Are upgrades worth it on a budget Walmart mountain bike?
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Last week, we built and rode the Mongoose Ardor, an all new 27.5" hardtail mountain bike from Walmart that retails for $300. I couldn't give a full recommendation because there were too many limiting factors to really assess the potential of the frame. Well this week, I'm going full insane mode and putting the best parts on this Mongoose to really unlock it's potential and to see if it's worthy of purchasing and upgrading.
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It’s so hard to believe that when I was a kid, mongoose was a top of the line pro brand and is now considered a cheap Walmart bike. Same with diamond back. I had a diamond back mtb hard tail when I was a kid and was the envy of the block.
@EvansMTBSaga
2 жыл бұрын
I know right. Even further back, Schwinn was a top American brand
@mitch9309
2 жыл бұрын
@@EvansMTBSaga diamondback is still very reputable and makes great bikes?
@JustG38
2 жыл бұрын
I still love a mongoose, I recently spent over £1k upgrading one, it's my "sleeper" bike... I can enjoy having something nice without drawing to much attention.
@TheMattzki
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when i first saw schwinn and diamonback in the uk in the 90's some of the bmx stuff was epic
@seal9737
2 жыл бұрын
Both are still good brands but they get a bad rap because they sell really cheap bikes to companies like Walmart.
Actually made the hard tail appealing. Little crazy on the geo though! I bet a non-mullet 130mm fork would have been nice for it though! Keep up the work dude!
@Ferrari255GTO
2 жыл бұрын
I really wouldn't trust that head angle on a regular-ish bike.
@nawaal4452
2 жыл бұрын
True! a nice 100-120mm would have been good enough
Wow! Wow! Wow! Hands down the BEST MTB upgrade video I've ever seen! The fast paced punchy style, the detailed explanation for what you did, why you did it, the cost and your overall opinion of each upgrade - so much dang value for your viewers in a single video! Can't wait for the next one! Thanks!!
@ezra9940
2 жыл бұрын
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This is becoming a favorite channel for me. Muchas gracias for the original and fun content.
Its cool seeing your videos get better and better.. Especially your comfortability in front of the camera and speaking more normal. Great work man. Good video!
@DonnieBlaze28
Ай бұрын
What does "speaking more normal" mean?
Such an insane build! Thanks again for the metric conversions!!
Yes! Love these budget bike videos. Thank you!
awesome build. i wouldn’t have thought about the mullet possibility so thanks for giving that a test. i also appreciate the reference to the “mishap” with your rear wheel😆.
I loved the extreme build! You are a crazy man. Missed the mullet wig and cutoff denim shorts for the test ride😂! I was surprised how close the geo is of this bike compared to Nucleus 27 and was also surprised they both have 135mm rear spacing. Would be an interesting head to head comparison with smaller travel front fork or non mullet. Liked the cameo of the baby saga squad member. Amazing content and love how you pickup used quality parts to keep things more budget friendly
Evan, your videos are so good! Keep up the great work.
As always Evan another awesome video. Keep up the good work.
Might be the first MTB video I’ve ever watched that didn’t start with a rhetorical “whats up guys”. Huge props to you Evan you’ve earned a sub.
@EvansMTBSaga
2 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks Jensen. I started doing that way early on but no one likes that. Just cut right to the action!
I love the way you mix it up,always behind the 🎱 🏁
@nickparki
2 жыл бұрын
Great video hay! I think behind the 8 ball means the opposite of what you mean though! Have a nice day :)
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im so confused that wt r u doing in weeks. you were turning ardor into ardor plus extreme ultimate ultra saga edition🤣. that frame is heaaavyy. happy 5k and wolftick hits 10k. you guys are awesome
Great video man! Loved The Tick grinding away🤣. That bike looked crazy slack. We don't plan on going mullet, but we definitely plan on upgrading ours soon.
Ohhhhh baby! Now that is an ardor build man! This really is a terrific bike for the price!
Been here since 100 sub's keep grinding away ❤️💗 your videos you deserve so many more sub's Congratulations on the 5k 🔥👊
Thats the second time I watch one of your Videos and the second time I loved it
This was another awesome video 👍
Best 11:40 minutes that I spend today on KZread. Bye the way I am TK MX I just changed the name of my channel because before I was into tech but now it is only for MTB😅. Great videos as always bro... Keep it up
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
Haha whats up TK. Glad you told me about the username change!!
they always tell me at bike shops theses arent worth fixing this is awesome thanks!!! your bad ass
Awesome video! Keep up the good work
Great video! Very informative and entertaining thank you for video and I’ll be looking forward to seeing you soon Goodbye and good luck 🤞
Man I am happy you are a fan of the Yari. I love my eBike Yari too. There are so many idiots dissing the Yari on youtube.
