ARM Windows 11 on RK3588 SBC (Orange Pi 5)
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Running Windows 11 ARM on an Orange Pi 5, using materials from the WoR (Windows on Raspberry) project. And it works!
The WoR website, which contains links to all required downloads and information, is here:
worproject.com
My review of the Orange Pi 5 is here:
• Orange Pi 5: Excellent...
And of the RK3588-based Rock 5B here:
• Rock 5B: Powerful RK35...
And my video running Windows 11 on a Raspberry Pi 4 is here:
• Windows 11 ARM on Rasp...
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:40 Hardware
03:29 WoR Setup
10:28 Fingers Crossed
12:29 Windows on Orange
15:03 ARM & x86 Apps
17:57 ARM Futures
#ARM #Windows #RK3588 #explainingcomputers
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We’re not “taking a closer look” We’re “Getting Started” Today. My Sunday’s will never be the same. Thanks Chris.
As well as admiring his skill at Explaining Computers, I love Chris' character and his humour! As well as naming his tools, he says things like, "Let's be exciting!" as he downloads, extracts, and writes his files! 🤣 "This is an exciting video (with ducks), isn't it?" You're mad as a box of frogs, but DON'T EVER CHANGE, Chris! 👍🤣
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. :) I did enjoy making this video.
@lawrenceallwright7041
11 ай бұрын
Gotta have ducks 🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆
Simply amazing. All you need is a little software, a few ducks and you’ve got Windows 11 on another ARM computer. Looking forward to your next video!
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings Perry!
@johntrevy1
11 ай бұрын
When you have a few Duck allies anything is possible.
@perrymcclusky4695
11 ай бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers Always wonderful to be greeted by you! Can’t wait for someone to run Windows 11 on a RISC-V computer. It’s amazing what can be accomplished nowadays! Looking forward to next Sunday.
@perrymcclusky4695
11 ай бұрын
@@johntrevy1 Maybe it’s because the ducks talk back. Maybe I need to find some ducks of my own.
@johntrevy1
11 ай бұрын
@@perrymcclusky4695 GO for it. Unfortunately for me there is a bit of a language barrier since all the ducks will hear from me is *MEOW, MEOW, MEOW*
Although not a Windows user, I can see he merit of this movement to all things Arm - Windows included, I've loved using an Arm computer since the Acorn days (still do), and wouldn't have imagined it would come this far. Thank you Chris, as always.... you really are the SBC king :-)
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings my friend, and thanks for your support.
@terrydaktyllus1320
11 ай бұрын
I love your channel and work with FreeBSD - and Chris' work with SBC's too. But responsible computing advocates (and I include myself in that as a Linux and UNIX SME of more than 30 years experience) should be highlighting the dangers of closed source OSes (whether Google, Apple or Microsoft) and their affect on privacy.
@RoboNuggie
11 ай бұрын
@@terrydaktyllus1320 You have a point, and that would be a great video topic....
@terrydaktyllus1320
11 ай бұрын
@@RoboNuggie It's not for me to tell you how to run your channel but I enjoy your content extremely, even though I use Linux more than FreeBSD but still love anything UNIX. But I think the message needs to be made loud and clear that "convenience" and "privacy" are opposing systems. It shocks me, for example, to be walking down my local high street and see a youngster holding a hands free mobile phone to their mouth and me being able to hear an entire conversation - sometimes with stuff being said that I would find embarrassing to say in public! There are kids now that have zero concept of privacy, and I bet the evil corporations of Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook and Amazon love it.
@ps3customgamer
9 ай бұрын
Not windows! How are you enjoying command line
Most excellent video. Thank you for sharing all the details about how to get this to work and the issues you experienced.
Early days but very promising to see work being done to support RK3588 chips so well done and thanks for sharing Chris as you demonstrated things wonderfully 🎉
Thanks Chris for another amazing video. Once the drivers get sorted for sound, ethernet & GPU the future is going to look exciting for arm boards! I'm looking forward to the updated video, brilliant! :)
@hb1338
11 ай бұрын
One of the reasons that Windows 7 was so successful is that Microsoft did an enormous amount of work with hardware manufacturers to ensure that AT LAUNCH it had driver support for just about every piece of hardware on the planet. I hope very much that the board manufacturers will make sure that they provide Windows drivers for their boards in a timely manner, otherwise there is a very real risk that Windows on ARM will be a short lived project.
@hermanwooster8944
10 ай бұрын
@@hb1338 The much-rumored Windows 12 is a perfect opportunity to fix this.
The Task manager performance tab showing logical core and memory usage would be interesting.
