Common sense when attaching winches to a stuck vehicle. But common sense isn't common. I'll stick with my snatch blocks. I have to admit watching videos like this have made my winching activities much safer. Nice video, have a nice day.

It is very good of you to clear this all up.

I wish that more companies used the little rubber fingers to hold the rope on to the snatch blocks. Kudos to @Factor55 for that innovative feature.

Agree. If the ring is lighter, then for a given force it'll accelerate more than the heavier block. Either way, it's going to hurt; want to be run over by a car at 100mph or a truck at 60mph? And yes if the winch rope breaks it won't affect the pulley, as you say. Great work as usual! And yes no chance of the rope getting into that gap. Never happened.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

2 ай бұрын

Hey hey welcome We were at a show this last weekend and got to hold and inspect the safer extract pulley blocks We are ordering a few up them for testing They are extremely light

Very well said Matt. What ever you are using you need to pay attention to what is going on in all directions. Keeping the danger zone clear of people and it's always more difficult when the driver doesn't follow your directions during the recovery process..

Sales talk indeed, and hearsay! Good that you want to dispel these myths! I always look forward to your next recovery.

Haters still hate! Always learn from your videos.

Your explanation of flying steel reminds me of a childhood plan I made to create a large(ish) slingshot. On one side I attached the big rubber band to the wall (drywall) with a push pin. The other side I went to attach to my bed frame. As soon as I put additional tension on the rubber band the push pin came out of the wall and stuck into my thumb. All the way in. That was one of those unforgettable lessons.

@jasonh4167

4 ай бұрын

😬😯ouch.

More visual examples for the people that learn that way, pleeeeease. 🤙🏾🤙🏾

Great video Matt, I've always had that show me concept.

Always great info!

Tough to choose one or the other I'd say all snatch in general is the way to go!

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

They each have their good and bads, we carry both. But not the non spinning one those we don’t use

@sdriza

6 ай бұрын

​@@OffRoadRecoveryLLCnothing like some good snatch

Thank god a person with some common sense. These are the kids that’s out using stuff their daddy bought for them and have no clue how to use it. Really don’t help that people think I have a winch I’ll get you out have don’t know the weight of the load they are pulling and only try to use the winch straight pull with no snatch block of any kind I seen a dude hook to the fuel spout on a girls fuel tank said this should be fine that and axels and over break lines like people if you don’t know ask somebody that does or in todays world KZread lol great job on explaining this to ignorant people

Thank you for saying it like it is! Ive been thinking the same thing.

The weakest link should either be the winch line or the winch itself. My personal preference is bow shackles and steel pulleys, I only like soft shackles for joining straps.

Congratulations on hitting 30,000 subscribers. It's well deserved.

Follow the money!!

But the inter web says so, so it must be true. Love this guy and his attitude.

Very true. Thank you for the video sir

Really enjoy your content. You do more with much less than other recovery company's have, in what looks to me a safer way. Hope to see more of your recovery's when you can video them. BTW also think you attitude is spot on.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

yeah its hard, we had the wife quit her job to become a full time filter for us. That lasted about 3 days and then we kinda got temp custody of a 3 year old so now she's taking care of him for now. and still dealing with insurance and lawyers and such on our house that got destroyed in April

You’re the man. I’ve seen it 👍👍🇺🇸

I've always used steel snatch blocks for everything I've always done I got two big ones that are 6 in and a couple little smaller ones that I rig up to use and I've had no problem either pulling stuff out or pulling trees over My opinion I really have the pulley with the shackle and a chain or something to anchor it to to use because then it don't take your power away from when you're dragging it around the other

I use an old steal line snatch block with my synthetic line it works fine and never pinched it.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

8 ай бұрын

That’s what we use 90% of the time and have zero issues as well

You'd also think that no matter why or how, flying metal things would be unsafe in either case.

I wanted to ask your opinion. In general would an extra short rope linked to both the recovery point and the chassis provide backup if the recovery point failed (broke)?

It’s false marketing “lie till they buy” 😅

Enjoy watching your videos. You are clear very informative giving me information I need. please don’t let morons and buffoons Give you a bad day they’re not worth it carry-on. Thanks.