I've modified my Schwinn Walmart MTB, and it's incredible feels like one of those expensive bikes. Plus it's so much lighter now.
5,000K!!!! 😂 nice man. That was an epic front end flop during the disassembly! You didn't mention that I mullet'd my AL Comp. It works on that bike since the HT isn't so slack to begin with.
this is amazing! dude how does a comparison between the ardor and nucleus sound for a video idea? they're both hardtails with huge potential due to their frames' aggressive geometry, and a comparison between the two i.e. the pros and cons of each bike out of the box would be an entertaining watch. it could be a way to really emphasise how quickly walmart are catching up to the modern standard for mountain biking too
That's probably one of the best Walmart mountain bikes I've seen component wise.
Damn, this thing actually looks sick. Damn they even gave it a tapered head tube, right on mongoose
Learn a lot from ur vid love it !
I was contemplating a similar build. Thanks for showing what this would end up doing. I'm about your height and have a bike too tall for me. If anyone is into a 20.5 Specialized FSR comp... I am asking 400 for it. Shifts nice...but I need longer legs. I have an older 17inch hardtail original rigid fork (now suspension) and MacGyver'd 1x drivetrain. And a cracked headtube.... My thoughts were to either have the crack rewelded or to upgrade to a larger than 26 wheel. My 17" hard tail cost less brand new than the Walmart bike does now...😞 I'm either getting "old" with my back in the day talk....or things have just gotten more expensive. New subscriber here! 😇😎😀
@InsanercYT
2 жыл бұрын
sounds cool!
Love the vid, like here in the Philippines we start with a budget bike then swap good or high end parts little by little then the last thing to change is the frame
I made the same changes on a 2001 Mongoose rockadile 26" stock bike before. It did well
Damn you really pimped this bike out! I was not very impressed with the stock bike, like yeah its a step in the right direction but still years behind most non Walmart bikes. Now it's looking sweet with the upgrades. Honestly looks like a really fun hardtail. That said, nothing beats the Mythique, for the price at least haha! Might want to reduce that yari to 130 or 120mm. That is a concern about the stress being put on the headtube and it'll bring the geometry a bit back in line while still keeping the advantages.
Jeez he just keeps the content coming gotta appreciate the grind man!
Cool vid. I subscribed!
Finally someone who actually tells you part sizes
Thank you so much. I learned so much.
That headset cup installation is class
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
Nice profile picture! Based
I purchased the Mongoose X1. The first thing I upgraded were the pedals and MAXXIS tires. Holly cow, that alone made a huge difference updating the rear then front suspension next, but I ride the Hell out of the bike and it takes some extreme punishment on Texas Hill country trails. It’s absolutely Great Fun and definitely holds its own!
dude the amount of effort you put into these videos is insane! 🤯 subscribed :)
Bad ass! liking the mullet
frame geometry is the one big thing to be careful with when upgrading the fork on a bike. Most everywhere you look they'll say isn't recommended to go above 20mm over what the bike was designed for because as you mentioned, you change the geometry too much and your libel to snap the head tube right off.
@Crowfist
Жыл бұрын
Lolol libel is a word but the one you need is LIABLE
@NonLegitNation2
Жыл бұрын
@@Crowfist lol yeah sometimes words are hard 🤣
Nice Video and cool bike 🚵♀️
Hello, love the videos. Curious , I want this bike but alas .. sold out since almost day 1. I'm inquiring if you may know any other options either business or private individuals that I might be able to acquire this bike. Thanks.
VERY EDUCATIONAL UP GRADE
Can you please do this with the Schwinn ascension? It's like the only cheap big box bike with internal routing that I haven't seen anyone do a high end build on.
Great video!! I see that you aren’t repping Seth’s Jersey anymore….are you coming out with one soon?
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
Haha I just didn't do laundry. But I am making a custom prototype jersey and shorts very soon, but not just my channel logo. We'll see how everyone reacts to it
For pressing in the new headset you can use 2 big washers (like they are used on construction sites) and a bolt with 2 nuts, it's essentially the same principle like the special tool made for this job but cheap and good enough for occasional use.
@johndef5075
2 жыл бұрын
I use mine to press bb30 bearings in too.
2:16 long bolt and 13mm big nut from Home Depot, 2 small spacers, 2 big spacers, and 1 very big spacer (or you can use that red bb tool you have) and you got yourself a super affordable headset cup press!
My Walmart Snarl was $1780 . Changed everything except for the bars, frame, shifter and Derailleur. Rock Shok, Fulcrum, BB7, Jagwire, Michelin, Thudbuster, Velo, Ergon Raceface,..
Great build. I just love how your head isn’t actually on your body 😂
Can You make a tutorial on how to change the hub? I want to change both of my hubs on my bike wheels but I don't know how.
