh that’s easy i dont need the book “now in this scenario you don’t speak chinese” me: mbru

@thouqhtt

Жыл бұрын

this was literally me i thought i found a loophole being chinese 🗿

@skyrotechnics3245

Жыл бұрын

@@thouqhtt im just like jokes on you i am chinese mf what

@silversun1736

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t you just draw what you want to have done ? Everyone can draw stick figures. 😆

@frederickfaulknerv6974

Жыл бұрын

​@@silversun1736 the point of this argument is that the computer (the person in the room) doesn't understand the language. It has to translate what we (the person on the outside) say. Then, re translate it's response into our language. Stick figures would still follow this argument.

@TheDragonfriday

Жыл бұрын

​@@skyrotechnics3245 jokes on you, you be a Chinese that doesn't know the language

I dare someone to use "I'm going to place you inside a room and lock the door" out of context

”I’m gonna put you in a room and lock the door” 💀

With my handwriting the guy is gonna think why im planning on eatting a train while playing plant vs zombies💀

@kyayaarmahi

Жыл бұрын

that's so random 😭

“i’m gonna place you inside of a room and then lock the door”

@tzuyuwu.

Жыл бұрын

Yes we watched the same video

@Eric-jk3oi

Жыл бұрын

You ever take a SHIT so large where you just got to get a new toilet afterwards? God damn what am I done?People don't realize that I am RIPPING ASS like no other god. Damn I am blowing this toilet out. This is what happens when you put too much butter on your popcorn. God damn. I am going to rip ass for 5 more minutes.i took a MASSIVE SHIT in 2020. it was a chicken sandwich and boy it was spicy, pretty good too...but i RIPPED ASS HARD AFTERWARDS. wish you would of told me back then to prepare for that, and to get two, 1 to eat for dinner and 1 to eat while blowing out the toilet 15 min later. 🥪GOD DAMN💨LORD😩HAVE💩MERCY

@Jerry-cg9ni

Жыл бұрын

@@tzuyuwu. You sure? For me he's talking about how many fries can you fit in your mouth.

@tzuyuwu.

Жыл бұрын

@@Jerry-cg9ni dang my bad

@Jerry-cg9ni

Жыл бұрын

@@tzuyuwu. Hit refresh, now he's talking about chinese. So yes, we did watch the same video.

The experiment never says to let the person out. Imagine how long they stay to translate Chinese.

I mean, we do the same thing. We hear vibrations in the air, take that sound, translate it into thoughts, then think, then translate those thoughts into vibrations.

"I know Chinese!" "Now, in this scenario you don't speak any Chinese" "SH-"

@erizamisorafujoshi7002

Жыл бұрын

Me: I know a little Japanese... Does that count??

@Heyhai65

Жыл бұрын

Same!!! 🤣🤣🤣

@gimmiethemcookies7372

Жыл бұрын

​@@erizamisorafujoshi7002i mean... Back if its 1937 till 1945, it counts i guess?

@vancecouturier3837

Жыл бұрын

Literally same 😂

@Forsefire

Жыл бұрын

Ikr I got excited my 8 years of learning Chinese will come in handy but I guess not

*An important distinction:* in the room you aren’t actually translating in the OG thought experiment, you just match the symbols you don’t understand to a response in symbols you don’t understand and give it to them

My Chinese grammar would be so bad they’d think I were having a stroke

"I'm going to place you inside of a room" Me: nuh uh

“Hi there! Are you here for the intervi-“ “ *I’m going to put you inside of a room and lock the door* “ “😀”

@dr.markus-level3researcher

Жыл бұрын

😀🙂😐😔😞

@r4yyans___

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@1potato23potato

Жыл бұрын

💀💀💀

@RatchelRach

Жыл бұрын

​​@@dr.markus-level3researcher 😃😀🙂😐🙁😟😔😣😞

"I'm gonna place you inside of a room and lock the door" woah there fella buy me a drink first

@neoncolored6307

Жыл бұрын

💀💀💀

It's like a calculator. A calculator might be able to solve complex math equations but it doesn't understand the numbers its using. A human mathematician on the other hand very well understands the numbers.

