I'm a Protestant but I like Catholics

@isaacsanchez5887

8 жыл бұрын

I was too but Catholic is the way to go, look up Steve Ray.

@BDON

7 жыл бұрын

Splouge Mcgouge I was protestant and converted Catholic this year. Feels great!

@eln5343

7 жыл бұрын

Splouge Mcgouge It doesn't matter what church one goes to. Jesus is the way, truth and salvation. As long as you are with Him, do what feels natural for you. I have nothing against catholics either, but praying to myriad saints just isn't my cup of tea. That's why it's good to have options. :-)

@isaacsanchez5887

7 жыл бұрын

TheEagleOfLightAndNight it matters very much which church one belongs to. How much closer can you get to Jesus then to recieve him in the blessed Eucharist, found only in the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church, founded by Christ Jesus, on the the Rock that is Peter.

@eln5343

7 жыл бұрын

Isaac Sanchez The sacrament that gets you closest to God is the baptism of the ghost, only given by God himself. I have experiences of this as do countless others no matter the church. You find God with your heart, not with deeds or intellect. Never forget that, friend :-)

An excellent explanation of Scripture! And, am happy that it's brought out how JWs have their OWN translation. I am an ex-Jehovah's Witness.

The JWs sadly and shamefully emphasize their apostasy in their _New World_ mistranslation of the Bible, including the 2013 edition, wherein the beginning of the Gospel of John (Jn 1:1) is rendered: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was _a god_ (emphasis added). The footnote for this verse says "Or 'was divine'." The JWs are, in fact, polytheist, and their beliefs have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Very well explained Thank You.

As an ex JW 30 years back Catholic (Hallelujah) Witnesses are also taught in Revelation that Michael the Arch Angel threw out Satan the Devil in Revelation so it must be Jesus because no one else has that authority to cast out Satan from Heaven except for Jesus because no one else died for humankind. Also it says "Micheal will stand up on behalf of his people." So this has to be Jesus according to JW because no one else will stand up for God's people at Armageddon. With this they believe that in this particular role Jesus becomes Michael the Arch Angel.

