Hbox's mom tweeting at Armada is the most wholesome thing lmao

@PCspray

Жыл бұрын

Isn’t she always?

@poulanthrope

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but it cracks me up that she called him the most genuine person in the community. Does she know something about HBox we don't!? DUN DUN DUNNNNN

@yordvandamme

Жыл бұрын

What did she say?

@malonee

Жыл бұрын

Hbox's mom is the most wholesome thing everytime she appears

@Sightless-vz2wh

Жыл бұрын

HBox’s mom is definitely too cool!! 😊

Didn't think bromances could have toxic ex-brofriends but here we are.

@biggieboy3570

Жыл бұрын

Bro 💀

@edwinflorian222

Жыл бұрын

Literally a Toxic and Drunk ex-boyfriend

@Skipntosh

Жыл бұрын

💯

@Sidney_TSG

Жыл бұрын

Dont make it weird

@REvoLverj98

Жыл бұрын

@@Sidney_TSG I second this sentiment

I think what you both went through is the opposite of each other, the hate you had was a high flame that was hot. Armadas is like a coal that never went out and started fire.

@mascape92

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 Read it again.

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

@@mascape92 Thank you for pointing me back at it, I read more closely. Makes more sense now

@paul_particularlyunhappynut

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 Can you explain it to me? I don't fully get it

@makeitthrough_

Жыл бұрын

@@paul_particularlyunhappynut The hate Melee fans had for Hungry Box was like a wildfire, destroying everything in its path before being contained, whereas the hate for Armada is like the endless coal fire burning under Centralia, PA (the ghost town that inspired the foggy Silent Hill)

This community will never fail to spawn an endless supply of pointless controversy, toxicity, and cringe.

@fourkambuchas8546

Жыл бұрын

The majority of the community isn’t involved in these incidents.

@BaneOfXistence4

Жыл бұрын

MvC2 has swearing, name calling, salty money matches, and it has like no drama compared to Melee. Its like toxically non-toxic. Everything is up front. Whereas Melee has the shiny professional veneer, but backroom brawls.

@ytcmbt2505

Жыл бұрын

@@fourkambuchas8546 This community still spawns this kinda shit. Its adults who play a childrens party game competitively. Obviously this much cringe and drama comes up

@elliottaddison8116

Жыл бұрын

​@@fourkambuchas8546 "Hey the majority of people arent murderers so why bother with the few who are?" Like really, what a stupid fucking comment. THOUSANDS of people reply to this shit in seconds. You really think that people only like/watch one player? The same people doing this shit are the same people who are in other streams acting civil. I can say without a doubt that some of the top melee personas have the absolutely most toxic fans with usually nothing to even back their point up with. They are like rabid dogs trained to slander, attack, degrade and troll anyone their overlord streamer/player deems unfitting. This isnt even a Mang0 thing. Its a smash thing. Most of the top personas are all guilty of it in the last few years. I cant actually go enjoy chat in streams anymore because its always mean spirited and defeating the point of any sportsmanship.

@fourkambuchas8546

Жыл бұрын

@@ytcmbt2505 yeah cringe and drama and bad things happen everywhere, it’s not just in smash believe it or not

I feel like a lot of eSports are still relatively young so people don't realize, it's totally normal to retire after a decade or so of competing at the highest level. The amount of time, effort, and mental energy it takes to continually play at such a high level is insane. Imagine if people accused Michael Jordan of being "scared" of young up and comers and not being able to hang when he decided to retire? Because that's basically what's happening here. Armada had a great career, solidified himself as the best player during that era of melee, and retired after he accomplished all he set out to do. Let the man live his life in peace and show him the respect he's rightfully earned.

@Yokai_Yuri

Жыл бұрын

You answered your statement yourself. Amads competed for a lot of years and he retired as THE BEST MELEE PLAYER of that era. Many still consider him the best of the best. Mang0 has never reached that level. He is super good, he has competed forever, won Evo, but he is not the best and has never been. That eats him alive because he is an egotestical douche. His fanbase has to tryhard so much the "mang0 is the goat" yet we all know he is not. He is not even 1# in the rankings... he recently started to win to go up the ranks, but before? he got 11# placed. Not even top 8# but his community says what? Mang0 is the best. Armada make up some good points in here regarding mang0 toxicity

@fireemblemaddict128

Жыл бұрын

@@Yokai_Yuri Why are you trying to pour gas on the fire lol Mango had a time when he was the best!

@hiraeth8208

Жыл бұрын

The fact you mentioned Michael Jordan seems really unaware. Using past legends as a reference point or commenting on how theyd stack up today is incredibly common in nearly every type of competition. Comparing Lebron to MJ or MJ to players that came before him is a staple of ESPN. This is normal and expected behaviour but, people sending death threats to Armada is completely uncalled for and unexcusable.

@acidreflex25

Жыл бұрын

@Hiraeth Sure, people argue all day and night about who's better, LeBron or MJ. It doesn't mean it's worthwhile. The conclusion is and always has been: you can't compare the two. This happens a lot with various sports (Hank Aaron vs various modern home run record challengers, Muhammad Ali vs Tyson, etc.) It's fun to think about but ultimately a fruitless discussion. These players played in different eras with different metas, technologies, and training methods available to them. Mang0 seems obsessed with establishing that he's the overall GOAT but that's simply impossible to establish. All he ends up doing is getting the more extreme segments of his fanbase to harass Armada and tarnish his legacy. You know what happens in professional sports when these discussions come up? The players usually show a great deal of respect to the other person they're being compared to and leave it at that.

@carlosrubio2760

Жыл бұрын

@@Yokai_Yuri armada a pussy mango the goat😂😂😂😂😂😂

"for some people in the scene Mango can't do anything wrong" TRUE. Armada was just spitting facts.

