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Great video. Touched on all the important points. My last home I had outfitted with the original Caseta system and loved it’s functionality. Just moved into a new house last last month and just got my last shipment of the new caseta switches to finish outfitting this whole house in the e new style. I gotta say I absolutely LOVE the new design on these switches. Much better looking with an almost undercover type look. Nobody would know they are smart switches if I didn’t tell them. A month in and so far I’m very pleased with both the dinners and standard switches.

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

Wonderful! Congrats on the new home, now with some great new smart switches.

@ItsLikeAShammy

Жыл бұрын

Seconding this! I moved into my first home in August and had always planned to kit my house with Lutron when it came time. The timing worked out pretty well that these switches were available as soon as I was ready to start installing Lutron in my home. I love how unassuming they look and the dimmer switches are much more intuitive than the older style

I have many Lutron dimmer switches in my house, not the wireless type, but they are just well made and reliable. I spent a week back at Lutron HQ back in the early 2000’s in a training class in PA. It was extremely informative and my group had a nice time there, staying In Bethlehem PA while in training.

6:33 I don’t understand this complaint. Did you not realize that you can move the scrubber while the light is off and then press the on button to turn the light on to the brightness level as indicated by the scrubber? You know, just like you would do with the dumb version of the Diva switch? If anything, if it worked the way you suggested, I would probably not buy it as I think the big upgrade with these switches is being able to adjust the brightness *before* turning on the light. Not something that can be done with the old model.

Great review of these new Lutron switches. I like both of your upgrade ideas, seems for the pricing Lutron would’ve thought of those features. New Pico switches too?

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Based on the Caseta Wireless website, it looks like a new Claro style pico is coming soon. We'll see...

I’m a caseta and hue fan and have been for over a decade but decided to try Leviton’s new line; please to report that they too are very reliable.

Great video, thank you. What happens if I already have three way dimmer switches that have neutrals can I use these to replace them? What would I do with the existing neutrals?

hi fellow Illinoisan! great review. hated the old lutron style but these traditional looking switches are much nicer imo. considering this or the innoveli switches for my place. i would prefer innoveli, but they're having stock issues so if i actually wanted to get a switch within the next few months it seems like these are a better bet.

Although I like the architecture and reliability, I avoided Lutron until recently. I didn't prefer the old button style, didn't like dimmers going to full bright with one click up (vs the now 2 clicks used in most good smart switches), and like the mech. dimmer bar provided that acts as preset level, yet can be overridden by smart commands if needed. I have most of the home's public switches on Zwave and Zigbee protocols, but I got a few of the new Diva dimmers which fixed the original issues I had with Caseta (outside of pricepoint). Also, an older house, it saved running power to those switch boxes for a neutral. While Eric mentioned that sliding the bar doesn't 'auto on' the light as well, this is equiv to traditional dumb dimmer functionality. The LED dimmer indicator could be a little longer since the manual slide partly obscures and obscures dimness level at quick glance; and maybe have more config options like other smart switches, but pleased with it, enjoy its speed of response, compatibility with my other hubs, and it works as intended. Cost to do a whole house would be my only deal-breaker against the new caseta models.

I replaced all of our existing caseta dimmers with these and love them, the only thing I’d like to see is matching picos so I don’t have to rewire my 3-ways

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

Nice!! Based on the website it looks like pico remotes are coming soon so you are probably in luck.

Lutron has lost their minds with the prices. They need to drop them by $15.

@akhosha2

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i just swapped out 18 switches in my house to the casetas. Over 1k 😢

@dougspry6278

Жыл бұрын

They were already priced way too high. 60 bucks for lutron caseta was ridiculous to begin with. Now the diva is priced higher. Why?

@SpartanBrass

Жыл бұрын

Don’t look at the RadioRA switch price

@jmlcolorado

Жыл бұрын

@@SpartanBrass no freakin huh

@downsouthlouisiana

Жыл бұрын

This is not for you buddy. Lutron works, period! $15 switches do not have a hub. By not having a hub you add multiple devices to the network. Also also when u dim multiple lights they wouldn't be in sync.

I like my paddle switches to be somewhat silent. I love my Lutron Caseta Diiva Switches

I’ve given Lutron way too much money for them not to be listening to their customers! I want a wireless Maestro style lightning switch. It truly is the perfect switch and they know it!

@GothicPotato2

Жыл бұрын

The Maestros really are the best switch out there. Kills me that for whatever reason Lutron refuses to make a 21st century smart version.

So at the beginning of the video, you mentioned the “clicking” noise of the og model. Doesn’t the Diva model make a clicking noise like a standard paddle switch?