Thanks for another great video, Chris! Windows on ARM hopefully offers a glimpse for a promising future, especially for running legacy applications that didn't have significant hardware requirements by today's standards.
Thanks Chris. Very promising for the future once they get the drivers optimised for the architecture. I expect that the performance will seriously improve when Microsoft get both the hardware and software sorted and when the next generation of SBCs are released
As always a good well video! Love your content Chris.
Really interesting stuff. The first manufacturer who can provide full GPU acceleration on one of these boards would make an absolute mint - they look fantastic!
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Agreed. So much potential with RK3588 boards.
@johntrevy1
11 ай бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers I think RISCOS needs to make a serious return.
@stephensu4371
11 ай бұрын
yeah if some one can provide full gpu drive that will be interesting
An LTSC (less bloated, yet Microsoft official) version would be interesting for a low power office solution
@marcinoo97
11 ай бұрын
but 19044 has no x64 emulation support so it will be less fun.
@vicmac3513
11 ай бұрын
LTSC is heavily bloated and super slow compared to LTSB.
@Michaelmaertzdorf
11 ай бұрын
@@marcinoo97 Rumor has it 23H2 / 24H@ of Windows 11 is also going to be the first LTSC build/release
@Okurka.
11 ай бұрын
@@vicmac3513 IoT LTSC isn't.
@TheRedmarlboroman
9 ай бұрын
Just curious to ask, why you didn’t use the m.2 slot so that you can use nvme ssd and you can reduce the use of usb to sata cable which can look more neater ?
Interesting video. Thanks for making it. It makes Microsoft's arguments even more dubious that Windows needs modern hardware when their operating system can run on a SBC. One thing that I love about this channel is that I often think "nice, but I have no use case for that, besides the tech isn't mature", but once in a while, something will come up and I'll remember one of your videos.
@chaoticsystem2211
11 ай бұрын
MS wants us to buy new hardware so they call sell us another copy of windows...
@mozzjones6943
11 ай бұрын
You'll be amazed how well windows runs once you strip out all the crap! Atlas OS is quite something, Windows 10 is running faster on my A10-6700 APU with 4gb ram than the full version on my Ryzen 5800 with 16gb ram and rtx 3080ti lol
Great video as usual and very great to watch and enjoy Love your channel as I learn so much and really appreciate you taking the time to share this very important video You really make watching and learning computer so enjoyable you're very kind Peter thanks a Billion Mike
absolutely love this, great job
Greetings Chris. These various open source projects really improving usability of devices even though big tech don't seem too enthusiastic about. Awesome tutorial as always. 👏
@terrydaktyllus1320
11 ай бұрын
Sorry, what specifically about Windows 11 is "open source"? I have cleared missed something.
One of your first viewers! It's so pleasing to watch your videos on a nice sunday evening.
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings -- and thanks for watching.
Nice work Chris! Thank you very much.
Interesting, thanks for showing this. Once they get the drivers optimized it might be usable.
Thanks a lot Sr for do8ng this sunday happy for all
Great video, Chris. Thanks for sharing.
Terrific but so near yet so far. I shall watch progress carefully. Thanks for the vid.
WOW, impressive hack Thanks for showing a new route for the SBC's Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us 🙂
Chris, great video. Very informative and entertaining.
It really looks like these boards will shine when the GPU support is reliably implemented. Still watching with interest.
@silentios7336
11 ай бұрын
We use some ARM based MS surface's in our company and i can tell you right of the bat, the support is horrendously bad. I do hope it will change soon, but that only time can tell.
@SirToddTheGod
11 ай бұрын
@@silentios7336 that's the official ms version. There's a brilliant guy named 'mariob' that offers his own version of the OS for these 'unsupported' boards and his work is much, much better as it's not limited by some governing board. He's a great guy and really intelligent. In fact, he's a one man team and he's the one that's built each of the windows OSes available for everything not endorsed by MS themselves and his work is 100x better. I encourage everyone to migrate to his OS because you won't need support for anything that he doesn't mention up front. If he says it's stable then it's stable.
Fabulous video. Very excited about x86 apps on the orange pi via widows install. Thanks 👍🏿
Consider me impressed, but what really stood out is just how much we take for granted network connectivity for just about everything we do from setting up all the way to installing software.
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
I had the same thought -- suddenly -- "oh, this is how we used to do everything".
@StephenC050
11 ай бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers steady on… you didn’t use floppy’s did you? 😂😂
Cool and thanks. Looks promising! Bring on the RPi 5 models!
