It's mad we're not allowed to have anything remotely labelled as self defense related in this country despite it being increasingly more dangerous. The bad are getting worse and the good are pretty much defenseless by law

@NoNowwwell

10 ай бұрын

Purposefully made so.

@geezerp1982

10 ай бұрын

which most brits want and demand

I still struggle to understand why they can justify the police being able to use pepper spray but not member of the public if they receive the same training course et cetera . And our regulated. .

the more I learn about the self defence in the UK ,the more angry I become. I'm starting to realise that in essence we are not allowed to do anything in self defence. It's absolutely unrealistic to expect that any normal man or woman will correclty assess the situation if attacked and choose a correct and appropriate way of self defence. It looks that I can not even use a cup of distiled water against attackers because some of them might have an allergic reaction to it. How on earth I would manage to calculate the level of "reasonable response" if, say . my house is being broken into in the middle of the night by 3-5 aggresive men? Should I put a kettle on , make a cup of coffee and start calculating scenarios- what do the men want?- just to take all my monies and possesions and "peacefully " leave, do they want to breake my scull, hands, legs and other bones before taking my possesions? Maybe they have plans take evertyhing, beat me and my family to pulp and then just to set the house on fire, just for fun? Or maybe the men are here for the plain reason to kill me ? And what if I will make a grave mistake and "misgender" or "mispronoun" one of the bandits? That alone can land me in hot waters.

Deep heat for my bad shoulder comes in mini cans, carry it for pain relief and if attacked I panicked and sprayed it fearing for my life. This was used by someone in a court case a few years ago and case was dismissed. As attacker had a knife and the person been attacked was in fear of their life. ???

I admire your resolve regarding discussion/videos on such subjects, I just don't comment on various social media of any kind on comments related to gun ownership or use in any way; as far as I'm aware social media is regarded by the Police as shouting your views down the crowded Public High Street, since I regard my sport(s) and vermin control/deer management as more important than any social media in the UK, and there's far too many out there with an agenda/political view that might wish to create some sort of 'incident' or 'incitement' or 'hate speech'. Best for me to steer clear and remain the responsible, lawful, and mature adult, and trusted member of society. There's no point poking the wasps nest that is Joe Public.

As a kid we all used to carry knives but it was as Scouts & those knives I would assume these days would now be illegal, its such a shame that the country has deteriorated to this point in my lifetime as the only time I saw or heard about any violence back when I was a teenager was a punch up after chucking out time at the local pub. The old never got harmed, the young never got harmed & generally everyone was safe It is a worry these days when many of us are suffering ill health due to age & would struggle to defend ourselves from young fit people when out. The only things I am aware of we can carry are very loud alarms as at least it draws attention to anything happening

Based on your video about comments possibly causing you problems I will withhold my wish to fully express myself here. I will just say this is madness and keep up the good work. This channel has been enlightening to say the least.

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for showing restraint!

@BlastedKat

10 ай бұрын

@@thatgearguy you're welcome from across the pond.

Don't turn the comments off fella, chat is good. But I get where you are coming from!

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

They are back on now as I review each one. There were too many old comments on previous videos to review and quite a lot of silly stuff so I will just keep those off. Thanks for watching!

@ifell3

10 ай бұрын

@@thatgearguy at the start of the video say that any comments in the comments section are not your views and are regulated by KZread 😉

I bought one of those marker sprays years and years ago (over 10). I found it a month or so ago and noticed it was well out of date so thought id give it a go. To my surprise if sprayed perfectly, about 8-10ft range with a thick stream which foamed on impact. Spraying in somones face would definitely give you the opportunity for a secondary strategy, as they would have to physically wipe the foam off their face to be able to see. What shocked me though is i rubbed some on my arm to test how long the dye would last and it came off almost immediately with just spit and a tissue! It could have been because of the sprays age of course but if people are using them in the manner you outlined they may be sorely disappointed.

I usually carry a powerful compact flashlight as my first go to self defence item.