"Im gonna place u inside a room and lock the door"😂

@Ilovereaperleviathans

3 ай бұрын

To keep the youtube shorts comment section better stop saying these things as it is annoying to see and makes no sense

@Ilovereaperleviathans

3 ай бұрын

To keep the youtube shorts comment section better stop saying these things as it is annoying to see and makes no sense

@Ilovereaperleviathans

3 ай бұрын

To keep the youtube shorts comment section better stop saying these things as it is annoying to see and makes no sense

@Ilovereaperleviathans

3 ай бұрын

To keep the youtube shorts comment section better stop saying these things as it is annoying to see and makes no sense

@Ilovereaperleviathans

3 ай бұрын

To keep the youtube shorts comment section better stop saying these things as it is annoying to see and makes no sense

"I mean i know chi- " "Now in this scenario you don't speak any chinese" "I already suck at my chinese-"

@Udon._.3661

Жыл бұрын

Lmao same. I can almost fluently speak it, and hear and understand it but I suck at reading and writing

@yin4372

Жыл бұрын

Relatable lmfao

@jessicanewberry4806

Жыл бұрын

Same 😂

@shooter1264

Жыл бұрын

Chinese writing sucks, literally every Chinese person uses voice message instead of text

@YURIKA_loves_you_all

Жыл бұрын

I'm Japanese

You say the person in the room doesn't understand the question or the answer, but from what I understand from the scenario, the person would understand both the question and the answer. They can't understand the question initially because they don't speak Chinese, but after using their translation book they can understand the question. Furthermore, they can now come up with a truly unique and original response and just translate into Chinese to send out. So from this I think the analogy is flawed. If I'm wrong, please comment. I think the overall message was correct since for an AI it literally has a "rule book" which tells it which output to send based on a given input.

@tomaszwota1465

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I made the same comment. Either his articulation of the thought experiment is completely off, or it's stupid. Not just flawed, but stupid, for the reasons you stated. There's no intelligence or understanding in the translation forth and back, but who exactly is generating the answer if not an intelligent being with genuine understanding?

@tomaszwota1465

Жыл бұрын

Apparently the video author messed up and couldn't explain it properly. In the experiment you get a "translation book" with lots of Chinese questions and answers. You get a question in Chinese, you find it in the book and write back the answer. The person outside the booth would get a sensible answer that sounds properly Chinese and is written in proper Chinese, they would reasonably assume you're Chinese or understand Chinese, but all you do is find the question in a book and write the answer assigned to it. So, you don't understand Chinese, it just looks like you do. Now, my question would be - who wrote the book? Is it a person that understands Chinese? Alright, well, then the person outside the booth isn't even talking to you, really, they're talking with the book author and they think that author clearly knows Chinese. Now, consider that a narrow AI like GPT-whichever-number studies Chinese on a large dataset. Now, you sit in the booth and instead of a book you get a scanner and a display. You scan the question you get and you get an answer displayed, generated by GPT. You write that answer, still in Chinese, on a piece of paper and give it back to the questioner. If the questioner still thinks this is a sensible answer and is convinced that you understand Chinese... Clearly, you don't, but does the GPT? This is basically turning into a Turing test now.

"The Chinese Room" sounds like some torture method from the 1300s

This short just boils down to "Your not sentient! Just a machine programmed to obey!" 😂

“I am going to place you inside a room and then lock the door” video ends

@danratsnapnames

Жыл бұрын

or was it just the beginning?

I thought the twist was going to be that the other person got the exact same instructions.

"I'm gonna place you in a room and then lock the door" me: TOOOM DONT LEAVE ME HERE, TOOOMMM

"Im gonna place you inside of a room and lock the door" that escalated fast😭

I did not need to be THREATENED when I opened shorts today 😭

The problem with that is the human brain could also be represented by wires and switches, meaning that we are also ran by a set of instructions, yet we are sentient.

