Play War Thunder now through my link, and get a massive, free bonus pack including vehicles, boosters and more: playwt.link/skallagrim2023 So what type of weapon do you think makes the most sense for characters with superhuman strength?

@Cyberjyuubi

10 ай бұрын

Probably a sword that was made of some really dense metal like Iridium or Osmium. You would get the weight and durability without comprising to much on the thickness and this retain the cutting power.

@PaMuShin

10 ай бұрын

I would say it depends, history has a lot to offer, if you look at hercules paintings where he used young trees in his own hight cut off as a club, or the types of halbards like Zhang eight snake spear or the like. A knight was usually trained in different weapons according to use and situation, just because of super strength a warrior cannot limit himself. Sadly i cannot refernce the medieval wood cut where an army is seen fighting a snake the size of a small house pretty similiar to a Titanoboa, although snakes usually are slow they can be incredibly fast while in fighting mode, i can imagine a sturdy blade or halbard the only option fighting such a beast and survive if taken on the right spot in the right moment, can hardly push a mace on the soft inside of snake mouth in their brain or through the snake eye. Well glad these dinosaur remnants/gods did not survive in our time. Still russians seem to fight ussuri brown bears 1,500 lbs strong with baseball bats on a hard winter with not much to eat, so it still stays a classic for strong characters.

@PaMuShin

10 ай бұрын

Counter-question> what weapon do you choose, if you had to fight an armored rhino the persian army is sending your way like in the movie 300?

@allwehadtodowasfollowtheda3061

10 ай бұрын

No

@Tomtit_Andy

10 ай бұрын

Russian war game, while Russia waging war in Europe threatening to put whole world to ashes????? Thanks, but no. Definitely no.

Maybe we're focusing on the wrong thing here. Perhaps the benefit of super-strength isn't being able to wield a massive weapon, but being able to move normally in massive armor.

@Kevin80237

10 ай бұрын

You make a great point

@name-dh3kg

10 ай бұрын

berserker armor 😈

@Sableagle

10 ай бұрын

Henry VIII's armour for the Field of Cloth of Gold, but made of 7 mm AR500 steel?

@Skallagrim

10 ай бұрын

Yup, that would definitely be an advantage.

@Appletank8

10 ай бұрын

Consider pedal powered medieval tank

Something that messes with this is the square cube law. You can’t just scale things up proportionally and have them work the same.

@saawysorenson4585

10 ай бұрын

The same reason small guys will make 20 pull ups like its nothing and them trashtalk you...

@Kevin80237

10 ай бұрын

@@saawysorenson4585 yup🤣

@neonbelly4

10 ай бұрын

@@saawysorenson4585 20 pull ups is impressive even for a 50 kg guy

@Squizziles

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@saawysorenson4585what’s your definition of small? Could smash 20 pull ups at 50kg and could still do the same at 80kg without routinely working out or lifting at work. At just shy of 6 ft and currently 65 odd kgs I’d have to assume you’re talking about midgets or fat bodies 😂😂

@Specter_1125

10 ай бұрын

@@Squizzilesmost people, even in decent shape, can’t do 10.

Swords are kinda unique in that regard. With any other weapon be it spear or axe or a mace if you encounter armored opponent you're encouraged to just strike harder. With the sword you can't transfer strength to power with same ratio, so it's more nimble weapon for striking weak spots and finding gaps in the armor. So with swords i guess agility would be more important than strength. If you're strong just take something that's heavier on the other end.

@512TheWolf512

10 ай бұрын

There's this cool thing called a "guillotine" and it's used to day industrially to cut off metal to size from a billet. Now, reconsider your statement with the video topic in mind

@lucabutter4218

10 ай бұрын

There are some thrusting weapons abre to pierce through armours

@ArifRWinandar

10 ай бұрын

The giant swords are usually used like a sword-shaped axe anyway. Nobody who uses giant swords use them like actual swords.

@PrettyHateMachining

10 ай бұрын

@@ArifRWinandar 100% correct. I always call my creations Sword Shaped Axes. They're even sharpened like axes, a traditional delicate edge like a sword would have, would get folded on the first hit.

@Mrtheunnameable

10 ай бұрын

If you have super strength the weapon doesn't actually matter because you can just smash through things anyway with a slab of metal, so you might as well make the slab of metal look like a sword because swords are cool.

My take is simple: If your character is strong enough to sling around a slab of steel that has to weigh at least 40 pounds, you could probably go ahead and use an obscenely high draw-weight warbow and have the power of a modern sniper rifle.

@Kevin80237

10 ай бұрын

Dark souls greatbows?

@Cassandra112

10 ай бұрын

that was Shad's take. giant's and dwarves should be using bows.

@steelwasp9375

10 ай бұрын

The bows have a limit, in the material strength. I think an obscenely powerful bow, human size, must be spring steel limbs, a cable string, and metal arrows. And the weight of the arrows must be scaled appropriately, so as to avoid diminishing returns of using high power over a low draw distance. Maybe just give a dude an autocannon.

@PJDAltamirus0425

10 ай бұрын

.....Still need a backup weapon, not a giant sword, but strength doesn't fix the problem of bunk or charge time. Unles tou want your bowman his bow as a melee weapon.

@darthplagueis13

10 ай бұрын

Not sure if such bows would work well. After all, you need to balance flexibility against resistance, otherwise the thing is just going to snap instead of being drawn back.

I love that you brought up the Kanabo, because it's immediately where my mind went at the start of the video. Fun fact, some japanese folklore stories involve Oni (demons/ogres) with giant kanabo made of solid iron. Very fitting!

@robertagu5533

10 ай бұрын

Wonder if the Ogre there using a be it fancy, but STILL, a club thing is intentional rather then just a cliche

@Interrobang212

10 ай бұрын

@@robertagu5533 Oni are depicted with a variety of weapons, but the Kanabo has an iconic look, and makes sense for a brutish creature to use.

@christopherknorr2895

10 ай бұрын

Having the mass and strength to wield a full steel kanabo as nimbly as a sword would make you a terror, especially in full armor. You would easily Sauron your way through any armored foe. I'd recommend making the Kanabo as long as possible, extending out 8 to 9 feet past the hands, to be able to contend with normal sized spears

@robertagu5533

10 ай бұрын

@@christopherknorr2895 so less a battle club as a studded battle staff then

@xxXXRAPXXxx

10 ай бұрын

GET OFF MA MOUNTAIN !! - Said the Oni calmly grabbing his Kanabo.

So you need a character with superhuman strength with superhuman mass and a weapon made from supernatural alloy on a world with supernatural physics. Seems doable.

@jurtheorc8117

10 ай бұрын

i'd say "War from Darksiders feels called", but considering what happens if the Horsemen arrive if they hear a call, i'd uh, i'd rather not have that happen yet. but he ticks all the boxes, for as a Nephilim and thus born from the mingled dust of angel and demon, he has -Superhuman strength -most likely superhuman mass and considering the nature of Nephilim-forged weapons and all the supernatural elements in the Darksiders universe as a whole, he's got the second half figured out too. Of course, when arriving on earth there's presumably normal physics to account for again (to a degree). But considering Chaoseater's magical capacities and that it literally feeds itself on violence, there's most likely some form of supernatural force at play that allows Chaoseater to, up to a certain degree, play by its own rules. Plus, that sword has a simple yet very nicely decorated design.