@47coffee

10 ай бұрын

Rapid strobe functionality is a plus imo

@crazycressy7986

10 ай бұрын

Isn't that illegal as you are then carrying that with intent ?

@ALCOCO1978

10 ай бұрын

me too.led lendser mini.great dog shit detectors when dark.they stash perfect in ya sleve quick flick n game on.. dont fuk with me i have a touch

You just need to look at what happened to Callum from English Shooting. He had his FAC taken off him due to comments on his KZread channel. The police said it was encouraging extremist views, and he didn't do enough to stop them. I've been thinking about starting a reloading as a newbie in the UK channel, but I know youtube don't like those sort of videos, added to the fact you'll always get some numpty in the comments that could put my hard earned FAC at risk of revocation. So I've decided just to enjoy the sport and reloading.

@suffolkcamper4047

10 ай бұрын

I find it hard to believe he lost his FAC due to just You Tube comments. I think something else was going on behind the scenes and the You Tube comments was just an excuse and cover story. I never once saw any extreme comments or views on his channel, it was always squeaky clean. Just my opinion though, I might be wrong.

Situation awareness is one of the most important aspect of self defence. My late husband taught me about defence especially when outnumbered if older or more vulnerable. It is literally about what's on hand. Also things like positioning yourself in pubs or seating areas so you face out from walled corners so no one can approach from behind or being aware when walking or walking to ones car in a parking lot. I actually never park in multi story car parks they are very dangerous. I agree lets face it Police are not going to be there if a situation occurs and unlikely to even come in time even if called. They are a clean up crew mainly with the exception of maybe a Saturday night fight or organised crime hits etc.

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

Very good points.

Unusually my friend I don't totally agree with you, though I am capable of discussing matters without getting "on my Soapbox." I personally think that suitably researched Self Defence Marker Sprays have their use. The ones I have had dealings with spray a bright red sticky goo that is extremely difficult to get off. So IF I carried one and someone was attacking me, I would give them a good spray around the eyes to distract them. I would then step away from where I was and IF necessary as I was still fearing for my life, I would then use other techniques to defend myself. So to me the Self Defence Sprays are a distraction and maybe, just maybe give me that fraction of a second longer to react if someone is coming at me with a lethal weapon. One other thing to mention I personally think the UK Laws on Self Defence are ridiculous and heavily weighted in favour of the criminals. However we live in a beautiful country with a fabulous history so my choice is to put up with poorly drafted Self Defence Laws.

The only place in the UK handguns are legal for defence is Northern Ireland, because it was so dangerous some people were given licenses for it. The way the rest of the UK is going they will need to change the laws out of necessity

@Theshropshireratter

10 ай бұрын

And Isle of man I believe

My missus always says a small can of hairspray is legal to carry and stings like crazy when sprayed in the eyes, causes temporary blindness, just enough to get away from an attacker.

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

The problem being that admission she carries it as a weapon causes it to be considered as an offensive weapon.

@martineleven8179

10 ай бұрын

@@thatgearguy correct, even a pencil can be used as a weapon, anything can, although prempted self defence I think is quite legal depending on circumstances.

@geezerp1982

10 ай бұрын

@@thatgearguy nope, its called instant arming, as long you dont admit that you were carrying in a public place any object for self defence.

The problem with relying on some kind of protective device is you have to access the item before use. Attacks happen very quickly and are usually unexpected far better to train yourself to react or handle these situations physically via some form of combat training eg Krav maga.

A powerful screeching panic alarm 😂

I would not recommend spraying a fire extinguisher at anyone. But it could be a good idea to have one in your bedroom in case you are awakened by your smoke alarm in the night. Hopefully this wasn't too off topic.

It's mad pepper spray is a section 5? Far as I know, only actual firearms carry the mandatory 5 year sentence, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if getting caught with it brings down the other implications of a firearms offense on your record. Like I worked with a guy who got caught with a sawn-off and he said for years after he got out of prison, simple noise complaint and armed response would show up at his door! Sure he said it flags up cars registered in your name too.

