Arguments Against Personal Identity: Crash Course Philosophy #20

How can Daenerys Targaryen help us understand personal identity? Find out as Hank continues our exploration of personal identity, learning about Hume’s bundle theory and Parfit’s theory of survival through psychological connectedness.
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  • @billygoatideas
    @billygoatideas7 жыл бұрын

    Props to the animator who copied those links to make that huge chainmail graphic that lasted about 6 seconds

  • @RehamTaay

    @RehamTaay

    4 жыл бұрын

    billygoatideas why

  • @lordmaximus5
    @lordmaximus57 жыл бұрын

    Last time I was this early on a video, I was a different person

  • @straus1482

    @straus1482

    7 жыл бұрын

    I am a changed person after reading your comment than before

  • @NjniaVanDerWald

    @NjniaVanDerWald

    7 жыл бұрын

    present me loves you

  • @trbry.

    @trbry.

    7 жыл бұрын

    This is past me..

  • @boipelopolite6803

    @boipelopolite6803

    7 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂😂

  • @lordmaximus5

    @lordmaximus5

    7 жыл бұрын

    ***** yes

  • @nathandoesnada9874
    @nathandoesnada98747 жыл бұрын

    That last bit was beautiful, relatable, and highly relevant. Love isn't a one-time promise, it's a continual reaffirmation of commitment. I love that.

  • @LittleSpaceCase
    @LittleSpaceCase7 жыл бұрын

    It's tough to say how much the memories you had as baby you are subconsciously impacting you today. I would argue that baby you exists in less obvious ways

  • @VanHalensApprentice

    @VanHalensApprentice

    6 жыл бұрын

    Little Space Case dang true. I never thought about it like that

  • @camiloiribarren1450
    @camiloiribarren14507 жыл бұрын

    "We all change, when you think about it. We're all different people all through our lives and that's ok, that's good because we got to keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be" - the Doctor

  • @cunningwolf4516

    @cunningwolf4516

    7 жыл бұрын

    THATS ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT THOUGH OUT THE VIDEO

  • @cunningwolf4516

    @cunningwolf4516

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Darius Brown that's not a word

  • @chloekirk4001

    @chloekirk4001

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hooray!

  • @thezebraherd8275

    @thezebraherd8275

    7 жыл бұрын

    what season did the doctor say that

  • @camiloiribarren1450

    @camiloiribarren1450

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Thezebraherd season 7, the Time of the Doctor. It's when the 11th regenerates

  • @PatrickAllenNL
    @PatrickAllenNL7 жыл бұрын

    this is a great defence in court

  • @job-yw5hm

    @job-yw5hm

    7 жыл бұрын

    I am fairly certain the (western) court follows a way of thinking in between the chain- and memory theory. So it shouldn't work (I think)

  • @DruidEnjoyer

    @DruidEnjoyer

    7 жыл бұрын

    What if you murder someone, and then use the Startrek teleporter to go somewhere, could you argue that the murderer is now dead and this new "you" is just your very identical twin? I think it could work, because technically there is nothing left of the original person on any physical level. Just two sets of people who were REALLY similar, but never co-existed. If you just age normally, there will always be some parts that were in the body of the murderer, thus it would be harder to argue that they are two separate entities. Meanwhile teleportation destroys the original on an atomic level, and assembles a new one. It is very different to aging.

  • @BenDover-ex1cr

    @BenDover-ex1cr

    7 жыл бұрын

    yea exactly

  • @Morec0

    @Morec0

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's moronic. "I'm not the same person I was two weeks ago when I shot that man, ergo I cannot be held responsible." You'll never (or at least I hope you'd never) find any sensible lawyer attempt to use this as a defense, nor any jury buy into it. This is an interesting through experiment, but it's insane to assume that these changes happen so fast and are so great that they make you an entirely different person. Yes, I'm no longer baby me, but I still carry over the same continuity of action and memory (barring traumatic event that erases the latter). That continued continuity is what contains the self, not some static box that holds items. A person is not an object, they're a timeline.

  • @JuanMPalacio

    @JuanMPalacio

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Morec0 Closest thing I can imagine to this defence is temporary insanity or lack of mens rea (guilty mind). My lawyer could argue that the person who shot John Doe was not me. It was my body holding the gun but I was insane for those 5 minutes. The insanity is what caused the shooting not "me". If that defence was successful I'd probably still need to do some sort of mental health examination after the trial.

  • @tonipernar8745
    @tonipernar87454 жыл бұрын

    "Why is it always on the rug" killed me, i love crash course philosophy

  • @alaja200798
    @alaja2007987 жыл бұрын

    I feel like this series could go on forever because the deeper you go, more and more questions pop up and you can spend timeless hours thinking about them and finding new questions to ask. I hope that's the case because I really like this series. It's very entertaining!

  • @DharmaJannyter
    @DharmaJannyter7 жыл бұрын

    If you're a programmer, just think of "Identity" as a Git-Repository. Each commit is like a different version of oneself. What distinguishes me from everyone else is that nobody comes from the same string of commits that I do. Not any one commit is my identity, but the whole branch, from beginning to ending. And whenever I meet an old friend, the "what have you been doing these last years" question is just like pulling the latest changes of your friend's repository to your old local copy of it.

  • @binifarmer4045
    @binifarmer40457 жыл бұрын

    “Men marry women with the hope they will never change. Women marry men with the hope they will change. Invariably they are both disappointed.” - Albert Einstein

  • @renate8290

    @renate8290

    5 жыл бұрын

    Pretty biased.

  • @syedzaid5771

    @syedzaid5771

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mostly due Einstein experience of marriage with his lover.

