Achilles is the greatest Greek hero, because of the underlying complexity of the character that usually gets ignored.

@Ciceroni1

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully we did him justice here.

@princekalender2154

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 totally :D

@headdragondavidaustinsimmo4025

4 жыл бұрын

im going to go writing truth i didn't die i went to Egypt building a sewage system priminister Benjamin and made the jews and my men killed greek my men were ordered by philosopher that bought me get my body 30 years later i was killed by the next seed of adam gods son that greek king screamed you betrayed me i fell dead my men and jews killed my men took my body

@Rr-rr133

3 жыл бұрын

He is not greek he is illyrian albanian pelasgo you iddiot

@princekalender2154

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rr-rr133 🤣🤣🤣

"Achilles is the greatest of all Greek heroes" ...so true

@headdragondavidaustinsimmo4025

4 жыл бұрын

i am

@jashsamani2487

4 жыл бұрын

@@headdragondavidaustinsimmo4025 no i am

@georgeflorin6229

4 жыл бұрын

how tall was Achilles?

@Gadget-Walkmen

4 жыл бұрын

George Florin 2 feet tall!

@headdragondavidaustinsimmo4025

4 жыл бұрын

my dick Achilles is almost2 feet tall

When reading Achilles bloodlust and rage in chasing down Hector, I too felt energised and enthused.

Ares should have his own video game.

@Ciceroni1

5 жыл бұрын

There is definitely a good game there.

@Angelkid190

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 He has a story to tell so he needs to have his own game. Question is, who will be the one to look into his storyline and make a game for him?

@Ciceroni1

5 жыл бұрын

We'll be happy to look into the storyline if you manage to get us a game company to do the rest :)

@Angelkid190

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 Cool. Okay Sony can do it.

@HurricaneGaming509

4 жыл бұрын

Well... Kratos made sure that won't happen

Yeah, but the only reason we don't see Ares much in the Iliad is because he was sidelined by the hero who picked up the slack while Achilles was pouting in his tent... and once again poor Diomedes gets left out of another film about the Iliad... :)

@8ballstreet

3 жыл бұрын

Diomedes is the most underrated and often overlooked Greek hero. If anyone in Achilles' generation of warriors can match him in prowess, strength and bravery, it's Diomedes. Indeed, I think he was not included in the movie Troy because Achilles wouldn't be able to outshine him like he does the rest.

@SkullRaine

2 жыл бұрын

the left out the Ethiopian king hero, the African hero who was the only one to make Achilles bleed too. Memnon

@SkullRaine

2 жыл бұрын

@@8ballstreet Memnon

@8ballstreet

2 жыл бұрын

@@SkullRaine what about him?

@patrickstewart3446

2 жыл бұрын

@@SkullRaine Not really. Memnon doesn’t actually appear in the Iliad. He shows up after the death of Hector but before the Amazons.

Love Achilles 👍

Terrific video!

I have always had sense that Achilles was just Ares and Alexander was his next Incarnation.

Cheers guys!

@tchitchouan

5 жыл бұрын

I wonder what happens if some western deity found itself in gensokyo

Love to hear the story of Achilles and Memnon dual !!!

Thank you for your good work.

That was awesome!!!

At 1:33 Brad Pitt comes out 😂😂🤣

nicely put!!

Someone will say: And are you not ashamed, Socrates, of a course of life which is likely to bring you to an untimely end? To him I may fairly answer: There you are mistaken: a man who is good for anything ought not to calculate the chance of living or dying; he ought only to consider whether in doing anything he is doing right or wrong - acting the part of a good man or of a bad. Whereas, according to your view, the heroes who fell at Troy were not good for much, and the son of Thetis above all, who altogether despised danger in comparison with disgrace; and when his goddess mother said to him, in his eagerness to slay Hector, that if he avenged his companion Patroclus, and slew Hector, he would die himself - "Fate," as she said, "waits upon you next after Hector"; he, hearing this, utterly despised danger and death, and instead of fearing them, feared rather to live in dishonor, and not to avenge his friend. "Let me die next," he replies, "and be avenged of my enemy, rather than abide here by the beaked ships, a scorn and a burden of the earth." Had Achilles any thought of death and danger? For wherever a man's place is, whether the place which he has chosen or that in which he has been placed by a commander, there he ought to remain in the hour of danger; he should not think of death or of anything, but of disgrace. And this, O men of Athens, is a true saying.

I've seen documentaries about Ares they all said he was stabbed in battle and ran like a bitch

@tattedguy9579

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@noman312

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao what??

@Reck_on_ing

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard Ares would have ran from Hector.

@holypaladin4657

3 жыл бұрын

I guess. I mean, he did get a spear shaft through the abdomen because of the intervention of Athena so he decided to go to Olympus to complain to Zeus about how it’s unfair Athena could do that to him and how wrong it is that the gods are spilling each other’s blood on behalf of mortals. I don’t think even the god of war could fight with a whole ass spear in his gut. You also forgot that his roar upon being wounded sounded like the battle roars of thousands of men and that both armies shook in fear hearing it. Ares whined to Zeus because Athena aided a mortal in wounding two gods, basically because she is a sore loser and couldn’t accept her loss to Aphrodite in a beauty contest. Ares didn’t gaf about mortal struggles or the beauty contest, that’s why he didn’t follow his word to help the Achaeans. He just enjoyed the tumult and slaughter of war, as Zeus said in his rebuke of him.