@geezerp1982

10 ай бұрын

it not a madatory for all carrying all firearms , only banned firearms. firearms that not banned but carried without reasonable excuse or lawfully authority are thus section 19 firearms act 1968 loaded shotgun; on summary conviction 6 months, on conviction on indictment 5 years fiream togather with ammuntion suitable for it use; on summary conviction 6 months , on indictment 5 years (7 years if aggrivated)

I’m in the US. I conceal carry a handgun daily. I also carry OC. I’m a retired LEO and support citizens carrying guns and other self defense options. I have seen numerous occasions where citizens have saved their life or others by using defensive weapons. It is disturbing to me that your country considers these items only as offensive weapons for civilians while entrusting police officers with them for defensive weapons. I can verify by my personal experience being around these items and people using them that police officers have misused self defense weapons just like normal citizens. Cops are human just like the people they serve. The for me not for thee attitude is finally being contested in the US on a large scale. Several federal laws are probably going to change in favor of the people in the next few years. Anyway you must obey the laws in your country, this I fully understand. Jail is a terrible place. Keep the vids coming. Great content!!!

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

Glad your enjoying the content. I love coming over to the U.S. Fantastic country.

@ravenmad9225

10 ай бұрын

Does not compute.If guns make you safer then why is the US murder rate per capita so high compared to the UK?

@BlastedKat

10 ай бұрын

​@@thatgearguyyou're welcome here anytime cuz.

@individualmember

10 ай бұрын

I think some people make the mistake of thinking that because the US and the UK both speak English there is some cultural similarity between them. There is not, the UK is culturally much more similar to our European neighbours. Which is why what is appropriate in the US is not appropriate in the UK. In my sixty years so far I’ve never been attacked, I don’t know anyone who has been attacked, the life threatening situations I’ve witnessed haven’t involved weapons, so the concept of having a weapon to “defend myself” is completely alien. It’s something from the movies. Like 95% of British people, I know which parts of town the drug gangs are in (which is where violence is likely) and I have absolutely no reason to ever go to those places after dark.

It's very sad about the comments thing but I completely see where you're coming from. I possibly disagree with you on some points you make and agree with you on other points. I put a lot of thought into keeping my comments as debating positions rather than rants. I find your videos very interesting and thought provoking and thank you for the effort you put in. Unfortunately there are so many self righteous people who simply demand everyone agree with them. As to this video, obviously I'm aware of pepper sprays, Mace etc and it's illegality in the UK but I'd never heard of these marker sprays. Interesting video but I agree with you that it's best to avoid situations I consider risky and to remove myself from the dangerous situation if at all possible. I'm guessing that you, as a guy, have never come across the pain and discomfort a poorly aimed Impulse Body Spray lol.

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

"I sprayed him with it on impulse officer".. Thanks for watching. Glad you like the content.

Good to hear con from Ireland 🇮🇪

Good for you, Trolls need to be banned. Sure that AI could work out if a youtube account's messages get blocked on a regular basis, and they need approval before posting.

Great video - I really like your well-informed, common sense coverage of these topics . Shame you have had to switch off the comments in other videos. Even on my small channel I get keyboard anarchists telling me to ovethrow the government because locking knives are not UK legal carry!!!

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

Yep they love to spout their political nonsense! One would think they are too busy overthrowing governments to be so busy in the comments section of youtube. More likely that they are bored and living in their Mums spare room.

allways thoughtefence sprays are considered as firearm and not to be carried by public . liability being people suffering respitory effects love your vids

some of the sprays include bad smells too, i don't know what difference that makes but i also saw texts of just the ink and it looks very thick and i heard on a channel called weapon collector that if you use the spray you get arrested but not charged and they take the spray away to test it and either give you back an empty can or half empty can

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

The bad smell thing is pretty strange. Are the Police supposed to sniff out the culprit? 🤣

@gerardmcquade9102

10 ай бұрын

@@thatgearguy think its meant to make the attacker gag

@gerardmcquade9102

10 ай бұрын

@@thatgearguy what is your opinions on stab vests and the cut proof sleeves and gloves or bulletproof stuff?