  • @josephs.7960

    @josephs.7960

    4 жыл бұрын

    Appeal to false authority

  • @ImehSmith

    @ImehSmith

    4 жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍😛🤦🏽‍♀️🤔🤔

  • @ImehSmith

    @ImehSmith

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@renate8290 Yet very true

  • @Dahkeus3
    @Dahkeus37 жыл бұрын

    The self isn't an "illusion", but it's also not some fixed truth. The self is a generalization that use in order to comprehend the complexity of actions, patterns, and ideas that originate from what we identify as a single source. It's a tool that works for practical uses, which breaks down when you try to apply stiff characterizations to it such as changing or unchanging.

  • @UltimateKyuubiFox
    @UltimateKyuubiFox7 жыл бұрын

    8:23 ... Hank, was one of the groomsmen at your wedding a centaur?

  • @Varil81

    @Varil81

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hank himself is half-centaur.

  • @maximusdizon7267

    @maximusdizon7267

    7 жыл бұрын

    clearly Hank's bestfriend is a centaurb

  • @thealmostfreerunner

    @thealmostfreerunner

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Varil clever

  • @voytek5550

    @voytek5550

    7 жыл бұрын

    +UltimateKyuubiFox There was a black chick there too and you didn't point _them_ out. Pretty racist.

  • @SilentBudgie

    @SilentBudgie

    7 жыл бұрын

    Voytek Kathryn's one black friend should host the next Crash Course! Is she an expert in any subject?

  • @UnstableCompounds
    @UnstableCompounds7 жыл бұрын

    I really wish that Crash Course Philosophy had a reading list to go along with each video! I'm not studying philosophy at school so if anybody could recommend some reading material, that would be awesome.

  • @thibautsonnet4214
    @thibautsonnet42145 жыл бұрын

    Finally some theories that take into account that everything is always changing. I always had trouble to understand why we were trying so hard to define dynamic elements with static definitions. From my point of view, what define someone is not who he is in this instant (his cellular/atomic constitution, his memories, his mood, etc.) but how this person is changing and/or reacting to external stimulus. How someone change/react is obviously highly linked to previous life experiences that build him this way. Build a pot and a strainer (previous life experiences) and pour water in it (external stimuli), one will retain the water the other one will let it pass through (how they change/react). Another example (theoretical example here): there would be only one of my friends that would cry if I said the word "Sally" because he is the only one who had a dog called Sally, to whom he was deeply attached, and that had a sensitive enough personality that would make him cry thinking about it. That's how I can define him, how he change/react.

  • @Sentinalh
    @Sentinalh7 жыл бұрын

    Oh man, SOMA goes along with this video SO WELL. I love this kind of stuff.

  • @inspectormcl7635

    @inspectormcl7635

    7 жыл бұрын

    I feel you man. I was wondering if anyone would mention SOMA.

  • @cameronlandry5930

    @cameronlandry5930

    7 жыл бұрын

    I was also thinking that xD I think Hank would like that game.

  • @lanak367

    @lanak367

    7 жыл бұрын

    SOMA is an awesome game, I'm so glad someone likes it as much as I do :D

  • @Sentinalh

    @Sentinalh

    7 жыл бұрын

    Maximvs Dread I don't think I can tell you that without spoiling it. You don't have to get very far into the game before you discover it though so, just keep going.

  • @maximvsdread1610

    @maximvsdread1610

    7 жыл бұрын

    Sentinalh Ok, thanks. I really should get back to it. But, it was so scarey ...lol...

  • @CaptNSquared
    @CaptNSquared7 жыл бұрын

    I wonder how many times I've watched that elderly couple drink that glass of wine. Legitimately, it was to be like, at least 12 times. I am genuinely curious now.

  • @GR-kt4le
    @GR-kt4le7 жыл бұрын

    Hank = soda can, blue book, green book, red book, blue book, cyan book, red book, yellow m&m, green book, anglerfish, green m&m, soda can, orange m&m, blue m&m, blue book, red m&m, yellow m&m, anglerfish, red m&m, blue m&m, this machine pwns noobs guitar, Mars, DNA helix, DFTBA sign, small GOP elephant, big Dem donkey, glasses, sunglasses, heart, another heart, third heart, apple, youtube logo, E=mc^2 on a chalkboard, burrito

  • @TheRachaelLefler

    @TheRachaelLefler

    7 жыл бұрын

    oh it was a burrito I wasn't sure what that thing was

  • @pyroqwerty

    @pyroqwerty

    7 жыл бұрын

    "The various rolls I hold."

  • @teaoliver9712

    @teaoliver9712

    7 жыл бұрын

    You're so punny and I love it.

  • @MjaucastRenzhion
    @MjaucastRenzhion7 жыл бұрын

    What about a crashcourse: Strategy?

  • @vindcara9484

    @vindcara9484

    7 жыл бұрын

    This sounds interesting, but I feel it needs to be broadened. Crash Course LOGIC!

  • @zeromailss

    @zeromailss

    7 жыл бұрын

    Crash Course Common Sense! internet need that so bad

  • @thezebraherd8275

    @thezebraherd8275

    7 жыл бұрын

    that would be cool

  • @DrRAHOU

    @DrRAHOU

    7 жыл бұрын

    What about "crashcourse: Math" or "crashcourse: Religions"

  • @1234kalmar

    @1234kalmar

    7 жыл бұрын

    Well, Crash course christianity basically already happened if you go back to the first dozen episodes of this series. Though it's a repetition of the same thing really. Nonsense Nonsense therefor God.

