It is a perfect example of how the Army ignores its own rules, regulations, laws, and UCMJ when they want to steamroll someone or something.

@ronaldbobeck1026

Жыл бұрын

AH , The good old days of pre filled out Article 15 's or the CO ' having the Manual for Courts Martial on his desk.

@cagneybillingsley2165

Жыл бұрын

real leadership always takes responsibility. these modern "leaders" are cowards

@therealericjackdaniels

Жыл бұрын

truth

@ejuju1

Жыл бұрын

All the high brass doesn’t care we all are just body’s and dog tags

@rondacey7595

Жыл бұрын

Don't you cry, you signed the paper.

How typical that the higher ranks that gave this program the go ahead are not even investigated, but the soldiers that were told to participate in this program get in trouble. The complete lack of accountability at the higher ranks is ridiculous.

@martenkrueger8647

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the same types..that throw the troops into a blood bath..while they sit behind, state side in safety and take no accountability for the death toll...BOYCOTT!💀!!!!

Army Problem Solving: 1. Define Problem. 2. Can mass punishment be assigned? 2.1 If yes, apply mass punishment to keep punishment at the lowest level; problem solved. 2.2 If no, redefine problem. 3. Repeat from step 1 as necessary.

sounds typical... military leadership likes to continually blather on about how "with rank comes responsibility" but as soon as SHTF the blame is always rolled down to the lowest rank possible

the general officers who conducted this witchhunt for "fraud" need 2 be locked up, they severely fucked up damaging thousands of guys lives, careers, and families.

@SpaceRanger187

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully they file a class action..

@cliffordschorr

Жыл бұрын

Those generals will be asked to "retire" and they will get a half mil a year job at Lockheed or some DOD contractor job. There won't be any real consequences

@stephenludlum9746

Жыл бұрын

The generals probably spent way more money then was allowed to, by the politicians, so they had to place blame on to the soldiers saying it was fraud.

@martenkrueger8647

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention..future recruitment efforts! How many will trust them after this?

@BIGPIZZABOI

Жыл бұрын

@@martenkrueger8647 shit like this is why I’d much rather serve my country as a police officer than a soldier

As a former Navy Enlisted Production recruiter, and Army National Guard Officer, just whose great idea was this? The Army needs to clear this up ASAP and clear these soldiers' names, but as always I will not hold my breath waiting for leadership to just "Do the right thing"! Somedays, I miss Active Duty. But I do not miss the political BS that went with it.

@antonios.1894

Жыл бұрын

I was enlisted in the military and got out to the civilian workforce in that same branch. To see it all on the other side of the fence adds a good perspective. I, too, miss being enlisted and the camaraderie but watching it all steadily decay from my point of view, is just astounding

@maiqtheliar789

Жыл бұрын

The military is great sometimes. Minus the politics of it of course. The politics of the military suck every bit of enjoyment to be had from the military. After a certain point it becomes about whose ass you can kiss and who do you have to screw over to make yourself look better. Sometimes I miss the Army but then I remember all the times me or someone else I knew got screwed over due to no fault of their own. Then I remember mass punishments of getting called in on the weekend for a battalion formation because someone got a DUI just so the battalion commander and sergeant major can chew us all out. I served with some toxic units before. Honestly I would never recommend military service nowadays unless you are in real bad poverty and even then I would suggest seeing if there are any scholarships or grants first. The pay and benefits just aren't worth it in the long run.

@bideni408

Жыл бұрын

"political BS" ?? What is militaries duty? - Protect the Constitution, nations sovereignity and borders. "democrat" party turned themselves uncompatible with all this and uncompatible with democracy.

@wilsonle61

Жыл бұрын

@@bideni408 Political BS means the same as it does in any civilian job. You know the dumb ass bosses, rules, and favoritism that make life generally suck in any job. It is just the Armed forces have their own particular brand of political suck because you can't just quit as you can in civilian jobs. And sometimes you can't protect your troops from the stupidity of your superiors try as you might.

@maiqtheliar789

Жыл бұрын

@@bideni408 I served under both democrats and republican presidents makes no difference honestly to the soldier serving who sits in the White House. By politics I meant the politics of the military itself. Not the bullshit stuff that goes on in Washington. The type of politics I'm talking about is and always has been a part of the military itself for as long as anyone can remember. Talk to a Vietnam vet and they will tell you about the same shit happening back then as well. The VA as well.