@512TheWolf512

10 ай бұрын

We've got tanks and gigantic naval cannons, bro. Material strength isn't asuch of a problem as you think

@gabrieldias3479

10 ай бұрын

@@jurtheorc8117 That's some fantastic reasoning there, my good sir! Now Skald has to make a video analysing Darksiders very thoroughly!

@gabrieldias3479

10 ай бұрын

@@512TheWolf512 Are you comparing cannons and tanks with a sword with a flimsy handle and a huge blade, like the Buster sword or the sword used by Gatts (Berserk)?

@treeherder42

10 ай бұрын

Sounds like 40k. Superhumans with extra size and strength fighting with weapons made of near if not magical materials on various worlds with differing gravity.

I had never considered the durability of regular materials when thinking about using weapons with super strength. That's an interesting point to think about. And like others have said, I definitely think a warbow would be an excellent choice for super strength. Doesn't even necessarily have to be more powerful than the strongest bows we already have, more strength would mean drawing it more easily and consistently without getting tired as quickly.

@joshuarendleman7297

10 ай бұрын

There's a webcomic I read years ago that in one of the early pages someone brought up if you are strong enough to pick up and hit someone with a car that you'd hit them harder with your fist purely because of reduced surface area

@sapateirovalentin348

10 ай бұрын

Also guts in berserk was originally given a reasonably sized sword by the blacsmith until he near instantly broke it against a large monster and find the dragon slayer laying arond,eventually finishing the fight with it,realilising he truly needed something that tough for his adventure

@katherinespezia4609

10 ай бұрын

As always, the real answer with super strength/materials/etc is never "what melee weapon is best", it's "how can I use this to shoot people better".

@atlas4733

10 ай бұрын

It reminds me of the insane bows shardplate (magic power suit) users use in storm light archive.

@CowCommando

10 ай бұрын

How about being able to reload a windlass crossbow sans windlass? You don't even have to change the technology at all to accommodate the superhuman.

😄 The tetsubo is one of my favorite melee weapons. Somehow, despite the bulk, the samurai of Japan were very effective using the tetsubo, and it was considered a "samurai weapon".

@johnmiller2689

10 ай бұрын

As a samurai weapon, it was called a kanabō, and there are photos of them posing with the weapon.

@thisdude9363

10 ай бұрын

​@@johnmiller2689Its very likely most kanabo used in combat weren't all that heavy. Maybe five to six pounds max. Let's be real, how long could you effectively wield something that weighs 11 or more pounds like some claim in active combat? Not long. As far as it being a Samurai weapon, I mean so were guns. Some people get really shocked to learn Samurai just shot people sometimes, lmao.

@jurtheorc8117

10 ай бұрын

it's a cool thing that deserves more spotlight beyond an idea of a brutishly swung bashing stick. While it *is* a bashing stick, like most maces and clubs, there's more potential for finesse than most people realize. I hope to produce one of my stories sometime in which someone uses a variety of maces (specifically a flanged mace, goedendag and a kanabo they were gifted from visitors from overseas), but while not a trained fighter, they learn to do exactly that: use the simple bashing sticks in more skilled ways beyond dumb bashing.

@maxpavlovsky

10 ай бұрын

Such concept isn't unique. Western people have spiked baseball bat, that is roughly the same design

@tresenie

10 ай бұрын

@@jurtheorc8117 The goedendag is also a stabbing weapon giving it even more varaiety in the movements.

I would argue that giant swords like Guts’s dragon slayer are just slabs of metal, so practically hammers already, just also with an . . . “Edge”.

@0ptera

10 ай бұрын

The description of the dragon slayer even states that it is basically just a slab or raw iron.

@_Seileach

10 ай бұрын

"It was too big to be called a sword. Massive, thick, heavy, and far too rough. Indeed, it was a heap of raw iron."

@phillipmargrave

3 ай бұрын

A slab of iron with an edge… so it’s an axe

If you could swing a giant piece of metal like a tiny one because you're super strong, go for the big one everytime! LOL

Skal, it would be AWESOME if you did a colab with one of those strongest man competitors. You could actually test how some weapons are handled by someone considerably stronger and heavier than the average soldier. "Strongest man vs average Joe on a zombie apocalipse". Best regards

@scottmacgregor3444

10 ай бұрын

Ideally he would get two of them. One like Hooper or Novikov, who are crazy strong for their size, and another, like Shaw or Bjornsson who are just flat out massive men. It would be interesting to contrast and compare. There is a video of Robert Oberst messing around with one of those ridiculous Mjolinr builds, but that's unrealistically heavy.

@rafaelferes4362

10 ай бұрын

Do you think Dave Baptista would be enough? I heard the guy is really easy going and that might facilitate a colab

@scottmacgregor3444

10 ай бұрын

@rafaelferes4362 He's a BIG fit guy, but Bautista isn't really a strength athlete. It would be less ideal, but still interesting to see.

@DH-xw6jp

10 ай бұрын

​@@rafaelferes4362check out one of Demolition Ranch's older video where he got a Strong Man (i think Robert Oberst) to swing the Buster sword he had.

If you had a real life character with 5 or 6 times human strength the ideal weapon would be a 4 foot long round section 28mm diameter spring steel rod with a hand guard. What else would you ever need? Enemies need their brains on the *inside* of their skulls to function.

@j.f.fisher5318

10 ай бұрын

Like Geralt v. Vilgafortz. That said I like the idea of a more robust version of Zulu shields with the central pole turned into a halberd.

@DH-xw6jp

10 ай бұрын

Ick. Imagine the hand shock of hitting something with a heavy spring steel rod.

@vipertwenty249

10 ай бұрын

@@DH-xw6jp If it's something nice and soft and yielding like somebody's helmet it should be fine - just don't wallop the concrete floor!

@anderoo9260

3 ай бұрын

@@vipertwenty249 there is a reason why handles are not entirely round. Circle crossection handle is much better with transferring vibrations so worse for the wielder. Make it more rectangular, might as well add a bit of an edge to the rest of it, it would be pretty good.

My favorite is when the relatively small person with superhuman strength uses a giant weapon, and they actually use the fact it weighs almost as much as them to their advantage. Like in Monster Hunter, when you use your entire body as a fulcrum to pivot the weapon and follow the momentum into a sort of cartwheel to build up more power.

@derrinerrow4369

9 ай бұрын

May from the Guilty Gear series also does that with her weapon being an Anchor that is bigger than her.

@ZyvenZ

9 ай бұрын

Reminds me of record of Ragnarok Thor. In that series, mjolnir is a person-sized hammer. (The 'handle' has a second, smaller handle for actual grabbing.) He throws it for it to gain momentum and then pulls something similar to what you mentioned.

Even in our LARP adventures we have barbarians that claim extreme strength (most of them really look like it too), they regularly prefer hammers, axes and siege weapons, swords are just not part of their fighting style.