I tried those Amazon aluminum rings when doing some tree branch rigging for winching and I thought the idea was cool until i used them, then I bought old school snatch blocks that I'll only use for synthetic ropes. If you use them in a perfect world the aluminum snatch rings work well enough, but you also lose power due to friction losses. The sudden unloading makes them useless to me

One point not brought up is friction damage to the rope or soft shackle from the ring can cause them to fail sooner than using a pully block where all the friction is on a greased bushing or bearing. A flying ring has less mass, therefore less energy, than a pully block if a shackle breaks, but I would expect it to be more likely to occur on a properly set up system because of the increased wear on the soft shackles from the rotating ring.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

We have talked about those topic a lot and always get told we are “faking” the results So we didn’t bring it up again But yes we agree

Great video. I still don't feel safe with soft shackles im sure they are ok but not ready to chance it yet. when i do heavy pulling its a Holmes 500 PTO driven twin 20,000 lb winches they don't quit you will always break something before the winch stops pulling. now the electric winches i have im sure the soft shackles are safe just not ready to make the swap. its like using a rope instead of wire on the Holmes im just not ready to try that yet

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

Soft shackles are not the gold that everyone needs, but they are a very good option to have in your box. We cary different sizes of both soft shackles and hard shackles. The soft shackles are light and float in water which is great when doing stuff in the water (which we do a lot of) But also need to know when a hard shackle should be used (like in a bumper shackle hole) or sharp edge pockets. But we also cary different length rigging straps as well so we are full of hook up options. The number 1 thing with soft shackles is making sure you tighten the loop up after goin over the knot.

The truth at last yeah. great video - also no seller of ropes & aluminium rings states safety factors or even test certificates any more -I know its for winching not lifting , but it should still be stated on the products IMO for every ones safety. (lifting & recovery background)

Thanks for a common sense review. I check all my gear ratings and condition. Broken lines but have always been safe. And I don't run to the next Big thing!

Say it like it is!!

Love your videos but that clip of the snatch rope failing they were using soft shackles and it was part of the wrecker games put on by Matt’s Off-road Recovery in Utah.. fails happen no matter what you do and Matt’s off-road recovery channel is a lot like your channel in the sense that you both do it professionally and use a lot of the same techniques.. love both your channels and keep posting great content

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

We blurred it out, and was just showing it as a reference of what happens with a Giant rubber band when a failure happens

@sam66958

5 ай бұрын

Just proof that it’s kinetic recovery and the attachment point that is the risk not the shackle. If the point fails it’s dangerous no matter the recovery material. Rope is only safer if it’s the thing that breaks.

Agreed, whom ever commented is part of the millennial, cellphone taught, Darwin society... I’ve been using steel cable, shackles & snatch blocks since the 90’s. Not once have I broken any vehicle or gear. It just commands respect and attention, witch people nowadays don’t have a clue because it’s not learned from a cellphone.. ✌️😆 bro.

@jasonh4167

4 ай бұрын

Side note the old school steal stuff only fails when set up to be over shock loaded and that’s rare.

if those rings are so great why don't you see heavy recovery use them. when ron pratt, or pepes uses them then i might think about it. loses to much efficiency for me.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

you won't, I also ran a rotator like Ron. One reason you won't see guys use them in that field, is that soft shackles are not approved for lifting. And we do a lot of lifting with rotators. Now I do thing occasionally a light weight option would be handy because those blocks on them trucks are heavy. I have 2 8 ton blocks 2 12 ton blocks and 2 15 ton blocks on the one I ran for years

@Mouldyturnip75

6 ай бұрын

efficiency loss on a ring is around 7.5%, while a snatch block is around 4.5%. Based on a best-case mechanical advantage of a perfect 2:1 (but it is not a perfect 2:1), you're likely to see an efficiency of around 1.83:1 with a traditional snatch block and around 1.74:1 for an average winch rig - not something you are likely to actuall notice for the average weekend trail warrior. A bearing ring (red winches RR30) is slightly more efficient again at around 6.2%. Check out Robert Pepper, L2SFBC on YT for greater detail and in depth technical analysis.

