I have no idea why KZread published this video earlier then it was suppose to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ here it is properly to enjoy!

@TheVideomaker2341

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, thanks for the Re Upload?

@mastermavrick

3 жыл бұрын

oh well, at least this time it came with the thumbnail :D

@bruhz_089

3 жыл бұрын

@@mastermavrick this thumbnail is bad

@mastermavrick

3 жыл бұрын

@@bruhz_089 /shrug better then the blank grey loading screen it was till you trigger then video to watch.

@sionsmedia8249

3 жыл бұрын

It's a good time for use here in Wales :)

I'm a Welshman and visited there 15 years ago. When speaking Welsh in Wales quite often people drop in English words in a Welsh accent but in Patagonia they would drop in a Spanish word in Welsh. Very interesting twang.

@dragonofthewest8305

2 жыл бұрын

That’s deep

@Wonderkid44

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you went there.

@charlotteowen4529

2 жыл бұрын

Am Welsh to and I plan to visit there soon

@aishalotter9995

Жыл бұрын

Mi fyswn wrth fy modd mynd yna fy hyn dw’i yn falch dy fod wedi bod yna , hwyl fawr o ogledd Cymru 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@jackreeves2973

Жыл бұрын

what city/ town was the most welsh? I’ve always wanted to go there

Honestly, that Welsh dragon is too cool not to be put on a flag

@countbinfaceglobalpresiden7926

2 жыл бұрын

@aafiq_ badblood "president"

@ZER0--

2 жыл бұрын

If you think about it, it should be on the union jack. The other three are.

@ZER0--

2 жыл бұрын

The dragon is one thing that China and Wales have in common.

@log.fjord47

2 жыл бұрын

@@countbinfaceglobalpresiden7926 yeah it’s a joke why would the real kim jong un be on KZread

@ZER0--

2 жыл бұрын

@@log.fjord47 Aren't there a dozen or so "doubles" of Kim? Maybe it's on of his doubles, or maybe he, himself !

I am an Argentinian man with Welsh ancestry, born in Trevelin a town on the west part of Chubut. The Welsh language isn't banned these days, there are bilingual schools where they teach you to speak Welsh properly, there's even a big provincial festival called Eisstedfod where people celebrate the Welsh culture 😁

@rhianut

3 жыл бұрын

This is nice to know, as a welshman. We too have our bilingual schools and eisteddfods. Hopefully one day Wales can become free of the UK and gain its independence, should do a lot for the language.

@phyllisbiram5163

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhianut It didn't do much for Irish in Ireland, did it? The Welsh language is already in Welsh hands in Wales. It's up to individuals in Wales to 'do a lot for the language'.

@federicomanuelolveira7658

2 жыл бұрын

¿Hablás galés?

@Cabelgames

2 жыл бұрын

Te mando un saludo desde Neuquén.

@brandonwilliams5423

2 жыл бұрын

Che que onda somos primos? Yo tambien soy de chubut

I’m from Argentina and I used to live in Rawson (Chubut). Fun fact is that people who don’t speak Welsh in Trevelin and Gaiman still feel super proud of the Welsh heritage and legacy.

@aldozilli1293

3 жыл бұрын

I went to visit Trelew, will never forget it, got caught wanking in the hotel room by the cleaner, very embarrassing.

@Kal-qn9rw

2 жыл бұрын

@@aldozilli1293 hahahahahahq

@tinzka

2 жыл бұрын

Funfact: There's a Welsh school. So people from Trevelin and Gaiman can learn that awesome Celtic language

@kobs7863

2 жыл бұрын

Sos de rawson amigo? Pinta vinito? Ahre

@luchito0015

2 жыл бұрын

@@kobs7863 viví unos meses en Rawson, tengo algunos parientes por allá 🥸

as a welsh teenager i remember being in year 7 and got taught about this place. i’m now in year 11 am to this day i haven’t forgotten how weird i thought it was

@TRISTANTHEGAMER

3 жыл бұрын

When I was in 9 my history teacher taught us about it and I was so confused

@SamTheMan12

3 жыл бұрын

Shwmae/Hwylô

@aeblink1332

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamTheMan12 shwmae bore da :))

@joshuacarre06

3 жыл бұрын

I learned about it because of the internet lol

@alexh6767

3 жыл бұрын

You're lucky, I was never taught about this and I'm 25. The only way I found out was when watching Who wants to be a millionaire, I watched a winners episode montage and one dude said "I went to a lot of places, I had Welsh cakes and spoke Welsh in Argentina". I got lost in that moment and had to Google about it because I was so confused why he spoke Welsh in South America. Then I found a wiki page about the Welsh settlement.

The Welsh for the settlement is called 'Y Wladfa' meaning 'The Colony' and I have a cousin in Trelew, who is a teacher at the Welsh School called 'Ysgol y Hendre' She is married to a Patagonian he was brought up in a Welsh speaking household, Spanish is second language, So when he came over to Wales my cousin had to be his translator due to him not speaking word of English!! They have 2 sons and tri-lingual!

@Riolu1209

3 жыл бұрын

That's amazing, you'd be hard pressed to find a Welsh speaker that didn't have some conversational level of English in Wales, let alone not speaking English at all. Welsh is a lovely sounding language, I wish I had more time to study it, but for now I'm stuck with Irish and Tagalog.

@chwilhogyn

3 жыл бұрын

@@Riolu1209 Our national anthem in Welsh with English translation: HEN WLAD FY NHADAU

@larnolarno6800

3 жыл бұрын

@@Riolu1209 That’s because speaking Welsh has almost no tangible value

@Riolu1209

3 жыл бұрын

@@larnolarno6800 I’m a linguist and speak both fluent Spanish and Japanese, and studying Mandarin Chinese, Irish and Tagalog. I STRONGLY disagree with that statement. Languages help enrich the mind and understand deeper cultural values as if it were your own, of course learning a language for its practical applications is rewarding in out of itself, but that is far from the only benefit to language learning

@DdraigGochArg

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dylan, just to let you know, there's no such thing as a "Patagonian", he's Argentinian 😉

Hi! Here an Argentinian with Welsh roots 🙋‍♂️ although I don't speak Welsh, my mother does (she learned) and we still have welsh traditions in our family in Patagonia!