@P3x310

10 ай бұрын

Siege weapons? Now that's an interesting thought. Do you have a juggernaut walking around with a battering ram, or a ripped-off ballista?

@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei

10 ай бұрын

@@P3x310 I know barbarians usually don't wear armor at all, but I just imagine one in plate armor that is shaped in a similar manner to modern special forces armor using something that's similar to a modern enforcer battering ram.

@Theorak

10 ай бұрын

@@P3x310 Yakk is his name, he is a huge guy and he can use the siege ram as a club.^^ His hammer has this cool dragon's tooth as head.

@P3x310

10 ай бұрын

@@Theorak sounds like an amazing lad. My salutations to Mr. Yakk and his big stick of Door-No-More.

@Dowlphin

10 ай бұрын

Berserker sees Roman legion: "How are they gonna sustain a fight with only one throwing knife each?"

If anyone wants a semi-realistic demonstration, I recommend Rurouni Kenshin. The character Sanosuke has a massive sword and Kenshin's fight with him is awesome.

That War Thunder sponsorship is rather unexpected.....but welcome from a channel like this

@Therrin6675

10 ай бұрын

I'm glad when creators like this can get a sponsor. KZread doesn't care about them unfortunately.

@King.Leonidas

10 ай бұрын

​@@Therrin6675it's because war thunder thinks this is there market. i would to if i was them

@manulejambon

10 ай бұрын

I don't mind sponso. I sure he is not trill. I rather see the channel continue with good financing

Skallagrim, have you ever seen the new compressed wood that a American University custom made? They used a chemical process, compressed it, has the strength of steel, light as wood. It's pretty amazing, you can pre-form it into the shape you want. Imagine the Kanabo with a more reasonable thinner hand grip that was as strong as a Steel Rod. You could probably hollow out the base of the Kanabo to include some Silicone or Rubber Shock Absorbers so you feel next to no reverberation on impact.

@Skallagrim

10 ай бұрын

I might have seen something like that... ;) kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqOVtbaomqWvkps.html

Well, to be fair: Weapons ins Monster Hunter are meant to cut monsters that have skin that regular metal has difficulty cutting through. As such they are also created from tougher materials that can withstand superhuman strenght

@h0m3st4r

10 ай бұрын

At the same time, the monster hunters aren't so much swinging their weapons around as much as they're fumbling over themselves and hanging on to their weapons for dear life.

@MrSamulai

10 ай бұрын

But first you need to explain why everyone insists on fighting such monsters in melee, despite guns being a thing.

@endymionduni5683

10 ай бұрын

@@h0m3st4r That is true XD But i was just focusing on the material aspect, not the combat

@kangmintaid3970

10 ай бұрын

​@@MrSamulaimaybe because they trying to protect the gunner

@MrSamulai

10 ай бұрын

@@kangmintaid3970 Best protection for a sniper is another sniper. They obviously wouldn't balance the game like that, but...

What I really like about Cloud is how he swings his entire body with the sword. Super strong or not that heavy sword is gonna move you, so he just moves with it.

This video was actually pretty interesting. I’m writing a sci fi universe and within it there are for simplicity sake, supersoldiers. I decided that despite having enhanced strength instead of carrying larger weapons they’d carry heavy combat hatchets. I always thought it was more practical for an operative than carrying a sword, but now there’s some decent science behind why I chose wisely.

The whole superhuman mass/density thing was actually a thing in Azarinth Healer, a story in which the main character winds up fist fighting with things several, many, all the times larger than her own human body, some of her ability gains makes her body more dense (her strength increasing to compensate) so she can put more oomph behind her punches and not get knocked around like a leaf in a hurricane.

The cube square law was well covered already, but I have to point out that there is no level of strength that will overcome inertia and mass. Even if you were strong enough that you felt the same resistance from a war hammer that a normal person does an arming sword, the hammer would still not move in the same ways as a sword will, you would have to counterweight the head to move the center of mass to the same distance from the hand.

@solarissv777

10 ай бұрын

There is a way to trick inertia: center of mass, that moves. Make a steel kanabo with a hollow tube in the upper (hexagon) part, put a lead weight inside, so that it would move towards the upper part, when swung, and lower - when pulled back

@warpdriveby

10 ай бұрын

@@solarissv777 That is a fascinating idea, very interesting! It would lend itself to a staff, but might be also increase the performance of an axe or polearm like a glaive or halberd. The issue is going to be how robust a tube can be made and still be wielded, once it has more mass or enough is far from the center, the wielder they're gonna get pulled along with it! ...unless they let go. You'd have to some how be anchored into the ground to avert a "ride".

The way I imagine the magic of Thor's hammer to work is that those who are worthy are not impacted by the weight/density of the hammer. To everyone else the hammer is absurdly heavy and hits with extreme force while the user doesn't even notice the weight. Which also makes sense why characters who are not worthy but extremely strong can lift the hammer.

@hypsin0

20 күн бұрын

Doesn't Thor have a magical belt to do this weight negation for him? Or... are you talking about the Marvel version of Thor?

@Vieyram

19 күн бұрын

@@hypsin0 The Marvel version.

counter point: if you shape a giant sword "properly" it basically IS a big metal club with a wedge on the front. Very durable and yet focuses the impact more than a simple round object. think of a hexagon shape, but slightly elongated. It also carries more mass than an axe, because the entire length is thick. which might be desirable if you are really strong. its also more durable than an axe, which isn't all one piece, but rather is mounted to a thin pole. also, you get a nice huge metal shield. and finally, cutting area is nice and long so if someone closes the gap on you. (passing where the tip of the axe would want to land) you still can hit them with a nice hard edge.

@logandunlap9156

10 ай бұрын

you can do all of that if it’s just a big metal club though. the metal club is probably easier to make and certainly to maintain too. i’m not sure shields are an issue if you’re wielding something of this nature anyways and if you want to focus the impact, a studded club does that just fine. if you do manage to cut into something with a big ass sword, good fucking luck retrieving it. it’s not gonna cut through a whole man, it’ll get stuck in their sinew and bones and shit. that’s enough of a pain in the ass, forget about how heavy the damn thing is. club goes bonk and as soon as you get control over the swing again, you’re ready to bonk again

@SuperLemonfish

10 ай бұрын

@@logandunlap9156 a round club is easier to make, yes. but most of the rest you said is wrong. a studded club will not focus impact as well as a wedge. thats why people use wedges to split wood and not studded clubs. it focuses the entire mass on one edge, and can penetrate deeper. but dont forget, a wedge is NOT a blade. they aren't sharp, they are not narrow. they are therefore MUCH more durable. again imagine a perfect hexagon shape, and then just slightly stretch it. thats the shape im talking about. its not gonna really cut anything, but it will be so heavy it will smash and split basically anything. absolutely not going to get stuck in bone. the bone will be shattered. and a shield is useful. a weapon like this likely requires 2 hands. so if a volley of arrows is launched at you, having a broad slab of metal to hide behind is great! a round club would simply not have the surface area to be effective for that.