Every time I see a picture of Milley I know I'm looking at a traitor.

@Lilwigglzz677

Жыл бұрын

He is a traitor just like our top brass

@robertobrien4799

Жыл бұрын

Does Milli Vanilli even have any awards for valor?

Army tries to not fuck over its soldiers challenge (impossible)

I remember in 2012 I was interviewed and questioned by CID and asked if I had ever been charged or convicted of a felony? My response was: How in the “F” could I possibly be an E-8 with a felony in my records?? And we were still years away the 2020…

Why would anyone give their life to an institution that not only doesn't have their back but would throw them under the bus? And they wonder why recruiting is down.

@randomcenturion7264

Жыл бұрын

Damn right. Unless it's a case where the USA is literally in danger of invasion, no one has any reason to join. It isn't worth being treated like shit.

@RedTeufel

Жыл бұрын

Because a worthless Batchelor degree makes you an officer. Perhaps they should only pull from enlisted tanks to fill the officer ranks. If they feel they need an education then send them to college while they have already served at least 2 years active duty.

@milewesler9592

Жыл бұрын

@@RedTeufel hahaha, You think these NCO's are trustworthy either?

@oldphart-zc3jz

11 күн бұрын

Services have always been different. I grew up with WWII vets like my father when they were still in the workforce, Korea vets and SEA vets. I never met one who recommended the Army. In my USAF career I never saw reason to regret my choice. Even before it was a separate service the AF got the higher IQ recruits.

By the time my son had spent 7 years in the military, he was completely soured. He went from al in to disgusted. At least he says he went to a real boot camp. Now it's patty cake.

I use to think the “ resiliency “ crap the army shoved down our throats was for like tough times in the field, deployment, combat, and just in general tough times due to the hardships of the job which I expected…..but one day I realized it is meant for the back stabbing leadership an undermining from your own side…. the day I realized that is the day the light bulb turned on and I decided to ETS

I separated after 8 years active duty in 2005. Even though I put on E-6 by my seventh year, I bailed on what could have been a career in the USN. The higher I climbed in rank, the more I didn't want anything to with fellow and above leadership. Only out for themselves and turn their backs on their subordinates to take the blame for their own practices. Most who end up putting on chief, completely change in character and I watched many try to put on a tough persona that certainly didn't exist before they put that anchor on.

The Navy can now say "Wow look at the Army. Using thousands of Soldiers for scapegoats. We only tried to scapegoat a single Soldier for the USS Bonhomme Richard."

@Skyhawks1979

Жыл бұрын

...after an Article 32 recommended NOT to procecute.

@DesertSalamander73

Жыл бұрын

But some goon wants to still push it cause Muh Rank

@nicholasmuro1742

Жыл бұрын

Navy...sailor, not soldier

This is EXACTLY why I tell people to NEVER join the military. Been there myself and the amount of corruption is unreal...

@Xilladan093

Жыл бұрын

Just the army. Im doing fine in the airforce. Careful with your solipsism

@CowboyUp1371

Жыл бұрын

@@Xilladan093 careful with you assuming dumbass. I wasn't even in the army but good try. And no there's corruption and toxic leadership in every branch good try though. Just like you assumed I'm a soldier.

@trexoil7774

Жыл бұрын

@@Xilladan093 lmao bruh the airforce is way different from the army

@Xilladan093

Жыл бұрын

@@trexoil7774 thats my point. Everyone thinks the entire military is just the army alone. Even some people in the military forget .

@milewesler9592

Жыл бұрын

@@Xilladan093 army marines and navy are pretty shit towards it people... but ya right, I have never heard a airmen complain

Another item to add to the list of why recruiting and retention is down.

This is one of many reasons why the Army is having a recruiting issues 😳.

@improvisedsurvival5967

Жыл бұрын

It’s cus failure of leadership.

In 2005 while finishing my first deployment to Baghdad (1st CAV) I got orders to got to recruiting school. It also stipulated that I would have to extend my current enlistment contract to fulfill my time with recruiting. I refused to do it and signed a Declination of Continued Service (DEC) statement, that infuriated the Army. I knew recruiting was shady and crooked. Recruiters are famous for getting into enormous amount of trouble and being completely unscrupulous. After signing my DEC statement, I was immediately given Stop Loss orders that involuntarily extended my enlistment 2 years. I was sent on another 15-month deployment to Iraq where I was eventually wounded. In the end I would do it all again. I have no qualms with firing at enemy combatants, but I do with signing up high school kids into something I know they wouldn't enjoy or be able to handle and might ruin their life. This GRAP program sounds like the biggest fuck your buddy pyramid scam the Army has though of yet. Maybe it's Karma these GRAP participants are getting screwed over by the Army because they already screwed a few people over themselves.