@siddarth3955

2 жыл бұрын

Diomedes stabs him with the blessings of godess Athena whose favourite Diomedes was, he also stabbed Aphrodite on her forearms or something.

More mythology pls, your narrative presentation is much more professional than other youtubers

@Ciceroni1

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks and we are working on it ;)

very nice vid!

actually according to homers illiad theres no reference about patroklos and achiles sharing sexual relationship that change in later interpretations most significaly during the rise of the roman empire in the beginning it was started as a significant form of Platonic love

@Ciceroni1

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have any ideas on why this addition would be made in Roman times?

@dimitrisdaskalakis3065

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 i said specially in roman times and as to why if i have to take a guess and thats just a guess i havent studied the roman empire that thoroughly it would cuz people would rather see achiles and patroklos more as lovers rather as friends

@dimitrisdaskalakis3065

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 if there is on thing we learn throughout the history is that people are getting easily bored by the common thigs and desire the to see the scandals the tragedy another example is the tragedy of medea i mean everyone knew of the story of jason and meda but eurepedes decided it would interest his viewers more to see medea kill her children and his right another example is the english legend of king arthur iin the original version mordred was morgauss mother not morganna le fay and arthur and his sister didnt share any sexual relationship

@dimitrisdaskalakis3065

4 жыл бұрын

ps sorry foany spelling mistakes

@mayallyourbaconburn7133

3 жыл бұрын

DIMITRIS DASKALAKIS in the end it doesn’t really matter. They cared about each other. Whether it was romantic or platonic it was love. Whether it is sexually is just subtext.

This was sensational.

Love how Alexander stole Achilles shield

Achilles isn't obsessed with war... He questions the whole warrior thing they do and he only fights to satisfy himself in many ways. This analysis completely ignores greek thought at the time period. Warriors expected to fight and to die in battle was immortality... That's it. No Greek writer ever would compare a character fictional or not to a god...

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

We aren’t Greek writers so we can make that comparison :) I believe what you are saying is not unlike what we are saying btw. That he is obsessed with war does not mean he loves it. It is merely super present in his life and person. As a warrior he knows he can have eternal glory through battle but he has to pay the dearest price. Of course a belief in even a literal sense of immortality does not take away the dread of loss of life. Christians or Muslims believe they will go to a next world, a better one than this one. Yet there are few people who would happily step out of their current life. War, famine and disease scares people who are convinced of heaven too.

I love that Hollywood diss

Achilles is the greatest simply because he is undefeated... The greeks don't care about his problems... In fact, several of the comrades try to get him back to fight only to win against troy... Completely disregarded achilles feelings towards getting his stuff taken away... Also there is absolutely 0 reference to any homosexuality in the book... In fact patroclus and achilles both have war brides... Actually that's how the iliad starts... It's about achilles losing his war bride

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

It is indeed. The start of the dispute. Which I think we mention in our video, do we not? The fact that they also had brides does not exclude anything though. The sort of choice that is expected in modern times in which having sexual relations with men or women ‘marks’ you as either gay or straight is not necessary, it is a construct of our times. It did not exist in this way in ancient times. You could imagine a society making a division between people who drink tea or coffee. In which you identify them by that choice. We do not do this in real life and are happy to accept that people might drink coffee in the morning and tea at night. The Greeks had an attitude more similar to the coffee/tea than gay/straight of modern Western standards.

@Euro.Patriot

3 жыл бұрын

If you want your ashes to be mixed with the ashes of a friend of the same sex then to be with them forever then that's pretty gay.

Yo aphrodite was originally a goddess of war, yall turned her into a goddess of luv

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

She was indeed also known as a war goddess but she certainly is most famous for her love-portfolio. There is a reason an 'aphrodisiac' is something that makes you want to make love not war :)

I proud for Achilles

I have that picture where he's dragging hector's body above my bed! I noticed in this picture there is a swastika on the wall of troy?

@Ciceroni1

Жыл бұрын

A swastika? Which one do you mean?

Amazing video 💛⚜ althought the patrian godess of Sparta was the virgin Artemis daughter of Zeus and Leto

Diomedes was more bloodthirsty and killed more Trojans and their allies in the Iliad. When Diomedes return home his queen and her lover drive Domedes from Greece who seeks refuge by finding a city in Italy. When Turnus tries to tempt Diomedes to help against Aeneas in Italy, Diomedes counsels Turnus to make peace with Aeneas as Diomedes had soured on combat and making war.

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

Diomedes does not get the attention he deserves. We also haven't righted that wrong here. Maybe in a future video..

In which book happens the end of the trojan war ?

@Ciceroni1

6 жыл бұрын

+Emmanuel Ru D The end of the war is talked about in the three books named in the video. The Odyssey and the Oresteia are the most direct 'sequels' while the Aeneid is a lot more recent.