Nice video Chris! Thanks for sharing it with us!😎💖👍JP
Considering that it had no GPU acceleration it was running very well. I waited that you will show the Device Manager in the video, but maybe next time :)
This was way over my head. I'm going to have to watch it again! On another note, your recent review of a BMax mini PC inspired me to purchase a Beelink Mini S12 Pro N100 with 16Gb RAM and 500Gb SSD. I paid just under 27,000 yen for it (about 160 pounds) It should arrive today and the first thing I'll do is wipe Windows and install Linux!
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Enjoy your new PC. :)
Exciting, indeed!
Great software novae hardware tweaking and experimental ideas. Thanks for sharing!!
videos from this man alone are the sole reason why ive maintained an interest in working on windows machines. and to think i almost stopped using windows permanently. AMA, Current machines are an HP T630 (Linux Mint Daily driver), Generic laptop (windows 11), Dell Optiplex 730 (Build in progress, used as file server)
I'm very impressed by the speed.
Very interesting. Thanks so much.
So exciting Chris;
Woah! "Sneaker net". Haven't heard that phrase since the 90s 🙂
Expert digital tinkering! Congratulations... and thank you!
Thanks for the video. What Windows ARM needs is to become a first class citizen, not something that only runs properly on a few boards chosen by Microsoft.
Good video. It will be great when they get the drivers sorted out. (Nice to see the ducks.)
Ah, Sunday Morning Tea With a Timelord. Splendid.
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
:)
Thanks!
Chris thanks for another informative video. I keep waiting for the MS EULA is for the to include the permission for the MS installer to delete all non MS systems and software….😂! Have a nice week.
A very interesting project...
Great video! I've tested windows 10 on pi 4 before and I managed to connect to the internet via usb tethering connected to my android phone, iphone also works too. I also managed to get windows 10 activated and ms office 2019 also activated on the pi 4, and it works amazingly smooth BUT I won't recommend anyone actually do it though. As far as I know, microsoft has an exclusive deal with qualcomm on the development of windows on arm, and it might have happened before apple on m1 is even announced. Hopefully the deal will expires in a few more years so until then, our only solution to get windows running arm is only through unofficial community maintained projects..
Very interesting video as always Mr. Barnatt! As always, thanks for clearly and concisely Explaining Computers!!!
Lol... SneakerNet. 😂 A term I've used since the old Zip drive days. Thanks for another great video Chris.
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings Steve. :)
Thanks Chris for another informative, interesting video. Since this is an OS video... On a number of your videos regarding orange/banana pi you mention that the software for a number of these SBCs is "iffy." Have you thought about doing a video to build an OS for these devices using Buildroot? That might be exciting!
Great Video
ARM still has a way to go to be an option for those of us who use highly intensive applications that require a lot of computing horsepower. Even Apples ARM Chip fails in this regard. That said, software developers are porting programs over, so I guess we will see. I would love to have a powerful, pocketable ARM PC that I can take from job to job running Revit or Civil3D and be able to do Rendering at a client site. I am sure that ARM in its current configuration is fine for simple tasks. We do not all do simple tasks though. Great video as always Chris!!
wow! impressive! thanks for making this video. Can you also show power usage in the next videos?
@wlsports3608
5 ай бұрын
Usually 3.5w or less
So fun!
Impressive!
It’s a great great great day when he uploads
@Praxibetel-Ix
11 ай бұрын
Yup! ^_^
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Thanks, appreciated. :)
I haven't watched the video in full yet, but I just wanted to say that for everyday usage something like an old 4th Gen i3/i5 PC running Debian or a Deb Spin is fine. Just watched it in full - WOW - its performance is pretty impressive :)....an advantage I can see immediately is lower power consumption and I would like to see how something like Zoom or Skype would work. The RPi Foundation really needs to consider marketing their new models towards a true desktop replacement offering Arm Windows 11 compatibility, as the reduction of power consumption offered by ARM processors must surely be an attractive proposition to buyers.
Greetings good sir! Excellent videoooo. Thank you for introducing us to WoR even if a WiP. VERY interesting. Love to see it in a more mature state. Love the compatible with "other glorified mobile phones" in the warning box Curious what that may mean. But now that's it for another Sunday! Stay well my friend!
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
I thought this one my interest you. And I imagine WoR will crack the driver support.
@sbc_tinkerer
11 ай бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers No doubt!
good video, thank you
Very interesting. Thanks
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings my friend.
I agree with your predictive conclusion. I suppose it will come down to : Cost per Operations per Unit Time
@phrankus2009
11 ай бұрын
And, by that, same token, it would follow that RISC-V will overtake ARM, even before ARM has supplanted X86. In future, we may even see a custom Ap-Processor chip, for each, licensed copy, of each, major App. (media editing and graphics creation, etc.).