@kdaltex

3 ай бұрын

Some were ROTC cadets. People were still super moto back then. They weren'r trying to screw a buddy over for 2k.

@ralphalvarez5465

3 ай бұрын

The problem seems to be checks and balances in the system weren't devised. There was some fraud, which always happens when easy money is involved. However allowing an inept unit like Army CID to input a person's name into NCIC is totally irresponsible. It's a nationwide database that can impact a person's life for a lifetime. Everyone knows that they are "Barney Fifes" of the US Army.

Why is the military having such a recruiting problem right now? I’ll say it again, as a third generation veteran myself, I never ever recommend anyone to join the military until the DoD gets right.

To me this is a textbook case of using a scapegoat and this one is at a massive level. Guarantee some three to four star generals are the real culprits and are pressuring Army CID to make it go away.

Nicky, you are doing great work for the average Soldier, Sailor, Airman, and Marine. Keep up the good work.

As a marine in 76, I never met a officer that took the blame on anything. It was the men or higher ups.

Isn’t the military undermanned right now? Im sure this is going to hurt recruiting.

@adamantlyadam5201

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah. Only gonna drive numbers deeper down. They seriously need to make big changes and abandon the old military if they want to recruiting up.

@srm946

Жыл бұрын

Doubt it since military recruiters have access to high schools

@MrRolloBaggins

Жыл бұрын

It's down approx 25% regarding recruiting new people. And a lot have left active duty because of recent mandates, woke ideology, etc.

@CharlonClarke

Жыл бұрын

already is

@Obeywulf

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRolloBaggins woke ideology. Piss off lol

I always believed that service branches shouldn’t be trusted to investigate themselves. In this case, the DOD should task Air Force OSI or Navy NCIS to investigate Army CID

@ronaldbobeck1026

Жыл бұрын

What many have said for yrs. A non DOD agency to investigate wrong doings in the Military. ( ie ) military sexual abuse / assaults and other crimes that often get the "white wash" . It will never happen here, however ,many of the Commonwealth countries of the British Empire do have.

@edwindooley2303

Жыл бұрын

Maybe try a completely different department. Have IRS do it, prevent any idea of a cover up and give them some good press.

@syskusa6512

Жыл бұрын

The corruption in NCIS, or OSI is any better than CID?

@SymbolicLogic24

Жыл бұрын

@@edwindooley2303 ha! People would hate the IRS even if they went back in time and save Jesus from the cross.

@edwindooley2303

Жыл бұрын

@@SymbolicLogic24 True, but could you honestly say they would cover for anyone but themselves. They hate everyone so they have no reason to lie. EDIT : I forgot about the DMV it's a mutual hatred between them and the IRS but definitely allows for them to hate everyone else better.

Amazing how a sane junior enlisted could take his job seriously knowing how much they are hated by officers in charge of them.

2012 was a bad Year. I think that was the year that the dod “accidentally” released everyone that had secret clearance and at the same time made 100,000 fbi job openings.

@americanmilitiaman88

Жыл бұрын

The navy had Enlisted Review board. And Perform to Serve. Kicked out alot of good sailors and kept alot of people that had NJPs

@bideni408

Жыл бұрын

2012 is the year when woke agenda started or exacerbated.

@aaworks8212

Жыл бұрын

Yea then gave us all "identity protection" lol wtf

@CharlonClarke

Жыл бұрын

yuup, that year was something else

@mikebrase5161

Жыл бұрын

It was part of Barry's fundamental change.