@paranoikoc

5 жыл бұрын

In the Odyssey

Apollon was the patron deity of Spartans, not Ares

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah true, along with Artemis. So patron god was not exactly the right term here :) thanks for pointing that out. Speaking of patron, did you check our patreon yet?:p www.patreon.com/Ciceroni

@aresgodofwar2092

2 жыл бұрын

nonsense they worship me everyday

@bujarcullhai3567

2 жыл бұрын

Xaxaxa malaga persiani bastardi heleni bastardi i Spartani erano Iliri I Dori Malaga

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My name is Aris and I'm Greek, thereby carrying the name of who you guys call Ares or Mars. Unnecessary fact. Have a nice day.

@casualcookin3893

5 жыл бұрын

Aris and Ares are two dofferent names

@user-hq8wx2ve8v

5 жыл бұрын

Iliqn Monev Ares/Aris are the same name but mostly Aris is how you say the name, but Ares is how you spell the name. In Greece they spell Ares Aris, in Some colonies they spell it Ares.

@Jenjen-qc5eq

3 жыл бұрын

I like war films but then I my star sign is Aries and I am a female. 💫💥💢🎈🎊🌟✨🍷Uk

What does Harry Potter have to do with this? Someone please tell me I am actually curious

War is never glorious, there’s nothing there but death and destruction, pain and suffering, and ugliness.

@Ciceroni1

6 жыл бұрын

True, but for some reason there are many films, games, stories etc. glorifying war. So there is something about it that appeals to us...

@DiamorphineDeath

4 жыл бұрын

And glory, take early 20th century philosophers, especially the work of Ernst Junger. He viewed war as a transcendent experience, one unlike anything else you could experience during your life. Bombs, sounds, colors, glory, sacrifice, terror, etc. All around you, and for a curious mind such as his, he viewed it from almost an outside perspective while partaking in the trench warfare of WW1. There's an old quote about a man missing out on a fundamental part of life if he had never gone to war, or never gone out to sea. A modern humanist take looks at war as a negative, which modern anonymous style war where technology has taken center stage, it is a negative. But instead view it from an earlier time, it was extremely personal and being a great fighter was something to take pride in as it said something about you as an individual. Throughout history no one has glorified the coward archetype; why do you think that is?

@idiotidiot5821

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiamorphineDeath yeah I guess that whole saying turn the other cheek isnt glorifying passiveness....hmmm

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Achilles is obviously a incarnation of Ares, all religions clearly states that the Angel's or God's take human form from time to time aka incarnations on earth in human body's Ares,Loki,Lucifer= same entity just different names in different religions

When in battle, you need the Rage of Ares, got it.

I wish I was as skilled, or skilled in battle than Achilles, my favorite warrior of all-time.

Where/why did the idea that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers come into history? It's explicitly stated in the Illiad that they were cousins?

@saintbryan4

6 жыл бұрын

sentenialofliberty I believe in the Roman version of the Iliad is where Achilles and Patroclus are friends with benefits.

@Ciceroni1

6 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Homer never stated that they were cousins. Do you have a reference? Homer also never explicitly states they are lovers though. But while Homer does not clearly confirm or deny their sexual/romantic relationship, other classical writers (e.g. Plato and Aeschlyus) do portray them as lovers. So I guess it depends on which version you prefer, we prefer the classical Greek interpretation.

@Stephen-uz8dm

6 жыл бұрын

No it does not...

@abelbrockman284

5 жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure the only place they are cousins is in the movie Troy and no place in actual ancient text if Im not mistaken

@godsmacked1000

5 жыл бұрын

It was the movie that you're thinking about.

As I understand it the Spartans only sacrificed prisoners of war to Aries early on but then stopped worshiping him all together

@Ciceroni1

Жыл бұрын

They also worshiped Athens as she was also a goddess of war, just a different part of war. When comparing Spartan and Athenian cultures the Spartan one is closest to the ways related to Ares though, wouldn’t you agree?

@ralphieboogerbottoms

Жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 you would think so but that was not the case. It seems that Athena was the patron deity as protector of the city, as Spartan women were the last line of defense for the city if there were no men left. Spartans in the early days sacrificed a few prisoners of war to appease Ares, but stop doing so soon after as he was seen as a coward. His actions during the Trojan war were not looked upon as honorable. After being injured by Ajax he fled to Zeus and asked that the act be reversed so that he looked like the victor. Zeus thought this was despicable and wanted him removed from the Pantheon altogether. Only Aphrodite loved Ares. He was a serial rapist and Spartan women had complete sexual freedom to be virgins for life if they wanted. Spartans worshiped Artemis Otrera which was more about coming of age. It is interesting that Otrera was the first queen of the Amazons who was supposed to be a daughter of Ares and was mythologically the founder of the Temple of Artemis. Other than that they dedicated their worship mostly to Apollo during the three festivals of the year.

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I have a trap question ! Where was Achilles buried, on what island ? The question is, of course, primarily addressed to the Greeks !