@coolyeh1017

Жыл бұрын

HBox personally is VERY familiar with this.

@elliottaddison8116

Жыл бұрын

​@@coolyeh1017 so true. Hbox and Mango are basically franchised names at this point. Their followers and "stans" will literally sabotage their own favorite player in attempts to make others look bad. Honestly the community of smash perpetuates hate more than the players. You cant just like someone for being good at the game anymore. Now its politics.

@MorphBall1

Жыл бұрын

It's like that for every noteworthy melee player. They all have their hardcore fans. Leffen has been abusing this to harrass others for years.

@zogbogbean2464

Жыл бұрын

Armada just sounds salty that he’s no longer relevant. Face it, him and M2k quit melee to try and capitalize off ult and become big streamers. They sold out and failed, so for that they rightfully get grief.

@MorphBall1

Жыл бұрын

@@zogbogbean2464 Mango, Leffen and HBox are far bigger sellouts than Armada.

Hbox has such "Content Brain" and I don't know if I love it or hate it

@BasedCowboy

Жыл бұрын

what does this mean

@gamedragonify

Жыл бұрын

@@BasedCowboy Armada talks about getting harassed for years and HBox's immediate reaction is to call for a boxing match.

@coqui9879

Жыл бұрын

The grind never stops

@nachot6592

Жыл бұрын

That's why we are watching this in the first place. He knows what he is doing.

@stormcat3648

Жыл бұрын

Squidjenkins

This same community allows Leffen to stick around. I don’t think this will effect Mango too badly. Controversy fades in about three weeks for these goldfishes

@Fishman465

Жыл бұрын

Except if you're unpopular

@noisescape1

Жыл бұрын

Leffen should have been chased the fuck out of this community years ago. It's a crime that it still hasn't happened.

@ameenjones7300

Жыл бұрын

facts, they treated hbox like shit....

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

@@ameenjones7300 I feel like that's why Hbox isn't chanting that he was the goat when he was. Because the swedes constantly virtue signaling and talking shit. I see it so clearly now.

@eragon78

Жыл бұрын

@@noisescape1 Even worse, he has a massive fanbase that still acts like he does nothing wrong or that he's improved since the past even though he really hasnt that much. He's kinda just been grandfathered in as a shitty POS and so nobody really pays attention anymore when he's acting hella toxic.

The way I see it, I think Armada is completely valid here, and it's important to note that the solution is not dramatic at all. Nobody needs to be cancelled. Mango can just clear the air here and let Armada live in peace, no skin off of anyone's back. Anything else would create sides, where I think most would take armada's side. Even if Armada didn't give the whole truth, anything he could've said about a game doesn't warrant this level of hate.

@rorycannon7295

Жыл бұрын

based

@zer0sev

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately mango cant just clear the air. Mango is gonna continue his narrative.

@fridaynightpizza7158

Жыл бұрын

mango's apology tweet was pretty weak, but if he just did the bare minimum that a lot of youtubers and streamers do and reminded his fans regularly not to flame people he talks trash about, it'd show he took it serious and would help to curb stuff like this happening in the future

@4purs

Жыл бұрын

@@fridaynightpizza7158 how was it weak he said we’ve both handled it bad which is true. Apologized for death threats, and would rather talk privately man to man. Also I think just telling chat does nothing, I’ve seen him say that it’s not like it stops them

@xolotltolox7626

Жыл бұрын

The Community is till allowing Leffen to stay, so I don#t expect any actual consequences for bad behaviour anymore

Bro joining competitive melee is like getting a gym membership. When you join, you can't leave.

@johnnyblaaze467

Жыл бұрын

You can check out any time you like But you can never leave * solo starts*

@ShallBePurified

Жыл бұрын

So like the Yakuza

@imjustbread9209

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@supernaturaltychoon3164

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense, it's a really fun game

@imjustbread9209

Жыл бұрын

@@supernaturaltychoon3164 I can't tell if ur joking or not, but just to be safe, I'm gonna say that we aren't talking about the yakuza game.

2023 off to a weird start.

How will this effect the Pikachu Up-Air hitboxes??

@thereconracoon3715

Жыл бұрын

Most important question tbh

@lobsterboy64

Жыл бұрын

Lmaoooo

Jeez man i feel bad for armanda hes not even in the scene anymore let the man rest.

@heron22wading

Жыл бұрын

He brought all this on himself with his BS comments about the meta. Completely invalidating the hard work of every melee player and then crying when he gets called out for it. Armada just has paper skin.

@Yokai_Yuri

Жыл бұрын

@@heron22wading But he is right. The meta has not changed that much. Melee has a huge problem and that is the fandom over reacts or overrate anything the lead players say. If the lead players says "dudeeee the meta is so hot and different" people will go about and defend that ( look at the remarks and opinion of this same very video for reference) Armada's opinion is the opinion of a player and not any playet, he was the best melee player in his era and possibly the best melee player of all time. He knows what he is speaking. The community as a whole is fairly ignorant on how melee( the game works) they just think is just wave dash and that's it. Melee Meta has not changed drastically. just a little bit. Basically it is more optimization 🤷🏻‍♂️. anyways Armada > Mang0

@Vextos

Жыл бұрын

@@Yokai_Yuri Meta hasn't changed much but a Yoshi is winning majors lol

@UltimaShadow

Жыл бұрын

@@Vextos I wouldn't say that aMSa - one singular player - improving to the point where he can win super majors reflects a massive meta change in the whole scene. That being said, the meta has no doubt changed. However, Armada was being very clear in the twitlonger about what he actually meant about what he said about the meta. He was not trying to invalidate the hard work of players that have improved since 2018, people just misunderstood what he meant. Anyone making the argument that he "deserved the hate" is full of shit.