  • @ginaj1814
    @ginaj18147 жыл бұрын

    "I mean, if you don't have an identity, you don't have to worry about identity theft" LOL

  • @StepBackHistory
    @StepBackHistory7 жыл бұрын

    The transported person isn't on Mars, Unless it's 2028

  • @MFMegaZeroX7

    @MFMegaZeroX7

    7 жыл бұрын

    Or 2074

  • @MagicTurtle643

    @MagicTurtle643

    7 жыл бұрын

    Leon? That you?

  • @cholten99

    @cholten99

    7 жыл бұрын

    You are a sockpuppet for Leon Muss and I claim my £5!

  • @StepBackHistory

    @StepBackHistory

    7 жыл бұрын

    Big words coming from somebody posting on the INTERNET, a network that exists entirely on earth and not mars (until 2028)

  • @kyledolor5257

    @kyledolor5257

    7 жыл бұрын

    I know it's a joke, but how can you call that person transported if he wasn't transported in the first place when you said he isn't on Mars. If he isn't on Mars and he isn't on Earth, then he's basically completely destroyed. He's literally gone for good.

  • @RoscoeKane
    @RoscoeKane7 жыл бұрын

    7:15 "so special" love that uncomfortable smile by hank, very good.

  • @NotTouchable
    @NotTouchable5 жыл бұрын

    Hank’s reactions to these theories are so relatable! I love Philosophy and how it can make you question everything you ever thought was true

  • @legna20v
    @legna20v7 жыл бұрын

    hank: " why is always in the rug ? " Cat : " So you know your place, human "

  • @tilinapple
    @tilinapple6 жыл бұрын

    For all the philosophy crashcourse videos, I just really, really like the part when he says something and then it transitions into the theme music it's so beautiful

  • @ckrumbach
    @ckrumbach7 жыл бұрын

    I'm watching this complete series and at this point it has already been so useful for my life... Thank you very much guys, your work is fun, comprehensible and totally concrete and useful. Regards from Chile!

  • @vipulsharma532
    @vipulsharma532 Жыл бұрын

    It gave me so much insight and relief from the feeling of being regretful about past actions while I was in school. I'm no more the same person, so that regret is now off-hook. Thanks

  • @zeromailss
    @zeromailss7 жыл бұрын

    reading the title me thought : " Get ready for some identity crisis soon"

  • @zeromailss

    @zeromailss

    7 жыл бұрын

    I guess im not exactly right this time,nice ending Hank

  • @Doomroar

    @Doomroar

    7 жыл бұрын

    Baby you died, and it i will never be again! this will hit you harder when you become 40, wait for it...

  • @Ngamotu83
    @Ngamotu837 жыл бұрын

    This has to be by far, my favourite episode of Crash Course Philosophy.

  • @timothy9958
    @timothy99587 жыл бұрын

    what? the footage of old people drinking wine?! who would have thought that footage was going to make it into ANOTHER crash course episode...

  • @timothy9958

    @timothy9958

    7 жыл бұрын

    it's stock footage and I think it was used like 5 times in crash course economics, twice in crash course polotics, and even in one of wheezy waiter's personal videos. I've seen that clip more than any man should have to... these numbers aren't exact.

  • @Jooonathan

    @Jooonathan

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Tim Holmes You saw this for the first time and they've used it for the first time, pay attention!

  • @TheWolfgangGrimmer

    @TheWolfgangGrimmer

    7 жыл бұрын

    We get so used to it that it ends up coming across as cheap and distracting.

  • @justinnink2396

    @justinnink2396

    7 жыл бұрын

    Just think of it like the Wilhelm scream of Crash Course!

  • @libbybrennaman4344

    @libbybrennaman4344

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@timothy9958 but they're so happy!

  • @luciosportelli3333
    @luciosportelli33337 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Hank for describing the teleportation problem. Been thinking about it for years, and losing my mind because of it. I didn't know someone had already thought about it.

  • @elephantricity
    @elephantricity7 жыл бұрын

    My favorite crash course philosophy so far. Especially has tons of meaning to my life.

  • @toreinimene1071
    @toreinimene10717 жыл бұрын

    Hank Green does it again. Great episode. I hope the next CC course you teach will be as great as all the stuff you have done before.

  • @The6thMessenger
    @The6thMessenger7 жыл бұрын

    I do remember a news far ago about how one man decided to live in the wilds alone, he didn't need to have an identity. That may be an extreme case, but what if identity is not only your memories or you, but within the group of others as they perceive you? Anyways, that's my thought, i have not watched the video completely.

  • @NewMessage
    @NewMessage7 жыл бұрын

    I asked myself about all this yesterday, and we're pretty much of two minds on it.

  • @greenmushroom4258
    @greenmushroom42587 жыл бұрын

    This channel never ceases to amaze me. Great job once again guys!! Thanks!

  • @nickherrera4442
    @nickherrera44427 жыл бұрын

    I'm loving these philosophy videos! watched them all and I feel smarter

  • @DSG0805
    @DSG08057 жыл бұрын

    R.I.P. Derek Parfit. Died January 1, 2017

  • @abelphilosophy4835

    @abelphilosophy4835

    4 жыл бұрын

    Deryk Goodrich I don’t think he was a Christian, therefore he cannot be resting in peace. Only in God’s Presence there’s peace my friend

  • @Rantttt87
    @Rantttt877 жыл бұрын

    "The various roles I hold..." *Burrito falls into the box*

  • @caroline-jaynepanico9361
    @caroline-jaynepanico93617 жыл бұрын

    I love your channel and these films have really helped me get a handle on Identity and the concept of the self. The reason I came here is because I was advised by my Uni tutor to do so relating to my dissertation which is loosely proposed to be Images of Alterity in contemporary art and illustration. My tutor advised me to go further and look at the 'other' I had to write about identity and the self. Alterity is tricky and I would love to watch a video you produced on the subject because I'm sure thinking about it will be so much more clear with your amazing treatment of the subject as has been the case previously! please please consider doing a video on Alterity. Thank you for these great videos :D

  • @johannahill6308
    @johannahill63087 жыл бұрын

    this was the most uplifting episode of crash course, in my opinion.