@logandunlap9156

10 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@SuperLemonfishmissed my whole damn point obviously a stud isn’t going to focus as much as a wedge, but that’s what flanges are for. if we’re going by the rules of “realistic” giant swords, the sword would need to be more like a blade than a wedge in order to be swung around. it’d just be too heavy. if that’s not the case and we’ve got someone with super strength carrying the thing around, sure. he’s gonna be cutting through everyone like butter and it’s not gonna be any less effective than hitting someone with a blunt weapon with the same destructive force. same goes for the shield thing. if they’re super inhumanly strong, i’m not sure arrows are gonna bother them anyways. if they are normal, then yeah i can see the sword being a better option for defending against arrows. but at the end of the day, a giant flanged/studded club just seems more practical than a sword that has all these issues at that scale. also, bones are tough as fuck and the human body is made of a bunch of layered tissues and shit. a blade that size is gonna get slowed down significantly by flesh, especially after piercing armor, assuming it can.

@SuperLemonfish

10 ай бұрын

@@logandunlap9156 you didn't say flanges though. that not my fault. btw, typical flanges also cannot penetrate as deep, dont focus the force as much, and will not be as durable. Also, a mace like that wouldn't have a long striking area, and wouldn't make a good shield. it lacks many of the benefits. Im speaking from the point of view that a human with super strength, aroused 5x or so, is wielding it. bones aren't gonna do shit to that kind of power. also: being strong =/= resistant to arrows. but also even if they are resistant, what if the arrows are shot from stronger bows, to specifically counter superhumans?

@tillmen4444

9 ай бұрын

​@@SuperLemonfishso basically dragonslayer😂

What if instead of Super Strength the weight of the weapon itself only felt lower / weightless while in the hands of it's wielder? Kind of like Thor's Mjolnir. How different would the physics applied be when swung around effortlessly?

Zweihanders & Claymore Swords aside, one has to wonder: when Edge becomes Wedge with such mass & weight backing it, does Slash damage become Blunt Force damage instead? I was reminded of that episode of Modern Rogue where they were introduced to Montante. I can see how it could be used for Area Denial, but Fight Choreography in most depictions are rarely like that.

When you mention how even with lots of strength the sword will still get damaged reminded me of a panel from Berserk. _"Damn Guts you sure know how to make a blacksmith cry."_ Hanarr

This was a great short take on an interesting topic. Would love a follow up video that goes deeper into what category or types of weapons would work better.

I had the same conclusion before with kanabō, as it is basically made specifically for that purpose. I'd like to add that super strength doesn't just fall on the category of just having strong major muscles, durability and heavier body. It's simply stronger physiques overall, including grip strength. So, about the issue with the handle, wouldn't be an issue for someone with super strength. The person, depending on the situation, could just grip the handle so hard that his/her fingers would dig into the handle itself.

For some reason I like the idea of a super-powered human with a really heavy sword doing a wicked long draw or push cut. He traps you with a sword that’s basically just too heavy for you to even shift on your own and then just casually cuts through you like a sausage.

I like the idea that a superhuman with a large sword would use the momentum of it to their advantage. Like literally having th fact that’s winging the sword would drag them as their fighting style

The light novel/manga all you need is kill actually talks about this. They use giant axes in tandom with mech suits to fight the alien monsters. The weight of the axe head and the leverage it gives is about the most efficient way to crack the aliens exoskeleton.

Something like the buster sword is probably more of a blunt weapon than a cutting weapon, it wouldn't really need a sharp edge at all. It's also a very unbalanced weapon, so it'd require a lot of mass on the users part in order to wield it. It'd probably make more sense in the hands of Barret than it does Cloud. It's the sort of weapon I could see in the hands of Warhammer 40k soldiers, because they all have massive bodies and armor. Smaller characters though, would need something more balanced.

@512TheWolf512

10 ай бұрын

Cough guillotine cough

@TheLithp

10 ай бұрын

To be fair, its prominence often leads people to forget that the Buster Sword is Cloud's worst weapon. His other swords (& also one nail bat) are a little less ridiculous. Until we get to Advent Children, anyway.

@Bowen_Landry

10 ай бұрын

@@TheLithp no need to wait till Advent children, Ultima weapon is up to bat lol.

@matthemming9105

10 ай бұрын

Oh god, it would be a giant, slow moving yet unstoppable wedge. You wouldn't be sliced, so much as pinched in two.

@Force-Multiplier

10 ай бұрын

It doesn't make ANY sense on Barret and it doesn't need mass in its verse 😮‍💨 power/energy in VII comes from Mako so that fighter *DOES NOT* need the user to have mass because the user can effectively make up for it the video also fucked up from the start when it said that it being a cutting weapon wasn't useful when it's entirely the opposite since if you're Cloud you're not worried about being able to harm a human you're worried about harming a 1000-10000KG Monster or Machine with who knows what type of armor protection with enough capability to withstand explosions and lasers so cutting power matters *a lot* (so long as your weapon is durable enough)

The classic representation of Heracles/Hercules as a huge guy with a big stick pretty much summarizes what the optimal weapon for a superhuman would be. Like, why would you even need something sharp at that point?

@asdergold1

10 ай бұрын

Nemean Lion.

I love the backdrop on this one, just a lot of beautiful pieces, The jian, short messer, long messer, skalchion etc...

My counter: it would just shift how we look at weapons. Swords/rapiers function like daggers now, and great swords/maces/axes act like swords and ultra great swords like great swords. Daggers end up in a super odd place since they would be so outclassed by length. Basically, how nimble and quick you can just shifts up.

@Asertix357

10 ай бұрын

If you have that much physical strength you wouldn't need a dagger, you could just punch your finger through someone's ribcage.

@KaiKrimson56

9 ай бұрын

So basically, a Strength Build in a Souls game?

Another huge question is how much a sword would actually benefit from a super-strong user. At a certain level of strength, you'll cut right through your target, and being any stronger would not increase the effectiveness of the cut - you can't really chop a dragon MORE in half. A strong user might be able to make the weapon more nimble, like Skall said, but I think there's a cap on how nimble you could be with a sword, too.

@Yang-ob4lk

10 ай бұрын

Instead of increasing the size of the blade, you should just add more blades

@felipesouza88

2 ай бұрын

stronger oponents.

Out of big swords, I wish rhomphaias and bills were more popular (yes, the bill is more known as a polearm, but there are 12th-13th century depictions of greatsword-esque bills).

@bodkin7841

10 ай бұрын

Mind linking the sword bills

@Ake-TL

10 ай бұрын

@@bodkin7841I assume it’s like Falx

@seidmadr2024

10 ай бұрын

Oh, similar to the Aruval of southern India and Sri Lanka?

I always had the mental picture of something like Clouds sword working, but completely differently than portrayed. Guy has superhuman strength, so he can lift it, sure, but momentum and the conservation thereof is still a thing. He can lift it, slam it down, but full swings would carry the user through to a ridiculous degree. Super strength doesn't mean much when the follow-through literally takes you off your feet, lol. I'm imagining a mix of swinging a giant meat cleaver, but getting taken along for the ride like MCU Thor gets pulled around by Mjolnir.