@doublelizard767

Жыл бұрын

@@Vextos do you know what "meta" means

IBDW and mew2king already talked about this and they both agree that Armada retiring had nothing to do with players improving as he almost quit in 2013, IBDW explains how it was just bad timing and because of slippi everyone improved a lot, and I think Mang0 knew that wasn’t true but said it anyways which I think is wrong and just low tbh

@danielurban3416

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem is that Mang0 is OBSESSED with being considered the GOAT at this point, and there are still not-insignificant #'s who still consider it to be Armada, so consciously or not he's always looking for ways to show it's him, and this unfortunately leads him to try to drag other people's legacy. That's my read anyways, obviously I don't know the guy.

@veffiesdda965

Жыл бұрын

@@danielurban3416 The fact that he brings up Armada into the GOAT debate every time he proclaims himself as the GOAT tells me that Mang0 probably knows that Armada is still the GOAT but doesn't wanna admit it due to his giant ego.

@MikeyCyan

Жыл бұрын

@@danielurban3416 ken will always be goat

@winterlogical

Жыл бұрын

@@veffiesdda965 Honestly I'm a Mang0 fan but I was floored in the PGStats Top 100 video they had the audacity to say "Armada has a positive head to head record on all his contemporaries" and "never got worse than fifth at a major" and they still chose Mang0 as #1 (who has a losing record against Armada _and_ Hungrybox, and is known to buster out and lose to lower ranked players on occasion). Armada was the "perfect" melee player imo. He had almost no weaknesses - immaculate punish game, tight neutral, everything was so flowcharted... He was brutal to watch and dismantled most opponents effortlessly. I get that other people like Mang0 for the GOAT title for his longevity, embodiment of the 'spirit' of melee, etc., which are things I value too. But the stats are always going to be in Adam's favor no matter how long Mang0 plays, and Mang0 knows it.

@veffiesdda965

Жыл бұрын

@@winterlogical PG stats is like "Armada has the most impressive achievements...... but Mang0's the GOAT". lmao

4:10 yo he deadass doesnt notice he's doing the accent at first lmao

Back then, he just wrote the following: "...I also don't think the meta have changed that much. Melee is quite old and the more optimized it gets the less change will happen year after year" I think a big portion of the community only heard Mang0's excessive stream-reaction to their twitter beef, but didn't read the twitter beef itself. I think this twitlonger is, all in all, pretty reasonable.

@n3uro84

Жыл бұрын

Well, it's not like ground breaking techniques, tricks or other things are getting discovered. It's been a good couple of years since someone actually discovered something gamechanging in Melee. The meta, therefore, can't change that much to begin with.

@Bladieblah

Жыл бұрын

@@n3uro84 That's not true, meta can change without new tech being discovered. Decision making can change, new set-ups can be found, it's not that cut and dry

@n3uro84

Жыл бұрын

@@Bladieblah The term "Meta" in gaming stands for "Most efficient tactic available". Which means that in a game that doesn't see any new discoveries or updates, can't have a meta that changes too much. New setups CAN be found, but as I said, it's been a while since a new setup was found... That is my whole point.

@Bladieblah

Жыл бұрын

@@n3uro84 I've never heard that acronym before and I don't believe many people have either. I'll go with it for now but I don't think it's an acronym. Back to the main point, when a game is fresh in the first year, the meta will change a lot despite no updates or discoveries. Simple strategy optimization for different scenarios, counterplay to strong staple strategies. That can all happen, and mostly happens, without discovery of new tech or gameplay changes. Strategy changes can happen with the existing tools since it's just a huge back and forth, one that continues to this day. As for examples, slide offs being used more is a somewhat recent development

@andrewsheng5341

Жыл бұрын

@@n3uro84 search it up that’s not what meta means. it’s not an acronym. people just made that up afterwards and people like you just spread it because it sounds good and makes sense but nonetheless it’s not true

Solid 10 on that one. Been convinced for years that Mang0's "trash talking" just went way past the point of normal toxicity. I know nothing about Armada as a person, but honestly I'm very much inclined to believe it all.

Hbox: "Editor, cut that out..." Editor: "Haha... no..."

I’m not privy to the extent Mango has shit talk armada over the years but one thing I do agree with is that, like many public figures/people with a decently large following, mango can be very irresponsible when it comes to being aware of the sway he has over the fans’ opinions. A moment of tactlessnesses on his part can easily morph into hate and vitriol from the masses. He’s free to speak his mind but it’s important to be aware of that at least

@nathanlevesque7812

Жыл бұрын

I dunno if he's always drunk but he acts like it.

@lunarumbreon7699

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanlevesque7812Mang0? Drunk? Never

@ThatSneakman

Жыл бұрын

thAt's thE ManG0!

@logangabold3604

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanlevesque7812 it’s one of the reasons he has the large following he has lol

@jacksmith6517

Жыл бұрын

I agree it's preposterous how he can self proclaim himself as the goat when in my memory mango couldn't fk with armada in bracket in his prime. I say this as someone who was usually disappointed because I was rooting for mango back then.

Armada should come out and say 'all I know is from when I went first in rankings in 2015 until I retired, it was me and Hbox fighting for first place, and Mango was hiding behind beer'.

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

Well now he's hiding behind retirement while the battle of the real goat is still going down.

@BloodyYTNamingNonsense

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 completely braindead take.

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

@@BloodyYTNamingNonsense Not at all. Hbox statistics wise is going to take over eventually if he gets a good streak of wins in the coming years. And when it happens, it's going to cut his ego into two

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

@@BloodyYTNamingNonsense What's more braindead is criticizing Mango's drinking habits when Armada used to drink and talk shit on Americans.