  • @tommyrosendahl7238
    @tommyrosendahl72387 жыл бұрын

    please make Crash Course Geography

  • @tootpaste427

    @tootpaste427

    7 жыл бұрын

    we could have thought bubbles of hank attemtping to survive natural disasters

  • @lukeweidner9110

    @lukeweidner9110

    7 жыл бұрын

    GeographyNow might be worth checking out.

  • @csscszcsgv

    @csscszcsgv

    7 жыл бұрын

    It already exists. It is called Geography Now

  • @ltpopstar

    @ltpopstar

    7 жыл бұрын

    Geography Now is truly great, but I think it has a slightly different focus on geography than Crash Course would have. Geography Now focuses on individual countries, which is more like political geography only (even though they speak about physical geography, they just mention it, not explain it). I suppose Crash Course could focus on explaining broader ideas of geography like earth science, human geography etc.

  • @TheRachaelLefler

    @TheRachaelLefler

    7 жыл бұрын

    I loved my cultural geography class. They should do one in either cultural geography or anthropology and sociology.

  • @Sirholyphoenix
    @Sirholyphoenix7 жыл бұрын

    This makes Grey cry at night before going to sleep.

  • @PepsiandLemonade
    @PepsiandLemonade7 жыл бұрын

    This and astronomy are by far my favorite crash courses! so good!

  • @monikanowotny1766
    @monikanowotny17667 жыл бұрын

    make crash course philosophy never stop!!! great video

  • @ahorrell
    @ahorrell7 жыл бұрын

    I'm really surprised this video didn't mention Buddhism or any buddhist scholars. That religion has been exploring the idea of the absence of a lasting coherent self for 2500 years. And Crash Course Philosophy CLEARLY has no issue going into religion

  • @RitchieChavez
    @RitchieChavez7 жыл бұрын

    No mention of the Buddha? He held these views on the self, or no-self, over a thousand years before Hume could even formulate a coherent thought.

  • @tonbonthemon

    @tonbonthemon

    7 жыл бұрын

    The Buddha wasn't a philosopher; he didn't say that there is no self, he said that all things are impermanent therefore we should let go of "self", because that which is impermanent and bound with suffering isn't fit to be called me/mine/myself. I'd also be gratified to see the Buddha mentioned here, but I don't think he'd fit.

  • @bambi3845

    @bambi3845

    7 жыл бұрын

    But was it before Hume could formulate a coherent thought? At least some of the atoms and subatomic particles that made up the cells that made up his body were part of cells that made up the bodies of people who could coherently think long before Buddha. So why were those people not Hume? Is it only Hume when those atoms are all combined together? If that is the case then Hume only existed for a second, as the atoms that his body was comprised of were constantly being lost and replaced. Did Hume ever truly exist, or just an illusion of an existence that we call Hume? And yes, this was all a long-winded joke. But what is a joke, really? If it was a joke before, is it one now? Is it all a matter of how it is perceived and ergo is different things to different people, how far does the authors intention define its meaning?

  • @patrickmonroe8168

    @patrickmonroe8168

    7 жыл бұрын

    Western philosophical canon has a strange relationship with Eastern philosophical thought; philosophers like Hegel disregarded them entirely, for instance. Many lump Buddhist and Hindu ideas into the realm of religious studies. Still, religion itself is founded on metaphysics, and you don't have to buy in to a religion to study and appreciate the metaphysical concepts it contains. Jiva, atman, samsara, pratitya samatpuda and numerous other concepts are fascinating and all found in Eastern philosophies. So, all that to say: I agree with you. I'm really hoping this course takes us deeper into Eastern philosophy at some point. We had a reference to Zhuangzi in the episode on death, which is a start, but there's so much more to tap into.

  • @patrickmonroe8168

    @patrickmonroe8168

    7 жыл бұрын

    +tonbonthemon I think the line between what does and doesn't constitute a philosopher is a bit murky here. The Buddha presented a response to the Hindu ideas of the time; would you consider those ideas to not be philosophical? Regardless of whether you consider the Buddha himself a philosopher, you can absolutely consider the metaphysical principles he espoused as well as the ones he was responding to. Either way, discussion of Buddhism is definitely germane to this topic.

  • @tonbonthemon

    @tonbonthemon

    7 жыл бұрын

    Patrick Monroe I guess it's a matter of how you define philosophy. Personally, I think it's just a way of fabricating/holding viewpoints about the world or our place in it. The Buddha didn't just reject notions of self or create notions of no-self for the sake of having ideas, he saw the connection between identity-view(s) and suffering and therefore abandoned it, and instructed us to do the same.

  • @cadeblush1085
    @cadeblush10857 жыл бұрын

    I love the commentary on marriage vows being continuous. That makes a lot of sense, and it gives me hope.

  • @vanman118
    @vanman1186 жыл бұрын

    These videos really helped me pass my phil class this semester, thanks alot!

  • @kohga1374
    @kohga13744 жыл бұрын

    “Why is it always on the rug” at 8:30 got me good lmao

  • @shaneharrington3655
    @shaneharrington36557 жыл бұрын

    Try to say "Crash Course Philosophy" fast 20 times. I just eventually get "Hardcore coffee".