Not Catholic sources, but I hope these will help: "The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the pre-incarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the 'child' and the archangel in Rev 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in D[a]n[iel]l ." -- John A. Lees, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1930, Vol. 3, page 2048. Concerning Michael as recorded in Daniel 12:1 John Calvin states: "The twelfth chapter commenced, as we stated in yesterday's Lecture, with the angel's prediction as to the future state of the Church after the manifestation of Christ It was to be subject to many miseries, and hence this passage would soothe the sorrow of Daniel, and of all the pious, as he still promises safety to the Church through the help of God. Daniel therefore represented Michael as the guardian of the Church, and God had enjoined this duty upon Christ, as we learn from the 10th chapter of John, (John 10:28, 29.) As we stated yesterday, Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people." -- J. Calvin, COMMENTARIES ON THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET DANIEL, trans. T. Myers (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), vol. 2 p. 369. www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol25/htm/vii.htm Also, "Daniel therefore represented Michael as the guardian of the Church, and God had enjoined this duty upon Christ, as we learn from the 10th chapter of John, (John 10:28, 29.) As we stated yesterday, Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people." Theodore Beza: Daniel 10:13- Even though God could by one angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love he sends forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of angels. bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/gen.cgi?book=da&chapter=010. Daniel 12:1 - The angel here notes two things: first that the Church will be in great affliction and trouble at Christ's coming, and next that God will send his angel to deliver it, whom he here calls Michael, meaning Christ, who is proclaimed by the preaching of the Gospel. bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/gen.cgi?book=da&chapter=012 John Wesley: Daniel 10:13 Withstood me - God suffered the wicked counsels of Cambyses to take place awhile; but Daniel by his prayers, and the angel by his power, overcame him at last: and this very thing laid a foundation of the ruin of the Persian monarchies. Michael - Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ. I remained - To counter - work their designs against the people of God. Daniel 10:21 - Michael - Christ alone is the protector of his church, when all the princes of the earth desert or oppose it. bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/WesleysExplanatoryNotes/wes.cgi?book=da&chapter=010. Daniel 12:1 - For the children - The meaning seems to be, as after the death of Antiochus the Jews had some deliverance, so there will be yet a greater deliverance to the people of God, when Michael your prince, the Messiah shall appear for your salvation. bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/WesleysExplanatoryNotes/wes.cgi?book=da&chapter=012 Adam Clarke: But lo, Michael Daniel 10:13 - Gabriel, who speaks, did not leave Cyrus till Michael came to take his place. Michael, he who is like God, sometimes appears to signify the Messiah, at other times the highest or chief archangel. Indeed there is no archangel mentioned in the whole Scripture but this one. See Jude 1:9; Revelation 12:7. www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=10&verse=13#Da10_13 Jonathan Edwards: When Lucifer rebelled and set up himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and set himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and drew away a great number of angels, the Son of God, manifested himself as an opposite head, and appeared graciously to dissuade and restrain by his grace the elect angels from hearkening to Lucifer’s temptation, so that they were upheld and preserved eternal destruction at this time of great danger by the free and sovereign distinguishing grace of Christ. Herein Christ was the Saviour of the elect angels, for thought he did not save them as he did elect men from the ruin they had already deserved, and were condemned to, and the miserable, state they were already in, yet he saved them from eternal destruction they were in great danger of, and otherwise would have fallen into with the other angels. The elect angels joined with him, the glorious Michael, as their captain, while the other angels hearkened to Lucifer and joined him, and then was that literally true that fulfilled afterwards figuratively. Rev xii.“When there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was there place found any more heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was case out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 2, Banner of Truth, 1979 reprint, p. 606.) John Gill: Daniel 10:13 - but, lo, Michael one of the chief Princes, came to help me; called in the New Testament an Archangel, the Prince of angels, the Head of all principality and power; and is no other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is "one", or "the first of the chief Princes" {x}, superior to angels, in nature, name, and office. www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=10&verse=13 Daniel 10:21 - and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your Prince; Christ the Prince of the kings of the earth, he was the Prince, Protector, and Guardian of the people of the Jews; he is the Angel that went before them in the wilderness, and guarded them in it, and guided them into the land of Canaan www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=010&verse=021 Daniel 12:1 - The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ; who is as God www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=012&verse=001 Another prophecy in Dan. xii. 1, 2, 3. represents the second and personal coming of Christ; for he is meant by Michael, who is as God, as his name signifies, equal to him; the great prince, the prince of the kings of the earth, and the head of all principalities and powers.(A Complete Body of Practical and Doctrinal Divinity, The Baptist Standard Bearer, 1987 reprint, p. 617.) "... for as for Michael, the Archangel. he seems to be no other than Christ." A Complete Body of Practical and Doctrinal Divinity, Abridged by William Staughton (1810) books.google.com/books?id=J9oOAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22A+Complete+Body+of+Practical+and+Doctrinal+Divinity%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Yk0ZUregK6b62gW6uoHoDA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22A%20Complete%20Body%20of%20Practical%20and%20Doctrinal%20Divinity%22&f=false, p. 182 Matthew Henry: Daniel 12:1 - The angel had told Daniel what a firm friend Michael was to the church, ch. 10:21. He all along showed this friendship in the upper world; the angels knew it; but now Michael shall stand up in his providence, and work deliverance for the Jews, when he sees that their power is gone, Deu. 32:3. 6. Christ is that great prince, for he is the prince of the kings of the earth, Rev. 1:5. bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/MatthewHenryComplete/mhc-com.cgi?book=da&chapter=012 "There seems good reason for regarding Michael as the Messiah. Such was the opinion of the best among the ancient Jews.... With this all the Bible representations of Michael agree. He appears as the Great Prince who standeth for Israel (Dan. xii. I), and he is called "the Prince of Israel" (Dan. x. 21). -- William L. Alexander, ed., A CYCLOPEDIA OF BIBLICAL LITERATURE, originally edited by John Kitto, 3d ed. (Edinburgh: A & C Black, 1886). vol. 3, p. 158. "This being 'a war in the heaven,' and waged by Michael, who is Christ (whose warfare is not like that of earthly kings), and by His messengers, is an intellectual and polemical warfare."-J. D. Glasgow, Commentary on the Apocalypse (1872). "We have shown elsewhere that the Archangel Michael is an image of Christ victoriously combatant. Christ is an Archangel in His quality of judge; and He appears as judge, not only at the end of the world, but also in the preservation of the purity of His Church."-Lange's Commentary (1874), on Rev. 12:1-12, Exegetical and Critical Synoptic View, p. 238. "'Michael and his angels' on one side, and 'the dragon and his angels' on the other. Christ, the great angel of the covenant, and his faithful followers; and Satan and all his instruments. This latter party would be much superior in number and outward strength to the other; but the strength of the church lies in having the Lord Jesus for the Captain of their salvation."-Matthew Henry's Commentary. "The idea of the heavenly being who thus comes to view as a feature in old apocalyptic tradition is the source of the conception of the heavenly Messiah-the Son of Man. . . . We have already seen that the heavenly being 'like unto a son of man' of Dan. 7 was probably identified by the author . . . with Israel's angel-prince Michael; this angelic being was later, it would seem, invested with Messianic attributes, and so became the pre-existent heavenly Messiah."-Abingdon Bible Commentary, p.846.