I know exactly what happened. Something similar happened in Army Recruiting in 2016-2019 with the OPAT program for new recruits. It was an MOS specific physical fitness test new recruits would have to take to be able to serve in their chosen MOS. This new test was the idea of USARECS new incoming general who wanted to create something for his OER. Well, the program failed because they were sending all these recruits to MOSs that they could not physically do which resulted in MOS reclassification, more money being spent on troop movements, or chaptering them out altogether. This infuriated drill instructor’s because they now had to deal with it and their frustration became their leadership’s frustration. Before the General who created this program took the hit, HE DEVELOPED a task force to criminally investigate ALLLLL the recruiters who gave those recruits those OPATs and they were finding any little thing done wrong during the test to blame the recruiters for instance if they didn’t demonstrate the OPAT tests to the T before having the recruit perform them, they would use that as evidence to put the blame on the recruiter. Thousands of recruiters were barred from reenlisting after this So the same thing happened here with the GRAP, these generals hurry up and find a criminal/fault man to pin their failed programs on so they can save their careers

@patrickkeenan5603

Жыл бұрын

When all else fails “blame the Recruiter”

Leadership will never blame themselves. "Leadership knows best."

I remember getting 2 weeks extra duty for something I didn’t do and when the jag officer on my case said I was innocent but he couldn’t do anything bc they claimed “disrespecting an officer” went awol came back before a month did 45 days of extra duty took a general discharge and never looked back

There is another program that a few years ago created a huge scandal, soldiers were receiving large deployment bonuses up front to get volunteers to deploy but the deployments had a fixed deployment in country not counting travel time but both in Iraq & AFG depending what time you were there the military had numerous rapid draw downs so a lot of troops received deployment bonuses but then forces were drawn down and years later the military came after thousands of troops demanding their deployment bonuses back the vast majority them had already gotten out and were civilians.

When I joined the navy they offered the same to me. I didn’t know it was against the rules. They made it sound like an incentive

Force professionals have three functions: 1--use force under another's orders 2--be a bullet magnet, trouble has to go through the force professional 3--take the blame for any failures "We have some senior people who committed recruiting fraud." "No problem--round up a few thousand scapegoats and the seniors will escape accountability, as always." It's how the game is played. Heads, they win, tails and the little people get screwed.

I was prior service and went back in to the NG when this program started. My Bro (whom I worked with once upon a time) brought me back in. Years after the fact I was called by a JAG that wanted to grill me. I had to remind him that I was no longer a solider and that he needed to calm down. Anyhow, I told him it was legit and his next move was to F**k-off. Nothing ever came of it, but my Bro was guilty (in the JAG's head) right from the start........................

@bluev7427

Жыл бұрын

Not a military experience but dealt with government investigators and they the most biased, partial ppl I’ve ever met. I also have to do investigations in my job and one core principle of a proper investigation is to act objectively without bias and go where the information leads me rather than some preconceived notion of what I think happened before I get all sides.

Back in 2017 I walked through a gate at Camp Casey South Korea and was randomly stoped for alcohol testing. I blow and it came back .02 so they take me to the MP station to use the official machine for record. One of the MP’s even questioned their partner because the first time was so low. I blew again and it was .00 and i was released to my unit. We’ll at some point it was recorded at PMO and titled “SM engaged in unlawful use of a substance” I had no idea until it came back when I tried to buy a firearm a few years later.

If you want to use military as a stepping stone, join a technical MOS/NEC/Designator. Things that will highlight your resume, things that will give you a TS/SCI, things that will get you familiar with the equipment/field of work that you intended to pursue once your contract had ended. Bonus: don't get married and don't have kids while in.

Of course! They tell you not to play the blame game when you're in trouble. "Take responsibility for your own actions" they say. But when leadership is in trouble those values don't apply to them. Shit just rolls downhill with them. It's NEVER their fault.

The army taught me that there are no failures in followership, just leadership. And this is a complete failure on the very top level of leadership with this situation. It's wrong. They must know it, and account for it.

I was a Army recruiter and station commander from 2001-2009. The first year after 9/11 wasn’t too bad because the perception was that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would be similar to Operation desert shield/storm, meaning you would serve your country and come back shortly after completing your mission. After about a year when the public realized this wasn’t a desert shield/storm type scenario recruiting quickly tanked. The response from the Army was to reduce certain enlistment standards, increase recruitment funding, and initiate various recruiting programs such as G-RAP, corporal recruiting program, retread program, and a host of others. It was not a fun time to be a recruiter but overall we accomplished the mission.

I was in the Guard at the time but declined to participate. Glad I did not. A young man I knew who joined the Guard at the time told me that he was interviewed by CID and was asked if he knew several names mentioned by the investigator. When the soldier asked "Why" he was told: "These are all the people who claimed to have recruited you..."