  • @Luboman411
    @Luboman411 Жыл бұрын

    What a great substratum for a novel about memories and identity. I love this metaphor of the chain mail that disappears as psychological connections attenuate and go away, with the chain mail extending itself as new psychological connections are made. It's just such an evocative image. Hmmmm...

  • @cuppiesaur
    @cuppiesaur7 жыл бұрын

    Crash Course Philosophy and Psychology should never have an ending. I love those SO MUCH ❤

  • @jayjasespud
    @jayjasespud7 жыл бұрын

    Everyone always talks about Star Trek when teleporters come up but no one mentions The Prestige!

  • @DocEonChannel

    @DocEonChannel

    7 жыл бұрын

    Because no one saw it?

  • @ReallyAnnoyingThing1

    @ReallyAnnoyingThing1

    7 жыл бұрын

    YESSSS!

  • @deliciousdishes4531

    @deliciousdishes4531

    7 жыл бұрын

    but The Prestige has nothing to do with teleporters, it's more the second theory presented (that of a copy).

  • @FriendlyCobblestone

    @FriendlyCobblestone

    7 жыл бұрын

    that's because you'd potentially spoil the movie

  • @Edgewalker001

    @Edgewalker001

    7 жыл бұрын

    Screw teleporters, in the Culture universe by Iain M Banks, people send entire copied mind states all over the place to deliver messages or be in multiple places at once (Through the use of androids and/or clones) and the only thing most people worry about is that those other copies actually believe they are you... =p Note that this is the same universe that frowns on making too detailed computer simulations of people because they might conceivably be counted as new life forms.

  • @Treviisolion
    @Treviisolion4 жыл бұрын

    You know I’m imagining how this argument would hold up in court. “You see your honor, I didn’t kill this man. He was killed by the person who went under this identity yesterday. I’m a completely different person.”

  • @evilcam
    @evilcam7 жыл бұрын

    Another great episode. I have always found the notion of an epistemic justification for identity applied for the purposes of forming an ontology of identification super interesting, though also frequently confusing. A.N. Whitehead once said: "The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato". There is some definite merit to that, but I think you can take the same idea and push it back even farther. To a debate between noted ancient philosophers, though primarily their students, much of which we have lost to time. Plato wrote about a lot of things, but I think his primary goal was to build on the philosophy of Parmenides and Heraclitus, because I think they were the first real fundamental philosophers that put their thoughts down in a way Plato could really work with. Their debate, which was actually a debate between their followers after both had died, was one of history's first great theoretical dichotomies, and I think that same debate applies to this episode. It seems to once again be the same debate repeating itself, just with a focus on different details or nuances. Parmenides, at least per Plato's description of him, seemed to prefer the notion that all the universe is really just one thing, through some means he did not explain very well, echoing through its single, solitary existence in a way which makes it seem as though it is not all one thing. Our brains trick us into separating the world into different categories, but we have no good logical reason to do so. All is one, our senses are untrustworthy, and we can only trust reason to show us the truth (you can see how this influenced Plato via the Socratic Dialogues, because Socrates is usually echoing a similar sentiment, at least as applied to virtue and morality). Heraclitus, on the other hand, seemed to advocate that the only thing that really exists in the Universe is change. That the stuff we are made of exists, but it is only really doing anything when energy is being put into it so it changes. That while we say and think this wooden chair exists, it was actually the changes in matter that caused it to become a seed, then a tree, and now to have been cut down and reshapped into a chair. That the only thing that was really different about the seed and tree and chair is how much they changed, in comparison to one another, so the only thing we can logically and consistently argue is everything is different, because change is the one fundamental thing int he Universe that keeps it going. Since he thought this process was always happening basically everywhere all the time, he seemed to think that it was the only real important aspect of nature, and that then since all nature supervenes on another part to bring about this constant change, it was the only real fundamental thing about nature, and ethics, that matters. For example, he said "No man can walk into the same river twice", which we think means that since the water in the river is in a different place, its character is also now different, so by virtue of that undeniable change, it changes the identity of the river because it is not in exactly the same state as it was, in a number of different categories. Taken to their logical conclusions, both models end up being basically the exact opposite of one another. Parmenides says all is one, nothing changes, and senses are an illusion. Heraclitus says all is change, nothing is really deeply connected to anything else aside from their tendency to change, and so nothing this second is exactly the same as it was the previous second. Plato seemed to prefer Parmenides' take on it, but incorporated aspects of Heraclitus as to how the modality of the pure form of something can change as it is applied to the real, physical world and make it less "pure' from the source, or one true reality. Hank is still talking about that same argument; just with different names and details. The constant change thing is an obvious connection, but there are a number of other ones that are not quite as obvious, that still make it the same sort of argument. In the case of the H v P applied to this video, a person using a Star Trek style teleportation device would in a Parmenidian sense still be the same person, as if all things are one, it is just another reflection of that same thing, just at a different physical place and time. The different place and time are also the same thing, just our sense confusing us as to where it is. A Heracletian reading would tell us that the original person is gone, and that the new one is a copy. So it's funny to me, to see that Whitehead was probably right, but that Plato himself was sort of writing footnotes on Parmenides and Heraclitus. So we see the same sort of debate again and again, but with some minor details changed to make it relevant and worth thinking about to the ever expanding generations of people who also are trying to figure all this out. Not that I am complaining about the repetition. I love this debate. I love that historical connection, and most of all I love just thinking about it anyway. I personally fall on the Heracletian side of this debate, so technically I don't even think it is the same exact debate, because you can't step foot into the same river twice. So I don't know if I will ever get tired of it. Also, that doesn't even get into the other schools of thought regarding this, outside of the Western Philosophical tradition. Though, Dr Micheal Sugree makes a compelling argument that Parmenides is pretty close to those Eastern Mystics already. That though we lost 99% of his written works, that we can piece enough together through later people like Plato talking about him, and it sounds quite a bit like what some Hindu, Taoist, Buddhist, Jainist and Confucian ancients also wrote about. All things being one was a pretty common take on the Universe in the East, especially with the Mystics. However, even if the ideas are similar, it still doesn't really get into what the actual Eastern Thinkers thought about it, and it is a whole other can of worms.