Do you know of any smart light switches that can handle a 1200 W or greater load?

The double-whammy on the size of the dimmer and fitting it in the box is that the wires are all built-in, so you end up with a ton more wire to stuff in the box. Rather than just attaching the existing wires to the side screws like on a normal switch, I now have the wire hanging off of the dimmer (including the traveler I may not need) plus likely a wire nut for each. I've never been unable to make it work, but it would be so much easier if they'd just give us normal screws to attach the wires to. Maybe there's some technical reason they have to do this, but it's pretty frustrating.

I stuck with Insteon for years because I liked the simple paddle for dimming (hold to dim up/down). I wouldn't make the switch (pun intended) to Lutron because those dimmers just looked and felt so bad. Perhaps now is the time.

I love my Lutron Caseta switches but I’m at the point where I’m giving up on pairing them with LED bulbs. I know all about the compatibility app. I’ve spent hours combing over the results. I’ve tried several brands that people have confirmed are the “best.” From my experience, none of them are perfect. Some bulbs work most of the time but flicker on occasion. It got to the point that I thought my newer home was incorrectly wired but it’s not. Pop in some incandescents, flawless victory. Shame really, I want to use the more responsible, longer lasting LEDs… but the performance is just meh.

8:50 also the original style lights are green as are the picos and fan switches, but the new style are white. Super minor but when you have both next to each other it’s noticeable

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

Yes good point!

Thank you for the video. I did not clearly understand if this specific Diva dimmer requires a Lutron hub?

@hmurchison8123

Жыл бұрын

Use Lutron Bridge is required at least for setup. Once you've set it up you can actually disconnect the bridge if you don't need remote access or scheduled lighting

The reason I went with the Caséta switch is that my apartment doesn't use a neutral on their light switches and the OG Caséta was one on the only ways to get a smart switch to properly function.

Does anyone know if is it possible to use this switch with dimmer to use with yeelight lamps? I'd like to dimmerize them...

I upgraded a few of the original dimmers to the new Diva in places I don't care as much about 3-way dimming. Since there is a 75 device limit with the system, having picos in some location takes up space in the device count. Switching out a few devices and therefor removing the Pico has allowed me to add dimmers in other locations.

@griffindeluce

Жыл бұрын

Can you mix one with normal (dumb) 3 or 4 way switches and control w software without swapping smart switches into all 3 or 4?

@jeffreymayes907

Жыл бұрын

@@griffindeluce Not exactly sure what you're asking, but let me give a better example... I have an upstairs hallway that has 3 switch locations. I originally swapped out the standard US toggle switches of a Caseta dimmer (original model) and two Pico remotes. Problem is a Pico remote counts towards the 75 devises limit in Lutron. Since we never dim the lights in that hallway, but I still want control, replacing the original Lutron dimmer with the new Diva dimmer and putting back the 3-way and 4-way switch's in the other two locations freed up two devices that I can now use somewhere else in the house. I would not do this in all locations as there are many places I do want to be able to dim lights from all the locations on that circuit (dimmer & Pico combination). If I get your question, no you can not use a standard switch on a circut with the original Caseta dimmer because if someone flips the switch in the other location it will kill the power to the dimmer. With the original dimmers you are basically not using the wires in the the walls and your are using the Pico in the remote location. With the New Diva Caseta dimmer you need to do a wiring modification in the remote location to loop power back around so the dimmer does not loose power when that remote switch is used.

Does this connection to wifi with out the Hub? So it can be controlled thru App?

I stalled one of these a few months ago. Frustratingly, these are MLV dimmers so they make almost all LEDs hum. They list a dozen or so VERY specific lights that don’t buzz via their online comparability tool- but god forbid they just make this and ELV dimmer that would work with all LEDs… will not be buying more until ELV dimmers become an option. Did take them up on the Caseta Claro switches tho. No complaints there except the $$$$.

Glad they got rid of those stranded wires. We can use Wagos with them now.

Man, whats the Diva Dimmer? Im sold!

Have you tried the Leviton Smart Switches? No hub needed.

Sadly, I bought two of these and both were nonfunctional as smart switches. Neither had functioning leds on the dimmer lever. Both refused to be set to the Lutron Bridge nor could be reset. It almost feels like they accidentally packed non smart switches instead. SO I switched these two lights to the Caseta. EDIT: Strangely these Diva switches had those break off tabs.

Introducing Pico Line-Powered Wireless Control Lutron’s new Pico line-powered wireless control provides the same capability as a Pico wireless remote in projects that require battery-free wall controls. The line-voltage-powered device communicates wirelessly via RF to Vive wireless load-control devices including dimmers, switches, and fixture & receptacle controls.