I have been told that Seventh Day Adventists also believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel.

@TheCaledonianBoy

9 жыл бұрын

+Sara K A number of theologians and scholars from a variety of denominations believe Jesus to be Michael. With a good look at the passages that speak of Michael the Archangel you can see why they come to that conclusion.

@sarak6860

9 жыл бұрын

What are the denominations?

@hotwax9376

8 жыл бұрын

+Sara K Adventists believe that Jesus is God, but they also believe that Michael the Archangel is simply another name for Jesus. Having been raised SDA and going to an SDA church nearly my entire life to date, I know that much for a fact.

@hotwax9376

8 жыл бұрын

I've been told by the SDAs that archangel means "ruler of angels" rather than "ruling angel," but I haven't found any evidence to back that up. I should probably check a concordance.

@karlos6628

8 жыл бұрын

yes sda believe Jesus and Michael are the same, except sda don't believe Michael was created . that is a big difference.

That was a good answer. I'm nobody special but I used to see this 1 JW every week. I showed him love by enjoying to talk to him. After 2 months he stopped talking to me. I just don't know what happened to him.

@bass0111

9 жыл бұрын

John283T You likely gave him too many truths he was unable to refute! Oh well, if he'd rather follow Russell than Jesus, that's his choice,

@John283T

9 жыл бұрын

bass0111 I don't think I gave him too many truths. When he wasn't there I told him I missed him because I liked talking to him. He could see I didn't side with him, but neither was I threatened by him. I told him he was unable of understanding what I knew because God told me, and I couldn't explain it. Stuff like that.

In the book of revelations chapter 7 the Seraphim's Are mentioned separately from the Angels

@karlos6628

9 жыл бұрын

there are different kind of angels-SERAPHS/Angels/ but there is only 1 ARCH-ANGEL-interesting right

Hebrews 1,4,6 = Revelation 20:1,2, Rev 1:18

The Watchtower Russellites may not be honored with the name "Christian". It is UN Catholic to say they ARE. Please accept this correction.

@hotwax9376

8 жыл бұрын

+Alex Santana I am a Protestant, but I completely agree. Jehovah's Witnesses are not true Christians because they do not believe that Jesus is God.

@alexsantana3588

8 жыл бұрын

Indeed there is only ONE Christ of Divine Revelation and it certainly is not the Christ of the Watchtower. They actually have more in common with the Mohammedans than they do with Christians. If anything they should be called Neo-Arians or something.

@alexsantana3588

8 жыл бұрын

Your question did not make sense to me ... it is incoherent. Please ask again.

@TheCaledonianBoy

8 жыл бұрын

+Alex Santana How has the Catholic Church honoured Jesus so that they may be classed as Christian?

@alexsantana3588

8 жыл бұрын

The Source and Summit of the Church's life is Jesus Christ in the Most Blessed Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist. He is our Immanuel, our God with us, the Son of God and the Son of the Virgin Mary. We are the true and bona fide Christians in the fullest sense of the word.

John283T I had the same thing one creepy thing too was he's all well hell is a dark place don't you wanna see Jesus come back and see suffering stopped I said that is not our place we do only what Jesus the spirit tells us that tells me right there your wrong !! And then he was just gone never seen him again!! Had a weird look to him!!