  • @sdo917
    @sdo9177 жыл бұрын

    Always brilliant - Thanks Hank

  • @shuujixoxarisu
    @shuujixoxarisu7 жыл бұрын

    There should be an episode on "Why is it always on the rug?" :)

  • @michellem7290
    @michellem72905 жыл бұрын

    HAH "Why is it always on the rug?"... I have that problem with my cat, too

  • @Luboman411
    @Luboman411 Жыл бұрын

    Now I understand why David Hume was such an important philosopher. He came up with so many interesting ideas in so many aspects of philosophy!

  • @hendimeher1929
    @hendimeher19297 жыл бұрын

    i've been studying for 12 years , and i've never seen a teacher this good !!!

  • @mikejohnstonbob935
    @mikejohnstonbob9357 жыл бұрын

    "Billions of babies die every day" -Parfit

  • @lambusaab
    @lambusaab7 жыл бұрын

    I am definitely not the same person I was before I started watching Crash Course: Philosophy.

  • @adarkerstormishere
    @adarkerstormishere7 жыл бұрын

    Hi, CrashCourse. Just wanted to say you're the awesomest. Keep being great!

  • @abbeytpwk
    @abbeytpwk7 жыл бұрын

    oh my god this is the most interesting video ive ever seen and im so glad it exists bc it solves so much?? i love these theories this is crazy

  • @Morec0
    @Morec07 жыл бұрын

    Here's the thing about the changing self: like evolution, the changes are so gradual and so nuanced that, to the people moving alongside you that are able to observe them, they might as well not be happening at all. As people grow and are influenced by other things so too do they influence others around them, subconsciously forcing them to change with the party in question. If you, say, have a friend in Kindergarten, but then are separated until your late thirties when you meet up again you very likely WILL not recognize each other because of who you were then. However, for the vast majority of people's interactions with one another are more regular and more personal, meaning that your friends will very rarely see a different you. The mistake I'm seeing here is the assumption that consciousness is a set thing. It's not. Self isn't like a rock, it's more like water; fluid, flowing, more susecptable to change and often in minute ways that you'll never realize.

  • @konata360

    @konata360

    7 жыл бұрын

    I agree with this a lot. It happens when you come home from college and hang out with high school friends. They point out things about you that have changed in the six or so months you haven' seen them, but you didn't notice them. This has been one of my favorite episodes so far.

  • @galaxygamerbroficial
    @galaxygamerbroficial7 жыл бұрын

    Welcome to the CC philosophy drinking game! Take a shot everytime you hear "you"

  • @ToastedMarshmallow13
    @ToastedMarshmallow136 жыл бұрын

    Got recommended to watch this for my university philosophy course and i am super happy!

  • @dougharrison7844
    @dougharrison78447 жыл бұрын

    Having had three kids my observations have confirmed for me at least what I have long thought, personality and temperament are there at brith and remain with you for life. Your entire physical substance might change over the course of your life, along with preferances, opinions and even morals and ethics, but there is no escaping what is fundamentally you.

  • @danilevi9251
    @danilevi92517 жыл бұрын

    "You" is the energy that changes you, that keeps you growing and evolving in your own particular way, your journey, the same way "You" to a plant is the energy that grows the seed into a big plant.

  • @LilLibben
    @LilLibben7 жыл бұрын

    I both love and hate philosophy for the same reasons. It just drives me crazy :')

  • @moonlightray8493
    @moonlightray84936 жыл бұрын

    If you want to see what could potentially happen when someone completely loses their personal identity (their name, memories, and concept of self) and how that could possibly damage/change their humanity, I'd strongly recommend the series Monster. Urasawa Naoki's Monster is a masterful exploration of this concept.

  • @ChrispyNut
    @ChrispyNut7 жыл бұрын

    Yes, yes, yes. I've been saying this stuff for a few years. We're changing all the time, but you've broadened my understanding of my beliefs, so TY :) x

  • @RiotGearEpsilon
    @RiotGearEpsilon7 жыл бұрын

    Ah yeah, now we're getting to the real good stuff

  • @benaaronmusic

    @benaaronmusic

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I agree. This is awesome.

  • @Anonarchist
    @Anonarchist7 жыл бұрын

    Next time we discus what it means to be a person. Careful, Hank might he a synth.

  • @TheRachaelLefler

    @TheRachaelLefler

    7 жыл бұрын

    I prefer to identify as a replicant.

  • @Anonarchist

    @Anonarchist

    7 жыл бұрын

    Don't tell Bethesda, but it's the same damn thing.

  • @Anonarchist

    @Anonarchist

    7 жыл бұрын

    ha, tropes.Rachael Lefler

  • @iamj406
    @iamj4066 жыл бұрын

    excellent stuff! Bravo, Hank!