@boomupengineering

5 ай бұрын

​@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC They do rate and market soft shackles for overhead lifting, however, I'm not sure who all is using them for overhead lifts. I've only done it once and that was for very light weigh lifts where I wanted ease of hookup and reduction of dropped items that could hurt someone below. Traditional riggers are not schooled enough to properly use soft shackles and some of the Dyneema rope slings. I believe Holloway Houston sells the most Dyneema rope based rigging in the USA. I've talked to them a bit but I have also talked with Cortland Cordage to make sure Holloway is doing right with some of their rope products. Seems that Courtland has helped support HHI testing efforts via rope samples and such. Recently I talked to Cortland about HHI's Hammerhead sling ratings as they somewhat recently deviated from Cortland's choker sling ratings. HHI increased from 42% up to I believe 80% of vertical WLL. This is for endless loop slings, not eye/eye. It comes down to HHI doing a lot of testing but also HHI equips their soft shackles and most slings with a nice and tightly braided jacket. That jacket goes a long ways to keeping the rope clean and protecting it, even at a choke point (rope on rope). Obviously heat kills Dyneema. Never order rope slings without a protective jacket. The loose braid lets in dirt and rocks plus the strands get snagged easily. HHI can even substitute a Dyneema or Spectra braid for the cheaper polyester and now you have cut resistant protection. Actually check out Yale LOUPS slings. I should have a selection of Yale LOUPS slings in my hands in the next few months for use on my current project. LOUPS D/d = 1.1. I typically have no need for soft shackles in lifts but they do sound interesting when maybe working at major heights. I don't know though...I haven't been around them enough to trust them. Of course a dropped shackle or pin will kill. Soft shackles may eventually gain favor?

I don't use winch rope

On one hand I don't know why you take the time to address some of these stupid comments. On the other hand i usually come away with something i hadn't thought about or something that's thought provoking. You're providing the water, question is will that horse drink it. Matt before you record a video take a quick sec and wipe off the camera lens on your phone. That's what is giving the vids that hazy look. I just use my shirt tale most of the time. Give it a test you'll see what i mean.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

we have always tried to provide information, that's where we started, so we have to balance out entertainment and knowledge videos. We try and ignore most hater comments but we did get sooo many comments about these flying during a winch rope failure and that makes it safer and it made us think. Who told people that? So we just wanted to ask and let people know that's not true And the camera thing isn't a dirty camera, my class protector thing is cracked and it make it look funny I need to order a replacement

what happens when your soft shackle breaks?

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

4 ай бұрын

Well then it would fly But not when a winch line fails Your winch line will always fail before the soft shackle 1-they are much weaker even doubled up compared to a soft shackle 2- your winch line wears out much quicker then soft shackles But you are correct if the soft shackle breaks they will fly

White Bison Whisperer approved!!! It's hard to find common sense these days.

Hey, at least rings increase your line pull needed for the job and reduce winching speed. Nice! Darn that friction.

The problems arise because a lot of people get there information from KZread. So and so has a 100 thousand subscribers so he most know what he is doing, billy bob supports company x so it most be good etc. There is good and bad information on the web , most people don’t know the difference. Screws ups and accidents get more views on KZread so the reality is people who have huge following are probably not the place to get information because they are more entertaining than they are efficient.( No BillyBobs were referenced in this comment)

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

People come to YT to learn a lot of times, our kids google how to….. then click on a KZread video instead of reading anything on google Then people pretend to be professionals and put disclaimers at the bottom where no one reads saying differently

@JacobVanHeel

9 ай бұрын

It's comical someone would comment on KZread "the problems arise from people getting there information from KZread." Come on who only watches one video if they're looking for info on a topic? KZread is going to give you the newest info, on the best, current way to do whatever and more. I've listened to a lot of old dudes with old school methods and sometimes a newer safer method changes the way they do things. Some are stuck in the "it hasn't killed me yet I'm not changing how I do it" mind set but some do accept new technology once in awhile.

@jcar1417

9 ай бұрын

@@JacobVanHeel just because it’s on KZread doesn’t mean it is the right way to do it. There are no certifications or qualifications for YT all you need is a camera on your phone. Anyone with knowledge will know if it is sound or not, but it’s people without the know how who believe everything they see. Always do your research and look at as many options as is possible and don’t blindly follow someone because they have a million views.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

@@JacobVanHeel we can and will accept new technology But this friction ring is not new technology it has been around for a long time Only thing that is new Is idiots who believe a friction ring is good for mechanical advantage They have been designed and used for friction for negative rigging for years To lower the needed holding force to lower a heavy branch Example If lowering a 750lb log from a 100’ up in a tree They need 375lbs to stop the log using a ring Instead of a block they would need 750lbs So a single guy can lower the log Also this would lower the needed equipment on the attachment point To around a thousand pounds instead of 1500 In order to lift they change the ring to a block because to lift with a block you need one to one Where if you use a ring you need 1.5 to one Which makes it harder to lift And increases the force at the attachment point All this has been tested and proven by many individuals within the free world And The sailors All of them agree Now some guy introduced it into off-road filled with lies and unfilled promises of performance And anyone who disagrees gets hammered with hate Again this is not new technology This is not new at all Look outside of their paid promoters and you can see no one approves this to be a good mechanical advantage system Have a great day