Noone took lucifers place in heaven when he was the ranking angel but christs death and resurrection made him the Supreme of all angels he and his father with the holy spirit are united ❤

I appreciate this many thanks indeed

Judges 5:13-15 "When Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua walked up to him and asked: "Are you on our side or on the side of our adversaries?" To this he said "No, but I have come as prince of Jehovah's army. With that Joshua fell with his face to the ground and prostrated himself and said to him: "What does my lord have to say to his servant?" The prince of Jehovah's army replied to Joshua: "Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy." At once Joshua did so." The word "prince" means "chief", "ruler", "commander"......or "Arche" in Greek as in "Archangel". So WHO was this ruler of God's army of angels (Archangel) who had the authority and divinity to command holy ground? The Messiah perhaps???

@karlos6628

8 жыл бұрын

all bibles say. commander of the heavenly host , what bible you reading that says PRINCE ?

??? i thought u had to believe that Jesus is God in order to call yourself a christian

@TheCaledonianBoy

9 жыл бұрын

+vivacristo rey No where in scripture is this taught. On the other hand what we are told is that we must believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

@IcePrincess619

8 жыл бұрын

they will not bow down to Jesus Christ. they acknowledge jesus as "a god" but not say that he's Almighty GOD. funny if there's 1 GOD (the trinity) then obviously Jesus is GOD. that IS the one. if God gave all authority to jesus.. yes all names under the almighty GOD head is in the trinity.

@TheCaledonianBoy

8 жыл бұрын

+Hilasmos I You use a disputed rendering of Heb 1:8 to make your point that God is a 3 person God. Even if your preferred translation is correct it still does not teach what you have stated is God. There is no single unambiguous statement in the scripture that teaches that God is a trinity," all in one nature but three in person" Many of the trinitarian proof texts seem to be either disputed texts or disputed in their rendering, Heb 1:8 bing the perfect example. Why not use passages that are clear and agreed on by all. John 17:3 "3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.". All bible versions agree, all scholars and translators agree, all ancient manuscripts agree, these are the undisputed words of our Lord Jesus Christ. What did he clearly say? that the Father (vs 1) is the only true God. Why do you not believe Jesus words?

@benn93z28

8 жыл бұрын

+Hilasmos I That's not Jehovah talking; Hebrews 1:8 is a direct quote of Psalms 45:6, 7 (which in itself is a song addressed to a human king, possibly Solomon): "“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. You rule with a scepter of justice. You love justice and hate evil. Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you, pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else.” (ESV) The writer in Hebrews is simply applying that scripture to Jesus, as he does with verses 5-13, which are quotes from Psalms 2:7; 104:4; 102:25-27; 110:1; 2 Samuel 7:14; Deuteronomy 32:43;

@TheCaledonianBoy

8 жыл бұрын

I agree with you here at Heb 1:8 and other vss in Hebrews 1. I do not believe that Heb 1:10-12 is about Jesus as this is a quote in Psalms originally about Jehovah, the Father.