@BloodyYTNamingNonsense

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 drinking isn't a problem when you don't pretend it's why you aren't winning. And in any case, Armada was winning whenever he was actively playing.

And kinda random but based on my last comment I just wanted to say that you have inspired people. At least myself. How you managed to become one of the best players of all time while going through everything you did is a story of legend.

But how will it affect the Samus - Sheik matchup ?

If theres one thing we in the smash community can be sure of, whether the games get updated or not, theres always new content to be had.

@invinciblemercenary510

Жыл бұрын

😂

"ugly anger" is a really good phrase, it captures the shame it involves

@Bladieblah

Жыл бұрын

When?

I don't know how many more smash-related twitlongers I can handle

hbox I know it's got a template, but you need to drop the links to twitlongers you talk about and other stuff like that in the description

We need that Chessboxing match. Hbox v Leffen / Mang0 v Armada. That would be such a wild showdown LMAO

@primecalibur

Жыл бұрын

Nah just throw em all in there at once as a free for all

@thezerowulf2046

Жыл бұрын

@@primecalibur and turn on items

@primecalibur

Жыл бұрын

@@thezerowulf2046 now it's a chair fight 🦍🪑

@thetophat5332

Жыл бұрын

@@thezerowulf2046 hahhaha yeah absolutely. Free for all with items. Ludwig Smashdown Cage Match 😂😂

@TheeMFGr0uch

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to flip on Telemundo and watch that mfer with my abuelita

how will the word “have” affect Armada’s legacy?

@sandycrash8868

Жыл бұрын

Makes him look like a cry baby bitch bro this drama is like 7-10 years too late

@aetherius6221

Жыл бұрын

It have a very large effect

My prediction ? Mango continues to act like a man child and nothing changes.

@Cian1312

Жыл бұрын

Look up his tweet about this, you would be suprised.

@JoshT4life

Жыл бұрын

Problem is die hard mango fans will keep making death threats because of his man child behavior

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

Not only did he respond objectively right, he gave a good side to it too that he didn't like how he was portrayed.

@mofistagomofarde3248

Жыл бұрын

Mango reached out and tried to clear the air, Armada ignored him. Armada is the baby in this situation.

I feel like the best thing Mang0 can do is just say that he is sorry and leave it at that, is not like he is the same from so many years ago. Like you said, many things happened

Imagine this making rounds but Leffen still walks around after the ZeRo incident

@empiar5481

Жыл бұрын

The fact that Leffen hasn’t been canceled off the face of the earth in general is astounding

@Eskoblazin

Жыл бұрын

@Empiar Mr.Clearasil needs to GO TO-DAY!

@MrGtgguy

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. I'm just not convinced that the majority of people wouldn't have done the same, so I don't hold it against him.

@cameronstrouth7614

Жыл бұрын

What's the zer0 incident with leffen?

@JBLZFTW

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGtgguy you think most people would try to force people not to do a wellness check on a suicidal man? you're sick

We're going to need that tier list Jaun.

Hbox's and mang0's relationship is like Goku and Vegeta over time.

how will this affect Armada's legacy

@antonolofsson81

Жыл бұрын

still da GOAT

@epyons8411

Жыл бұрын

Not a thing

@EmptyHand49

Жыл бұрын

But can he beat Steph Curry?

@jstar3382

Жыл бұрын

@@epyons8411 he was the best for a long time what are you talking about

@guse_0

Жыл бұрын

I believe he meant that it won't have an effect on his legacy. Do you disagree, or did you just misunderstand?

Hbox vs Leffen boxing will be the most ultimate match ever fought

This is crazy.

I think it's also very important to note that mang0's twitch channel has the option to 'fudge' someone for channel points which times them out. It's excruciatingly common for anyone with an outside opinion, even if joking, to get 'fudged'. This can be used to effectively silence any blowback he has when he throws stray hands at people for genuinely no reason. Because "dude it's just mang0 being mang0 don't get so butthurt". If you watch mang0's twitch he even routinely says "Who said that? Fudge that guy." albeit jokingly at times, but it still sets a mob mentality up as the status quo even outside of 'just joking' scenarios. I've been watching mang0 for some time and Armada is right, you can't call mang0 out. He'll call you a Jabroni before going on a tirade about his achievements, you'll get fudged if it's on twitch. mang0's always been a bit of a dink, but I've noticed he's been progressively getting worse about it as if it's 2010-2015 still.

@brandonhamilton4596

Жыл бұрын

This is just insane to me. Almost every stream I’ve watched has this option to redeem for channel points. And yes, streamers in their own stream will always and should always have complete control over who can speak in their own stream. This is not silencing, there’s a million other places people will always be free to say whatever they to whoever they want. But not in a chat to someone streaming from their own house of their own free will. This all just feels so melodramatic and overblown. Is Mango a dick sometimes? Sure. Does he need to be “called out” and this behavior need to be “canceled and shamed and eradicated”, like no. This is a competitive community. People talk shit in sports. It’s intense. There’s high stakes. The world doesn’t need self indulgent morality police swarming anytime someone dares to talk a little shit or fuck around.