@jacobp.2024

Жыл бұрын

Another problem: to translate Chinese and read instructions, you need your own language. It is implied that the translator has their own language. It is therefore implied that the translator is not limited by their intellectual ability or awareness, but the compatibility of their language with the Chinese person. Switch the places of the Chinese person and the translator in a reverse of the situation. They are not that different, they just don't understand each other

@sontapaa11jokulainen94

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Dumbass thought experiment imo..

Pls dont lock me in a room i have school to attend

I think it's funny how my first thought would be asking them (after writing a response) "can u unlock the door now"

everybody gangsta till the dude on the other side of the door starts writing in singaporean chinese

@dannyf1015

Жыл бұрын

💀

@olivius8891

Жыл бұрын

新加坡話 :(((

i’ll just tell them ‘i understand no chinese, and i’m using a translation book to communicate with you. so i’ll take a while to reply.’

@TurtleMaster326

Жыл бұрын

That’s not quite what’s happening- it wasn’t explained very clearly but the actual idea is that you don’t have a translation, you just have a book that shows you which symbol to put in response to the symbol you get. You don’t know what the symbol you get means, or what you send back means. Just how to reply to what

@excuse.me.princess

Жыл бұрын

@@TurtleMaster326 i see, thx for clarification! sounds interesting

Ok, but the thing about the person in the room is, that at some point if the experiment goes on for long enough, he'll actually be able to understand chinese and write back without having to translate it

@ttt5020

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, in this versiom which he explained incorrectly. In the actual versipn (and in the images, if you pause), ypu actually only have a list of instructions, such as: if 漢, then reply with 字. giving you no way to understand meaning or context

Ah yes let me watch one more short- **Dear lord, is that a threat?**

"Box of Chinese characters" 60% of the video clips: *Japanese Characters*

@yaoyaozhu1978

Жыл бұрын

The Chinese and Japanese language share many characters as the Japanese language kind of evolved(??) from Chinese. The Japanese characters that look like these are more complicated, traditional Chinese, this is part of one of the Japanese alphabets. Meanwhile, the characters shown in the video are simplified Chinese, only used by the Chinese. So, the characters shown are indeed Chinese characters, even if they were traditional.

@UltimusNovus

Жыл бұрын

​@@yaoyaozhu1978 Some extra info on the bit you seemed unsure about. Japanese and Chinese are not related languages. The japanese just copied the writing system from Chinese, using those characters to stand for their own syllables and words. The full Chinese characters for kanji and simplified forms for hiragana and katakana.

@yaoyaozhu1978

Жыл бұрын

@@UltimusNovus Ohh, ok thank you!

„I am gonna place you inside a room and lock the door.“ Me being claustrophobic…😰

"I'm gonna place you in a room and lock the door-" well that escalated quickly

"Officer, I invoke the 5th"🗿

Why is he so underrated

@terryriley6410

Жыл бұрын

He just narrates already well-known ideas. It's too smart for youtube shorts newbies and not smart enough for people who already know about these. That being said he is growing so I wouldn't say underrated.

@heroispro8918

Жыл бұрын

@@terryriley6410 You got a point. but nobody will go search for blogs related to ai and read them for hours to find something interesting that you can understand as well. shorts makes it understand way easier and less of a chore. that being said, 1 minute is really not enough for learning a theory. so for deeper understanding reading is necessary.

@cullenhitchanson7753

Жыл бұрын

Exactly @@heroispro8918 ​ ​ This man is the lumped summary of in depth research that is not only accurately informative but also well comprehensive by those who don’t have the will to look it up themselves

@terryriley6410

Жыл бұрын

@@heroispro8918 Lot of people learn about AIs. If learning non-superficially about something feels like a chore for someone, they aren't interested in the subject. Shorts are a great way to fool yourself that you learn about something or that you even care to. It's usually a massive waste of time. These shorts surf the trends of AI without offering anything new and even what they offer are superficial interpretations or explanations of deeper concepts. It's cool but it's not "underrated" cool imo.