@PJDAltamirus0425

10 ай бұрын

Basically half fencing and half ballet, with a ton of defensive actions and statgetic movement. Can't exactly combo or bet terribly aggressive with it.

@KaiKrimson56

9 ай бұрын

I think something like Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak's Surge Slash combos for the Greatsword would be how it could be used.

@Tasorius

9 ай бұрын

Unless different worlds have different physics, and those silly rules do not apply...

I like to think that "swords" like Cloud's Breaker Blade or Gut's Dragonslayer just have sword like elements as decoration and are more just gigantic clubs.

@Tasorius

9 ай бұрын

Giant clubs that can cut massive demons in half...

The thing is, with super strength, anything becomes a weapon. At 5 times human average, a sword is still viable (provided you're still going up against biologicals), as the forces generated are still within the tolerance of steel, just more maintenance needed. At 10X, you would need something more robust than steel, or you would have to make adjustments to the sword, making it thicker, more robust. At twenty times, you're talking about slicing through a human longways with a butter knife with the forces involved being more than enough to shatter swords NOT made of magical materials, or the sword would have to have the blade profile of a wood cutters axe, and weigh as much Mike Tyson. At a strength multiplication of 50, as baseball bat cuts through flesh just as easily as a sword, just not as cleanly. Once you get to a hundred or more times the strength of a man, there really isn't any point carrying anything other than a thick, sturdy, club analog like a steel kanebo, or a war club made of tungsten. Once you get to Hulk or Superman levels of strength, where they can just grab telephone poles and swing them around like sticks, and they're literally throwing mountains at each other, there really is no point in anything other than improvised weapons because the materials needed to survive the swing alone, much less the impact regardless of whether they miss or not, would be mind boggling. Basically only the strongest of fictional materials MIGHT survive.

@kristianjensen5877

10 ай бұрын

At those strength levels, the general usefulness of weapons also decreases unless facing similarly strong opponents/materials. Someone at 20 times human average strength or above would likely be strong and fast enough to punch a baseline human hard enough to snap bones on impact or be able to grab limbs and somewhat effortlessly dislocate them with a strong shake.

@nooneofimportance2110

10 ай бұрын

@@kristianjensen5877 Actually you can do what you described at 2X. At 20X it becomes effortless to rip limbs off, punch THROUGH people, or kill them by just tossing them up into the air as high as you can. But yeah, past a certain point weapons become one time use only.

@Dexuz

9 ай бұрын

Superman-level characters fighting with everyday objects it's really just for the rule of cool, even if it's a mountain, there's no point in throwing the mountain at your opponent if both you and your enemy are tougher than a mountain condensed into the shape of a human, logically it would do nothing, like trying to damage a steel ball with a house-sized styrofoam.

@nooneofimportance2110

9 ай бұрын

@@Dexuz It's not the toughness of the materials at that level, it's the added mass or the extended reach. A piece of styrofoam hitting you at Mach three still does damage, even if you are a steel ball. Granted it doesn't do huge damage, but sometimes it's just about getting the hit in, rather than what it does to the target. Knock 'em outta the air, knock 'em into the air, pound 'em into the ground, trap 'm for a bit, it's about just doing that extra bit.

@Dexuz

9 ай бұрын

@@nooneofimportance2110 I can see that, but if you're a dude that can propel styrofoam at such speeds, wouldn't it be better to use that strenght to, you know, punch?

I think it's always going to depend on context because "giant sword" can mean a lot of things. It could be argued that your "realistic armor-slayer" is a giant sword, but it seemed to work pretty well, albeit on the limits of what WOULD work. Then you could go up to something like the Buster Sword, & then up to something like Monster Slayer, theoretically infinitely. Then there may be various types of magic or superpowers at play. THEN we have to consider what the weapon is being used on. If you're fighting a dragon, maybe it does kind of make sense to have an edged weapon because maybe, as hard as it is to cut through, it's easier to make it bleed than the alternatives. AND THEN there are other uses to consider, like the fact that Cloud is seen using his swords as impromptu shields. So, the answer to "Are Swords REALLY Good for Super Strong Characters?" is always going to be "it depends." To be fair, it's not like super strong characters are never shown using clubs, axes, etc. It does kind of make sense that different characters might choose different weapons for different reasons even if we ignore factors like sentimentality. And Jesus, this paragraph is about as chunky as the Buster Sword.

The one case where I wrote a character with an oversized weapon was the greatest Geomancer (think Earth Bender) of the world, who used giant warhammer that looked more like an anvil on a stick, and the reason he could wield it was not just super strength, but him using his earth magic to root himself at key moments so he doesn't slip, has more mass and can impart more force into his swings. It's not a weapon meant against ordinary people though, he only uses it as basically a melee version of artillery. He uses it to break walls and fortifications, use his magic through it and his team sets up superhuman enemies for a combo attack in which he is the finisher, the one who only needs to land a single blow to bash a monster's brains in. If he fights in a regular battle he just chucks it at someone and goes into fisticuffs except his arms/hands are covered in stone and he hits like a truck.

its also worth taking into account what the enemy of the user happens to be. if their using super human strength to fight lions a sword may be more valid then say a club, while an elephant in comparison a club may be more useful to disable/ stun the enemy were a sword may struggle to pierce the hide. and while it seems to be 60% giant swords 40% giant clubs out of the fantasy I've read out of all the novels, light novels, manga, and comics I've read, I can only think of 1 character that used a giant axe

@marklucachev6695

10 ай бұрын

Yeah this. All of the critique of giant swords seems to come down to human feasibility (fair) and using them against other humans. But most stuff with giant swords ARENT using them against humans but against monsters and giant stuff. Even Guts, when he fights people vs monsters, uses his sword mainly as an AOE blunt weapon, not a sword.

Man, I love the kanabo. Always wanted to see it given some love in animation or video games, I always feel like you could do a lot of fun things with it. Have some 8 foot giant start dealing out massive, slow swings only to start using the weight to pick up momentum and turn into walking freight train barreling through a crowd of people.

I feel that giant swords for super strong characters can make sense. Depending on the things its being used for. Take for example, Monster Hunter. Where people are fighting giant monsters. Giant monsters presumably will have a thick layer of fat to retain heat, this fat can help protect against blunt trauma from something like a kanabo or mace. But a sword, with its edge and tip will have the potential to cut into that fat layer, or be thrust through it. Of course, even in this scenario, you'll likely end up ruining the blade when you hit bone. But that's a problem for AFTER you've taken out the giant monster by cutting deep enough to hit bone in the first place. Not to mention, the issue of damage will crop up among many weapon types when factoring in the power of super strength. Spears, axes, polearms, picks etc. These can also be easily damage with high power. But unlike a sword that has a lot of edge, especially if it's double edged (Though few depictions of colossal swords are), such weapons can be rendered useless by damage if the head breaks off. However, when fighting things that aren't giant monsters, like other super strong humans or giant robots... Swords would be terrible and you'd be wanting your kanabo or quarterstaff made out of solid unobtanium.