@johnwilson3918

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Daniel - Do you know any of your compatriots in Patagonia have had their DNA test done with Ancestry.com? My ancestors were from North Wales and I would love to see if I have distant cousins in Argentina.

@greenmachine5600

2 жыл бұрын

Learn Welsh and make sure your kids speak Welsh.

@camilatorress181

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnwilson3918 hi! I haven't done my DNA test but i discovered that my ansestors were from the north and maybe de sounth of Wales. I hope some day do the test 😊

@Aron-ru5zk

Жыл бұрын

@@camilatorress181 Hi from Gwynedd🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@Makafushigi

Жыл бұрын

Do you also have intercourse with sheep like your ancestors?

In argentina we call that colony "the land of delicious desserts" xD

@cristobalelgueta5836

3 жыл бұрын

Aguante racing

@lucasmachain

3 жыл бұрын

@@cristobalelgueta5836 eso venía a decir tmb!

@cardsharper1909

3 жыл бұрын

Vamo racingg

@Darium147

3 жыл бұрын

que independiente ni que racing

@puertoricanboy100

2 жыл бұрын

En verdad hablan Welsh en esa parte de Argentina???

The fact that England started boycotting Welsh is ironic, considering that practically all of England was roofed in Welsh slate by 1900.

@thomasellis445

3 жыл бұрын

And all of what is now England was once Welsh land..

@yodorob

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that Prince of Wales is the formal title of Prince Charles, the Queen's eldest son!

@kerigriffiths8780

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasellis445 also.. there's a river dee in "Aberdeen"..look into it Thomas "yr hen ogledd" There's a tale of the Welsh chasing Saxons back to Lindisfarne if I remember correctly, as it is said the Saxons did to the Danes.

@kerigriffiths8780

Жыл бұрын

@World Citizen" Sassenach "and" saesneg" the Gaelic and cymraeg words for arsehole are also remarkably similar..lol. Ystrad clud...I was unaware of this..thank you.

@goattm2

Жыл бұрын

@@kerigriffiths8780 Sassenach and Saesneg are words for Saxon / English. Twll din is arsehole in Welsh.

Looks like wherever we go we Welsh can’t get a break. Cymru Am Byth!

@poriccrompton

3 жыл бұрын

I mean we did help to make the biggest empire in history and invaded tonnes of countries so it’s kinda even

@oojenkinsoo5303

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t

@ereynolds72

3 жыл бұрын

@@poriccrompton help? Oh sure, its not like Wales wasn't a vassle at the time of the Union's formation. It wasn't like the Welsh culture heritage history and peoples weren't targetted by law and culture by the British hands. Yes, Wales played a part, but lets not forget we are victim too at the hands of the British empire.

@badger738

3 жыл бұрын

@@ereynolds72 I think who you were would have depended on your perspective. Have you heard of Sir Henry Morgan? you must understand many cultures and peoples were at war with each other all throughout history. People have become too used to life after the 20th century.

@eddybrek5298

3 жыл бұрын

@@ereynolds72 the tudors lol

Reposting this since it got deleted along with the video: Hey there! I'm from the very same town of Rawson you mentioned, and for one I wanted to clarify: the name comes from Guillermo Rawson, the at the time Minister of the Interior of the country, who helped the welsh who were settling with management, provisions and other legal matters. I can also say the heritage is still strong, though very, *very,* few people speak the language today, I personally haven't heard a single person speaking the language in my lifetime. Anyways, we still have a celebration each year commemorating the founding of the town, where aside from official proceedings, families come together in the afternoons for tea bara brith and other traditional delicacies. As a side note, the Welsh side of my family came to Chubut in 1886, just 20 years after the original settlers. I was happy to see you shed some light on this tiny pocket of demographic weirdness I happened to be born in!

@d.williams3980

3 жыл бұрын

Helo! I think Rawson doesn’t have the influence Madryn, Trelew, Trevelin and Gaiman has, but there are still Welsh families around the area and a lot of buildings and history. I have always been related to welsh culture, since families are very conservative (and even tho I’m still a mix of nationalities, we are very proud of our heritage) I think you don’t hear the language because you aren’t into it. If you grow up as a normal Argentine you will never learn much about Welsh culture or hear the language even if you are partly welsh. You hear the language when you visit family and learn with them, when you study in a Welsh school, when you go to the Chubut Eisteddfod, when you have other welsh neighbors and friends, when you go to church or welsh choirs, when you go to San David or Madryn and other welsh associations and participate in the activities and lessons, when you are part of the welsh dance clubs, when you celebrate the important days like Dia del Desembarco Gŵyl y Glaniad or participate in the Semana Galesa, or even easier, when you learn things that are Patagonian welsh! What I mean is that, Argentina is a multicultural nation and there are also Argentinian families living around the area and people from different places, you should have visited and learnt about welsh culture at school (trips around the welsh settlements and chapels!! learning about the colony is mandatory in schools located inside the province) I live a few mins from you, maybe wanna check Marian Brosschot “Un mes de galés” to learn the language if you are from the colony and search about welsh associations and activities in your town. I think welsh culture is more a conservative thing, Argentinian culture goes apart from welsh culture and even tho we share common argentine culture, our culture es built by our families. Patagonia has many different communities, like the South African that is also located in Chubut, or Germans, Swiss, etc. You share with people you share things in common and welsh culture is for welsh people or people interested that knows about it. It is very popular and important for the province, that’s why many people know that it exists!! And you have free access tho. You probably met someone that is welsh and maybe didn’t notice or tried welsh food and never knew it. You decide if you want to be part of it or not. Follow the welsh associations for special dates and relate with people from the colony. I used to give 0 importance to my welsh heritage, but my mom forced me to relate more to the land I was born in just to encourage me to have a stronger personality (I used to have an identity crisis due to the cultural mix I have myself so I used to like more one culture than the other so yup... Argentinian culture is not that strong, it depends on your family culture even tho the Italians are the top 1 lol) and I met my current boyfriend from there (he speaks welsh) now I made a lot of friends and I haven’t stopped learning new things about my welsh side which has always been the most important and I never appreciated it. Also, welsh culture and slang is everywhere, if you are here is because you know something about it, if you think it is lost it isn’t, you just didn’t pay much attention or cared about welsh stuff but you will always find if you search and you discover the welsh word (yes, it is extremely conservative and I think that is the main reason) Tan tro nesa! :)

@DesertAvenger

3 жыл бұрын

@@d.williams3980 thanks for the info! I'll definitely will research about those associations you mentioned. I was always interested in learning the language to connect with the little bit of ancestry I have.