@ZivalaProductions

Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna head this with an apology about three paragraphs below this. I decided to respond to you but also more clearly draw where I actually stand with mang0 at the same time just in case anyone else comes across these comments. TLDR I agree with a lot of what you typed, and I'm not really on a side, in my initial post I just decided to highlight some things that can get out of hand. I used the word 'can' before talking about silencing because I agree that streamers and their moderators should have complete control over their chat, and even that these things could be handled other places, but people very well -could- just silence things they either don't want to read, or silence specific people they decided they don't like. This was like a year ago and I haven't seen it since, so it's not a current issue or anything, I'm just bringing this up as an example. I forget what the guy said, but he got fudged for it, and every time his fudging wore off and he said anything, fudged again. People have gotten a lot better about what they fudge but it's still an option for people to be vigilantes, which takes some control out of the streamer and moderator's hands. But again, people have gotten a lot better about it since it isn't a new thing to do anymore (and hasn't been for some time). Handling things elsewhere is an option but in some instances, like twitter, that's where mang0 gets his Jabroni stories from. I can't say for sure, obviously, how many instances of his Jabroni stories do come from there, but I know for a fact he goes on rants about some messages he gets at times that -feel- like he's parading the unnamed person around like an idiot. Obviously there's the factor a lot of, and maybe none of these stories are genuinely meant to be a jab at people, but it's also playing into these morality police. What is a joke, what isn't? I don't want mang0 to be cancel-canceled, myself. Hell I laughed pretty hard when mang0 said "Cody's a little crack-head so he just comes running at me." during the Mainstage interview, competitive communities do have a lot of smack-talk, I'm not going to deny that, but it just feels like half the time it really isn't needed. I'm not about to say I watch every other smasher they don't talk crap, but the ones I do watch or at least when I'm watching them, they don't talk half as much smack as mang0 does. Also I just want to point out for a moment, when I type mang0's a dink, I mean that more light-heartedly, like yeah he's a jerk but he can also be pretty wholesome too. To me dink is like low hostility and dick is high hostility. He throws hands but not all that harshly either. Hell, normally I don't respond to this kind of stuff, because again, I agree with the morality police swarming comment, I just think there's some on both sides of this. mang0's not a saint, that's kind of his whole brand, and I love him for it at times.

@geoffmartinez386

Жыл бұрын

Mang0s a 30 year old alcoholic who plays video games for a living anyone looking up to him is delusional

@PinkManGuy

Жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't he? Nothing's enforced. Look at Leffen. No one is making him go away, and the people refusing to excommunicate him aren't excommunicated themselves. The community needs to put the boot on the neck of their players and both remind them of their place in this world, and make them feel gratitude for it.

But how will this effect the global trout population?

@lazypaladin

Жыл бұрын

Finally, some sense in this madness!

@zachsteiner

Жыл бұрын

Finally, someone who understands what actually matters

@cuchutrain

Жыл бұрын

after reading the whole twit longer I think I'm gonna eat less trout now, so.... up

@Yutyo6

Жыл бұрын

This is sure to affect the global trout population

6:29 HBox is so damn content-pilled lmao. Always on the lookout for great content.

The thumbnail with the orange hoodie looks like a mugshot and he's in jail. 🤣

Thumbnail looks like Armada doing this from jail 😂😂😂

I can't believe Mango turned out to be a Dark Triad :c Jokes aside, hope they can move forward professionaly and/or amicably

I’m not deep in melee drama/competition but I’ve been casually following since 2012. It blows my mind that anyone could send a death threat to Armada over something as inane as this drama.

@douggieharrison6913

Жыл бұрын

internet people will send death threats if you dislike their favorite flavor of poptarts

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

I was sent a death threat on KZread just for responding to a guy.

editors you didnt cut that up!!

This is making me embarrassed to be a melee fan. At least Zain admitted he was becoming too obsessed with rankings but almost all other top players are so overly protective of their "legacies"

@itscoolthough419

Жыл бұрын

I kinda get them to be honest. They have spent like 15+ years of their lives to it.

@gabrielabrera9966

Жыл бұрын

Imagine being an Ultimate fan. Everyone hates everything except their own opinions!

@Ryleeman54number2

Жыл бұрын

The scene would be boring without that. I'm a Marth player and there's a reason I don't root for zain js

@SUPERLINKX2

Жыл бұрын

@@itscoolthough419but that was their choice. And with every choice, you have to be prepared for certain implications

@Bladieblah

Жыл бұрын

Zain quickly became Mango/Leffen 2.0 after rising to the top, trying to adopt a streamer personality and all that, hard to watcg

This type of dialogue reminds me of smashboards to be honest. Actually seems more tame than smashboards

keep up the pace

that happens to the best, that´s why it happened to armada and hbox

They respected each other very much when they used to play, it just really felt like since there wasn't nobody pushing back mang0 keep "joking" and it went too far

@TheVoidNoob

Жыл бұрын

It didn't go too far it's just people taking it too seriously

@invinciblemercenary510

Жыл бұрын

@@TheVoidNoob I don’t think Mang0 said anything that would be considered going too far but like Armada said it was just super constant and felt unnecessary. Mang0 probably didn’t really think he was being hurtful because he enjoys goofing and that’s his personality you can see that with Scar Toph S2J Lucky and the crew they all joke at each other’s expense nothing personal. But Armada isn’t apart of that crew and probably doesn’t understand that Mang0 is just poking fun lightheartedly and doesn’t seriously disrespect or dislike Armada.

Melee is gonna need it’s own justice system soon. Bring out mr game and watch for this one, we need a judge in here

@beardalaxy

Жыл бұрын

yeah some people tried that and then people in that justice system got ousted for being bad individuals then the whole thing shut down.

I would love to see a tag team boxing with hbox and armaba vs mang0 and Leffen

@thereconracoon3715

Жыл бұрын

Leffen would immediately SD

@thenoseguy

Жыл бұрын

@@thereconracoon3715 I'm imagining that he just clocks himself in the head and gets knocked out

@imjustbread9209

Жыл бұрын

He's lucky m2k isn't there to 6-0 him

@RIStar-ds7wr

Жыл бұрын

Lmao. All these four people have beefed with each other at one point or another.