Honestly having dealt personally with CID Incompetence, they need to go, I’m glad they’re being put in the spotlight recently. Yet saddened by all the injustice others had to suffer through for it all to come to light.

@marshallosantos9035

Жыл бұрын

I know how you feel. I’ve recently learned about the sheer incompetence and lack of accountability the military has especially at the higher ranks. And when you talk about it they use their rank to silence you.

@bmuller7471

Жыл бұрын

I joined back in 2009. did "hometown recruiting" program after graduating from Basic training and Airborne School at Benning. basically went around with my recruiter passing around pamphlets and talking to randos at the strip mall. got paid $1,500. hopefully I don't get caught up in any of this bullshit.

All 9 recruits I got to join the military… didn’t join the branch I was in,… I got NOTHING

I was in the Texas Army National Guard from 08-22. I volunteered for GRAP, while I submitted two people, they didnt join. Never saw a dime of any bonuses. I wonder if my name is caught up in this.

Thanks again for shedding light where its needed.

This cannot go unnoticed or unresolved. The CID personnel and leadership need to be held accountable. Is this something we can contact our political reps about to investigate and take action? The real criminals and incompetents need to face justice and reprimand.

Stuff like this is made me switch from wanting to join Army to Airforce

@riyanagranger1469

Жыл бұрын

After long hard thinking for myself I think Air Force is the best option for me rn

@EsMorrell

Жыл бұрын

Its not just the army. I'm active duty af. Trust me, its just as screwed up as the army atm. Honestly, all of the problems in the branches are coming from the DoD. Joining the military right now is not the best option. It's a woke, unorganized mess.

@WJWeber

Жыл бұрын

@@EsMorrell right now is a great time unless you wanted to deploy into a combat zone

@bigbigmurphy

Жыл бұрын

@@WJWeber 😂😂😂 straight into the war with China😂😂😂. Also, you have no ideal how many people join because they wanted to see action. If you think people join mostly due to finance benefits, you are mistake. Young kids don't have much idea about finance, but they are eager to seek action. Whether that mentality is right or wrong is irrelevant.

@martenkrueger8647

Жыл бұрын

Good call! still have political BS..but mostly low level!

And they wonder why enlistment is so low.

Nicky, great video. This kind of thing needs to be brought to light.

I am so glad I got out of the Air Force after my first term. The military has absolute power and authority over your life and career. Any person of a higher rank can end your career and whole life. The day I got out, I was processed with 6 Captains who were being put out for not making Major. They served an average of 12 years. I was the only one with a smile being processed.

The key word is "Leadership"... and that is missing in the top echelons of our Armed Forces.

@howardbaxter2514

Жыл бұрын

And the biggest reason why is because too many people at the top care more about political careers than anything else.

Went thru a road block for dui with an officer who was drunk and smoking dope, half gallon opened on the back seat and shot gun laying on the seat. He didn't even get out the car. I was following in a van full of drunk people and dope smoke rolling out the windows. Moments earlier recruit was in the ditch driving 100 mph shooting at deer. We were heading to a concert and went through no problems because of his ID. I didn't even have to stop and show mine. Military and law enforcement is two different animals. My friend failed every drug test they gave him but he was killing people in Iraq so it didn't matter. Honorable discharge. Now he's a divorced drug addict and drunk.

@emperorpalpatine1469

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like there are some holes in your story but nonetheless that shit is crazy. Could you maybe explain more thoroughly?

@barbarafogle3541

Жыл бұрын

@@emperorpalpatine1469 ok. My friend was playing drums at a club on Hilton head island S.C. My friends and I were on our way to see them from another part of the state. We were smoking and drinking , but since I wasn't really drinking I was driving a big van full of heavy metal fans. My wife's brother was driving his little Toyota Celica while home on leave from the air force. He was always drinking captain Morgan. He was a nut. Swerving into the ditch at 80 to 100 mph shooting at deer with his bottled friend and service weapon on the back seat. Around a few more curves we run into a licence check with 5 to ten cop cars and trucks. We all freak because we're literally smoking a blunt and have open containers everywhere. He pulls up first , talks to them and the next thing I know we're on our way to the concert. I tell you I never talked to cops. They just waved me through with the flashlights. The really exciting stuff happened at the concert. I'll post another comment because my low data might not let a bigger one go thru.