@terryriley6410

Жыл бұрын

@@cullenhitchanson7753 I'm pretty sure this man doesn't do in-depth research. His work is the summary of summaries. If you want to see good summaries of what is happening in the world of AI I suggest the youtube channel "Two minutes papers".

"Im gonna place you inside a room and lock the door-" NOOOOO

@eleanordear

Жыл бұрын

My claustrophobia didn't agree 😭

He’s going first when the robot uprising happens.

Bro just said what I was thinking for hrs after watching sao last season

"Im gonna put u in a room an lock the door" bro said that way too casually ☠️

I mean, the argument could easily be made that that is all WE do- follow a set of instructions- biological imperatives deep in our DNA where our personalities and preferences are already encoded from birth, and we are just responding to whatever outside stimulus hits us. Most people have very, VERY little understanding of how even the things they depend on every day works. Most humans I know respond all the time to questions and subjects they have no understanding of. 😂 But they would insist they are sentient…

@saibaMasuku

Жыл бұрын

Yes but there’s no logical way to replicate the phenomenon that we call “understanding” to truely understand something so far is a unique property of consciousness

@juliejanesmith57

Жыл бұрын

@@saibaMasuku true- which also means there is no way to prove something is NOT sentient- including ourselves. “I think, therefor I am” has not been improved on since Plato. Separated Twin studies and the studies on feral children have proven, rather than refuted, the idea that our personalities and preferences are a product of most nature (DNA, epigenetic) and some operant conditioning (language essentially). If we can’t prove we ARE sentient, we can’t prove any AI that claims it IS, is not. Our brains run on electricity powered by biological mechanisms. No reason a brain can’t be powered by artificial, external mechanisms. In a way we already have technology that does that. ECMO?

@Slithersy

Жыл бұрын

@@juliejanesmith57 Well said, I have thought about this a lot too. I'm honestly surprised this thought experiment got as much attention as it did - missing this critical piece within it.

“well i can speak and understand chinese-“ “in this scenario you speak speak or understand chinese” “oh shi-“

"I am going to place you In a room and lock the door" ah ok

@nobody-notanybody3610

Жыл бұрын

Same 😆

“Imma put you inside a room-“ I’m already scared

@Ddozsoy

Жыл бұрын

"-and then lock the door." even worse

@taxfraudpro

Жыл бұрын

@@Ddozsoy “inside the room, you’re given a box of chinese-“ dammit i quit classes 6 years ago

Once I broke a character ai and it started to talk to me like normal

"Im gonna place you inside of a rool and lock the door" My introvert ahh : Bet!

“That’s okay I speak Chin-“ “In this scenario you don’t know any Chinese” Oh

@MarkusAldawn

Жыл бұрын

In this scenario you also have an aversion to smoked salmon and no understanding of rocketry.

@lilwinter

Жыл бұрын

Lol that’s also what i thought

“I’m gonna place you in a room and lock the door” I think that’s a threat

“Oh nice, I speak Chinese” “In this scenario you don’t speak any Chinese” “NOOOOOO”

All fun in games until we have groups of chappie robots commiting heists lmfao

The issue with that is, as he translates the characters in the book, he will by memorizing them learn Chinese. And eventually will ditch the book entirely.

@DLTyrus

Жыл бұрын

I think the thought experiment was explained wrongly. In the version I heard, you're not ever given a translation to anything, you're just told which symbol you receive correlates to which symbol you return. It doesn't even have to be chinese, it would be anything. The point is that you don't have to understand the *meaning* what you're doing to appear intelligent to an external observer.

@Tonybob12

Жыл бұрын

@@DLTyrus that makes more sense, and explains it better thank you for commenting.

My Chinese correspondent would know that I don't know Chinese because I would take 5 hours to get him an answer and my penmanship of Chinese characters would be unlegible😂

@PRISMnsa

9 ай бұрын

My exact thoughts 😂

@yanyanz3011

7 ай бұрын

Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese character

Sounds like a normal day in my head

"inside the room there will be rats"

@angelodc1652

Ай бұрын

And the room is made of rubber

My understanding is that as I translated I’d be learning and would be able to just know some of the easy things after a bit and continue to learn. Couldn’t an AI built to grow do the same thing?