The original version of the dimmer allows you to set a minimum brightness which can help with led bulb flicker

@estusflask982

Жыл бұрын

this also allows you to do that

I know most will disagree, but I like the old design. I like the flush look. The new design looks too much like the cheap switches builders put in every home. The old design gives off a more premium look in my opinion. Plus I already have about 20 in my home.

Biggest issue with these switches is they didn’t make pico remotes with the new design. Most of my switches are 3-4 way switches and no one wants two kinds of switches for the same light.

Can you mix one with normal (dumb) 3 or 4 way switches and control w software without swapping smart switches into all 3 or 4?

@griffindeluce

Жыл бұрын

Okay, Clarificarion 3 ways can use 1 smart and 2 dumb. 4 or more ways require 1 smart diva dimmer and all others use a Claro accessory switch.

I have a Lutron Caseta switch in a 3-way and am using a dumb Claro switch in this 3-way configuration. Can I replace the Claro dumb switch with this new Claro switch? Also, have you heard any word on when the Companion switch will be coming out to work in 4-way and higher light circuits?

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure about having two smart switches like that in a 3 way. You should be able to replace your existing Caseta switch with a Claro style one to match the non-smart switch style though.

@Polkster13

Жыл бұрын

@@EricWelander Well, I guess I could just use the new companion switch on my existing three-way switches that don't use a dimmer. I only have one 3-way switch that is on a dimmer and I used the Lutron Caseta PD-10NXD-WH dimmer switch with a Lutron Claro CA-3PS-WH for the other side (to just turn on and off the light, the dimmer controls the brightness). This is for a Ceiling Fan light. I am wondering if I can replace the Claro CA-3PS-WH with the new companion switch when it is eventually released. Do you think that will be possible? Or should I use the new Lutron Claro switch to replace the original Claro switch?

1:19 worried about the outdated design of the switch while that wall needs a lot of help😂

You mentioned at the top that Lutron required a hub but did not elaborate. I’m not familiar with Lutron - so I’m wondering, does the new version also require a hub? Is it thread compatible for HomeKit?

@estusflask982

Жыл бұрын

all Lutron products require a hub for smart control

@user-mb3mx3xe1y

Жыл бұрын

Lutron is compatible with HomeKit. I doubt that it uses thread though

I've checked the new version in home depot yesterday, doesn't the dimmer stay where was it left after turning them on?

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

Yes it does! That's a great detail that I didn't mention in the video.

@paul9387

Жыл бұрын

@Eric Welander I have 50 caseta switches picos all together, nothing can beat lutron, even the new lutron lol

One important difference between the original dimmers and the new dimmers is the ramp rate. The original dimmers had a slower and more pleasant ramp rate; these new ones ramp on and off way too quickly in my opinion.

@chipburns4123

Жыл бұрын

The slow ones are horrible. Im a worker and dont have time for that!

I have had the old style, original, extensively in my last home. Worked flawlessly, phenomenal system however, my biggest complaint was three way lights. I’m glad to see they are working on this. My new home I’ve delayed installing them waiting on this new updated version. I am having trouble finding inventory of these new switches. I’ll have to check again and see if they’re now readily available. Very much looking forward to installing them.😊

@jasong70

Жыл бұрын

Same… I did not want to rely on the pico remote, I prefer it using a traveller wire for 3way

@ericknee9184

Жыл бұрын

I have the same issue with 3-way installs. I tried the Eve 3rd gen and had so many issues I ended up returning them. Lutron and pico were good but not preferred. I really want a good 3 way switch and a dual switch in a single gain smart switch.

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

Daniel I hope you can find some local stock soon. Yes I agree Eric a single gang dual paddle switch like Aqara makes would be nice to see in more places. Personally I've gone with pico remotes for my three way switches but I agree it kinda feels like a hack vs actual switches on either end.

4:50 Electrical codes need to change in order to demand new construction put in deeper electrical boxes.

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

In the meantime, we need shallower / thinner smart switches!

With the new dimmer, since it has a physical control/slider for the dimmer, what happens if the slider is at 90% and you change the light in the app to 20%?

@estusflask982

Жыл бұрын

The light bar goes to 20%

@AlanSLambert

Жыл бұрын

@@estusflask982 Thanks for the reply - Here is what I'm trying to understand, lets say the slider is at 90% and the light is at 90%, using the app you change it to 20%, the light changes to 20% but the slider stays at 90%. Now you move the slider from 90% to 80% - Does the light jump to 90 then slow fade to 80%? or does it just slow fade from 20% to 80%?