@barbarafogle3541

Жыл бұрын

@@emperorpalpatine1469 there was three cars total going to this club .we get to the giant bar and a trash metal band is finishing up with some pantera like stuff and my friends are about to set up. An hour or so later me and a friend pop out to his car to enjoy some smoke and air. At this time I observe a big man looking down on us from a huge widow in an apartment across from the club. It makes me paranoid and I say it's the cops. Then my friends sister the one inside playing drums comes out the bar get to g sick from drinking. She lays across the back seats with the doors open and the car probably spinning. Suddenly black trucks come into the parking lot and its the law. Swat team like. They had observed us from the windows I mentioned smoking a bowl and here they come. My friend sits on his pipe burning his ass and I stick his bag of weed in an empty flash light. He goes to jail for paraphernalia. I on the other hand am free to go back inside. The band has quit playing at this point because of all the ruckus and the parking lot is filled with cops in tactical gear and head bangers looking like you know. Back inside I spend the rest of the evening cussing at undercover cops across the bar for locking up my friend. After getting back home winch I drove my friends car a Chevy barreta I passed out. Its now 7 or 9 in the morning as the drive to or from was a few hours. My wife goes with my our friends mom to get him out of jail. One he'll of a night and one great rock show. I had no idea that this show was so heavily watched by law enforcement because as I said they were across the street waiting to roll and undercover inside the club. That was an eye opener. I'll send you a link to my friends new music and band.

We need to put this in a military context. Whoever authorized this program, if no fraud is on the individual's actions (investigated, charged and proven by courts martial or confession to a court, listing these military or former military), falsely reporting the individual's as charged, is actually a crime. Correct, this is a due process violation and an indication military officers have a lack of balls in accepting responsibility for a bad recruiting program. If the person who authorized the program has "General " in their title, even if they are retired can be called to court martial. RHIP has attached to it "Rank has its Responsibility." As to the individual's, take on the army in court, class action, as a DUE PROCESS action and tell the army to PROVE they were charged or FIX the problem. Sad.

And then you wonder why recruitment numbers are down... just one of many issues.

CID and military justice completely corrupt! (Surprised Pikachu Face)

13:17 If an employer takes an adverse action against a potential employee based on what’s in their history (whether it be credit history, criminal history, or driver’s history) they’re required to notify you in writing.

I always looked up to the US military when I was young but having to do mandatory military service, I always wondered if it was the same where, higher ups covered each other but if they need someone to be a scape goat that is a regular guy, the guy would be left out to dry. It is extremely tragic this stuff happens, I would not be surprised in many branches across many nations

Leadership was told to push their Unit personnel to submit names and contact info for people to sign up. At least 1 contact per SM in unit per month. (30 SMs in unit, 30 Contacts per month)

saw this from fox news a week ish ago. thanks nicky even commented on the fox video hoping u would cover this.

I'm so glad I served during the 80's. It's a dam shame what military has become.

@jasongreene6311

Жыл бұрын

It's become a force of brave, loyal Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Coastguardsman, and Guardians, a representation of our society, just as it was in the 1980s. Many of whom have been deployed once or numerous times to our last 20 year war. Yes, I have first hand experience.

@grafenr.3405

Жыл бұрын

@@jasongreene6311 I deployed as well I served with some fine men I served with first infantry division Big Red One.

@gridtac2911

Жыл бұрын

@@jasongreene6311 no. It's a pathetic shell of what it once was. Shitty NCOs, shit enlisted, and worse officers. Especially at the higher levels. USMC for 8 years... Met or exceeded my cutting scores multiple times but failed to advance while some shit bag who had multiple njps but knew the CO personally outside of work got advanced twice. Yeah right... The institutions are just bullshit nepotism filled cesspools. This is what you get when unqualified individuals are promoted or appointed to positions they clearly are not able to handle, but will bullshit their way through and hurt not only the reputation of the unit but of the service...

@insightwmrssladywbuzz5779

Жыл бұрын

Because it’s all about money and fudginnngg. And looking good and bougie. They too naive then when reality hits they get mad , want be depressed.

@insightwmrssladywbuzz5779

Жыл бұрын

I was around when,Well the tape was blurry,but anyway five guy fudge one female, I thought they where just in the room goofing off. But no it was game of pass the pudden. But when it was time to go to war all five guys where crying like babies. I might not get to see my family , man my wife just had a baby. Uh none of them carried about their wives while they were cheating acting like they single then video taping it . Why..😅😅😅😅Naive as h***.