@Ciceroni1

Жыл бұрын

As a non Greek person, I am very interested in your answer:)

@costeabogdan505

Жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 Nella contea di Tulcea, nel delta del Danubio, in Romania! kzread.info/dash/bejne/jGSXzaZ7kbm7pbQ.html Non era Greco, era Pelasgo-Tracio !!!

@Ciceroni1

Жыл бұрын

@@costeabogdan505 Grazie per questo video. Parliamo un bel po' di lingue ma per sfortuna ancora non capiamo Rumeno.. E non ci sono tottotitoli.. Ci puoi aiutare?

@costeabogdan505

Жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 Sono rumeno, capisco le lingue latine!

@costeabogdan505

Жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 Posso inviare un documentario che dimostri che rumeni, italiani, spagnoli, francesi, portoghesi, catalani, macedoni-aromeni fanno parte della grande razza dei pelasgo-traci! kzread.info/dash/bejne/gqWE27OedrTUXc4.html

Achilles is the best

Some say Hercules is the greatest Greek hero.

@Ciceroni1

Жыл бұрын

Many say that indeed. He is the only one who was raised to Olympus after all.

Look on Aztec calender they crusifed me to DAS pima

It makes much more sense if they were lovers

Achilles is Krishna. Krishna dies from an arrow to the ankle.

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting :) There often are many similarities in religions, myths and other stories.

So king pelus sold mom i to great astronomer taught people to sail by stars and 20 men came training me to kill i sail whole earth planted Akasha trees marked my gold mines

hmm and because he showed mercy he died should have stayed with me we made a great team

You’re an ignorant to think Patroclus was Achilles boyfriend…no where this written.

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

Quite some prominent ancient Greeks had this interpretation so I wouldn’t call it ignorant. Also, he gets very very upset about his death while his other friends dying doesn’t really bother him. Might be a sign;)

@websparrow

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 I really would like to see these prominent greek interpretations...there is no logic to this notion of Achilles being gay when he was locked in tent screwing a woman that was the cause to stay away from the war...Homer never mentioned homosexual relationship, but only heterosexual. Thousands of years later Plato and Aeschines and others make their own gossip...nothing but crap

No one should die for self-defense. Hector was innocent, a true brother, & an even better soldier.

Hera also loves ares. She is the only reason why zeus didnt kill ares.

@efaristi9737

3 жыл бұрын

i'm not sure gods can kill eachother, that's the problem with being immortal.

@holypaladin4657

2 жыл бұрын

@@efaristi9737 Ares almost died when giants locked him in a jar for months, it is mentioned in the Iliad.

@efaristi9737

2 жыл бұрын

@@holypaladin4657 never heard he almost die from that. It was certainly humiliating but i never heard his life was ever in danger.

@holypaladin4657

2 жыл бұрын

@@efaristi9737 After re-reading the Cowper translation of the Iliad it says “blood-nourished Mars had pined away” and was “worn, languid and fetter-gall’d” by the time he was freed, so I think I remembered it wrong. So you’re right I think. But online looking up the story some articles say he almost died. I don’t know about that. I would have to read a reputable translation of the original text. And we have to remember of course that different regions of Greece had differences in their myths and stories as is always the case with these antiquated stories. He was certainly becoming weaker and frailer in the jar though.

@efaristi9737

2 жыл бұрын

@@holypaladin4657 Certainly. But are you certain about your source? it say "Mars" not "Ares". Have to keep in mind though that if deities could die, then Zeus wouldn't have simply imprison the Titans.

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Wait..Boyfriend or Cousin? Patroclus was his boyfriend?

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

It might very well have been. There is no conclusive proof either way. As you can read in the comments below, there are many different opinions based on the sources.

@sonnydiaz6821

3 жыл бұрын

I thought they were best friends lmao

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

That’s perfectly possible too. Even in combination with the cousin/lover position in fact.

@Angel-hg5hf

3 жыл бұрын

His cousin? They are not even related to each other.. they were friends and maybe lovers.

@7alexooo

3 жыл бұрын

Cousin

I smell the Dutch

@Ciceroni1

2 ай бұрын

Haha why do you smell the Dutch?

SORRY EVERYONE BUT LORD ARCHILLIUS!!!! His real name! WAS KILLED BY HECTOR ON THE BATTLEFIELD HE WAS JUST A BOY!! WEARING HIS ARMOR HIS LOVER AND TEACHER & TRAINER CAME TO CHALLENGE HECTOR IN A ONE ON BATTLE. (HECTOR WEARY FROM BATTLE STILL ACCEPTS) THE TRAP IS SET FOR (Achilles was trained by the centaur Chiron, who also taught the Greek hero Jason and Achilles' father Peleus.) CENTAUR CHIRON WAS THE ONE WHO KILLED HECTOR AND AVENGED ARCHILLIUS. BOOK OF TRUTHS AND REAL HISTORY......

@Warlock786

2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get this information ?