@RenShinomiya121

Жыл бұрын

@@RIStar-ds7wr make it a Free-for-All then, it woule honestly be glorious.

Saw myself in chat at 16:45

Dude Smash Boxing would be nuts 😅

@Nipponing

Жыл бұрын

It happened already.

I would kill to see M2K slap the controller out of Leffen

Seeing any of the old gods still having beef is like watching your divorced parents still fighting over weekend visitation.

Armada was one of my favorites back in the day.

"I hate being a drama goblin but - it's juicy" This is why Hbox is my goat

@spyox04

Жыл бұрын

I love to hate him, or I hate loving him?

The drama in the Smash Community is exactly why it's so hard to fully 100% get behind it. A bunch of 30+ year old children playing a children's party game without the party aspect. The scene bred toxicity over the last couple of decades and this is just the end result. I really don't see it ever getting any better unfortunately. Maybe the next generation will prove me wrong.

@neopolitaneagle212

Жыл бұрын

lol u ok man

@juhadexcelsior

Жыл бұрын

100% spot on.

@undeniablySomeGuy

Жыл бұрын

I think that Armada is being as mature as he can be in this situation. He just wants to fucking live in peace. He deserves that. Despite the fact that he hasn't been a public melee figure in so long, he's still getting shit from the Mango crowd. There are children, and there are adults.

@FM360

Жыл бұрын

It seems like Technicals was right all long

@nachot6592

Жыл бұрын

The ultimate generation is mostly drama free. They do not do the shit this melee guys do.

But how will this effect Car Seat Headrest's radio play?

HBox: editors cut that out Editor: ah, this is prime content

I can see it now. Ludwig Smashboxing Tournament: Hungrybox vs. Leffen Dr. Alan vs. Ken Chen Armada vs. Mango

@risersin7957

Жыл бұрын

Which one is the main event?

Tell us something we didn't already know... The sky is blue, The sun is bright Mango is an a$$hole... I think anyone that has seen mangos behavior over the last decade already knew this lol.

6:01 lol editors left Hbox hanging on that one

once you get old you notice some things are just not worth putting effort into especially if it's something negative.

Smash boxing, 3 stock followed by a 3 min round. First to 3peat rounds or KO wins

@rohanshah7559

Жыл бұрын

Don’t give Ludwig any more ideas

Armada will always be the GOAT, and nothing will change my mind. You could basically count on one hand the number of times that he missed Grand Finals over, what, a four or five year stretch? He had a two-three year stretch where he didn't lose anyone not named mango, Leffen or Hbox. He completely shut out several characters/ players. He never sandbagged, he never took a game off, he made the BEST players in the world scratch, and fight, and claw for every percent.

@foundinthesauce8895

Жыл бұрын

You’re so delusional but go off

@yamikamisama9166

Жыл бұрын

@@foundinthesauce8895 you're the delusional one that is COPING

@foundinthesauce8895

Жыл бұрын

@@yamikamisama9166 yea man for sure Armanda def the goat

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

He couldn't do it anymore though. The meta changed and the goat will change too

that was the best meal of wendeys i'd every had, Juan. i want to make sure that no one trying that hard to beat you will ever experience the need to break themselves to do that though. thank you as well for giving me the time of day, even if it did take a while.

All I can say on the matter is I was sad to see Armada leave melee. He was one of the gods, and he will always be missed.

It’s sad that it’s gotten bad enough that Armada feels the need apologize for some comment he made on the meta three years ago. I really wish the smash community could move on from toxicity so it could be taken more seriously.

@sailgoat4733

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, grown adults playing a kids party game dead seriously at tournaments will probably never be taken seriously by the general public

@Bladieblah

Жыл бұрын

@@sailgoat4733 It will be, esports are already embraced by millions of people and that number will only grow :)

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

Bruh, Armada needs to apologize to Hbox too for the hate he also spreaded back in 2016. But nooooo, he's the victim. He created this environment too before he left lmfao

How will this affect Hbox's ad revenue?

@EdwardReset

Жыл бұрын

$$$

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

Booming rn lmfao

Someone should send the timestamp of Hungry box talking about the boxing event potential to Ludwig

We need a video of you making a top 10 tier list for opponents who made you feel like dog shit.

Mango is immature and always has been. He’s fun to watch but it’s no surprise he’s toxic for Armada! And considering how many times I’ve heard Mango say he hates Hbox, Mango should grow up already. Edit: Saw what Mango said on Twitter and was as civil as anyone could be. That I respect.

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

Now did you see his video response? Even more well handled.

Armada's voice is so iconic you can't not read this in his voice

I don't think my body was ready to hear the words, "my mom is an Armada fan" because I just burst out laughing afterwards 😆

I love you HungryBox. Much love.

Esam vs Technicals Smash Boxing

I wonder how this will affect the melee community

How will the affect Luigi's taunt!? 🤔

2013 hbox AMA energy except it's 10 years later and it's from a gdamn 30 year old now instead of a kid still in college

Ive been singing Hbox's praises since 2014(when I got into the scene) in So Cal. And I want to say that Mang0's impact on the community has been so good for so many storylines. But almost exclusively negative in so many aspects. I was an extremely active Norwalk player around this time. And the consensus was that Hbox had no skill and "played lame" and was a bad person. Literally, these people didn't even know Hbox. One guy I knew got Hbox to sign his console, and literally kept saying this opinion anyways without really exchanging more than a few words with him, and honestly, Mang0 is like 99% of that problem.