This reminded me of a modern fantasy series I read which people with superhuman strength might use swords, but they basically had to develop alternatives to how they are used to prevent their strength from just destroying the swords in use. ie, they dont use static blocks because it will ruin the sword pretty much immediately.

I love realistic style really large weapons. For sparring, I want to make a really big zweihander, but big in the sense of length and reach over mass and width. I think a superhuman melee weapon with large REACH would be terrifying, and if it didn't have the big big mass, it would be so quick.

Fun video. You should explore this topic further. For instance, with super strength comes the need for more weight in order to get full use out of their maneuverability and striking power under normal gravity. They would likely need boots of excess width in order to avoid sinking into the ground while jumping. Weighted cloaks Full metal weighted staves with various ball, club, or mace ends... You get the idea. Thanks again and I hope you have a good day/night =)

Giant Swords plus super strong character equals the equivalent of a battleship running over a fishing boat.

FINALLY!!! I've been waiting for Skall to talk about Kanabo's for years.

This is always fun to think about. Even when I have no background in the sword arts. So Cloud with his Buster Sword... I've always personally viewed the Buster Sword as more of a blade shaped bludgeon or splitting wedge than a cutting implement that he also uses as a shield. The art always varies... it appears to roughly a half-inch thick slab of metal (likely steel as it has been shown to rust) with wedge grind from anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 the width of the blade. The art is pretty consistent that the Buster Sword also has a very build up area (not you can call it a guard) roughly twice the width of the blade before transitioning to the stick handle. (Not sure how much this would shift the balance.) I'd need to do another viewing of the films or fight scenes... but I mostly remember him using a lot overhead chops. Basically raise it up and guide it down. (Been years since I viewed anything FF7 related though.) I really really need to find it again... but my favorite depiction of a ridiculous large Sword being used was from an Anime with the sword being as large as the tiny female character using it. She obviously had the superhuman strength to pick it up... but they played around alot with the mass of the thing. She would basically get it moving and then let it drag her around as part of the fighting style she used. Pretty improbable I'm sure...but still amusing in it did sorta seem to take physics into play.

Even just someone being able to wield a greatsword much like a longsword in terms of recovery speed would be huge, which is where I think this scenario would make sense. If you go to an extreme though, it's not quite the same. As said, once you get to the point where the force you're applying risks breaking the sword...might be time to consider a different weapon. Edit: Also, if you have materials that are heavier and stronger than steel, that shifts the dynamic further.

I Never thought about that in order to withstand the force a superhuman swings with your have to essentially make a blunt sword or the edge would get damaged. Now Swords like the Dragonslayer or the Buster sword actually make more sense as they are just a Raw hunk of iron with a very steep edge

I figure the real advantage with super strength when using a sword is that you could more easily counteract leverage against you (weak part of the blade vs strong of your opponent) and surprise them by pushing against them in situations where you shouldn't be able to (i.e.: where they would normally have the mechanical advantage) by simply being way stronger. That would definitely make sparing very different for both fighters. Then again, if you are that much stronger than your opponent... you could probably just reach them with your weapon faster than they can and if they do try to deflect, again, you could overpower the mechanical advantage (and hopefully your weapon survives that!).

I've been following exoskeleton tech for years. There have been a lot of advances. If perfected, and combined with ballistic armor, a "mech" suit should be possible. If so, a "giant melee weapon" would be a logical choice for a backup weapon should ammo run out or the gun gets damaged. All conjecture at this point, though.

@Merilirem

10 ай бұрын

Only if they can't carry a second gun.

@DaShikuXI

10 ай бұрын

@@Merilirem You can also just have more than one backup weapon

@512TheWolf512

10 ай бұрын

Big bayonet. Cheap, efficient.

Loved the Symphony of the Night, "What is a man?" joke

I've long thought some kind of studded club or mace would be the ideal. Seems easier to scale up a bludgeon if the weight isn't an object than to scale up something more subject to structural failures.

You also need to remember, the people who used swords, axes or other impact or cutting weapons. Generally where stronger, because they practiced with it. Me and my father used to cut fire wood with a bow saw, and split it with an axe or splitting maul. So we where pretty strong at one time. But that was years ago. Lets take the Scottish Claymore for example. These where big swords, and they where given to the biggest guy in the clan. But he was backed up by two guys using shields/Targes, and one handed weapons. So you need to take that into your thoughts.

Easily one of the coolest looking weapons in my book. Ever since my childhood when I first saw a huge character swinging around a tetsubo in an old asian mmo or pictures of samurai using them, I thought it was just such a simple yet elegant, well made and sturdy weapon. Sure european warhammers and such are cool too, but they have more of a technical air to them rathen than just brutish strength. Like with a mace you hit a knight on the head and he falls down crumbling, mounted samurai would probably launch each other with this beast.

Funny thing is, is that when I wrote characters and technical info for my things, the characters are in posession of enhancements that enhance them. Thing is, is that armor apart (which btw allows to wear heavier armor), their general preferred state of weaponry are hammers and axes and other weapons that take advantage of the brute force. Especially given the opposite end has a spike that, considering physics, allows to concentrate A LOT of strength in a single point, shattering the point of impact and devastating whatever is hit. While they will be outclassed by a far faster swordsman, it is no denying that it is a very hard situation. Especially if your opponent can crack your ribs with a kick, punch, or hold you in place while they skewer their target with a knife or sword. They take preference in weapons and fighting styles that end with one or two precise blows to the target. Hell, if they use swords, they use normal-sized ones given strength also means increased swing speed and movement speed of the muscles, allowing to operate the weapon faster, more precise, and harder.

I like your background with the presentation of the swords

"What is a sword? A miserable little pile of steel." OMG you kill me, Dracula.

I love your videos a great deal. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the reasons these weapons are even produced. I've noticed in a lot of these big weapons are made to fight giant monsters. So I guess what I'm saying is, how would we fight against Giant Monsters? Seeing as Giant Weapons are an illogical approach due to physics.

Hey skall this might be a weird comment but your ad read for this vid was so perfect, so concise and direct, no fluff. Didn't feel like I needed to skip or speed through it at all

Man, I love your fantasy wepons' videos. That's the kind of shit I usually think and start talking about with my friends (tho the only weapon knowledge I have is from common sense and watching your videos, which is way less than you actually have). Always fun to watch!

makes me think the "realistic" super strength sword would be like sephiroth's, basically the same in most ways except length, utilizing super strength to increase range while maintaining the weapon's overall power...if that makes any sense.

@steelwasp9375

10 ай бұрын

Against normal strength opponents, that is! If you're super strong and fighting an equally strong opponent, the reach is suddenly less important than durability and maneuverability. I think in the realm of superhumans, reach may be less and less valuable the further you go.

@robertagu5533

10 ай бұрын

An just think about how WELL and expertly a katana THAT long would have to be made, practically perfectly I'm guessing, an outta some of that rare nearly unbreakable metals too alloyed with top tier blade metal to STILL be 3+ times long as a man an yet basically EASILY slash a car in half thrown at him an everything an one else unfortunate enough to get caught in it's swing with nothing strong enough to block that kinda weapon

@crusadernikolai1996

10 ай бұрын

@@steelwasp9375then you reach dragonball levels where weapons are significantly weaker than the actual combatants so they’re just back to using their own bodies (or powers)

@asdergold1

10 ай бұрын

​@@crusadernikolai1996 Basically Elden Ring's Godfrey/Hourah Loux situation where he's stronger and more nimble with his bare hands than with the big axe?