They will both fly if thrown by an angry customer

Anything that is flying in the air after the rope breaks is not going to be less dangerous

The biggest problem I have seen with 'recoveries' (in a non professional capacity) is that most people don't understand the force to get a vehicle out. Then also don't understand how to attach to points on your vehicle SAFELY. The most stupid are those that snatch with cable or use FAR TOO MUCH POWER when using kenetic ropes. Another question for you Matt. Why do you not bag your Kenetic ropes? Does UV not cause damage to them or is it they get replaced due to use quicker than that will become an issue?

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

9 ай бұрын

They stay inside the tool box (the decked system) And then get brought out when used Then usually tossed on top for the day so we don’t keep putting them in and out filling the box with sand

You have to remember, half of the population are still in search of 1D-10T forms to fill out and the other half can barely dress themselves each day. That is what you are working with when it comes to youtube comments.

Neither are any safer, they are just for different things, the synthetic snatch vs the traditional are just made specifically for synthetic winch line

No!?

It's actually "than"... not "then" in the title.... but ya know.... yeehaw and 'murica and all that.... "You have the right to remain stupid"

But why are you still promoting that F55 recovery ring on your website then? Those rubber fingers are a nice touch, but all the other drawbacks remain. About flying snatch items, I think your resonse is a bit off point - if they can fly because your soft shackle breaks, they still will fly I'd say, so while those fellas did mix up winch line and recorvery point, they still have a point, don't they? The real question is, if there really is a difference between dying from a snatch block or a snatch ring, and I'd say nah :D Don't stick your head into a rigging setup under load I'd say. About winch blankets - there are several videos out there that show how these do very much work and make winching safer. If your experience is different, I would love to see a video of you doing an AB test.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

4 ай бұрын

We are not promoting the f55 ring And there is a much higher chance of a ring flying at your head then a snatch block The ring damages soft shackles which will cause them to fail premature And your right winch blankets work very well with STEEL CABLE not synthetic Can’t use rings with synthetic

@TerraMarique007

3 ай бұрын

How is there a greater chance of ring flying than a block?

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

3 ай бұрын

@@TerraMarique007 the rings are constantly spinning on soft shackles which over time will weaken them While a snatch block does not damage soft shackles So there is a slight more risk of a ring flying vs a snatch block

@TerraMarique007

3 ай бұрын

You said “higher chance” in the response above. Now you say slight? The ring doesn’t rotate!?? So, how is it damaging the soft shackle?

I’m sorry for my first comment on a different video. I now know you are catering to the lowest common denominator. What happened to all of the cool dads and BA uncles?

The title of your video is “Are snatch rings safer [than] snatch blocks”. You then proceed to talk about failing winch lines, soft shackles, bumpers, and metal shackles. If any of those items break, I guarantee you’d prefer to have the aluminum ring. Somehow by saying the heavy snatch block doesn’t get flung when the winch rope breaks makes the block safer? I don’t know anyone who says synthetic rope can’t be used with snatch blocks. The rings and blocks are meant for winching, not kinetic pulls. Your examples of people running over the line are not relevant. You shouldn’t run over your line or then do a hard pull like this whether it’s a ring or a block. What are you trying to say with this video? Frankly, it seems like you simply have an issue with a particular brand.

@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

3 ай бұрын

Well one brand wants to constantly put out false information so…. And we feel you did not listen to the video very well because you definitely got some of your comment mixed up No one is using a snatch block with kinetic pulls 🤣

@TerraMarique007

3 ай бұрын

If you let a winch line go slack and then quickly tighten it up, it is similar to a kinetic pull. Not exactly a high kinetic, but it absolutely puts more stress than a slower tensioning of the winch line. That’s what you’re saying when you show the truck running over the line. How about simply looking at the setup if the line goes slack to make sure it hasn’t fallen off? I agree the rubber keepers are convenient, but you still have to be careful.

"THEN" SNATCH BLOCKS... seriously ffs