Can you still use the app to adjust the brightness

@estusflask982

Жыл бұрын

yes

I just can't get used to the terrible mushy buttons on any of these. When this new Diva line launched, I was optimistic it would feel like a traditional rocker. Still no. I returned everything. I just don't get it. Why can't a $70 rocker switch come close to the feel of even the cheapest dumb switches?

The never ending 11 minute docu-drama about a switch.

My home had a low voltage switching system that died shortly after we bought the house. We replaced it with Lutron caseta switches and remotes. I absolutely hate the switches. It's way too hard to find the right buttons when it's dark, and I've never figured out what the dimple does.

We replaced a few light switches for a remodel last year. The original caseta switches are really ugly and I hate the fade-in/out. At the time that's all that was available. I decided to go with Sunnata and RadioRA3 instead. With Divas available, I might have gone the Caseta route

@hmurchison8123

Жыл бұрын

RadioRa 3 was a good choice. The one thing my wife really liked was how our Caseta Pico could have a preset on the middle button which we used to dim the main floor cans really low in the eventing. The Ra3 Keypads are that 4x. This is why I don't care so much about dimming sliders because ive found I don't use them I tend to stick with presets that we love.

@philipphanslovsky5101

Жыл бұрын

@@hmurchison8123 RadioRA3 works great for me. It's just a little annoying that you have to jump through hoops to get the software and buy the switches. I still use the pico for wireless 3-way switches in places where I didn't have the wiring. I wish Lutron had a pico-like remote control that's more aligned with the Sunnata looks. Definitely considering adding keypads to some rooms. I am only hesitating because of the price tag

My biggest concern about buying these is that they don’t look like they fit standard UK back boxes.

@EricWelander

Жыл бұрын

Understandable but something I don't know. Maybe someone else will see this who knows more about UK boxes and these switches.

"No strings attached" - except the obvious/implicit risk that you won't get any more if they don't like what you say, which leads to likely conscious or unconscious bias. Reviewers who I trust) review BUY their products. that said, your review was useful on usability - switching on to 100% is a dealbreaker for me - imagine in a bedroom, you want a dim light so you or your partner aren't blinded at night... you have to go to 100% first ???

@Brimstin

Жыл бұрын

No, that's the benefit of the fader on the right. If you don't want to blind your partner at night, make sure the fader is low before switching it on. This is precisely why Lutron didn't make the lights instantly turn on whenever the fader is touched--because accidental bumps would turn the lights on and would be a huge annoyance at night.

@jacklewis100

Жыл бұрын

@@Brimstin guess I misunderstood

Why can I only find these on ebay?

@estusflask982

Жыл бұрын

They are only at Home Depot

Looks like Inovelli switches

The Sunnata is the only non smart dinner worth having.

Use Wago man

No, the lights wont turn off now.

I wish Lutron would adapt matter. I want to use their products but the hub is a concern for me.

@danieldorchester5221

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been all in on Apple for over 10 years. The Lou Tron hub for me was flawless. I agree with you. They need to adopt matter. However, I think a lot of things are coming to the smart homes in the next five years and at some point, you have to take the plunge. I feel confident that Lutron we’ll have decent compatibility down the road

@ericknee9184

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. My issue is the hubs add another thing to my already expansive network. I’m waiting for hub-less solution :). Ive tried Lutron, Eve and a few others and by far Lutron has been the best in terms of reliability.

@philgiordano2919

Жыл бұрын

The Lutron Hub with their Clear Connect technology is what makes the system so robust. I don’t see them changing that anytime soon.

@BrandonDoyleMN

Жыл бұрын

Agreed with Phil, also they integrate with basically everything

@jbponzi1

Жыл бұрын

Lutron is listed as part of the Matter Alliance. Perhaps next weeks CES will have Lutron show their roadmap.

That traveler for the dimmer is hands down a stupid decision. The whole point of smart switches is to be able to control lights remotely. When the brightness level in the app doesn’t match the switch it is a problem. For 70$ a pop they could have made a touch sensitive area or some other solution.

@progression_decibel

Жыл бұрын

They do, they make the Sunnata-style dimmer (touch) but only in the higher lines like RadioRA 3 and Homeworks. If Lutron eventually makes a Sunnata dimmer in the Caseta wireless lineup they can take all my money lol.

SMART switches, dumb wire nuts😂😂😂

I do not know about the NEW options, but the options they have offered prior, DO NOT work with certain High Efficiency LED lights. The lights would be ON ALL the time, every single second. Which I found super annoying.

@StoneInMySandal

Жыл бұрын

That’s a function of the lights though.

Matter or Thread support? that ship is sailing without them.

As an electrician, these things have always sucked

no go kasa.pricepoint,great app,no sepeate hub needed,multiple switch configurations