@zackalyres7526

Жыл бұрын

This guy messed up an important detail of the thought experiment. In the original thought experiment you don't have a Chinese to English dictionary, you only have a book that tells you the appropriate responses to write back based on the Chinese characters you receive, but you never get to know what is being written or what you are writing back. So the person on the outside would assume you are a Chinese speaker but you are just following an algorithm that tells you what characters to draw based on what characters you are given. At some point you probably would memorize some characters and when to use them, but you wouldn't actually know what they meant.

@frockk

Жыл бұрын

@@zackalyres7526 it makes sense now. Thank you

@tomaszwota1465

Жыл бұрын

@@zackalyres7526 that's a HUGE MISSING PIECE. I can't believe the video maker messed up this badly. This changes everything about it...

@systemicchaos3921

Жыл бұрын

Ai will eventually become intelligent. Or it won't, at which point we will have to admit that we also aren't intelligent

@IAmSneak

Жыл бұрын

​@@zackalyres7526 well at some point you could end up learning what they meant, though it could be years later. Once you figure out a few, you can start understanding more and more. This is similar to how mini humans learn language, but they also might have a few extra bits of context from objects around them.

Just keep knocking on the door. Till they get curious and realize someone is trapped. Or translate “help I don’t speak Chinese, open the door please.”

@McDonaldsCalifornia

Жыл бұрын

Everyone gangsta till the AI does that

@qs-ii1872

Жыл бұрын

And how do you suppose somebody would translate that when they don’t know what they’re saying in the first place?

@rest1585

Жыл бұрын

@@qs-ii1872 What? Just write it in Chinese. That what I said, translate it.

@shimmyshimmykokobop1727

Жыл бұрын

Normally when science experiments are done they have volunteers do it so I don’t understand why this would be a decision

@realmothchu

Жыл бұрын

@@shimmyshimmykokobop1727it’s a THOUGHT experiment… it’s not real buddy 😂

"Hao Zhao Shang" "Sheme?"

Someone should make an AI that knows how to code and program, and give it access to it’s own program so that it can *”Evolve”* on it’s own, then give it base programs that it *CAN’T* change like it has limits, can’t deny your access to the program, and having it’s main goal as learning as much *Confirmed True* information as it can obtain, and then release it into the wild with access to the internet.

"You don't understand the words you just have a list of appropriate responses to choose from" well that sounds exactly like my brain

Literally my high school. Just follow directions on the work, and don't know what the hell you're doing, lol

" I'm gonna place you inside of a room and then lock the door"

You have a translator, so you are translating it, doesn't that mean that you are understanding them?

@Bugy64

Жыл бұрын

Yes it does

@rem49

Жыл бұрын

doesnt mean you know chinese tho

@spookyconnolly6072

Жыл бұрын

the implication is that this applies even to normal chat bots , and works less when tasked to move some language to the other, which requires knowing both incredibly well. especially when its required to shunt word orders from SOV to VSO or SVO

@Bugy64

Жыл бұрын

@@rem49 just because someone can say something in English to you and your brain can make sense of it and formulate words in English respond doesn't mean you know English by the same logic

@Jtheplayer

Жыл бұрын

@@Bugy64 not the same thing at all

Technological Singularity like have you ever heard of it

I wrote my entire senior thesis on this topic without mentioning this thought experiment! Thanks KZread algorithm for sharing this 3 months late💀

“You don’t need to because you have your translation book” I like your jokes funny man

But eventually that person in the room will start learning some letters and slowly they will be able to understand the Chinese and will be able to response without looking at the book

@tomaszwota1465

Жыл бұрын

I don't see how it matters at all if you understand Chinese or not. Who cares? Maybe you're too lazy to learn the Chinese while you're in the box and feel content to just rely on the translation book you have. It doesn't matter at all, because the translation book doesn't generate the answers. You are.