@douggieharrison6913

Жыл бұрын

I liked Hbox as a dude, but I really hated his play style. Anyone that just runs the clock and hangs off the edge is always annoying as hell and I want to see them lose lmao but I didn't hate him as a human nor did I convince myself he "sucked"

People trying to downplay what Armada went through just know there are people that would take their lives for this type of harassment. I don't think Mango is 100% responsible for his fans actions, but when you foster hatred for years within your community over one person this is the result. And for that I think Mango was in the wrong.

@TheVoidNoob

Жыл бұрын

Mango did not foster anything, people just take stream banter the wrong way.

@yamikamisama9166

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheVoidNoob Nah, that wasn't just banter. I tune into Mang0's stream every now and then, and he would shit on Armada whenever he had the chance. If you really couldn't see the bad blood then you're being delusional or trying to downplay what Mango did.

@invinciblemercenary510

Жыл бұрын

@@yamikamisama9166 I disagree with you. Mang0 is 100% banter and doesn’t promote actual hate. Most of his followers can read the room and understand that it’s suppose to be a fun stream. Because he jokes around about Armada doesn’t mean there’s “bad blood” because Mang0 can be seen cracking jokes about everyone. If Armada felt the wrong way about them he should’ve spoke to Mang0 in private and Mang0 would’ve stopped.

@invinciblemercenary510

Жыл бұрын

@@yamikamisama9166 btw I’m not saying Armada doesn’t have a right to feel the way he does because he totally does. All I’m saying is that nobody is in the wrong here. Mang0 didn’t have malicious intent and Armada has a right to express himself, but personally I do believe they should’ve handled it in private

@TheVoidNoob

Жыл бұрын

@YamiKamiSama yeah man I watch Mangos stream once in a blue moon so like no yeah he's just spewing hate /s lmao if armada or one of his shills like you could just post some clips of mangos stream and prove it then I'll be happy to agree with you

Hungrybox v Leffen rofl that would be one hell of a thing to see

Insert surprised Armada clickbait face thumbnail here

I think there's a disconnect between what Mang0 say's and what his audience understands. I mean this in the nicest way (which still isn't nice) but his audience suffers from an inability to understand basic competitive trash talk because most of them were nerds that didn't play sports growing up. I don't think Mang0 is legit "trying" to belittle Armada he's just trying to bait him to play again because Mang0 just wants to play against the best players he can. However, I think his audience tends to not understand the intent and takes it literally, and instead of understanding it's for a competitive reason they go on a weird and borderline unhinged K-pop stans level of idiocy and harassment. Should Mang0 clarify his intent? Hell yeah, he needs to understand his audience can be insanely stupid. Should he be solely blamed because almost none of his fans understand basic sports trash talk? Nuh, that's on them to go outside and realize you can shit-talk someone while respecting their skill.

@TheVoidNoob

Жыл бұрын

You nailed it. Also Armada is acting the same way as Mangos fans. It's just banter because Mango wants him to play again and Armada is taking it as trash talking. Mango is not responsible for what his fans say or do because he never told them to do that.

@chainswordcs

Жыл бұрын

i dont watch mango but as a certified Insanely Stupid person i can confirm that's plausible for at least some of his audience. i'm the same way--i get heated and passionate and emotional at the drop of a hat. and that's on me, i'm working on it but that's difficult and part of my nature.

@beardalaxy

Жыл бұрын

I think Armada seems to be guilty of that disconnect as well, calling Mango out for being a toxic asshole rather than just focusing on his fans not understanding what he's meaning to say.

@billalzerouali4472

Жыл бұрын

@@TheVoidNoob banter with someone who isn't necessarily your friend doesn't always work out

@Kool212

Жыл бұрын

@@beardalaxyCould it be a culture thing?

Honestly, the real reason is because Armada is the real GOAT of the game and Mango's ego cannot handle it. It doesn't go further than that

@Hazakura-in

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 And? He has the best consistency of the history of the game, unlike mango. And if you lose to a scrubish strat you are the scrub, not the guy who does it

@Hazakura-in

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 Delusional. Nearly no one will hold a top 5 minimum result for more than a decade ever again. Armada is relevant because he is the GOAT, simple as that. No matter what you think in your american centric head.

@Hazakura-in

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 Disrespectful ? When it's been Mango shitting on him for the most part and he just answered ONCE ? Lol. Man you gotta be 9 or something, or you must have Mango's dick so far down your throat you can't realize how retarded you are

editors did not cut that out XD

Hbox could you reveal your personal tier list in a separate video? That would be awesome.

I know Hbox probably isn’t the GOAT of Melee, but he’s always been my favorite player. Always identified with him way more than I did with any other of the players in the scene. Similar life stories and whatnot, expect I lacked the skill to be even a halfway decent melee player lmao.

@thegreattaiyou

Жыл бұрын

Hbox statistically has a better claim to GOAT than mango, at least.

@colebresnehen38

Жыл бұрын

@@thegreattaiyouyeah statistically Mang0 is undeniably 3rd but it’s hard to deny that he does “embody the spirit” of melee more than any other player

@RamikinHorde

Жыл бұрын

@@colebresnehen38 Being a degenerate manchild? An unfortunate mascot

I hate how the community can hold up such awful people like Mango and turn a blind eye to the shit they do. Oh, it's just Mango being Mango! We don't have to hold him to decent standards!

@ZombieaidZ

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, same with leffen. Those two made me distance myself from the melee community. I eventually stopped watching altogether.

@johnritter9526

Жыл бұрын

Damn I wish I had the free time to care about smash players personal lives. Watching their gameplay is about all most ppl have time for in this hustle bustle world. Best smash player is n0ne btw and as always playing>watching.