Did the Witnesses make up the idea that Jesus was also the Archangel? Or, was this doctrine developed long before the Watchtower existed? Below are Baptist, Methodist, Calvinistic and Judaic commentaries supporting the doctrine. Folks, this has been accepted by most Bible scholars since the reformation in the sixteenth century. The Jesus have believed the Son of man was an angel, perhaps Michael for two thousand years before Jesus was born. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible "Yet Michael the archangel,.... By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Daniel 10:21. So Philo the Jew (o) calls the most ancient Word, firstborn of God, the archangel; Uriel is called the archangel in this passage from the Apocrypha:Jude 1:9" biblehub.com/commentaries/jude/1-9.htm Joshua 5:13 and, behold, there stood a man over against him; not a mere man, nor a created angel in an human form, but a divine Person in such a form, even the Son of God, who frequently appeared in this manner to the patriarchs; as is clear from the worship paid unto him by Joshua, by his calling him Lord, and owning himself to be his servant; and by the ground on which he stood, being holy through his presence, as well as by his title, the Captain of the Lord's host. Jarchi says, this is Michael, which, if understood of Michael the uncreated angel, the head of all principality and power, is right, who is always meant by Michael, whenever he is spoken of in Scripture; and so this is interpreted by the ancient Jews F11 of the Angel the Redeemer: www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/joshua-5-13.html Geneva Study Bible Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and g did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? (g) In that Joshua worships him, he acknowledges him to be God: and in that he calls himself the Lords captain he declares himself to be Christ. www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/geneva-study-bible/joshua/joshua-5.html Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible Joshua 5:13 He appeared to him as a man, but a considerable man, and one fit to be taken notice of. Now, 1. We have reason to think that this man was the Son of God, the eternal Word, who, before he assumed the human nature for a perpetuity, frequently appeared in a human shape. www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/joshua/5.html Wesley's Explanatory Notes Joshua 5:14 As captain - I am the chief captain of this people, and will conduct and assist thee and them in this great undertaking. Now this person is not a created angel, but the son of God, who went along with the Israelites in this expedition, as their chief and captain. And this appears, By his acceptance of adoration here, which a created angel durst not admit of, Revelation 22:8 ,9. Because the place was made holy by his presence, Joshua 5:15 , which was God's prerogative, Exodus 3:5 . Because he is called the Lord, Heb. Jehovah, Joshua 6:2 . My Lord - I acknowledge thee for my Lord and captain, and therefore wait for thy commands, which I am ready to obey www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/wesleys-explanatory-notes/joshua/joshua-5.html Jewish Encyclopedia "Similarly in Aramaic, "son of man" is the usual designation for "man," and occurs in the inscriptions in Syriac, Mandaic, Talmudic, and other dialects (see Nathanael Schmidt in Cheyne and Black, "Encyc. Bibl." iv. 4707-4708). In Dan. vii. 13, the passage in which it occurs in Biblical Aramaic, it certainly connotes a "human being." Many see a Messianic significance in this verse, but in all probability the reference is to an angel with a human appearance, perhaps Michael." www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13913-son-of-man

Luke 10:22 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.” (Revelation 19:16) . . .On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. Revelation 2:17 .I will give him a white pebble, and written on the pebble is a new name that no one knows except the one receiving it.’ Philippians 2:9, 10 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend-of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground Revelation 19:12, 13 He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. John 1:1 .In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. Daniel 12:1.During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. Revelation 12:7-10 .war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. I heard a loud voice in heaven say Revelation 12:10 Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

Aren't non-Trinitarians not Christian by definition?

joseluis goncalves You stated "You my friend are wrong". Prove it.

@frankmarzig1972

9 жыл бұрын

X -Rez jesus is not an angel. the translation is the word was with God and the word WAS God and the word became flesh. the word is not named Michael, Yeshua translated means God is salvation in hebrew. Yeshua is taking God's name with him as a human. Jesus also said "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) equating Himself with the Father. no angel would die on the cross for the forgiveness of all sin, angels dont have that authority Finally Jesus said "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"(Matthew 28:17-20) no angel would have all authority over heaven and earth, only God does therefore Jesus is God!

@frankmarzig1972

9 жыл бұрын

satan is God of THIS world, Jesus is the creator and God of ALL worlds. Jesus is God!

@frankmarzig1972

9 жыл бұрын

incorrect, Jesus equated himself to God the Father many times. Jesus is the word made flesh. nothing that was created wasnt created through the word. the word then became flesh. Jesus is the creator of all we see and cant see. Jesus is one with God the Father and the holy spirit. Jesus is God!

@frankmarzig1972

9 жыл бұрын

correct but if we read the beginning we see this:John 14:6-14Contemporary English Version (CEV) 6 “I am the way, the truth, and the life!” Jesus answered. “Without me, no one can go to the Father. 7 If you had known me, you would have known the Father. But from now on, you do know him, and you have seen him.” 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.” 9 Jesus replied: Philip, I have been with you for a long time. Don’t you know who I am? If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. How can you ask me to show you the Father? 10 Don’t you believe that I am one with the Father and that the Father is one with me? What I say isn’t said on my own. The Father who lives in me does these things. 11 Have faith in me when I say that the Father is one with me and that I am one with the Father. Or else have faith in me simply because of the things I do. 12 I tell you for certain that if you have faith in me, you will do the same things that I am doing. You will do even greater things, now that I am going back to the Father. 13 Ask me, and I will do whatever you ask. This way the Son will bring honor to the Father. 14 I will do whatever you ask me to do. so we see here Jesus has equated himself with God once again saying Jesus is one with the Father. Jesus is our creator and Saviour, Jesus is God!