Why aren't the actual CID agents who did this being investigated?

I had two buddies, one got credit for recruiting the other, and the other got credit for recruiting me... And I was the only one of the three of us that deployed. 🤷 I got the shit end of that stick.

After taken part in civil air patrol during high school I can tell that the military wasn't for me.. There was a lot of things I loved about possibly being in the military, I love my country but seeing the bureaucracy, red tape, crap like this showing up. makes me feel like I dodged a bullet of sorts. This is so unfair to these veterans some of whom seen combat. Just a disgrace what our political system had become.

Politicians dont take ownership of anything. Thats all higher ups in any branch is.

I'm glad you broke it down because I saw a ten minutes news segment and I didn't understand it they asked them to recruit and then try to charge them for what they are ask to do?

The brass is covering it up.

And they wonder why the army's man power is at 50%

And they wonder why they can't retain people 🙄

This is so sad I thank allll that have served or are still serving and in other countries blessing to all

If you're a full bird or higher. You are immune to accountability, purerly because the army has invested that much into your career. It's just so dissapointing.

I am currently in the PA Guard and my commander and first sergeant use this program to get some extra money. I sent of the Fox video and they looked up their names to ensure they didn’t make the list. They told me they didn’t but they are definitely going to keep an eye out.

we had rap duty(recruiter assistance program) when i was in. it wasn't anything like this though. you got an extra 30 days leave with pay and thats about it. generally, or completly after you graduate basic, you go home for leave then go to your local recruiter and become his assistant for 30 days. then you go on to your next duty station. no money other than base pay was ever even a wet dream then.

the fact this stuff is all public knowledge, and yet DOD "leadership" is still asking, "Why is recruitment and retention low?".

I once heard an old saying: Its a poor carpenter that Balmer its tools.

Boy am I glad that my recruiter/s stiffed me out of my grap when I got people to enlist from the VTANG in 2008. The recruiter never put me in for my 2k rather took all the credit for it himself.

@DoDgeSwaG

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Same here 😂 when I was part of that 2 week home town recruiting program after AIT in 2008 I didn’t get any credit, now I’m not even mad at my recruiters for stealing my credit 😂

That 400k "recouped" was not a recoupment. The amount lost in recruiting, training, retaining, etc.. all of these troops is FAR more significant. Even those promotion issues, lead to retention issues that cause a massive loss. Further the loss of income and tax "revenue" could also be significant. This is a case of the government cutting off their own nose all to cover for an unexpected successful program and morons for "leaders." Sad that some idiots only understand $ from the past and are incapable of looking forward. The scary part is there area probably guys out there that don't know this is why they aren't getting promoted, why background checks have issues, etc..

Leave it to the government to try and fry someone for doing nothing wrong. They seem to only care about law abiding citizens. There’s no honor is serving anymore. The power that be have taken it away.

Wow and recruitment is way down for all branches? Can't imagine why.

sht used to roll up hill i had a prc77 bat explode in my wall locker back in 92 they came for me 1st then my platoon sgt then my lt then my co and 1st sgt then up to battalion then ended at brigade. i was asked by our brigade commander why i had the battery in my locker told him i was following orders and so it went up the chain turns out our former brigade co wanted sht stored on hand so we wouldn't have to find it if we needed it. makes sense till our new brigade commander found out what was in our conex's in the motor pool which was enough small arms and 25mm ammo for our bradleys to be fully combat loaded. not to mention tow and dragon missles . that was an interesting time. at least he found out why we had a motorpool guard all the time.

Lesson learned. Do not sign up. In this life you have choices dont get cornholed into putting on the fatigues.

Meanwhile our ranking General is more interested in studying his "white rage" and critical race theory instead of resolving things like this. This is sickening at the very least. DEFUND CID, and NCIS.

Unbelievable. Scary stuff.

This will definitely help recruiting

A fish rots from the head down.

Working for or with the government is like making a deal with the devil. You know you’re going to be betrayed and put through hell.

I remember stop loss the day after I retired. They put out a memo army wide that said no more military police retire.

And the Army wonders why people don’t want to join.

Things like this are why I have looked into options for an early release from my contract. I have been having nothing but issues even getting paid correctly at this point and spend most of my reserve drills trying to ensure my Soldiers are getting taken care of.