Microsoft: "you will not have our latest OS on lower powered systems" The Community: "yes we will"
Amazing stuff! Looks like ARM might be the future!
@johntrevy1
11 ай бұрын
Will be the future.
@Pridetoons
11 ай бұрын
It will be, if we get good GPU support.
@LivingLinux
11 ай бұрын
RISC-V disagrees. 😉
@MaxGoof
11 ай бұрын
My first thought was "ARM has been the future for a long time." I am glad ARM is maturing, but I do like having a choice of architecture, so I'm glad to see RISC-V being developed.
@johntrevy1
11 ай бұрын
@@LivingLinux I don't see any current benefits of RISC-V other than political outrage.
If Raspberry doesn't make the PI 5 truly available soon, I'll get an Orange Pi 5 Plus. I agree that it would be very cool to get Windows running on either board. I saw somewhere that contractual issues will prevent Qualcomm from putting its new Snapdragon X in Windows machines. Pity 'bout that!
I can’t wait for an Windows arm tablet one day
Very interesting.
Chris, have you seen or heard of the 'indiedroid nova' yet? It's a really great board thats aimed more at multimedia applications. Nonetheless, you can get it in similar specs as the Opi5, but the emmc is changeable like the Odroid boards. I've recently had the _pleasure_ of doing some dev work on it and it's a new rk3588s board. it's quite impressive how the community of developers have rallied together behind the scenes to work out all of the kinks in support for these boards. I've not tried the Opi5 yet, but most of the Chinese manufactured boards are quite similar. The rk3588s is really a quite impressive leap forward by rockchip when compared to their second in line, the rk3399.
Random info but latest insider (25357) is like 3% faster in most tasks than normal stable release of 22621 as there were some arm specific optimisations made.
Perfect timeing for this i was just looking at orange pi's strage how much orange pi's have gone up in price
Well Chris you are right about ARM taking over from x86, & it's about the Cores, MAC has 16 Core CPU's everybody else will play catch-up to Match Performance, I like the Orange Pi 5 myself, it is quite quick, I use a Crucial 500gb M2 NVME SSD & Network Port Functions for me, I thank you for removing any notion of installing Windows 11 on a Pi 5 on a Dare ...
It is impressive but again it does illustrate the continual barrier to progress on such architecture, the lack of manufacturer provided hardware accelerated GPU drivers in too many OS's.
Thank you EC 👍 Does the ssd adapter have a UASP ic? Which would make it quicker. lsusb command (or something like) that will check. Kindest regards, neighbours.
It's like you're reading my mind.
Hi, Thank you very on the windows installation teaching, I wonder if there is a way to connect to the internet with the orange pi ?
Greetings Mr. Barnatt. Thats awesome. Orange pi can run windows 11
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greeting! I am glad that you appreciate the ARM Windows potential. :)
nice time spending Sir
Lovely to see Windows 11 working well on the Orange Pi! However, you did leave out a very important test; to see if it'll run Solitaire properly. 😅 I do have a couple questions here today. 1. Do you usually bring something tasty for the ducks when you go and have a chat with them? 2. Did you happen to see that new Doctor Who trailer yesterday? ;)
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings my friend. I did indeed see the new trailer -- Beep the Meep is coming with his Dr Who Weekly comic strip friends! :) On that occasion I did not feed the ducks, but somebody else did -- which brought them together on land nicely for the camera. I also saw a wild rabbit, but it was rather camera shy.
@Praxibetel-Ix
11 ай бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers Aww, bunny! Bunnies are always good critters. Beep the Meep looks like a good critter too, and a very cute and fluffy one at that. I look forward to seeing him getting on with David Tennant!
Thank you - I wonder if Intel can pick up in the future as it fails to meet the expectation of the customers.
Thanks for great video. Would be interesting to do more coverage on this. Is USB port working at all? Maybe could try some USB wifi dongle that has arm driver support to enable networking?
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
The other USB pots on the hub work fine -- I managed to access drives on them with no issues (to install software). But sadly a USB WiFi dongle did not work.
Keep the experiment coming! Also will you do a automated. Greenhouse eventually?
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. I had forgotten my plan to automate my greenhouse. I very useful reminder on many levels. I've made a note.
I did this early April. I used the arm version iso of tiny11 instead of the uup. No network for me either. I also found working native arm's of firefox and mpv.
Sold my Raspberry Pi 4 the other day. Can't wait for my Orange Pi 5 to arrive, so i can experiment
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
It is a very good board, with growing support for all kinds of stuff. Enjoy your experiments. :)
I wish you could have tried to install WSL on it if it is supported on this board. Thank u for your effort.