@tonyjones9442

3 жыл бұрын

hello from Pwllheli, North Wales, Uk. Sut dach chi? How are you?

@kobs7863

3 жыл бұрын

@@DesertAvenger amigo yo soy un rawsense que habla galés jahsjsjs aguante germinal

As a Welsh speaking student who lives in Wales my school had the strange pleasure of seeing a pantomime based of of the story of Patagonia.

I'm from Argentina and last year me and my family visited a town that also speaks welsh. I don't remember much (because I have a terrible memory), but I remember that I saw the welsh flag and I was like "why can't we have such an awesome dragon in our flag like them?"

@x2y3a1j5

Жыл бұрын

But we have, there's the red Welsh dragon in the Argentinian flags, it's not an official flag but the Welsh-descended people's flag. Starting in October 2023 you'll have the opportunity to wave it and display it come the Rugby World Cup in France.

@fernandogarcia-wq1qm

11 күн бұрын

les ganamos!@@x2y3a1j5

The Welsh were also friendly with the local natives of the area, even writing a letter in an attempt to protect them from the Argentinian military.

@juancd2700

2 жыл бұрын

There a also a few natives who learned Welsh in that time. Actually, still in the schools where they teach Welsh you can find native kids learning it.

when I was a child in Port Talbot, Wales in the 60's 70's the Argentinian rugby team used to stay in our town and train on the local beach and also with the local rugby teams at that time.

Chubut citizen here! Here welsh history and heritage is respected and valued by everyone, we got direct welsh descendants as a part of our population and the language is a subject in some schools. I'm glad to find a video on this subject from a foreign person

When talking about the decline of the Welsh language in Wales in the 1800's you seemed to not mention one of the leading and important factors being the Welsh Not. An English enforced policy over the Welsh, lasting from the late 1800's to the 1940's children were humiliated by being forced to wear a wooden block around their necks then were both caned and beaten with other forms of corporal punishment if they were caught speaking Welsh instead of English in places like schools. Our Grandparents and Great Grandparents carried the scars both mentally and physically to the point that they wouldn't teach their children Welsh out of fear of them being beaten as well. Only now decades later is our language recovering from the damage.

@cymraegpunk1420

3 жыл бұрын

He sort of did as he spoke about the report that lead to that policy

@damianbylightning6823

3 жыл бұрын

@@cymraegpunk1420 Local Welsh school boards were responsible for that - something that should not be forgotten. State education was based on control and imposed conformity. Scare stories like Welsh Not hide many ugly truths about state power and the harm done in and through its schools - and the harm it still does and encourages.

@riograndedosulball248

2 жыл бұрын

I get the Südbrasilien German treatment feelings from WW2... German used to be the primary language of our grandparents in a great part of southern Brazil. Then the act of nationalization of 1937 came and prohibited the use of the language even at people's homes. Anyone caught speaking it during the war would get sent to a prisoner camp. When the act was lifted, everyone was so afraid of keeping their culture that barely anyone born after the 1940's was teached German by their families. And even today, if anyone wants to publicly rescue the language and culture... Well you know what happens to everything related to German history on the internet these days. It sucks to have it be like this in Brazil when the German descents in Argentina and Paraguay are so well respected there...

@taffyducks544

2 жыл бұрын

@@damianbylightning6823 Incorrect. The English controlled all the Jobs and instilled it into the Welsh that they can't get out of poverty without speaking English. A poverty created and controlled by the English. They would then sack every Welsh teacher and bring in English only speaking teachers.

@damianbylightning6823

2 жыл бұрын

@@taffyducks544 Seriously? 'They'? A monolithic block that exists in your mind and the minds of those that think like you? Most of the 'they' would have been Welsh people. This is just an example of what one historian described as the great fault of nationalistic history - 'to be a nationalist is to get your history wrong'. Such wrongness produces counter wrong historical narratives. This is the process of cultural national arms race - leading to future hot conflict. Since no one takes any notice of the crackpot version of the Welsh not, the only possible reaction will come from those within Wales - who are not as committed as you to your brave republican cause. You can pretend that Wales was full of people who were puppets, were controlled, had no moral agency and were susceptible to plots. That is your right. However, the reality is that this was a choice people made and it was helped by the process of state education. people chose these things because that's what people do. This was bad and upon that we can, surely agree.

How ironic for Henry VIII to discriminate against Welsh, considering the Tudor house had Welsh roots. If the Welsh had settled on Vancouver Island it would have created an interesting dynamic. The Welsh in the furthest west island and Scottish Gaelic on Cape Breton the furthest (almost) east island. "The Welsh spoken in Wales and the Welsh spoken in Argentina aren't exactly the same." This is also the case for the Gaelic spoken in Cape Breton and that of Scotland. As well it is the case of the French spoken in Quebec and New Brunswick with the French of France.

@teiloturner2760

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't here any differences when I heard it

French speakers are hardly a “small pocket” of Canada as they are a nearly a quarter of the population (23%).

@aiocafea

3 жыл бұрын

also, approx 189 million spanish speakers in NA compared to 317 million is not that much smaller--- i think choosing english as an example of a major language that covers a lot of contiguous land was ok, but he should have cited some statistics instead of writing ENGLISH in large text, FRENCH and SPANISH with smaller text, and making large sweeping statements 'dominant language of north america' 'small pocket [like] french [in Canada]' anyway that's just what i think skrrr

@BonaparteBardithion

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe he was considering languages used in a semi-official capacity such as on signage and products. The US has a sizable number of Spanish speakers, but very little bilingual signage nationwide. I can't really speak for how much bilingual signage there is in Canada, but I suspect it's much more common in Quebec and other predominantly French-speaking areas. That doesn't consider Mexico though in the general statement about North America and either way statistics would have definitely helped back it up.