With a 29er on front i would go 120mil suspension on front trying to goal for a 64-65 head angle because that head angle is too insane. For the most part great job!
Its looks superb with all the mods mate really does, so whats the result in the way it rides ?
I am new to mountain biking and I wanted to change my forks on my Trek Roscoe 6 2022. I want to switch to air shocks from coil shocks. I tried searching for a fork with the same offset but could not find one with such angle. Do I need to have the exact same offset angle or is it okay to have the angle changed?
I'm looking to do the same thing to my rear wheel and just get a new hub, curious as to what hub you used and what spoke length you had to use
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
I used the koozer hub, I linked it in the description. I usually reuse the same spokes. Most spoke nipples are pretty long and give you 10mm or more of Wiggle room
I was one of the rare few that voted a more conventional build, but the bike does look sick and makes for great content.
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
I think mullet makes a lot of sense with this bike because of the stack height. I'm going to throw on the Manitou markhor 120mm for a more reasonable build
@BMOutdoorz
3 жыл бұрын
I think it had 100mm my Walmart bikes can be changed easily because they are not made for a certain travel really
@s14tat
3 жыл бұрын
@Dawson that is only if you want to retain the factory geometry. If you want to be more rad, you can run same travel with 29er front or over fork and still run a 29er front.
Running the 140 on a 27.5 wheel is perfect. the Mullet takes it into the unsafe territory (although the Robot welds looks pretty fantastic on these)
Hi, I'm an extreme novice but I had an 1500 e bike that got stolen and I can't financially afford to replace it so I am doing what you are doing here except I am not putting premium parts back on... just slight upgrades in most pieces but big upgrades in others ie Brakes, wheels, shocks. I have a question though... my replacement handlebar stem and or rise constantly develops a slight wobble buy if I attempt to tighten it, it doesn't seem to move... is it possible for this original frame to be such a piece of shit that I am spreading or stretching the stem tube ( Where the handle bar stem goes) when I try to tighten it? And please forgive my lack of knowledge of the terms. I don't know if I'm using the right term. It's, but I'm sure you get the idea.
Hey Evan, would you be willing to sell the old drivetrain parts? Crankset, derailleur, and freewheel?
Nice! I'm considering making a mullet out of a GT Zaskar LE. What are your riding impressions?
@EvansMTBSaga
2 жыл бұрын
I made the Ardor too slack for comfort haha. I don't really recommend it
We got chicken sendies and evan upload same day let's go! Also you should try out the microshift advent or advent x when you upgrade the ardor but finding them in stock is a bit iffy
Hey Evan do you have any videos on lacing up wheels. I know I’ve seen you do it on one of your videos but not sure how much detail you go into. I’m really wanting to put new hubs on my ledge x1. I’ve always wanted to learn how to lace my own wheels.
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
Sup Shooby! Glad to hear you actually received the Ledge. Lots of people had their order canceled by Walmart! I try to keep my videos on the entertainment side and not so much the how to. Every time I spoke a wheel, I use this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKmXuM59lZXVdJs.html because he explains it so well. Yeah it's a BMX wheel in his video but the lacing pattern is the same for mountain bikes. It's pretty fun! I don't obsess over having the most perfectly straight rim either. In BMX yeah because we ran rim brakes
Vitus Nucleus for life!!!! LOL, Nice vid!
@Yesthatisme14
3 жыл бұрын
Ragley/Nukeproof is better
I only just realised. Congrats on the baby! For a year ago
Thank you for that money savings tip on the rear hub change out! I hadn’t thought of that and I don’t know why. I’m asking this question out of lack of time to search out your channel but have you done a video on how to do that? I know it’s pretty simple but a simpleton like me would love to see something like that. Thanks again for the money saving tip. Those hubs are like $60 on Amazon versus spending $100-$200+ on another wheel!
@EvansMTBSaga
Жыл бұрын
Glad to help! I've never done a tutorial on wheel building, but each time I lace a wheel, I pull up this video - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKmXuM59lZXVdJs.html and follow the pattern. It's pretty fun!
@upstatecre8
Жыл бұрын
@@EvansMTBSaga I am 48 years old and I have gone the easy way and just bought the wheel. It’s time to learn this and save some money
Hello, Idea for pressing in the headcups without specialtool... Maybe try to fix the Bike in a middle high position and then put the steerertube parallel down to your workbench and then, with some wood between, hammer the cups in. Other way, if your vice is big enough, use this for pressing in. Good luck next time from Germany
I've got a schwinn Copeland from Walmart and actually thinking about alot of upgrades
Well done with the walgoose. Talk about polishing a turd to a brilliant luster.
i have been prone to lower back pain from bikes, im 6' tall what would be a good stack height for some one my size?
Hey man do have a tutorial how to remove bottom bracke square tapered?