This happens on a daily basis. Chaptering Soldiers before they even have a trial. Fort hood for example. Not just hood, but all bases. The garrison Commander puts out a zero tolerance policy on DUIs and other incidents. When a Soldier gets a so called DUI off base, then they have a court case. But the unit is forced to find the Soldier guilty right off and start Chapter papers without a judgement. Fort Hood is bad about this.

honestly the huge problem in the current military is higher officials not taking responsibility for there actions at a point in time. After the rank of captain alot of them tend to be more politically motivated and to remain having a "clean" record for future positions outside of the military. It happens in the marine corp sadly

The sheer lack of accountability from upper brass will never cease to amaze.

I went recruiting in 2009 and at that time they were just getting rid of that program. But some of the recruiters were doing some shady shit to get people in the army. I was a recruiter from 2009-2012 and the program was non existent then. Not sure why they say it went away in 2012 when it was gone while I was out there.

@DoDgeSwaG

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Yea I remember the GRAP program when I joined in 2007 and went back to my recruiting station for 2 weeks after graduating AIT in 2008 for the Home Town Recruiting Program. Supposedly for every person we got to come into the recruiting station and contracted we would get $1k and another $1k after they graduated. Good thing I was lousy at recruiting! 😂

@ryanburns3921

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Because it was still active until then. They didn't end it in SC until 2011 or 2012. I got in through a buddy in 2010 and he got G RAP money for it. We grew apart and I haven't talked to him in a few years. I need to hit him up and see if he knows anything about it.

@gonzalomanriquezjr864

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@@ryanburns3921 I was an Active duty recruiter then lol. We had 2 reserve recruiters in our station and they said the program was no more. It was at the same time they got rid of the recruiter points program too. So you could no longer get points towards your gold badge, ring or medallion. Maybe our Battalion shut it down early but yeah the reserve recruiters said it didn’t exist. If I’m not mistaken at the time the Active Duty version was called the SMART program.

@ryanburns3921

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@@gonzalomanriquezjr864 Possibly. It may have varied from state to state since it was a Guard based program. They also had Skills for Stripes for recruits. If you were in RSP you could get promoted up to E3 for various tasks (passing PT test, learning ranks, soldier's creed, etc.) I don't think they had GRAP when I got back from basic in 2011 though. They didn't mention it anymore. And they definitely didn't have it when I went to work for my recruiter as an assistant in 2012-2013. They tried to get me to submit a packet and become a recruiter, but I didn't want to be anywhere near that mess. Soldiers bitch about how easy recruiters have it, but they have no idea how bad it can suck. Lol Some recruiters loved it, but I'm not enough of a people person for that.

CID: Shoot friendlies first. Ask questions later.

How do I like this a million times..

Leadership refusing to take accountability?! No way!

General screws up - troops always pay, one way or another.

In 2012, six months after I retired, I got a call from CID. The agent ask about my last re-up before retirement. Ask me if I keep in touch with the soldier I recruited. I ask what soldier. She said his name and I told her I didn't know what she was talking about. She emailed me a form showg my "signature " on it. Soon as I saw it I started laughing. Who ever forged it did a shitty job. I sent her my DL, passport and the signature page of my mortgage. A couple weeks later she called again and ask who did the paperwork on my last enlistment. Evidently, three recruiters were getting kick backs. In the process of that investigation they stumbled on the fact that certain soldiers were using supply as their own personal Costco. One soldiers house looked like a Costco when they searched it. One captian was relieved when he and two sergeants were caught spiking UAs to " weed out the soldiers they didn't like ". I was told only one other unit in the NG network was worse.

The Army has devolved into a bureaucratic shit show under current leadership and has been so since before the Fort Hood incident with Spc. Guillen

Nothing is their responsibility.....look at all the discussion about why they failed to meet the fiscal year mission. They deny that there is any impact based on the policies being implemented by individuals that are not the best qualified for the positions. There is a lack of leadership in the Army which is why there is no confidence in the ability to win any foreseeable conflicts.🤷‍♂

I will never forget how the DoD treated the people during Sequestration. Join at your own peril...

....and they wonder why many are leaving the Army and recruiting is down by more than 50%.

Amazing. I’m not surprised this is happening to some of our soldiers. This is disturbing. I’m wondering if this is another reason why the military is having trouble in recruitment. There are so many examples.