@aiocafea

3 жыл бұрын

@@BonaparteBardithion yeah, also it feels like north america was the most special of special cases, where pre-existing cultural and language diversity was forcibly diminished or removed-- with natives being killed or relocated, franco-louisiannais being relocated and forced to speak english, immigrants being requireed to learn english, and just in general english forming the basis for a Federal US identity maybe he might find such lingual homogeneity over a large area in australia, but such cases are eexceptions and definitely not the norm

@yodorob

3 жыл бұрын

A true "small pocket" in Canada would be Scots Gaelic on Cape Breton Island and elsewhere in Nova Scotia. I think, in fact, that that Scottish settlement would be quite appropriate for a comparison with Welsh in Chubut, Argentine Patagonia.

@h0ckeyd

2 жыл бұрын

It's one of the main reasons the US broke off from the other British colonies. But there's also a fair bit of English spoken in Africa and Asia.

I'm pretty sure the Welsh decimal counting system was made by Patagonian Welsh businessmen in Argentina for accountancy, and now we use it to count in Wales

Being from Wrexham myself, this place has been on my bucket list for a while now! Really want to get the opportunity to visit here one day!

I recall reading about a wounded Welsh Guards Soldier who was receiving treatment for injuries sustained during the Battle for the Falklands. He was amazed to hear an Argentine Soldier who was in the same Field Hospital, cry out in Welsh due to his Injuries. It's so sad that we fight when often there is more to unite us than divide us.

Hi! Native Patagonian Welsh here, we still speak the language at home (mostly with the elderly), I use to be a tourist guide in a welsh chapel called Chapel Moriah, it was really cool to see most of the places I've been to in this video, thank you!

@Ccccc-mi3tr

3 жыл бұрын

So cool! I hope to visit one day

@johnwilson3918

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Matías, It would make an interesting KZread video if a few of you Patagonian Welsh folk took Ancestry.com DNA tests and went through their results.

@matiasserranohumphreys8118

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnwilson3918 I agree that it would be a great video, but it woud be really un-suprising haha since the 150 original colonist, the local chapels have keept a detailed record of the family tree, in 2015 all the decendent of Hugh John Hughes (an original colonist) got toghether and the family tree was in display, it took the whole wall, we were more than 120 people! Keeping the record alive was really important for the welsh because they lost a lot of it in the 18th century do to English interference

@johnwilson3918

3 жыл бұрын

@@matiasserranohumphreys8118 I noticed one young Welsh reporter went to a local school in Patagonian and one of the children mentioned my mum's Welsh town, Pwllheli. Where any of these original colonists from there?

@lisapinfold506

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a Humphreys on my mother's side (Llangollen). Wonder if I have any relatives in Patagonia. Interesting topic

Have been to Argentina and met the Welsh speaking community, they even have Welsh style houses with slate roofs etc. It is like a little corner of Wales in UK.

@Wonderkid44

2 жыл бұрын

There’s corners of Welsh everywhere in the UK

@goattm2

Жыл бұрын

@@Wonderkid44 Even Scottish cities like Aberdeen and Glasgow are old Welsh names.

@dafyddstarkey4721

Жыл бұрын

@@goattm2 The whole of England and Wales spoke welsh once or brittonic too before the Anglo-Saxons ‘English’ came over

The Welsh found what Argentina proposed to them years later and for that they had to move to the west, there they found those fertile valleys and forests to develop, where they founded "Trevelin"

THAT IS A BADASS FLAG

@cwpc1459

3 жыл бұрын

Fax 😎

That'll show my friends who say Welsh is only in Wales. That'll show em.

I hope the Welsh people in the comments suffered as much from your pronounciation of Welsh words as I did from your pronounciation of Spanish words.

@skittles074

3 жыл бұрын

How to butcher two languages at once - English narrator

@cynzix

2 жыл бұрын

The "pouting sun" thing was funny, tho

@nathan11

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I can’t unhear it 😭

@blackjacktrial

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine if they had dominated Even More South Wales in Australia.

@ruined_carpet9630

2 жыл бұрын

neither native in welsh nor spanish but i’ve been learning both for quite some time now. and i’m suffering as well :D

During the Falklands war, one of the Argentinian navy's admirals was called Hugo Jones.

@Riolu1209

3 жыл бұрын

I read that as “Huge Cojones” in my mind lmfao

I just love when people talk about Argentina. Its a south american nation that has almost nothing to do with every other south american nation. I think misrepresentation has always been something we all argentines can identify with, as we are often portrayed as the stereotypical "latin american" country. Makes me really happy to see big channels spreading the word!

@benugomez

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think we are so different from other countries in the region, in my opinion

@tomasmolinaehrman1526

2 жыл бұрын

@@benugomez somos mejores.

@AlquileringEs

Жыл бұрын

Corrupted and poor as every Latin American country. Even more than others. Open your eyes mate.

@fernandogarcia-wq1qm

11 күн бұрын

somos campeones del mundo!

My family originated from Gaiman Chubut, however my Great great grandfather and his wife who was a Spanish woman from the province of Mendoza moved with their children to Australia in 1915.

@ind-m-178

3 жыл бұрын

Mr. Worldwide

@projectneich4415

2 жыл бұрын

We beat Australia recently 29-19 in rugby 7s olympics but you beat us in football (soccer) 2-0. Although argentina's football squad is made from bad players from the national league as no club wanted to give away their stars and the national A team is resting after winning copa america, but a victory is still a victory. Hope the two of us can beat New Zealand and classify for the next stages in 7s and quality from pool as well in football.

Great video as always. I visit that area often. My father was a primary education teacher in the most isolated areas of Chubut in the early 1960s. He told us many stories about some Welsh children having to learn Spanish from scratch, as well as having to get along with Tehuelche kids who could not be any different in all respects. Fascinating stories and watching your video brought some of them back. Thanks

I remember seeing the photos as a kid from the early settlements! I remember also being told that a lot of welsh settlers from Patagonia came back this way to help during the Aberfan disaster and helped uncover the remains of the school. Nice to know the welsh ban is lifted!