@512TheWolf512

10 ай бұрын

Doubt. That would make it way easier to bend at least, requiring complete reforging, or even break entirely. Too thin.

If I was absurdly strong I’d probably use a club or something, love the vid Skal!

@phalanx8437

10 ай бұрын

You'd also have to be absurdly heavy and have absurdly strong ligaments, tendons, and muscles. Isn't reality just incredibly boring?

@bubume8277

10 ай бұрын

Hehe. True. You don't need to cut anything if you hit soo hard that anything you hit breaks into pieces only from the force transfer XP

@Merilirem

10 ай бұрын

@@phalanx8437 Strength might not include weight but it damn sure as hell includes things like ligaments and muscles being strong. Otherwise what exactly is strong about you? You can only rules lawyer this stuff so much before you end up in dumb territory saying they would dust their bones by moving.

@phalanx8437

10 ай бұрын

@@Merilirem They would that's why it's fantasy you goblin, we're not seriously ruminating or hypothesising about the functions of the super soldier we're creating in some esoteric lab. There's strict rules that govern physics, and weight is absolutely one of the corner stones, you can't swing a a two ton sword without greater mass behind it to counter the inertia, you'd fling yourself into a wall or rip your arms off, doesn't take a physics major to deduce that. We'd need materials and power sources far beyond what we have now to even devise mechs capable of producing this type of force so some nerds can get off watching 40 billion $ gundams swing some sword and cut a tank in half. It's not happening for a very long time, it's like the people endlessly prattling about terraforming mars, pure ignorance on basic understanding of the things they're talking about.

@Da1337Man

10 ай бұрын

If you try to swing hard enough to go through a house, you better have the durability to withstand the same amount of power. The kinetic force you put into a strike also goes back through your body.

Very fascinating video, and not something I'd considered before! I guess giant weapons really only make sense in universes where everything can basically be explained by magic or chakra or whatever else lol. This video is really great through, and it reminds me a lot of the type of conversations I had with my friends back in highschool lol. Thanks for the great content!

Seriously though, if you want to check out sword forms for large weapons, check out Bagua saber forms. =D

What I generally think of when I think super strength wielding a sword is basically just someone using a claymore or zwiehander in the same manner as a normal person would use a longsword or arming sword.

This is really great video! I don't remember any other SwordTuber talking about impracticality of swords in the hands of super power individual. And the wall with swords displayed looks awesome! You finally have your home to do that! Cheers!

I was thinking how nice your background looked until I realised, these are all yours, it's actually real ^^

thanks for such a good explanation as the whole time im leading into my thoughts as you make them happen if that makes sense. you were one step ahead. very good. have a great day

Awesome seeing the That Works Falchion again...ahhh what a beautiful sword ❤

You make that Kanabo look light! Being that it’s thick oak and studded with solid iron or steel, it’s definitely not as light as you make it seem. Someone’s been training haha nice

I think media like Berserk and Monster Hunter justify using giant swords better than most others. Hunters need giant swords because they fight inhumanly large and powerful creatures. Creatures so large and durable that using typical ranged weapons might as well just be a death by a thousand cuts for an animal that will rapidly close the distance anyway, and your chance of killing it in one shot are nil. Same problem with appropriately sized weapons like Sword 'n shield and Dual Blades, basically like trying to kill a rhino with a pocket knife. In Berserk they outright show why Guts doesn't use normal sized swords. For one, he's going up against inhuman opponents as well, many of which also have powers like regeneration or super durability. He was custom made an appropriate sized longsword by his friend Godo the Blacksmith, but it snapped in half when he first tested it against a demon, and it did little to slow the creature down. But the Dragonslayer was both heavy enough to do serious damage despite being very dull, and durable enough to not snap under the weight of his attacks. Guts even uses the wide blade as a shield sometimes. I think the biggest hurdle to cross is an in-universe justification that stays consistent. In MH its a hunting tool that has stuck around because it worked, in Berserk its literally the only weapon that can stand up to fighting monsters larger than humans.

Looking great, Skallagrim! Wonderful video as usual.

yooo i hadn't been seeing your videos for a while, glad to see ya pop back up on my home page dude! Cheers from Vancouver ⚔

Hey there I love your content Can't wait for the next halloween video this year where you talk about how to fight various monsters Do you have any information about unconventional weapons or tools that do a good job as one? Like chains, scythes, hammers,etc

I love the theme. Those sort of questions are what attracted me in Shadiversity Channel. I think a bit like @grungeknuckle5577 in that matter, perhaps the armour is being neglected. Not just because all things being equal is preferable to have armour than not to have armour, also because armour is the potential solution for your problem of not having weight enough to swing your stick. It can potentially solve your problem of not have weight enough to do anything you want to do, actually. You only have to go to your blacksmith and ask him for what he has been trying to not give you: a lot of weight. I believe you stepped in a huge distinction and didn't explored it much (because your focus was swords versus war-hammers). A character who has extra-strengh and extra-weight to match is very different from his equivalent who has just the extra-strengh and normal weight. Character A is a lot less idyllic. If that's modern setting, with 20 times your weight you probably cannot use most public elevators. If it is medieval I am not sure if you will ride a bull, a rhinoceros, or if you must travel in a carriage designed specially for you. But I would suppose you are not ridding a normal horse. If your condition is hereditary, you must be a nobleman (how could you not ?) so you probably don't have difficulty to find people to build those carriages, special boats, and furniture. However, that still has a limit. If instead of 20 times stronger and heavier you happen to be 2.000.000 times stronger and heavier, that would probably limit your life more than a little. You would only be able to walk is very solid ground, and would have to think twice before each step, so to speak. While a character who has only the strength and no extra weight would only get advantages (and all advantages the other fellow was, if we consider the armour trick works) and no problems. This fellow would even be able to swim like a normal person. Climb things like a Robert Howard's Cimmerian, probably. Since we understand neither of those characters are braking from the impact of those heavy war hammers against things, I suppose they have some extra resistance to impact. If that's correct, then the B fellow should be able to pull that nice trick insects can do. The one where they fall from any high and don't take any damage. Given to air resistance setting a limit to how fast things can fall, and that velocity in their case being only enough to cause a impact bellow the impact they can take. So, for B, the strongest he can be the better. While A would want to avoid excess.

Interesting. Thankyou for sharing

Love the uploads!!