Say what you will the movie troy is one of those movies that does kinda give the characters justice

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

Well it does forget about the gods in the entire story…

@nicocalhoun8813

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 yea but they get a mention an it's not like some movies that put to much importance onto the gods

Someone please help, I just watched troy, and I read Achilles isn't actually a true story, please someone tell me that it is 😭😭

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

It depends who you ask ;) With Achilles, just like with figures like Jesus, some feel the story is truth, for others it is a fairytale. Regardless of the accuracy of the story of Achilles or Jesus the effect they have had on the world for the past millennia is very true. :)

@Reck_on_ing

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Achilles is 100% a person and the greatest Spartan warrior of all time! That war went on for many years

@Proud_Sex_Dungeon_Owner

3 жыл бұрын

@@Reck_on_ing Achilles is not spartan. You thinking of Leonidas.

@Reck_on_ing

3 жыл бұрын

@@Proud_Sex_Dungeon_Owner Achilles was a Myrmidon . He was the demigod son of Peleus , the king of the Myrmidons and his wife , Thetis , a sea goddess who was either an Oceanid , daughters of the immortal personification of the encircling waters of the Earth , Oceanus or a Nereid , daughters to Nereus an ancient god of the sea .

@efaristi9737

3 жыл бұрын

@@Reck_on_ing I don't think Phthia is part of Sparta ...

I prefer Diomedes over Achilles. The latter was a mental case.

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

Haha possibly

@holypaladin4657

3 жыл бұрын

Achilles was not a mental case. His reaction to everything that happens to him seems justified.

@debbiek3469

2 жыл бұрын

@@holypaladin4657 no not really.The seeking revenge was justifiable but during his body around was just downright cruel

@holypaladin4657

2 жыл бұрын

@@debbiek3469 Maybe to you it seemed ruthless but everything Achilles did was provoked by somebody else. You can’t call him a mental case. Having issues controlling your anger after having been wronged by somebody else doesn’t mean you are insane; it means you are human. Yes, killing a man and desecrating his body does not bring your buddy back. But that’s the worst part. No matter how deeply incensed and enraged you are, no matter what vengeance you seek, no matter how many humiliations you heap on an already dead man, no matter what you do in your despair and pain, your friend who was like your cool older brother is still dead because of somebody else. Now think about how that may be infuriating, and think about how it may be difficult to control yourself in that situation. It is not so cut and dry as you think.

Achilles wasn't gay, him beeing gay is a classical point of vieuw of the book

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

So you think we should disagree with a classical interpretation of a classical work?

@ikazer7

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 the illiad is not a classical work it was orally told before that and was written down by Homer in 8bc with no indication of Achilles having a homosexual relationship. Classical 5th century Greeks from mostly Athens depicted him being with no mention of it in the actual book.

My name is Charles Achilles D. Adap my charles is on the rich man charles prince royal blood and my achilles is on greek hero

3:39...omg 😲 she thicc Venus thicc

@Ciceroni1

4 жыл бұрын

We actually made a new video about Venus (Aphrodite), so since you're a fan of her's, maybe check it out:) kzread.info/dash/bejne/pHecsLezkpneqqg.html

i didn't die Achilles i went to Egypt

@zalmorxis4736

2 жыл бұрын

A K I L e in linear B attested, he died and was buried small Dobruja around the Danube river of Thracian homeland. He was a Scythian the wars are his myrmidons (мравки - bulgarian an thracian) were - moesians and peons (bulgarian). 😉

Watched The movie and blabbering the same here

Hector his wife try kill me Achilles i sent her to training with my men Achilles they beat the shit out of xena tell she was tuff she try killing king Agamemnon 5 times

I thought Heracles is the greatest hero

@mikeybarra47

6 жыл бұрын

Novo Eduardo AC nope

@galatian5

3 жыл бұрын

He is.

And another fact.before he went to Troy,Achilles,still young,was hidden in the island of Skyros ,in the Cyclades archipelago by his parents to avoid been conscripted for the Upcoming Troyan war,till Ulysses found him.ofcource the hero didn’t waste his time in the royal court and impregnated his girlfriend,the daughter of the local king.he had a son by the name Neoptolemos,means war.when the war was finally over,he went back to Pthia,claimed his fathers kingdom,that had the name Hellas,and married the exwife of Hector. The Troyan hero that died from the hand of Achilles.they had a son by the name Mollosos.eventually he was overthrown from a rival faction and fled to Epirus,another Greek region an$ his descendants ruled the region.intresting enough one of them was Olumpias,the mothe4 of Alexander the Great.also Pyrrhus a king who fought the Romans in Italy.now the myth that the hero was invulnerable is a later one.in Iliad the hero gets slightly wounded in the course o& th3 battle.and Homer n3ver m3ntioned such a thing.most likely his Panoplia had to do something with that.the same that they were gay.later myths without base.and Patroclus was much older than him.and also a brave and capable warrior.he fights Hector ,kills his charioteer,Hectors brother.fights over his corpse,forces Hector to retreat to avoid to be killed,pushes the Trojans to the walls ,scales the walls but gets thrown down.he is dizzy from the fall and alone,then a Troyan hits him from the back with a spear.the Troyan runs away with fear when Patroclus turned to face him,the wound wasn’t mortal.Patroclus withdraws from the battle alone,Hector saw the aftermath,runs and kills the wounded Patroclus with his spear.he avoided close quarter battle because the wounded lion could still deal death.you won’t see anything like that in the movie ,because they have an axe to grind,called propaganda and misinformation.