Wales Is a nation just because it’s part of the uk doesn’t mean it’s not a country I’m Welsh not British

@goattm2

Жыл бұрын

If Wales isn't a nation then England definitely isn't considering we existed 1.5 thousand years before they even farted themselves out of Germany.

@phyllisbiram5163

Ай бұрын

@@goattm2 Please, that is not a kind way to refer to the origins of us English. It's a disgrace.

@goattm2

Ай бұрын

@@phyllisbiram5163 Yes, you Saes are a disgrace

I’m from Gaiman but no longer live there. My parents and grandparents used to speak Welsh when they didn’t want us kids to know what they were talking about. Many Welsh speakers there are very proud to be Welsh descendants and just as proud to be Argentine.

If you need someone to help with your welsh pronunciations in future, let me know!

@simonshepherd4615

3 жыл бұрын

Lol he needs some help with his English too but always interesting content, not always 100% accurate, but a lot better than most. The Welsh was a bit cringy but it is probably a very hard language to pronounce if you weren't brought up with it. I know plenty of non-Welsh speaking Welsh people who struggle with pronouncing Welsh.

@PrutteHans

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonshepherd4615 I'd argue that in most cases where you have to speak a language that isn't in your mother language's family, it's gonna be hard.

@goattm2

Жыл бұрын

I just burst out laughing at his pronunciations. Balon Blyth cake was a highlight.

@bigdawg8875

11 ай бұрын

@winter7401 I’m a Welshman from south wales who didn’t go to a Welsh school and I’m trying to learn well. I would love a hand with it lol

There is also a Afrikaans speaking South African Colony in this area of Argentina.

@brokkrep

3 жыл бұрын

So Dutch?

@michciara32

3 жыл бұрын

I hate Afrikaaners

@brokkrep

3 жыл бұрын

@@michciara32 Why

@freealter

3 жыл бұрын

@@brokkrep colonialism probably

@decimusausoniusmagnus5719

3 жыл бұрын

@@michciara32 And I hate you

Beautiful people . I am disgusted that the main Welsh media doesn't include our brothers and sisters in Patagonia .

@x2y3a1j5

Жыл бұрын

But why? Meaning, it can't possibly exist that one person somewhere in Wales taking up an interest in which Peronista sleeps with whom or similar stuff. I'm a rugby fan and whenever Argentina is playing Wales I make sure to rerad the English-language Welsh news websites and I see zero comments from Argie fellas taunting the Welsh or blaming the weather. What you could do up there in Wales, on the other hand, is to encourage both children and adults to engage in WhatsApp & Zoom calls in Welsh with their distant cousins from across the Atlantic. Let the kids talk about music & sports and the adults about cooking recipes and politics - all in Welsh. And, who knows, maybe you could use the living examples of perfect Italian-Spanish Argentinians learning (some) Welsh to encourage your inmigrants to learn (some) Welsh too. Another BIG BIG thing you could do is to have your schools sport teams to travel to Patagonia and challenge their Argie counterparts in exchange for asados and good trekkings. The one thing to be aware of is a really horrible, nasty music style called "cumbia villera" our kids will try (and succeed) to teach your kids - in comparison, rap is Beethoven.

@OwainGlyndwr1927

9 ай бұрын

The Welsh media are owned by the English. Say no more.

Rawson’s not “a typically Welsh name”, it was named after Guillermo Rawson, the Argentine Interior Minister that Michael Jones negotiated with.

@alejandroperalta203

7 ай бұрын

Guillermo rawson es yanqui con descendencia irlandesa?.

@recreatorsdbs4944

5 ай бұрын

​@@alejandroperalta203guillermo rawson era argentino de origen gales leete la historia de el antes de desir cualquier pabada

@alejandroperalta203

5 ай бұрын

@@recreatorsdbs4944 guillermo rawson era etnicamente gales pero creo que sus padres o uno de ellos era yanqui no se... o me habre confundido con otro.

@recreatorsdbs4944

5 ай бұрын

@@alejandroperalta203 si te confundiste

I am Argentinian and have beem there! I went to a teahouse in Trelew and the people there spoke spanish with a thick accent due to the welsh, the menu was in welsh and spanish (welsh being the main language and spanish as a translation), and it definitely did not look like Argentina.

Oh man, I live in Utica. People are so narrow-minded here when it comes to other cultures and countries, even though we have a refugee center. I love the diversity here. I have yet to meet a Welsh-language speaker here, am told some of my ancestors were Welsh. Dw i'n dysgu Cymraeg.

Patagonian Welsh is also responsible for the Welsh decimal numerical system. Traditionally, Welsh uses a vigesimal system but the decimal system is largely used for things other than money and time-telling.

@x2y3a1j5

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, wtf is the "Welsh" decimal (numerical) system? There's only a decimal numerical system and no country or ethnicity can advance any claims of "inventing" it.

As someone who speaks Scottish Gaelic the way he pronounced "ch" hurt. Great video though! It's weird where some languages end up. There's even places in Canada that speak Scottish Gaelic.

@yodorob

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, specifically Cape Breton Island in Nova Scotia. That Gaelic pocket could be compared to Welsh Chubut in many ways!

@fordjosh7474

3 жыл бұрын

@@yodorob Yh Alba Nuadh (Nova Scotia) has quite a few Gàidhlig speakers though there's still not that many sadly

@internetual7350

11 ай бұрын

@@fordjosh7474 I hope to see the number of speakers of our beautiful sister language grow in Scotland *and* Canada! We've already lost Newfoundland Irish so Canadian Gaelic is the only big Goidelic representation we have left in North America!

Well, i'm from rawson born and raised, i'm a fluent welsh speaker because i went to a welsh school and i'm half welsh half german, i love welsh culture and argentine culture together in such a beautiful place ❣️

i live in Buenos Aires and studied this topic when i did a degree in Latin American Studies so it is fascinating.

@mauriciomontiel280

3 жыл бұрын

Argentina is full of many different cultures, people from all over Europe, from the italian majority to eastern europeans, LATAM recieved people from all over the world, not only the spanish and that's amazing

@projectneich4415

2 жыл бұрын

Latin America studies, wtf is that? Lol. Countries in hispanic-speaking america are so different from each other that should not be labeled all together in one term.