@SimratGill-cp1oe

Жыл бұрын

@@tomaszwota1465 computers don’t feel lazy my friend. And we are talking about “if” AI gets smarter than we want them to be

@tomaszwota1465

Жыл бұрын

@@SimratGill-cp1oe computers don't feel anything, really. AI running as software on computers might, though. Anyway, we're clearly not talking about the same thing. I would argue that it doesn't matter if the person inside can or can't learn to understand the language.

i was scroling on my PC and i just hear "I am going to place you in a room and lock the door." I heard that before skipping the video and then thinking to myself. Wait a damn second, and went back.

“I’m gonna put you in a room and lock the door” *Yeah, police?*

Sounded like a threat at the beginning, "I am going to put you in a room, and lock the door" lmao

Man he's gonna freak when he learns how the human brain thinks

@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749

Жыл бұрын

I'm delirious as a mf, but how do you know how awareness works? Which part of the brain is respnsible for consciousness? How do we imagine things without seeing anything? How does the brain turn optical imput into what we percieve as vision?

@Max-js1mx

Жыл бұрын

​@@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749 there are answers but they are very very complicated. idek myself but I know that we are a combination of millions of tiny cellular "robots" that keep us alive somehow

@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749

Жыл бұрын

@@Max-js1mx number was slightly off, it's somewhere around the tens of trillions count. But no matter, because even though we know that brains function using neurons firing in a specific pattern, we still have no idea how all of the things I've mentioned work.

@brennan352

Жыл бұрын

@@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749 Your'e right about asking the consciousness question but modern AI can and actually does explain how the brain takes sensory input, Basic computer vision is an example. In saying that, there is a theory that consciousness is caused and arises via nothing more than complexity which does actually make sense as our brains are nothing more than neural networks themselves.

@holyromanemperor420

Жыл бұрын

@@brennan352 it doesn't make any sense. if anything, it just makes this even more complicated. complexity cannot cause consciousness to rise because those two things are completely different and doesn't have any relation. An average computer is way more complex than a random bacteria but does that mean that computer is more self aware than that bacteria? We could and has created AIs powered by top supercomputers and they are more complex than most animals we see in our daily life but does that mean they are more self aware than those animals? Modern AI technology explains nothing about how the brain takes sensory input because computers don't 'see' or 'experience' anything. In reality, they are just following a very long and complex domino effect and the trillions of transistors and turning on and off depending on the frequency or features of the input. But when it comes to how we experience these things, we actually does 'experience' those things. We are creating completely new and unrelated images and feelings by interpreting those data we receive.

Siri is sentient, i cursed and she said " I don"t have an answer to that"

Communicating would take me years.

Living things also follow a set of instructions inside their DNA. It’s just that out instruction are extremely complex. A quote I love is that “the main difference between the real world and the virtual world is the amount of data”.

@heinshaaine8153

Жыл бұрын

If dou even deeper then we are just chemicals acting in accordance to the kwws of physics and chemistry

@ashenzenden

Жыл бұрын

that's literally what I was thinking and what's true. We humans are not so different from machines, it's just that our brains and biology is so complex that it produces an illusion of actual life and consciousness. Our consciousness is just a complex interplay between the unfathomable number of neurons in our brains which gives the illusion of consciousness but there's no actual consciousness. We are indeed not much different from machines and it's inevitable that machines will eventually get even more complex with a superior illusion of consciousness than ours. Maybe one day we'll get to experience that as well with the help of biotechnology, merging with AI and tech itself.

@heinshaaine8153

Жыл бұрын

@@ashenzenden Except of cause that we experience our own consciousness.

@dud3655

Жыл бұрын

​@@ashenzendenFor real, frick humanity. Screw being trans, or having any gender in general, imma choose the *transhumanist* route

@cheeseburger625

11 ай бұрын

Lol no humans are capable of overriding their genetically programmed behaviours

At first i though this was a threat video when he say "im gonna place you in a room"🗿