  • @insertname8560
    @insertname85607 жыл бұрын

    This is my favourite crash course subject

  • @6538h
    @6538h7 жыл бұрын

    5:55-6:00 *'Parfits' of me survive

  • @6538h

    @6538h

    7 жыл бұрын

    I am so sorry

  • @Gothicscull234Gmail

    @Gothicscull234Gmail

    7 жыл бұрын

    Liekt

  • @durhay

    @durhay

    7 жыл бұрын

    Kant believe you did that

  • @6538h

    @6538h

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Gothicscull234Gmail what did you call me?

  • @Gothicscull234Gmail

    @Gothicscull234Gmail

    7 жыл бұрын

    +I know what I am But what are you Wait, are you Cory-sama?!?! NA-NANI!?!? KUSO! KANCHIGAI SURU NA!!

  • @tanyay1073
    @tanyay10737 жыл бұрын

    Anyone else just watches these videos for fun? 😅

  • @yukari_katsuragi

    @yukari_katsuragi

    7 жыл бұрын

    why would anybody watch crash course philosophy except for fun? this order of study works for just-for-fun videos on youtube, but it definitely does not correspond with the curriculum of any sanely-developed classroom philosophy course.

  • @tanyay1073

    @tanyay1073

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Elizabeth Williams okay, well, I wouldn't know because I don't take philosophy for a subject.

  • @luciaozaniakova956

    @luciaozaniakova956

    5 жыл бұрын

    actually I’ve I started watching this course because I wanted to improve my knowledge of medieval philosophy (since our teacher can’t teach philosophy well) but Hank makes it so enjoyable I can’t really stop

  • @forshizzlemywizzle
    @forshizzlemywizzle7 жыл бұрын

    Super liberating. I'm so on board 👍

  • @flamechick6
    @flamechick67 жыл бұрын

    It's all in our heads dear Watson

  • @WriteUnread
    @WriteUnread7 жыл бұрын

    Doesn't the birth-you continue to exist in basic physiological needs--desire for food and love, reacting negatively to pain, etc.?

  • @francissteitz1310

    @francissteitz1310

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Ellis Panetta That's evolutionary... every creature experiences instinctual needs to ensure the proliferation of the species. This is more towards the "Who am I and what is my purpose" type of argument.

  • @WriteUnread

    @WriteUnread

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Francis “PsykoGhost” Steitz I'd argue that being human, having human needs, is part of your personal identity. I don't think you can consider personal identity as something separate from us as animals.

  • @francissteitz1310

    @francissteitz1310

    7 жыл бұрын

    But what's the difference between humans needing food and say, a dog needing food? There really isn't one. From a squid to a polar bear to a peacock... They experience all that we experience due to the hardwiring of survival in each of them. Sure, as humans, we have a higher emotional understanding of certain needs and instincts but to say the rudimentary emotions of animals are different than ours due to us as higher thinking animals gives us too much credit as a species.

  • @WriteUnread

    @WriteUnread

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Francis “PsykoGhost” Steitz Exactly! The instincts we share with other animals are as much part of our identity as our memories, desires, emotions. We wouldn't be ourselves without them.

  • @francissteitz1310

    @francissteitz1310

    7 жыл бұрын

    I suppose I can see what you're talking about, but I can't agree with it being a part of our identity, especially when we can't even prove we exist, if we talk about instincts from a purely philosophical viewpoint. But then that opens a whole other can of worms. Hell, we could open a bait shop after that...

  • @qqueuenstein5616
    @qqueuenstein56167 жыл бұрын

    A tree changes; a tree is still a tree.

  • @tom70077

    @tom70077

    7 жыл бұрын

    But is it the same tree?

  • @Jey096

    @Jey096

    7 жыл бұрын

    nah that's a silly compharing... It would be more accurate to comphare the argument about personal identities to Archimedis ship, if you slowly replace every single part of a ship one after another, is it still the same ship?

  • @logical-functionsmodel9364

    @logical-functionsmodel9364

    7 жыл бұрын

    And a human is still a human after it changes

  • @logical-functionsmodel9364

    @logical-functionsmodel9364

    7 жыл бұрын

    I must distinguish between the 2 versions of what somebody is, (bear with me.) The subjective definition of who somebody is, affects many. This is the "me" that everybody interacts with. This subjective "me" operates at the level of "the imaginative" as described by Jacques Lacan. When people talk about their character, their personality, and the qualities that make them them, they are talking, (generally) about this subjective version of themselves. Obviously, the next part is discussing the objective definition of what somebody is. This is what somebody is at the moment, from moment to moment. Every time something, anything, changes then the person changes as well. Therefore, objectively everybody is in constant flux as time "progresses", but we do not interact with other, (nor our world,) in an objective way. This is my answer to "The Ship of Theseus Paradox".

  • @user-ju7ze9to4k

    @user-ju7ze9to4k

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's A tree, but never the same tree, unless your brain chooses to define it as such.

  • @MikeMigasProduction
    @MikeMigasProduction7 жыл бұрын

    love the philosophy course, thanks!

  • @MsDafiM
    @MsDafiM7 жыл бұрын

    I love this episode so much.

  • @neci8993
    @neci89937 жыл бұрын

    I just gave up on philosophy.

  • @stardreamer8996

    @stardreamer8996

    7 жыл бұрын

    Whys?

  • @AbbeyRoadkill1

    @AbbeyRoadkill1

    6 жыл бұрын

    To not care about philosophy is to be a true philosopher.

  • @ScarHydreigon87
    @ScarHydreigon877 жыл бұрын

    Don't judge someone for their past because they're not in the past anymore. Instead judge them for what they are now because they are in the present. I used to be a big transphobic online bully, but now I'm a kind, open, and rational person because I made changes to myself and became a different person

  • @stargirl7769

    @stargirl7769

    7 жыл бұрын

    ScarHydreigon87 same. i used to be really conservative, homophobic/transphobic and really bitchy in general 😂. i'm glad i've changed

  • @superduperfreakyDj

    @superduperfreakyDj

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yeah that's a really good excuse to use in court when your on trial for murder :D

  • @nunciosidereo4070

    @nunciosidereo4070

    6 жыл бұрын

    justy say you are sorry I think that ll leave that bully person in the past.