@sallyroddy6566

2 жыл бұрын

@@projectneich4415 haha calm down! Of course you are right but they have many things in common! Love and light

I'm loving your new expanded content! Keep it up!

My dad is from Trevelyn and grew up in Trelew (Trevelyn is in the Andes, Trelew close to the sea).

Every time I meet anyone from Chubut, I always ask about The Colony. Really nice people!

Only real fans remember the original thumbnail

@BigMamaDaveX

3 жыл бұрын

I must be a real fab, then! 😉

@imadeyoureadthis9124

3 жыл бұрын

you mean real flags?

For me it is a little bit difficult to understand your accent, but this was very interesting. Greetings from Argentina

@Christian-se5si

3 жыл бұрын

Saludos desde tejas

@interfear1

3 жыл бұрын

Créeme Héctor. Somos dos!

@reboomer8369

3 жыл бұрын

@@Christian-se5si Houston especificamente?

@Christian-se5si

3 жыл бұрын

@@reboomer8369 si! Soy de Houston ✨

i have been so interested in this topic for a while! happy you made a video on it

Awesome video, I am from Wales I've heard about the settlement but always forget to do research about it by the time I get home. Glad you sort of admitted you butchered the pronunciation of those words because wow it was bad 😂. But thanks for the video was really interesting

Now all I can hear in my head is Bryn Terfel singing "Don't Cry For Me Argentina".

@Nadia1989

3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: when Bryn Terfel last visited Buenos Aires, there was a group from the colonies waiting for him once his concert ended, and have a (second) impromptu concert that got caught on video and posted in the classical music Facebook groups.

Croeso i'r wladfa ffrindiau! Patagonia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@theoraclerules5056

3 жыл бұрын

Diolch fa ffrind! 🙏🏼👍

@theWeevill

3 жыл бұрын

Ni idea que decis pero supongo que hablas bien de la Patagonia así que, gracias!

@davidmardones5594

3 жыл бұрын

@@theWeevill puse bienvenidos a la colonia amigos en galés! Desde patagonia 👋🏻

@theWeevill

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidmardones5594 Ahhh, gracias por traducirlo amigo, y si, Argentina siempre va a tener sus brazos abiertos para todos!

This is wonderful: I had no idea. It has totally made my day. I am a Londoner, but I'd love to visit the Welsh Argentine. Sounds much less toxic than EU, UK, USA, Oz or NZ. And now I must go and get on with the day with a spring in my step.

@x2y3a1j5

Жыл бұрын

I've never been to London but I know there's a strong, vibrant Argentinian tango community with many very good "milongas" (dance places) scattered all over London. Once you'll be bitten by the Tango Vampire, you'll gradually develop the urge to go dancing tango to Buenos Aires and then you can use that as the perfect excuse to 'since I'm here already, why not going to Welsh Argentina?". When you'll be done, you'll realize there are so many cities int he whole world where you can dance tango. It could well happen that you'll find yourself dancing in, say, Shanghai, and between two songs tell your amazed dance Welsh partner that he or she could and should dance tango with Welsh Argentinians in Gaimán, for instance.

@fernandogarcia-wq1qm

11 күн бұрын

toma un avion , la patagonia es un paraiso en la tierra, gente buena , sufrida. los galeses no los conozco pero nos llenan de orgullo

I'm afraid we still hear smears against our language. We have had a bit of a linguistic revival though. With traditional Welsh numerals, we count in base 20. An Argentinian of Welsh descent invented a counting system in base 10 for accounting purposes. It's been taught to children in Wales since the 1940s as it's thought to be easier. ,Since the overthrow of the military junta, Welsh medium schools have returned to Patagonia. IMHO, Patagonian Welsh sounds clearer and more mellifluous than European Welsh. Marianne

Thanks for the video, interesting as usual! You used a picture of Circuito Chico, Bariloche (my hometown!) at 1:10 to represent the whole of Argentina. That's very flattering, but as you said it's also inaccurate, as we have a very wide range of climates and topographies. Feel free to make more videos about our country! Cheers

@SidheKnight

6 ай бұрын

He can't put a picture for every biome in our country. I think the one he used is fine.

Ymdrochfa is influenced by the word Balneario? How? Lmfao I'm from Buenos Aires and have been to both Trelew and Gaiman many times. By far Gaiman is the most Welsh town in all of Argentina. Trevelin as well, but Gaiman being a little town draws most of its charm from the tea houses. We actually went there for my mum's birthday and the ladies at the tea house sang her the birthday song in Welsh 😂. The people are really friendly and the history of the place is amazing. The only bad thing is that since it's a really small town, the isn't much to do, still, it's a great place.

I read somewhere that after the welsh settled, some boers from South Africa move there escaping from the british take over. One man told his wife and children that this was a place with plenty of resources and vegetation. They arrived at night and come the morning when the wife saw the desolate wasteland they have moved in she told her husband "I will never forgive you for bringing us here".

@SantiagoGeffen

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Boers settled in Chubut also and formed some settlements along with Welsh people but today they live mainly in Comodoro Rivadavia where there is a memorial about Boer settlers.

@manuelcruz836

3 жыл бұрын

I read about boer settlers near the area of Comodoro Rivadavia, to the south of Trelew (500 km, maybe?). They discovered huge amounts of oil in 1907. Still a quite productive area to this day, and the city has grown to be the largest in the province

I just realized how tiny Wales really is. It's slightly smaller than South East QLD in population and land mass.

Thanks for the reupload!

This week's two videos are connected. The original Apple typefaces had names taken from Philadelphia suburbs. However, those were English names. Nearby, there is a thicket of Welsh names, most notably Bala Cynwyd and Bryn Mawr, the latter home to a famous eponymous college. Perhaps had Susan and Andy used these names, Steve Jobs might have relented. Pennsylvania as a whole is full of Celtic names, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, and even some Cornish. Lots of mines there.

@yodorob

3 жыл бұрын

The portion of the Philadelphia area that includes Bala Cynwyd and Bryn Mawr started off as Welsh settlements, from what I understand.

Iconic Argentine Revolutionary, Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara-Lynch was of Basque and Irish parentage. Apart from the founding Spanish colonial population and mass of contemporary Italian immigrants, there is a thriving community derived from German, Northern Iberian,Anglo-Celtic and Eastern European immigrants (many of whom maintain their European identities and traditions).