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THANK you for not washing Achilles and Patroclus into heteronormative characters. I am so tired of people believing they are cousins, or friends, or brothers in arms. There are many translations of the Iliad where the text is quite suggestive, such as Achilles referring to Patroclus as his hearts companion, his most beloved, etc. Achilles withdrew from war when Briseis was taken by Agamemnon, and only returned when Patroclus, his lover, was killed in battle. He refused to bury Patroclus, refused to eat or drink for days, and slept with Patroclus’s body in his tent before finally holding a proper funeral after Hector’s death. Patroclus was quite literally Achilles’ weakness, the “Achilles heel”. There are also many parts in the Iliad that talk about Achilles and Patroclus in camp together, patroclus listening as Achilles plays the lyre and sings for him. Though Achilles unleashed his rage upon Troy, it was born from grief and love, not hatred.

@icefroghoram3750

5 жыл бұрын

If I may weigh in, I really don't know much about the Greek mythology but as per the movie "Troy" . Achilles withdrew from the war because he mate with bersies and now he have the intention to go back home and have a normal family .

@dennettshane1929

5 жыл бұрын

@@icefroghoram3750 the movie Troy is not a reliable reference for understanding the Trojan War. It's a Hollywood film and westernizes the story

@batiris

5 жыл бұрын

Based on your own logic, the people believing they are cousins, or friends, or brothers in arms (that you are so tired of and consider washing the fact) have the same basis of "proof" as you do. As you yourself admit, in the Iliad you read only suggestions that can lead to certain adaptations this way or the other. Love is not the same as sex, but you are looking at it strictly from the modern sexual view of a gay couple (homosexuals)

Patroclus was his comrade not his lover. This is a misinterpretation that has been created by Hollywood for some spicy drama.

@mayallyourbaconburn7133

3 жыл бұрын

Peyton there is strong indication that they where lovers. But it’s not a big deel, the Greeks had a gay army. What their relationship was, was never officially stated but I don’t think it actually mattered. They cared about each other, sexually or not is just subtext in the end🤷

@Euro.Patriot

3 жыл бұрын

Hollywood said they were cousins, numb nuts.

@mayallyourbaconburn7133

3 жыл бұрын

@wanka wanka whether they are gay or not is not all that important if you ask me. Whether it was sexual or not doesn’t change the fact that Achilles was willing to defy fate for Patroclus. He wanted their ashes to be mixed and Achilles was willing to die for him. There are many different types of love it was love whether sexual or not. I’m we all put sexual love on a pedestal acting like nothing is more important than that. But nevertheless he held Patroclus is the highest of regards. So Patroclus was a lot but he wasn’t a companion. My impression of the story is that Patroclus was ultimately what made him human. His heel being his fatal weakness was not in the original story it came later. The thing that sealed Achilles Fate was the death of Patroclus not the arrow. It almost seems as if he stopped caring for life after that. Some joined Patroclus in death and I do not think he regrets it. But it’s a fictional story. The Greek stories are made to be interpreted so it is not as if there is only one truth. I don’t care about their sexuality what I care about is what their bond meant for them and their story. But the old greece was gay af but you can believe whatever the hell you want.

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I liked all the info except the cheap shot at Trump. Pretty corny… Trump was actually a good president.

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

Well he can surely take a joke, don’t you think?

@shawndellbailey4032

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 who the narrator of the video or Trump?

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@thedarkstranger963

5 жыл бұрын

Jose Cruz "Thou shalt have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME". Of what "god" do you speak?

Achilles is a Incarnation of ARES who is Lucifer who is Osiris who is Sanat kumara Alexander the great is also a incarnation of these being they are the same being in every way

@alexanderafxendiou4773

6 жыл бұрын

ldariusd21 ACHILLES is a incarnation of Lucifer Osiris RA Sanat kumara also Alexander the great Compare Achilles to Lucifer what do you get a near identical comparison see

@alexanderafxendiou4773

6 жыл бұрын

ldariusd21 not in the mood to take shit from someone inferior to me so your disappearing

@alexanderafxendiou4773

6 жыл бұрын

ldariusd21 make sure you remember that inferior comment when you die your nothing

@alexanderafxendiou4773

6 жыл бұрын

ldariusd21 let's get something straight coffin stuffer

@alexanderafxendiou4773

6 жыл бұрын

ldariusd21 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGmkquvc63PaMo.html I dont care about cannibal lives