My bros will love to see this as they have a very expensive upgraded schhwin bike
You should try to reduce the fork to 130mm and retry the trail the headtube and seat tube angle would increase to something more comfortable to ride.
BB come in both 68 and 73mm on MTB hence the spacers and you would use a lockring wrench to remove the ring on the BB which can be bought for about £5. That's cheap BB's for you.
Nice stabilization on the pov shots
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks! I actually didn't do any post editing stabilization. All of it was done by the GoPro Hero 9!
Hey Evan, how do you replace a freewheel hub with a freehub? I want to DIY mine as a first timer. Is there any info that I can refer to?
@gabrielbeaudet269
2 жыл бұрын
You cant, you have to replace de whole hub or get a new wheel with a freehub.
Wow 62.5! I know downhill bikes that are in the 63 and 64s but never heard one in the 62s
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
Haha right! Budget grim donut! I was for sure nervous to hit the drop and kept checking the welds
@mtbboy1993
3 жыл бұрын
My Geometron G1 is. 👌 Love the steering, my bike has 515mm reach for size large, meant for my height, at 181 cm it fits perfectly. It can be set up as downhill bike or enduro bike, takes dual crown, and also mullet setup, can change seat stay and chainstay chips. Most adjustable bike on the market in this category but costly. But great quality, it smade in Germany properly so no tolerance and alignment issues. 👌
A huuuuge 👍 for holding your baby while making a KZread video!
Hey Evan, congrats on 5k or 5000k depending on who's doing the math😂🎉🎆.
@michaelparker5478
3 жыл бұрын
5000k thousand
@WOLFTICKVIDEOS
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelparker5478 🤣👍
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys! I acquired a broken frame and had intended on that being my 5k bike but it came up too fast lol. Can't complain!
@WOLFTICKVIDEOS
3 жыл бұрын
@@EvansMTBSaga We have been there🤣. Definitely a nice problem to have👍.
@eugene44569
3 жыл бұрын
I make a lot of comments on your videos and who usually replies to those comments. And who made this comment
This Hobby Is Definitely Expensive. The Bike Looks Nice.
When you were hitting the spindle with the hammer I thought men at work was about to start playing land down under
i was thinking to upgrade my breaks i currently have the MT200s but i want a little more breaking power and modulation should i get Deore or slx or something els i
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
I've only really messed with Shimano brakes. SLX brakes are the light version, meaning they break easily. Deore or Deore xt are good options
@fishrideandski4910
3 жыл бұрын
@@EvansMTBSaga ok thx
Any issues with chainline? The deore crankset is it for boost spacing?
So you are doing the reverse of a mullet. Which is short at the front and long at the back
Hey, I bought those marque grips you put on and within 1-2 months all of the grip was gone and now they’re completely smooth. Now using pnw grips and recommend them.
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
Oh dang really! That sucks to hear. I love color. Ive had the bar end get ripped off the PNW. Still searching for my favorite grips
@M3PH11
2 жыл бұрын
flangless DMR "Brendog" DeathGrips FTW everytime. I have a 2017 Vitus Escarpe Deore (custom) and a 2015 Fuji Nevada 1.4 29er (also fully custom). Both run the Brendogs and I will run them on any bike I own until DMR stop making them.
Extra slack hardtails make sense because the HA steepens as they compress, unlike full suss.
for removing the sqare taper kevcentral used a power drill to remove it. but only when it was skrewed on tight he said to use that method or if ur very weak
@EvansMTBSaga
3 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty sensitive area to be using a drill. If you cross thread the frame is done.
now I want to do this thanks for the info😅😅😅
I remeber getting a daimondback when i was a kid, we lived in a gated community and i was asked "can i ride your bike please?" By every second kid i rode past lol.
I think the reason the headset did not go in was due to mongoose oversight. You measured 55mm, where's 56 is the most common standard. The paint clearly shows that it is not a perfect circle, which will likely lead to creaking down the line. Mongoose should have machined down all the surfaces (or better- not painted them) after painting the bike. You could probably get your local machining shop to make the hole the correct size if you do get issues later on!
The Ardor looks like the grim donut now 😂
Please make a video on how you lace wheels
A bit like putting Lambo parts on a Camry, but I like your energy !!
How about a review of the upgraded bike??
is it possible to upgrade the hub from 135 to 142 thru axle?
wow the stock looked amasing
I bought one of these Walmart Mongoose MTBs, and it lasted 2 years of normal wear and tear (paved path riding a few times a month). They are POS's and parts are hard to find. I took it to a shop and they quoted me $500 for new derailluers! to include parts and labor or course. The adjustment screws/knobs on the grips are plastic and break easily, so I can only adjust half of the cassette. It looks brand new but runs like its 50 years old! Actually, older bikes are in better shape.
Why didn't you despite and resoke the stock ardor wheel and instead used the mythique wheel