@frankmarzig1972

9 жыл бұрын

God is using Jesus as a veil because no one can see the Father and live. the Father is greater than Jesus Because Jesus is human and fallible. God is perfect and infallible. since Jesus was resurrected bodily he would be returning to heaven in that body but still be fully God. you are trying to put God in a box so you can understand him, you cant. God didnt die, only a body died. an angel cant be sent to forgive sins, thats something only God can do yet Jesus forgave sin. Jesus is God the creator, Jesus is God, never EVER an angel. it's blasphemy to say otherwise. may the Lord guide you.

Before Abraham I am.....what does it mean? Maybe the sheperd was actually walking before Abraham through his life?? Just a thought. A Jehovas Witness suggested it.

If we are to be like children to enter the kingdom of heaven why is the theology required so complicated?

I would think the best way to learn about any religion would have to be to go to that religions information not to go to a religion that hates that religion that makes no sense why not tell him to go to Jehovah's Witnesses information themselves to listen to them out of their mouth that's not listening to rumors we hear it out of the horse's mouth not the horses haters now goodbye and I am not I was witness I just got common sense

First is Micheal is a saint in catholic religion the holy spirit is spoken in all bible i have gone to christin church which they talk about a lot .. Jehovah means god in hebrew we are not jewish ....jehovah witness use jehovah because it will scare the devil ...the lord is with all of us ..we all fight the devil in our daily lives the lord is with us and protect us all

PROVE MICHAEL IS A ANGEL PROVE ARCH ANGEL MEANS LOWER BEING AND NOT LEADER OR CHEIF MESSENGER

Does this look like they are equal >>>>>> Revelation 1:1, 2 .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John, who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave,. . .

1 Th-4:16 ... Jesus and the archangel are clearly both linked with "descending from heaven with a commanding call... they are both linked with voice of the archangel...they are both linked with the trumpet of God...They are both linked with resurrecting the dead at that time. The commanding call and the voice of the archangel is one and the same..coming from Jesus who is also Michael the archangel.

Now, for a good comparison, lets see what Christ said when He was on Earth. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:25-29 If we compare the two Bible texts above (1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:25-28) we see one of the strongest cases for supporting the idea that Michael is Jesus. We saw that there were two possible meanings to: "the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice" 1 Thessalonians 4:16. They are: (1) the archangel could be shouting for Jesus; or (2) Jesus could be doing the shouting Himself and he is using the voice of an archangel because He is Michael the Archangel. Which one is it? John 5:25 and 28 solves the problem: "the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God". "all that are in the graves shall hear his voice". So in 1 Thessalonians, its the archangel's voice, but in John 5, it is the voice of the Son of God! One cannot be wrong and the other right. Michael the Archangel must be Jesus! Now that we know that it is Jesus Himself who is doing the shouting, we can read 1 Thessalonians 4:16 with new eyes. What 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is really saying, is that Jesus descends from heaven shouting with the voice of the Archangel. Thus, Jesus is doing the shouting but with His own Archangel's voice! This comparison shows that the Archangel really is Jesus. Also, there is another point to consider; In both Thessalonians and John, we see that the voice causes the resurrection of life to the righteous dead. The dead in Christ will rise when they hear His voice. Both Scripture must be describing the same event so Jesus and Michael must be the same person.

@truthsetufree777

7 жыл бұрын

This is a very weak argument...sorry. The dead could very possibly hear another voice from Jesus...it doesn't have to be the archangel's shouting voice. That's nothing more than your own speculation to suit your idea (or that of the Watchtower). Hebrews 1 simply destroys the idea that Jesus is an angel. Jesus created the angels and they will worship Him. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last (Rev. 1 and Rev. 22). He is the one whose glory Isaiah saw, according to John (John 12:41) and who is in fact Yahweh, according to Isaiah (Isaiah 6:1). So yeah, the Bible says that Jesus is Jehovah of the old testament. Go to jesusisyhwh.blogspot.ca/ for more info. on this topic. Again, I'm sorry to say this but your argument was really empty.