ARM is going to be the future for normal users, gamers and editors ofc will ofc stick to x86, esp given how apple has shifted its laptops on their inhouse arm chip.
A very interesting video with implications that Intel, and X86 by extension, are losing ground, albeit very slowly. Still, the most surprising thing here was that we got started, rather than taking a closer look. 1:37
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
:)
Clearly Shows the Potential of these new arm Socs. It looks like Arm is on the up. Windows to run well on an SOoc? Great.
I hope there comes a day when it's possible to build your own ARM PC much like we build x86 PCs today.
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
What a great thought!
@johntrevy1
11 ай бұрын
Agreed. And it is doable if you remember the RISCPC from Acorn (who seem to be getting the last laugh).
@LivingLinux
11 ай бұрын
Have a look at Phytium D2000. I have one with a Radeon RX550 GPU.
@hermanwooster8944
10 ай бұрын
@@LivingLinux That's China-only, right? What OS are you running and how does it compare to x86?
Hello, fellow Christopher! back again.... That looks really cool! I noticed there has been a somewhat recent improvement in performance on Win11 for the Pi4. Maybe about a month ago or so I noticed the speed boost. I am glad to see this up and running! Does it work on the RockPro64, by chance, do you know? For the RockChip3399?
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings! The WoR project work is RK3588 only as far as I am aware. RK3399 would open up a lot of possibilities, but the RK3388 is more powerful, hence a better bet for Windows (and a more modern chip with Win 11 support).
Thanks Chris's video, it is awesome, and i want to know if the temperature will reach to 75 degrees when you running a desktop application on windows 11 ? and 52Pi has launched ice tower for orange pi 5 and orange Pi 5b too, will you test it on both windows 11 and ubuntu linux ?
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
I did not find any means of measuring the temperature in Wndows 11, but the heat sink on my Orange Pi 5 never got that warm.
Many thanks for tested Win11 on RK3588. 😊👍 If possible, please test Win11 at other RK3588 Computers with emms (UEFI) and nvme (Win11) ssd's. Please check full Hardware Support and If possible to run Android Apps (WSA). I want to use Android and Windows Apps/Games in one OS at RK3588 with 16GB RAM and 500GB hard disc. Thank you for future videos.
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Once the drivers are all in. It can be used daily. ARM notebook.
Very impressive - I have to imagine that Intel may be getting a little nervous!
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings Chris.
@ProdDeity
11 ай бұрын
WinTel isn't going anywhere. It'll stay primary focus for both parties until the end of days
and worked well with 4Gb RAM, looks nice.
Can you do a video on argb fans...hubs..connections etc..thanks
Thanks Chris! I wonder when operating systems will be able to be installed on ARM boards using a generic ISO as is the case with x86? Windows 11 seems to run reasonably well, although the lack of GPU acceleration would have made KZread a non-starter. I wonder if anyone has managed to get ChromeOS running on the Orange Pi 5?
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
This can actually be done here once the firmware is on the micro SD card (or on the board's own flash). However, the USB/drive limitations make it easier to pre-install Windows on other computer, hence all the messing around. But once we have driver support for the M.2 slot and/or eMMC, it will be possible to boot from a USB drive, imaged with a normal Windows ARM ISO, and install to an M.2 SSD or eMMC. Well, at least that's the theory!
Good Morning my friend...
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
Greetings. :)
A most excellent Windows-11 on OPi5 video. I wonder why there are not more Orange Pi5 project kit videos? I am running OpenCV Debian-Bullseye and it is 3 or 4 times faster than the RPi4. Chris, would you please make an OPi5 GPIO PWM, I2C, UART, SPI DIY video. The OPi5 GPIO information is a draw back and not as friendly as the RPi examples. 😎 Thank you.
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
A GPIO video with an Orange Pi 5 is a good idea. I'll see how this video does. Sadly, Orange Pi are not helping themselves by launching so many versions of the board -- we now have the Orange Pi 5, Orange Pi 5B, and Orange Pi 5 Plus. I know that this is understandly not making some developers happy, or keen to develop for the board, as the goal posts keep moving.
@qzorn4440
11 ай бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers Thank you so much for the quick response. I am still trying to get the OPi5 PWM Pan/Tilt to work in Python3-Thonny as the RPi4 examples.
@kevinslattery5748
11 ай бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers will worproject work on the other Orange Pi's? (5B, 5 Plus)
@ExplainingComputers
11 ай бұрын
The WoR project is just for RK3588 boards right now.
I'm very impressed also hopefully Apple in Microsoft can start playing leapfrog again, what Apple has quite the lead. Until next time thank you very much