@zooker7938

Жыл бұрын

@@johnritter9526 If you choose not to care about who community figures are as people, and just focus on gameplay itself, that's perfectly fine. But a lot of us, inexplicably, do have time to care about who these people are. And those of us who do care could do much better in expecting good standards of behaviour from them.

@douggieharrison6913

Жыл бұрын

@@ZombieaidZ yeah I was super disappointed with Leffen. When i first got into Smash I loved that dude cause he was always the underdog and shit talked but often mananged to beat the best players. But then I saw his behavior and how much of a little bitch he was and was super disappointed it wasn't friendly banter but really just his actual personality. smh i used to root for him hard but now i can't fkn stand him

6:00 Hbox: "Editors, cut that out" Editor: "No, I don't think I will"

You have such a good attitude, Hbox.

Mango? A friend of Leffen, being toxic? No! Please, it isn't so?!

@plipplop3684

Жыл бұрын

They're not really friends as much as people think they are, he shit talks leffen probs more than Armada

@BboP_

Жыл бұрын

What??

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

@@plipplop3684 I heard a mango fan mention that he brought up Armada like 20-30 times a stream one point

After seeing PP and Cody play on unranked, I think a top 5 player from 2016 could be in top 15 today with just a bit of practice, so I have to agree that the meta hasn't changed that much at the top since 2018, it just feels like there are more players at the top now.

@deeepblue

Жыл бұрын

Bruh even armada specified that he was only referring to the meta not changing much pre-slippi in 2020. The last 2-3 years changed things a massive amount

@Masaru_kun

Жыл бұрын

@@deeepblue yeah I'm aware, my point was that seeing how quickly someone like PP can become competitive on slippi, I think the meta hasn't changed so much that top players can't adapt their play styles from 2018 or even 2016.

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

Not even close, netplay isn't an end all be all like offline is. Pp wouldn't even break top 20 imo. Armada wouldn't. Too harsh competition I think

@Masaru_kun

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 armada and pp would both be top 20 easy if they just took some time to get caught up on the meta

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

@@Masaru_kun I'd love to see it happen, but I especially doubt Armada would with the ego he has got.

That stream chat is hilarious

I get the impression that Armada and Mang0 is something that never really went out and stuff gets added to cause flare ups. HBox and Mang0 blazed then brunt out.

@RenShinomiya121

Жыл бұрын

When i saw HBox and Mang0 is cool nowadays to the point that they even went to a game together, surprises me knowing that they had a massive beef. Then i realized that they have clashed so many times and eventually realized their hate is stupid and became friends. Armada and Mang0, however. Never got the chance to make amends since Armada quit competing in Melee and Mang0 spouted bullshit about the whole situation while drunk.

@coolyeh1017

Жыл бұрын

@@RenShinomiya121 Also made it difficult that Mang0 and Armada never really had as many chances to meet together in person. Armada leaving the game and also tend to sleep early so he doesn't hang out with fellow competitors as much as other competitors who stay out very late (Armada did this when he was younger though). Add to the physical distance it leaves little opportunity for Mang0 and Armada to settle their difference like how HBox mostly calmed down his beef with Leffen (you will see them joke and hang out together at some tournaments) or the infamous Mang0/Hbox feud (it was pretty nasty pre-2017).

@beardalaxy

Жыл бұрын

@@RenShinomiya121 Not only did they not get a chance to make amends, but I bet Mango feels kind of slighted that for a long time, him and Armada went back and forth, and as Armada was really giving Mango the sauce he just stopped competing and ended up being positive on wins against Mango. He's got that highly competitive spirit, so not having a chance to get back at your rival is a pretty hard pill to swallow. Only way he sees it happening is if he pushes Armada's buttons so much that it motivates him to come back to try to prove he's still better than Mango is, so that Mango can be pushed harder and take him out.

Armada put his time in and work he made the knights bow to his will. Show some respect

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

He quit the game when the heat got too hot

Aaaaaaand I continue to not understand why people love Mango so much.

@personalejcr

Жыл бұрын

I like the actual mang0, the old mang0 was a douche, but he has changed for the better

@RenShinomiya121

Жыл бұрын

Dad!Mang0 is actually cool, that's why his recent streams is better. Back in the days though, he's a massive douche to other people for being lucky he could make a living by playing a game while being a dropout. It's like having a child actually changed him.

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how people love Armada when he was around that toxicity when he played too. But the victim status makes you all forget that. Bro smeared Hbox like Leffen did back in the day. He was part of all the hate. Now all the sudden tho he's innocent. I wish I was born earlier, I was only 15 back in 2016. I would have liked to have today's perspective 5 years ago. Idk lol

@FluffLBunny

Жыл бұрын

@@debeb5148 It's definitely possible I missed it, but I don't remember Armada being toxic ever, just awkward. I was 26 in 2016 and pretty involved in the community. But I was a PPMD Mew2King fan so its possible I didn't have enough eyes on Armada then. I didn't care for Mang0 though, he has always been an ass.

@debeb5148

Жыл бұрын

@@FluffLBunny Yeah you missed it, and that's ok. I missed it too, and I was younger at the time. He made toxic comments when he was drunk on some occasions, like he was commentating with D1 and he was talking absolute shit on Americans. It was banter you'd see from Leffen or Mango actually, and now all the sudden he can't handle what's going on now. He smeared Hbox with Leffen back in those 2016 days too. "Reasons to Dislike Hbox" "Why I hate Jigglypuff" it was clear as daylight, and not a person gave a fuck. And it's not like Armada was toxic every second of the day. I'm just saying that he contributed.

A Mango vs Armada SmashBoxing would be crazy lol

@douggieharrison6913

Жыл бұрын

yeah Mang0 would probably get knocked out immediately cause he'd probably be blackout drunk lmao

ill make my way there in a bit