@misred28

7 жыл бұрын

TruthSetUFree 77 who says that JESUS or Michael is an angel? There is not one verse that Michael is being referred as an angel... Archangel means the chief messenger let's look to youngs literal translation 1 thess. 4:16 because the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall rise first, Have you studied the voice of JESUS? JESUS voice is compared with a trumpet. JESUS voice sounds like a trumpet! 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Thessalonians 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: John 5:25 and 28 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, One text says the dead will hear the voice of JESUS, but the other text says that it is at the last trumpet that the dead will rise. They are all describing one event... Rev. 1:10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. Rev4:1After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” Joshua worshiped MICHAEL the Commander of army of the LORD! And he said, Nay; but as Commander of army of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and DID WORSHIP, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? And the Commander of the LORD'S army said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. Joshua 5:14-15 In Revelation, when John tried to worship an angel, the angel told him not to do that: "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it NOT: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." (Revelation 19:10) We are not to worship create Revelation 12 we saw that it was Michael the Archangel who was leading the army of angels. Now in Revelation 19 it is Jesus. Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Revelation 19:11-14 We now see in verse 13 that it is The Word of God who leads the armies of heaven! From John 1:1 we read: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." So, the Word of God is Jesus. Jesus is leading the armies of heaven! And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Rev. 19:19 Make a comparative scripture that's how you study the BIBLE sir... For me yours is weak!!!!!!

@misred28

7 жыл бұрын

TruthSetUFree 77 there is only one group of armies in heaven Michael and JESUS are the same... And NO they are not angel

@alexdavidgarcia5486

7 жыл бұрын

"May Cordova" I can prove to any Jehovah Witness with their on NWT Bible that Jesus Christ our Lord has the same attributes that God the Father does. Jesus is God in the Flesh. I have debated plenty of JW’s on You Tube where they stop to answer any of my questions and block me. Not because I’m a very smart person, but I use a thing called common sense and logic very well. Even though the NWT is very corrupted and mistranslated there is still scriptures from that version that have Jesus with the same attributes and titles of God. All those people who translated the NWT bible had No Academic Qualifications from any University in Hebrew or Greek. How sad. I have, from an Accredited University. We can go over New and Old Testament in their original languages Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek to gain a deeper understanding of the Bible Scriptures. That is my Forte. Try me. NWT I-I am Jehovah,+ and besides me there is no savior.”+ Isaiah 43:11 Remember that Jehovah God Can't Lie or Change the decisions He makes. Jehovah very clear states "Besides Him there is NO Savior. Is there any other Savior other than Jehovah? I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else,* Nor my praise to graven images.+ Isaiah 42:8 Remember that Jehovah God Can't Lie or Change the decisions He makes. Jehovah very clear states He won't give His Praise or Glory to NO ONE ELSE. Can someone else other than Jehovah receive Praise and Glory even Worship? Isaiah 44:6 [The Lord, Not Idols ] “This is what the Lord says- Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. Remember that Jehovah God Can't Lie or Change the decisions He makes. Jehovah very clear states that He is the First and the Last. Can someone else be the First and the Last besides Jehovah? Once again Isaiah 44:6 This is what Jehovah says, The King of Israel+ and his Repurchaser,+ Jehovah of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last.+ There is no God but me. Remember that Jehovah God Can't Lie or Change the decisions He makes. Jehovah very clear states that there is NO other God, but only Jehovah. Is Jesus any kind of God? Psalms 102:24-26 I said: “O my God, Do not do away with me in the middle of my life, You whose years span all generations.+ 25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.+ 26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. In these 3 verses of Psalms who are they speaking of? Can it be attributed to Someone else. Why is David the Firstborn? Who is our Firstborn of Jehovah? Jesus or David. We have a big dilemma now. The etymology of “Firstborn” has actually two very distinct meanings. It is very seldom known as “first created” in the bible. It usually means “Preeminence” like in Psalm 89:27 (NWT Bible) 27 And I will place him as firstborn,+ The highest of the kings of the earth. Who is your God Jehovah speaking of? We know its King David. Actually King David was the {{{{{{Last One Born}}}}}} of all the siblings LOL!!!! I ask you my friend who is the “FIRSTBORN” of Jehovah Jesus Christ or King David? Maybe they are twins and were born at the same time. Remember that sometimes we need to use Common Sense and Logical Reasoning. In the Book of Revelations who is the one “COMING”? 7. "Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelations 1:7-8 Revelations 22 12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. Jehovah God just demoted Himself to “mighty” with a small “g” Why? “Now therefore, our God, the great God, mighty and awesome, who keeps his covenant of love, do not let all this hardship seem trifling in your eyes-the hardship that has come on us, on our kings and leaders, on our priests and prophets, on our ancestors and all your people, from the days of the kings of Assyria until today. Nehemiah 9:32 Please try to answer this questions w/o deviating from the topic. This is where NO JW’s can give me a definitive answer to this questions. On You Tube either they block me or I won’t hear zilch from them ever again. I have proof of all I say LOL. God bless you. Remember that I’m using the NWT that only JW’s use. I'm verily just getting started with you my friend.