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ACHILLES IS NOT GREEK!!!!!CHECK THIS: Achilles is the son of Peleus and the nymph Tethis. The Peleos was the king of the Mirmidons who, during the Trojan War, lived in Thessaly. Mirmidons had emigrated to Thessaly on the island of Aegina, following a plague epidemic, during the time of Leuus' father, Aeaeus. According to numerous ancient sources, the name of the mirmidons comes from gr. myrmix "ant" word of Indo-European origin, namely from PIE *momro-, *momri- "ant" (Walde-Hoffmann, 1, 531) with Sanskrit cognats and Indo-Aryan, Latin, Armenian, Celtic, Slavic and Germanic languages. Virtually in almost all Indo-European languages. Although the word also existed in ancient Greek, it is also found in Latin (formica) and Romanian (ant), with the passage of m initially to f, through the process of dissimilarity of the two m. And in Greek there are dialectal forms that exhibit the same process of dissimilarity: byrmax, bormax "id", forms probably occurring under the influence of the Pelasge language. Therefore, a similar form must have existed in the pelasga, the ancient Indo-European language from which traco-daca and ilira come. Some researchers have tried to find a Greek etymology to the Achilles anthroponym, namely from the achos "anger, pain" and laos "people, nation", hence "troubled people" or more precisely, being a person's name "the one whose people are troubled", a rather absurd hypothesis, which the researchers have renounced. More recently, the authors of Wiktionary suggest another more plausible etymology, based on Indo-European lexical elements: PIE *ek'-pod- "sharp foot" > proto-traco-ilir. ak'podios > *akhpdios > *akhiddios where dd became ll when it was borrowed from the pelasg (or proto-traco-ill) into Greek. This passage is possible, given that both d and l have the same point of articulation, namely the dental alveoli, therefore Akhileus. Robert Beekes (EDG, 183) points out that Greek lexical elements with double consonants, such as ll, ss, etc. are loans from the pre-Greek substrate, from the Pelasg language, in other words. This hypothesis is as correct as possible since we have lat. acupedius "quick foot", which is consistent with the phrase "Achilles, the quick foot", found in Homer. Therefore, Achilles translates as "the quick one of the foot", anthroponymof the pelasg origin. Homer and some of the Greeks of his time probably knew what Achilles meant, that is, the 'quick foot', in the pelasg, but of course most of them didn't know this. Since about half of the Greek lexicon is of Pelasgal origin, as evidenced by Robert Beekes's Electronic Greek Dictionary, it is obvious that there has been a long period of bilingualism in Greece, a Pelasgo-Greek bilingualism, of course, being assimilated many Pelasgi anus by the Greeks..

@kakarot9309

3 жыл бұрын

Ares did dash infants to pieces.

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Why do all these so called historians, always jump to the conclusion that so and so was the boy friend of so and so? In every version of the Iliad or Alexander or the 300 there is major references to homosexuality. I can see where there could be instances of occurrence, but you would have us believe it was the everyday acceptable behavior of men. I think not.

@Ciceroni1

6 жыл бұрын

Why do you think it was not acceptable behaviour for men?

@lazysob2328

6 жыл бұрын

Ciceroni because acceptance has to be promoted, to promote needs audience, audience needs growth or it dies. To live and grow it needs to be reproductive, to be reproduced you need two sexes ( especially during this time). This type of behavior would have been counter productive to the needs of the governed.

@Ciceroni1

6 жыл бұрын

So you arguing that ancient Greeks could not have found homosexual relationships acceptable since two men can't reproduce? And generally that any behaviour that is found acceptable is necessarily 'productive' to the needs of the governed?

@lazysob2328

6 жыл бұрын

Ciceroni look, I don’t give a shit one way or another about homosexuality, but I do find it odd that when given the chance gays promote themselves, even though it has nothing to do with topic at hand.

@Ciceroni1

6 жыл бұрын

I was not aware the Iliad was used by gays to 'promote themselves'. Anyway, in case of Achilles I do think it has meaning that it was not his nephew or some other distant relative but rather his lover. It makes his anger and grief more understandable.

Nah patroclus was like a father to achilles

@Ciceroni1

5 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting angle. How do you come to this conclusion? Any specific references? If you see their relationship as father-son, it makes for an interesting mirror when Achilles and Priam meet at the end. A son who lost his father, and a father who lost his son.

@pkpantheryt3326

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 patroclus was the oldervof the two and since he hadnt really had a father figure(as his mother disguised him as a girl and sent him to a female island where his son was born)most likely shaped patroclus as a father It also should be known that pat was regarded as a great a warrior as achilles and was only stopped when Apollo (i hate that guy) struck him down at the gates of trou where hektor killed him And this does go against my point but there is a term for there relation ship and it usually is an older warrior teaching a younger one how to live in war and there sometimes is sexual interaction

@Ciceroni1

5 жыл бұрын

@@pkpantheryt3326 You make an excellent case. Lacking a father figure he may have looked to Patroclos as a male role model. But could not Chiron have served more as a father-figure for Achilles? Pederasty, the relationship that you describe is indeed a very interesting phenomenon in ancient Greek society. As you say, this practice seems to point in the direction of what we describe in the video. However, it must also be said that we're not too sure this was common practice in the time of the Trojan war. Did you watch our video on Apollo? Would be interested to hear what you think of that :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnmrvNeedbXAd7g.html

@pkpantheryt3326

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 i have not yet watched your video on apollo so ill give it a try maybe he did not see chiron as a father figure as having bad experiences in the past one instance where when he got to angry and killed the tutor on the spot

@pkpantheryt3326

5 жыл бұрын

​@@Ciceroni1 Also this is more of a request but if you have some spare time on your hands mind covering Neoptolemus

Achilles was homosexual?