Newfoundland used to be Irish speaking which is so weird to think about

@Playfulpat

3 жыл бұрын

They still sound like Irish to me LMAO

@michaelcastellano588

3 жыл бұрын

If you think aobut all the immigration from Ireland during the mid 19th century it starts to make more sense.

@stuartblittley3531

3 жыл бұрын

the newfoundland accent is still influenced by the irish accent

@macaroon_nuggets8008

3 жыл бұрын

New York and the surrounding area spoke Dutch.

@camerowmetcair8458

2 жыл бұрын

I worked with a guy from Newfoundland you could pick up the influence of Irish and Scottish but it was also different kinda unique he also kept going on about fighting a lot

Hola, soy de Buenos Aires y hace dos años fui a Trevelin vacaciones (para ir al parque nacional de los alerces más que por el pueblo en sí). Justo (de pedo) fuimos a tomar una cerveza una noche a un barcito y era el día de San David! El patrono de Gales. Nos dieron una cerveza típica galesa supuestamente y un como... Guiso? No me acuerdo el nombre, pero era una comida típica, estuvo bueno. Había una mesa larga de gente muy rubia reunida y en un punto de la noche de pusieron a cantar en galés, a bailar, a contar historias de sus abuelos y a recitar poemas. No sé qué decir sobre lo que dijo de las consonantes, sonaban muy plosivas jaja. Si no me equivoco, hasta se jactaban de que había más gente hablando galés acá que en la Gales del Reino Unido hoy en día. Fue muy bello y casi que nos justificó haber decidido quedarnos en Trevelin en vez de Esquel jaja. Fuimos también a una casa de té y fue linda la experiencia y abundante. Los scones buenísimos. Muchas casualidades: en el museo sobre los colonos galeses, construido sobre el molino que le dio su nombre al pueblo, me tiró onda un tipo que se me puso a hablar en inglés. Cuestión que era galés! De Gales. Estaba de vacaciones en Sudamérica y no quería perderse esa zona. Él no hablaba galés pero parecía estar de acuerdo que la cultura que se había conservado acá estaba más intacta o petrificada... Allá la cultura fue evolucionando y cambiando con el tiempo y lavándose con la inglesa. O bueno, eso dijo él. Vayan! Es un lugar hermoso

Name explain, "I'm sure you know by now how the UK works" Me - a brit, "The UK . . . Works?"

@danielyeshe

3 жыл бұрын

At this point I think the 'United' part of the name is false advertising!

i am american welsh and dont know much about my own heritage. thanks for helping me learn

While researching my ancestry I found I have welsh relatives in Argentina and Chile. One of my ancestors who was in his 50’s married a 19 year old and had to flee to Argentina with his new wife. He left beyond at least 9 other children from three previous marriages.

It was once said that one could pass through Oneida County, New York and only hear Welsh, but that would have been 200 years ago. There are tons of enclaves like this in the US, and there used to be many more before World War I.

@paulmorgan8254

3 жыл бұрын

yes steelworkers and miners, weren't parts of Pittsburgh a Welsh speaking as well? yes I know it's a German name.

@Perririri

3 жыл бұрын

Patagonia even almost became Israel!

@washingtonradio

2 жыл бұрын

There were Welsh enclaves in the US into the 1920's.

How do Spanish speakers in Y Wladfa pronounce words like "Puerto Madryn"? In Spanish, [d] and [ð] are allophones of /d/, but in Welsh they are distinct phonemes, written and respectively. And the Welsh sound doesn't exist in Spanish.

@d.williams3980

3 жыл бұрын

Porth Madryn is the name in Patagonian Welsh! The pronunciation of D is a mix between d and t (usually learnt as a T or DT) but it sounds like the common Rioplatense Spanish D, you always put your tongue up. It is pronounced as the D in “duck”. I think other speakers and English speakers pronounce D softer with the tongue still. The DD is learnt as a snake sound, a vibrating D and your tongue goes between your teeth. The “Y” in rioplatense is the “e” teens write in the expression nashee but they usually find harder the common e, It is easier for Argentinians because the difference Rioplatense Spanish has with all the other Spanish dialects is that it is the only Oriental Romance Spanish dialect! And that is because it comes from Neapolitan dialect (Italian) so Argentinians speak and pronounce words with their back of their throat, and common letters like b, v, ng, c, ch, q, y, x, z, r, rr are omitted and reduced to a common sound, but appear the difference learnt at school when they learn Welsh language. C, Q and K= c Ch=Ch R=rh RR= r Z = th S =s Ng= ng F= v B=b Y=Si (in the Welsh word siop) and so on...

In Welsh and I've known about it for a while lol its very intriguing

Im from south wales , and 2 years ago our local rugby team played against some argentine welsh. That was fun to watch

@projectneich4415

2 жыл бұрын

Who won? I love rugby

@AJO7153

2 жыл бұрын

@@projectneich4415 sorry my friend, I don’t remember. ☹️

@projectneich4415

2 жыл бұрын

@@AJO7153 it's ok

it's nice to see my country in your videos 😊😊

The pronunciations 🫥😬 Diolch am drio, ond na.

The flag of the welsh colony in Patagonia is not that one, that's actually a misconception made by the argentine government. Welsh people here had a flag with thin dark blue lines at the top and the bottom and a different version of the red dragon, you can google it

Wow fascinating. I did not know any of this!!

If anyone has read A Swiftly Tilting Planet by Madeleine L’Engel, the Welsh colony in Argentina as well as one in New England plays a role.

One small correction, Chubut is pronounced with a regular CH sound, not Sh

@striderwhiston9897

Жыл бұрын

like welsh CH or english CH

@SidheKnight

6 ай бұрын

@@striderwhiston9897 English CH, as in cheese.

🇦🇷🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Heard about this place a few years ago find it really fascinating. Same with Canada and how there's still Gaelic speakers there and from what I've been told more than there is in scotland

@simonshepherd4615

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry to burst your bubble but the are probably about 80,000 people in Scotland that have some Gàidhlig with about 50,000 fluent, the numbers in Canada are around 2 - 5,000, although that is still brilliant. Interestingly the Professor of Gàidhlig at Edinburgh University is a Canadian Gael, and a personal friend 😊

@yodorob

3 жыл бұрын

Cape Breton Island (in Nova Scotia) in particular.