By definition there is only one Archangel. Arch means highest and angel means messenger. The highest messenger is the messenger of the covenant. Christ is the messenger of the covenant. So by definition Michael is Christ. It really is just that simple. Michal is not an angel. Nowhere does the Bible say that Michael is an angel as people think of angel. Michael is THE angel of the LORD. Michael is THE messenger of the LORD. Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:1 Behold, I (The LORD) will send my messenger (angel), and he shall prepare the way before me (the Father when he comes in the holy city the New Jerusalem): and the Lord (the messenger), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant (Archangel/highest messenger), whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Seventh Day Adventists, however, do believe that Jesus Christ is divine and the Savior, while Jehovah's Witnesses do not.

@MarlomRV

9 жыл бұрын

+Sara K Who told you that they do not??

@TheMaskhadov

8 жыл бұрын

+Marlom Ruivvo You're basically Arians.

@IcePrincess619

8 жыл бұрын

+Hilasmos I wow. now Muslim try to tag along too. they will say they know jesus but Muslim false teaching information is that Jesus is like moses and just a prophet and not the massiah.

@TheMaskhadov

8 жыл бұрын

Misael Santos So you think someone with a beard looks like a girl well I don't know who done your sex ed

@TheMaskhadov

8 жыл бұрын

Misael Santos The nagels of the bible, you mean an artistic rendition of them, You are talking nonsense. They look kinda gay whatever. Jesus has long hair woah, we know it is an artistic rendition Jesus probably had short hair but does that matter. Does the fact that Jesus have long hair or short really matter to you. Angels are sexless creations so to refer to them as gay is stupid and God is the creator including Jesus once again can't be gay so your point is stupid.

Princes means chief, Michael is chief of angels. Christ and God are called chief because they're the same

@Audiowizard76

9 жыл бұрын

then why are they sepeartely named?

@karlos6628

9 жыл бұрын

Do you mean chirst and GOD are the same person-or the same in equality ? thanks

The Trinity is a man-made belief. So much, King James, I had to create his own bible to co-inside with his beliefs.

Jesus NEVER EVER claimed to be God. When Jesus was baptised, why did God have to approve of Jesus's baptism if Jesus was God in any way.

Right... cause the Bible mentioned the "trinity"...(sarcasm). People always make fun Jehovah's Witnesses, but they never take a chance to actually realize their teachings... make sense. I had been revealed that But there can't be two Princes of Peace. Jesus is NOT God. He can't pray to himself or talk to himself. That will make him a lunatic, which he's the opposite of. Michael was first born. Jesus even said he witnessed the creation of the Earth. Argo, who had to be born first to see the creation of the world? I mean it's common sense... I don't hate Catholics, or any faith, but they seem too lost in tradition.

@nicholascollins4907

10 жыл бұрын

That would assume that Jesus was born. Jesus the Son coexisted with the father before all time with the Holy Spirit. Nowhere does the bible indicate that the Son was created spiritually. Michael was first born among the angels but he was created through the Holy Trinity. Michael is subordinate and would not assume equivalence, which shows that Christ and Michael are two separate people in Matthew 28:19 "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" If we assume that angels are created by God. That all things that are created by God are lesser than God. Then Christ saying to baptize people in the name of the Father, Himself and the Holy Spirit proves that Christ is equal to God and not an angel.

@Audiowizard76

9 жыл бұрын

and translation!