The game with my favorite giant sword combat is the first Darksiders. A giant sword really suits a character like War. And the Chaoseater looks sick too. He even uses cuts, slashes, AND thrusts. You know, versatility. Which is an advantage with swords. It annoys me when games just have giant swords be used as clubs. [cough] [cough] Ludwig’s Holy Blade [cough]

@jurtheorc8117

10 ай бұрын

oh *heck yeah* someone else giving Darksiders some love :D War definitely has some nice spinning and twirling movements to him that showcase technical skill rather than brutish dumb swings. Stuff like the moves where if you walk forward and then immediately turn backward and press the attack button, for example. Of course, more over-the-top moves like Flipsaw and that upward slash are also very fun to see. And right there with you on Chaoseater looking sick. Simple overall shape, but with very intricately designed engravements of all the screaming faces. Though i'm no big fan of the Souls series, and the closest game with such a structure that i have ever played being Clash: Artifacts of Chaos (Solid game, recommend looking it up) which has decently realistically-sized weapon, i'd say we can probably cut the player characters there some slack on account of being humans. Or mainly humans, at least, even if there's supernatural influence at play. War in comparison is a being pretty much perfect for battle, with capacities far beyond most mortal life. He could probably swing Ludwig's Holy Blade with just as much ease as Chaoseater. In comparison, weaker beings would have a much tougher time swinging such big weapons as fast. (Though of course, interpretation of this differs from game to game, from medium to medium). All that said, War in Dark Souls would be sick to see.

@pastorofmuppets4552

10 ай бұрын

@@jurtheorc8117 I do enjoy Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne, and Ludwig’s Holy Blade would be one of my favorite weapons in Bloodborne if not for its moveset. As for War in Dark Souls 1, the closest characters to him (in terms of combat style) would be Gwyn and arguably Artorias. But Gwyn more so, with the way he swings his sword.

it all depends. Mass and inertia need to be accounted for. IF the character has an ability that lets them increase their own mass and/or sick to the ground... then sure, swing massive weapons around

One of the things I really like about Berserk is that they made it so that Guts actually gets pulled around by his sword somewhat and gave him a background as a child soldier forced to use an adult sized sword. It's still a bit silly that he even considered dragging around the dragon slayer and they took liberties with the laws of physics but they didn't pretend that physics don't exist.

@taistelusammakko5088

7 ай бұрын

Id like to buy this, but guts absolutely doesnt get pulled around by the dragonslayer, especifially in the first part. He is literally described as swinging it faster than eye can follow, in a situation where he stands still

@taistelusammakko5088

7 ай бұрын

Or in the second fight with guts and zodd, he uses dragonslayer like a bat

See, there are some materials which CAN hold the needed sharpness without damage upon impact. Some examples: -Adamantium -Vibranium -Orichalcum(depending on where you import it from) -Sea Prism Stone -Adam Tree Wood -Dragon Bone -Mithril -Carbon Nanotubes -Plasma in a containment field -Ancient swords from dead heroes (the current owners of these swords aren't keen on us taking material samples for analysis) -Stuff you can buy from the average merchant within a mile of a final boss's castle -Nth Metal -Tinfoil, if an RPG hero is using it and we're not in Fire Emblem

Makes me think about weapons for dragon/monster hunting. Big things that take two or three people to wield.

I'd say the general assumption is that when you have super strong characters, they might be going up against super tough targets (especially if they're even bigger than you), at which point the force concentration that a blade may offer over just blunt force may come into play again. If you fight a dragon 20 times your size, your kanabo may not do much even if oversized and super-strengthened. However, if you use your super big sword to slice through its tendons, that will still work. Blades an points just generally scale better into larger targets because blunt force always needs to be proportional to the size of the target lest it just gets absorbed by soft tissue. To take a book example: In Terry Pratchett's "The Wee Free Men" there is a gaelic inspired fae folk called the Nac Mac Feegle. Covered in blue tatoos and red hair, this belligerent bunch of drunks stands at only six inches tall whilst boasting the strength to carry the weight of an adult man. Due to the scottish inspiration they're drawn from, they're all using Claymore style greatswords as long as they themselves stand tall. And now think about it: With all their strength, do you think they could hurt a person using a club scaled to their proportions? It would be like the equivalent of a strong adult man trying to knock you out by smacking you with a chop stick. And even if they used a metal one, it's a matter of leverage: It would bounce them off you because you are heavier than them. At the same time, you know that a six-inch blade absolutely can kill a man, easily. People have been stabbed to death with pocket knives shorter than this.

@jurtheorc8117

10 ай бұрын

Appreciate the sweet reference to Sir Terry Pratchett's work.

One day this guy is going to pull a kitchen knife out of a drawer and all nearby trees will collapse out of respect.

To me, the problem with giant swords and super strength is that it doesn't matter if you cut someone's arm off or head off with a giant sword and super strength, or with a normal sword and normal strength. Either way, they're down an arm or a head. Essentially, there's a point that you reach relatively soon where adding more strength/mass into the equation doesn't actually really increase the damage you're inflicting, as no or minimal additional energy is being transferred and you're already past the point of 'will I cut through this?'. Even if you assume the target has enhanced durability this issue still exists- all you're doing is shifting the point beyond which more strength is redundant. Blunt weapons, on the other hand, keep transferring that additional energy from the swing for much further into the realm of super strength and super size, so they make much more effective use of it.

Man, that Gallowglass is one helluva sword!

but you have to aim with an axe or pole when big unwieldy sword has edge on all of the contact surface, one successful hit and you are done considering you can only dodge it. one thing that is 100% useless is a tip of the giant sword, but i guess that is for weight distribution

Wait until Skallagrim finds out that power swords are a thing in Warhammer 40k which fit the bill for what he described at the end (or at least as close as most fantasy works get)...

Silly large swords make a lot more sense when you are facing down a Rajang or a Chameleos.

Come on Skall! Clearly your Super Strong hero should be wielding a 12 foot long rapier!

I think that swords are good for what they are because they are small. If they were as big as a spear, id like the spear, war hammer or whatever. You would want a sword because it would be easy to carry and NOT as cumbersome like those above.

I mean context is something that matters here, yes while characters like Cloud or Guts would probably be better off with say weapons that bash rather than slice. You can tell by their opponents they need both a measure of speed and strength to overcome obstacles. And it helps that their iconic swords don't break easily. Plus I feel like a sword exudes more main protagonist energy than a mace or axe, blame fire emblem if you want but when writing a character I feel like a mace or axe just tells us the character is really strong. A sword however tells us that not only is a character strong but they have precision when it comes to their work, even if what they are wielding is a rather unwieldy hunk of metal. I mean this trope dates back to Seigfried and Seigurd who wielded Balmug and Gram and they were far from the most dainty weapons a person could use. I guess narrative in this case at least fictional narrative matters, as much as we make fun of the east romanticising the sword the truth is we do it as well in our fiction, I mean when was the last time we heard of a strong protagonist wielding a spear or an axe or a big hammer ya know.

@jthecryptid

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Giant swords go back at least as far as Beowulf in Western Europe, when Beowulf uses a giant sword to kill Grendel's mother. Plus, Dragon Slayer and Buster Sword aren't razor sharp, they have thick wedge-shaped edges, like an axe or guillotine. Their blades are also broad and thick enough to not wobble or droop like a stretched out longsword.

Shaq could wield that Kanobo in one hand. People visiting his home feeling like they just walked into the cyclops lair in the 7th voyage of Sindbad.