@kris662

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonshepherd4615 not exactly my bubble to burst 😂 just something I heard on the BBC years ago so take from that what you will. Typical BBC and dodgy figures 😂

Why is speaking Welsh strange? It is no stranger than Portuguese, French, German, Spanish or English. Welsh speaking communities occurred elsewhere in the Americas, such as in Pennsylvania.

@chrisinnes2128

3 жыл бұрын

It's not that Welsh speaking is strange it's that there is a Welsh speaking area of Argentina of all places that's strange

@SantiagoGeffen

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisinnes2128 Lol. Why strange? Welsh is widely spoken along with English, German, Italian, Galician, Portuguese, Ukrainian, Yiddish and so many other languages brought by immigrants in the past. Argentina is a melting pot of languages, cultures and peoples, it's not strange at all. Around 85-90% of Argentines are of immigrant background. You can find a lot of settlements throughout the country that still preserve their heritage. Similar things happen in southern Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay and southern Chile as well.

@orangew3988

3 жыл бұрын

@@SantiagoGeffen I mean, Welsh isn't widely spoken. It's a minority language even in Wales. And whilst yes, it is a strong minority language being quite successfully revived with support from the Welsh government over the last 20 years, you can't live monolingually speaking Welsh in Wales, like the vast majority of English speakers in England. All the other languages you mentioned have many monolingual speakers. Whereas most Welsh speakers work in English. There's no guarantee living in Wales that if you spoke to your neighbours in Welsh that they'd understand you. But the idea that you can travel halfway across the world and find thousands of Welsh speakers does feel pretty amazing. And it is so unusual for Welsh, that it is in fact unique. There are no other long standing, largish Welsh speaking communities in the world.

@marcossidoruk8033

3 жыл бұрын

@@SantiagoGeffen It is not only for the reason the guy above me mentioned but because how rare and unique welsh is, it is pretty much the only brittonic language left since britain adopted saxon and gaulish languages after the fall of the roman empire.

@yungstallion2201

2 жыл бұрын

The language is not strange. But for such a tiny nation under English oppression for hundreds of years. Germany had a population of over 40 Million people in 1871 meanwhile Wales had a population of 1.2 Million of which people were not allowed to speak welsh.

As a welsh argentine that lives in rawson and speak welsh i thank you so much for this video 🇦🇷

I wonder if many of these people Welsh speaking people ever decided to go to Wales to visit their ancestral homeland? 🤔 Edit: Well, 11:30 answers my question!

@simonshepherd4615

3 жыл бұрын

Alejandro Jones, an Argentine Welsh who sings in Welsh toured over here a few years back, take a look at some of his videos on KZread, he has a lovely voice!

@camilatorress181

2 жыл бұрын

I wish,some day, go to Wales, but by the moment we have a lot problems to get out from here and the economy doesn't help actually

Patagonia welsh part of Argentina all welsh schools in wales learn about it and be able to go there on a trip

Many of he signs around the town would be written in Welsh *Shows sign in Spanish*

shwmae Argentinian Welsh , Hardd iawn!

@advickprosankto

3 жыл бұрын

helo ffrind

@wladfan

3 жыл бұрын

Helô, dw i'n dod o'r wladfa, dw i'n dysgu cymraeg

@theodavies5943

3 жыл бұрын

@@wladfan tin gwneud yn gwych! Da iawn

There are some Argentinians have Welsh surname.

Cool video! Greetings from Y Wladfa.

I have heard about it but with all these explanations i feel more educated, Funny how the Hispanophones were not only tolerant but welcoming to the Cymri. That mixing with a Romance language reminds me « Brithenog » a made up language of what could have sound Welsh if it evolved with a deeper Latin linguistic sphere

3:19 That flag is the one of Puerto Madryn in Chubut.

i was today years old when i found that out. great video :)

I'm living in Trelew and my friend can talk welsh

seems like if you want to create an isolated community, you go to argentina

@x2y3a1j5

Жыл бұрын

The country is enormous and has historically always been very scarcely populated. In light of that, the mistery is how come there are not hundreds of isolated communities, as it happens in USA (having in mind those loonies such as in Waco and the like).

It's good Welsh is being spoken here I'm a Welshman and proud

The welsh language may face trouble but i will survive cymru am byth

So is this where the Argentines get their love for Rugby?

@libertasautmors8995

3 жыл бұрын

No. Rugby was inherited from the English as well as football.

- Whole channel is about language and names with respect to pronunciation - Butchers every Welsh word in the video (like fully butchered not just nit-picking)

The image at the start showing migration is a bit misleading. Madagascar was settled by people from Oceania, not Africa.

There are many examples of this all over Latin America. For example the German communities in southern Brazil, the Palestinian communities in Chile, the Veneto (northern Italian language) preserved and spoken in Mexico as well as French in their Atlantic Coast, the Russian spoken in Uruguay, etc...you even have Afrikaans colonies in Argentina and Mexico as well as an Australian colony in Paraguay. Japanese in Brazil still spoken and Chinese in Peru. Polish in Brazil and the Cornish in Mexico (there’s a “Little Cornwall” just north of Mexico City for example where many Cornish traditions are kept and Cornish died in the early 1900’s there).

@paraguayopromedio123

3 жыл бұрын

There is also a minor community of Ukrainian and Greek speakers in Paraguay

@tonyminutti5277

3 жыл бұрын

@@paraguayopromedio123 there’s also sizable Greeks in Antofagasta in Chile and in Sinaloa in Mexico as well as large communities of Ukrainians in Brazil and Argentina and sizable ones in Venezuela and Mexico.

@ajl8198

3 жыл бұрын

That is so fascinating thank you

@aldozilli1293

3 жыл бұрын

I was agreeing with you until you said Australian colony in Paraguay!? Sure you don't mean Austrian?

@paraguayopromedio123

3 жыл бұрын

@@aldozilli1293 Yes it is Australian they came to "create" a Communist paradise but it failed