@Ciceroni1

Жыл бұрын

Maybe also bisexual or something else. That at least is what some famous ancient Greek scholars believed.

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@Ciceroni1

4 жыл бұрын

Glad to see you’re happy with yourself:)

I truly pity those who view Achilles and Patroclus' relationship as homosexual. It must really suck to never had experienced a friendship stronger than steel in which you would go insane if your friend was killed.

@timurkoshka3853

2 жыл бұрын

Lol there’s nothing wrong with interpreting their relationship in such a way.

Achilles was not gay, nice try though.

@Ciceroni1

Жыл бұрын

Well we can never be entirely sure of anything about Achilles of course. But many prominent ancient Greeks seemed to think this way about his relationship with Patroclus.

There is actual genealogy that Achilles and Patroclus are cousins. It wasn’t made up by Hollywood. Honestly we keep seeing these two through American eyes and don’t consider how other countries view the closeness of men. Plus Achilles’s anger has been used to show a romantic relationship with Patroclus but I’m pretty sure anyone who had a close best friend who was like their brother or sister would react the same

@Ciceroni1

2 ай бұрын

It surely is possible and we will never know for sure. So there are multiple theories, we think the romantic relationship is the most fitting one, but others might think otherwise :)

That into needs to be scrapped, the Iliad is not comparable to the Bible in influence

@Ciceroni1

3 жыл бұрын

How so? The Iliad formed the Greek identity, on which much of the Western world’s identity is based. Arguably in the Middle Ages, the bible had a winning streak over the Iliad but in Antiquity before and from the Renaissance again, the Greek identity has been ever so important to the West. Everyone from Plato to Spinoza, Augustus to Napoleon and Herodotus to Churchill grew up with the story of the Trojan war. Living in the Roman Empire even Jesus himself may have known the story of Achilles. There are certainly more people who believe the Bible to be true nowadays than those who think the Iliad is accurate but that’s not all that counts :)

@Euro.Patriot

3 жыл бұрын

No-one even reads the Bible.

People are getting so mad over others saying that Achilles was gay why? People can interpret it as they want, in my opinion, I do believe they were lovers, and obviously there can be anyone disagreeing with it. Though, it would make the grief and anger far more understandable that way. Y'all are talking about "bUt HOMOSExuaLItY bAd In pAST" Yuh, that's why most people in the LGBTQ+ community are looking for those older clues of just the tiny chance of someone actually being gay in the past so they can justify their existence- You are not trying to bring up facts, you are just homophobic if you're getting mad over that. Shame on you and your entire bloodline.

Lol bruh Achilles ain’t gay

@Dustpuma1

3 жыл бұрын

He is but it's not a bad thing you coward.

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@Ciceroni1

4 жыл бұрын

Is he seen as a national hero in Albania? And thanks for all the flags, not many as cool looking as the Albanian flag.

@renatoqyra598

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 where are the Greeks?

@Ciceroni1

4 жыл бұрын

@@renatoqyra598 Greece?

@renatoqyra598

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 Yes

@driven3354

2 жыл бұрын

You steal even history. You albanians. So funny.

Ares better than Achilles

@Dustpuma1

3 жыл бұрын

A god doesn't achieve

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@noah.dedivanovaj7013

2 жыл бұрын

don't embarrass us albanians he was 100% greek

"Achilles boyfried"? You kind sir, have never read Iliad and have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest try something else...or find yourself a boyfriend

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

There are multiple points of view on the subject and we can never be sure of the truth. However, our point of view is not an uncommon one and is shared by the likes of Aeschylus, Plato, Pindar and Aeschines. Or are you saying they did not read the Iliad and had no idea what they were talking about as well?:)

@spartan-s013

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 so you are basing your view not on the Iliad but on the point of view of philosophes that lived in completely other ages where homosexualism was way more accepted...hmmm pretty ignorant

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@spartan-s013 These people, like us and probably like you have read the Iliad. Their age was a different one than that of Homer and they would have certainly been influenced by the ideas of their age. Much like you... Unless you have found some way to bend spacetime and write to us from the days of Homer. If you have, let's not waste our time on this discussion we've got a lot more questions for you!

@spartan-s013

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ciceroni1 hehehe i would suggest you study some history before bringing in you philosofical absurdities

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

@@spartan-s013 Thanks for the suggestion :) Let us know when you managed to time travel and collected convincing evidence, we can always add a correction to the video description ;)

It makes much more sense if they were lovers

@dulciebarker2732

2 жыл бұрын

in your opinion it does and in mine it does not .

@Ciceroni1

2 жыл бұрын

In ours it does as well. Of course you can stick to your interpretation, but it is remarkable that he get so very very upset about this one person dying and doesn’t seem to care much about anyone else dying. To me that sounds more like lovers than friends.

i didn't die Achilles i went to Egypt