As I understand it, in the U.K. if you carry *anything* for the purpose of defense, even if that is not your main reason for carrying it then it is strictly an offensive weapon. It is the _intent_ which matters not the damage that it may or may not do. This is why the police have arrested people after seizing things like pencils. The official rationale appears to be that any law allowing people to carry defensive objects could be used by criminals as justification for their own carryin. The fact that laws allowing defensive carry works pretty well in other civilised countries (e.g. Germany) is simply brushed under the carpet. It is I'm afraid yet another case if getting what you vote for.

@geezerp1982

10 ай бұрын

the carrying anything for the purpose of self defence ONLY applies to a public place and not in a private place thus, keeping a baseball bat for self defence DOES NOT take away your right to self defence nor does it get you a weapons charge ! see the prevention of crime act 1953

It’s better than nothing, at least it won’t get you locked up. So all in all, it’s something to have on you.

Police and gov are amazing in the UK

The underlying priniciples of the law are simple. How they work in practice may be complex because every cese turns on its own merits. Marker sprays are essentially worthless. If you spray someone what makes you think they police will have any interested in finding them let alone shining UV lights on them? The police don't have the resources to do it. Torches have a range of limitations in terms of the law. If you have a large Maglite torch and you are walking around with it in your local high street around midday on June 21st you are setting yourself up for a criminal conviction. You will need to provide a very good reason for why you are carrying it in those circumstances or the police will very reasonably come to the conclusion that you are carrying it as a weapon. Not much better if you are carrying it down the high street at midnight on December 21st. It may well be dark, but you're carrying such a suspiciously large torch makes you a prime candidate for having your collar felt. Different matter if you are carrying it in your back garden and you live in the back of beyond. Smaller bodied torches may still be treated as weapons by the police. If the body of the torch is metal and it looks in any way 'tactical' then your carrying it is something you will need to explain. Don't assume you can cary a small bodied torch everywhere. You may not get past the security barriers in court buildings with a torch unless you have a specific reason to be carrying it for example. On the subject of 'life in danger' you also should not assume that as long as you feel your life is in danger you can defend yourself. It's not that simple. If you have put yourself where you have no need to be, you may be lining yourself up for a conviction. For example, if you hear some loud argument in the street outside the house two doors up and you go out to intervene and it all goes Pete Tong and you use force against someone, you will need to provide a real good explanation for why you stuck your nose in or you can be made out to be the troublemaker who was looking for a fight. On the subject of having a machete in your home. Depends. If you collect blades of different kinds and you have a reason for why that one came to hand then you may be able to explain it. If you use large blades for gardening work you may have a reasonable explanation. It's easy to think of plenty of situations in which you would not have a reasonable explanation and would be putting yourself at risk of being treated as having used 'grossly disproportionate' force. Swords go much the same way. You may be able to provide a reasonable explanation for your use. Don't assume that you can. Think it through properly and keep any such items stored safely. You may find it helpful to read some of the more recent books by Marc MacYoung, as he gives very good information and advice on the whole 'self defence and the law' area. He writes for the US context but most of it carries over directly to the UK and many other legal jurisdictions.

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

Agreed, as mentioned several times it is complex and there are no solid answers applying to all situations.

@geezerp1982

10 ай бұрын

WRONG !

it is a very simple answer from a legal stand point and that answer is no. In the Uk it is illegal to carry anything with the intent of using it as a weapon even f you intend only to use it in self defence as you are preemptively planning for it to be a weapon

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

I think the legal debate on these hinges on the fact they are not a "weapon" but a "marker". And the intent would not be to harm but to provide an evidence trail. However the spray may do someone harm as mentioned in the video. We will have to wait for a court case to decide one way or the other. Even if they were legal I would not bother with them.