  • @meakimon
    @meakimon7 жыл бұрын

    The intro music in this is so calm and nice~. Wish there was a longer version.

  • @Skillsman076
    @Skillsman0767 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much, this has been very helpful.

  • @gabyfenwick3104
    @gabyfenwick31047 жыл бұрын

    I really prefer the idea that I have no real identity, because it means I have no obligation to be the same person and act the same from day to day.

  • @jpz719

    @jpz719

    7 жыл бұрын

    Try arguing that in a courtroom and you'll quickly find yourself on the way to an asylum. Life and society only work when people have obligations and responsibility.

  • @gabyfenwick3104

    @gabyfenwick3104

    7 жыл бұрын

    +jpz719 I get that, I just mean that I don't need to act the same way or wear the same things. Personality is fluid, and I understand that legal contracts and such are not.

  • @jpz719

    @jpz719

    7 жыл бұрын

    KindaLikeGaby Personality is atleast partially fluid, of course but many parts aren't. If someone you knew was suddenly a different person tomarrow you'd call them nuts.

  • @ImNotPotus
    @ImNotPotus7 жыл бұрын

    I am Hillary Clinton and I approve this concept!

  • @ImNotPotus

    @ImNotPotus

    7 жыл бұрын

    Ditto for me, Bill Clinton

  • @ImNotPotus

    @ImNotPotus

    7 жыл бұрын

    I am Donald Trump and this is a Hewwwwwgily flawed concept. Why would Donald Trump not always want to be Donald Trump. I am the best me there is, the is no other me better at being me than me! Me being me is the best thing about me in my BESTSELLING BOOK The Art of the Deal.

  • @TheStahleyParable

    @TheStahleyParable

    7 жыл бұрын

    +ImNotPotus Are you lonely?

  • @ImNotPotus

    @ImNotPotus

    7 жыл бұрын

    Not according to the video, I have plenty of me to go around. I am just curious why my version of me has to be the one to vote in Nov. I am hoping the new me comes along before then so I don't the suffer the burden of Atlas come that day. Also Bill told me he is upset that he is trailing Hillary in the polls.

  • @isben6405

    @isben6405

    7 жыл бұрын

    no your a golf ball with a face on it you imposter

  • @marc1610
    @marc16107 жыл бұрын

    This guy is awesome. Always helpful

  • @focus1649
    @focus16494 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing your way of thinking.

  • @ljfleming9655
    @ljfleming96557 жыл бұрын

    This may appear to be a comment, an organized bunch of words inside an internet space. But it's not. It's a gender.

  • @PeterBarnes2

    @PeterBarnes2

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's not a gender unless people identify as it.

  • @Gothicscull234Gmail

    @Gothicscull234Gmail

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Peter LeRoy "Apl 527097" Barnes ...I volunteer to identify as it. for science!

  • @PeterBarnes2

    @PeterBarnes2

    7 жыл бұрын

    Gothicscull234Gmail How does it feel to be a "This may appear to be a comment, an organized bunch of words inside an internet space. But it's not. It's a gender."?

  • @Gothicscull234Gmail

    @Gothicscull234Gmail

    7 жыл бұрын

    I translated myself into data and now I live in the confines of coding the internet. I tend to stay on tumblr since getting triggered means you actually get shot here, and I stay in the anime because I'm a weeb. no, wait! I'm not weeaboo, a weeb is completely different!!!!! NA-NANAI!!! KACHIGAI SURU NA!!! K-KUSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @PeterBarnes2

    @PeterBarnes2

    7 жыл бұрын

    What does any of this even mean‽

  • @OccupyMax
    @OccupyMax7 жыл бұрын

    I like many of these crash course videos but the philosophy thread is very Euro-centric. Hume's ideas are hardly original: the principle of non-self has been a significant tenant in Buddhist thought for millennia. Our understandings of (non)existence, divinity, the cosmos, and (non)self will be very limited if we constrict our investigation of the human experience to only one cultural expression.

  • @EvansRowan123

    @EvansRowan123

    7 жыл бұрын

    *tenet

  • @shubhraagarwal9250

    @shubhraagarwal9250

    6 жыл бұрын

    very well said!

  • @daneimp
    @daneimp7 жыл бұрын

    definately the best crash course series!!!! :)

  • @MrAdm4486
    @MrAdm44867 жыл бұрын

    Great video, helped me get over the actions of my previous self. Take care.

  • @azz20103
    @azz201037 жыл бұрын

    I identify as a attack helicopter

  • @stardreamer8996

    @stardreamer8996

    7 жыл бұрын

    Name one person or object that you have successfully attacked and I will cater to your delusion.

  • @RQLexi

    @RQLexi

    7 жыл бұрын

    That seems a bit inconvenient, but whatever works for you.

  • @rparl

    @rparl

    7 жыл бұрын

    * an attack helicopter. FTFY

  • @fleurdepapaye9635
    @fleurdepapaye96357 жыл бұрын

    best course ever!

  • @darrellconwell7687
    @darrellconwell76877 жыл бұрын

    This is my all time fav of this series so far. I liked it so much in fact that I currently have it pinned to my twitter account.

  • @logspace5294
    @logspace52947 жыл бұрын

    Something I will never get tired of is crash course philosophy