@Steven-of5rx

10 ай бұрын

Sorry, if that were the case ude not be able carry ANYTHING, a leg of lamb, big heavy vegetable, cucumber, tins of anything in a plastic bag cud be used swung around like a sling shot. Cud go on & on, the list is endless. If the police looked in my shopping bag & told me my baked beans are an offensive weapon, ide say "Only if I eat too many & fart alot". Stefan

@imsoreetodddid9007

10 ай бұрын

It has to be capable of causing injury in the first place for which the markers are not alongside personal alarms.

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I’m sure some perfume sprayed in your face would be quite unpleasant as well and nobody is going to say you can’t carry perfume with you. Deep heat on a flasher would also discourage them from continuing to expose themselves. 😂

Grate content well presented let the drama queens go

I'm here with you dear friend comments or no😊

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

Thanks William, I really appreciate that!

Back in the 80s/90s the 'street' version was Amonia in a Jif Lemon container! Horrendous stuff from what I've heard about, causing potential permanent damage to eyes and airways. I knew bouncers and mates that had been on the receiving end of 'Squirt'.

@thatgearguy

Ай бұрын

I remember..

Basically in the UK you are at the mercy of thugs. Always. In general I love this country, but regarding self defence this place is absolutely mental. Completely obsessed with protecting criminals, whilst having no real care for innocent people. I understand their reasoning for these laws prohibiting everything, but it's a very flawed reasoning, as the thugs will still get those illegal items anyway, because they are thugs and they do illegal things...

@thatgearguy

Ай бұрын

Its far from ideal

No self-defenses ... i might just run from these attacker if possible.

Nah, the police are online monitoring the web for hurty words.

Imagine a lawless society 😂

Dazzler was a crappy xman. Even if she roped in Beyonder. Using a torch to dazzle someone, never heard that. Those big torches are hefty.

Ryder concept 900 with strobe light on it is the best thing you can use then run 😂 have a long strong rope on it for half nunchuck defence Uk = wildwest the law is on the criminals side we all f##ked tbh it's the truth 😢

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What if this country becomes like the film children of men 😂

@susanalderson8267

10 ай бұрын

Too late for that it's already more like Shaun of the Dead with all the zombies wandering around staring at their phones.

I carry a key in between my fingers hahahaha that will do the trick :)

Semi permanent mark lol

Not being able to carry weapons for self defence is what rises the average person above the criminal dont you think? If we all carried knifes for self protection would knife crime go down. And waving a weapon about without the intent to use it would only make a situation worse surly?

@Smatnm

10 ай бұрын

I think there’s far too many silly people that would take advantage of any provision for being able to legally carry most self defence items (“weapons”)…..but I do lament not being legally allowed to do so for those that would treat it with the responsibility it deserves. Having said that, if government statistics and media coverage is accurate, then violent crime is increasing regardless despite ever increasing limitations on what the public are legally allowed to access….it would be nice if the relevant legislation was looked at objectively from an efficacy point of view. If violent crime is increasing, and more and more legislation is put in place, is it actually an effective means of reducing it?

@Andygb78

10 ай бұрын

I have mixed feelings about our self defence laws here in the UK. I somewhat agree with what you say. But even these spate of recent dog attacks has brought home the fact that we are kind of like sitting ducks in that respect. That XL bully attack in Birmingham, for example, where the 11 year old girl got mauled and the dog went on to attack a few other people. If that was in the US, that dog would have been stopped straight away. It seems absurd on one level that we have subjected ourselves to walking around defenceless against an attack like that. That people are legally allowed to own and take out in public dogs capable of causing serious injury, yet we can't carry so much as a stick to try and defend ourselves against such an attack.

@loc4725

10 ай бұрын

As a counter argument would rapes, assults & muggings go down if people started routinely carrying pepper spray? Criminals tend to prey on the weak, so would how exactly would weakening yourself promote you above them?

You have a very narrow view on being attacked, if more people get tagged by the marking spray and action is taken against them due to it, the more nervous an attacker will be to attacking. Of course this is more likely to affect gang kids doing initiations rather than the mentally ill.

@thatgearguy

10 ай бұрын

That would involve the attack actually being investigated so errr... And until the investigations start happening (which they likely will not) then victims are getting messed up. A terrible defence strategy.