"It's not in the dictionary, but the dictionary was written by an intern at Thrasher in 1992." Just brilliant.

@ianturnbow7011

3 жыл бұрын

That intern was friends with Jacob Phelper’s dog.

@DCSk8er529

2 жыл бұрын

It's still a nice trick regardless.

I still consider a f/s overcrook a trick separate from front nose grinds. Because with a front nose grind I put all my weight on my front toes when I'm grinding. With a f/s overcrook, I ollie over the rail and land on it with my weight on my front heel. So the two tricks are done differently.

Yes there's a FS over crook. There's also a salad grind and pivot grind which are separate from a 5-0. It's a different trick that requires a different approach. Therefore it requires a different name.

@estian1440

2 жыл бұрын

Fs Overcrook/Noseblunt popped out before the end of the rail or ledge you know this you feel the Kingpin click over. Fs Overcrook/Noseblunt popped out before the end of the rail or ledge you know this you feel the Kingpin click over.

“Yo radrats back ready to slap ass and pass gas” radrat 2020

@fernandoreyes680

3 жыл бұрын

Never gets old

"That game doesn't make sense if you don't skate" sums up my experience with Skater XL as a non-skater. I have a basic knowledge of what I am doing because of the trick names and from watching skaters on KZread play it, but I'm still mostly unsure if what I'm doing makes sense.

@ShogunateDaimyo

3 жыл бұрын

It's more of a simulator than an arcade game so yeah that makes sense and it's why I can session a spot for an hour+ and still have fun

@SwiftNipples

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShogunateDaimyoI still enjoy the game and will spend hours trying to get a single line filmed, but I'm never sure if it is realistic or looks like actual skateboarding. In part because when I watch actual skateboarding everything move so fast I can't comprehend what is going on.

@commentcontrol7187

3 жыл бұрын

@@SwiftNipples its not just the speed, its cause you have no reference. is a laser flip hard? is a hardflip hard? is a 360 flip harder than an inward heelflip? what's different between a front shuv and a bs shuv? what's a lipslide anyways? if you don't skate you don't have a clue what anything is, what's hard and what's harder, and what's possible. To a non skater it just looks like the board is popping and spinning randomly before magically sticking back to the skaters feet

@satans120

3 жыл бұрын

@@SwiftNipples who gives a shit if your doing real tricks who is going to see it but you its a game play it and just have fun

They are still real to me damn it!!

When your ex sends you that "I miss you" text 8:30

5:20 just the other day I was watching your THPS2 review and I noticed it's quite short compared to other reviews. Because it's your favorite game maybe it would deserve a remaster! 😄

Thanks for answering my questions. You rock!

finally an answer to the is overcrooks fs and bs

@joejoe2658

3 жыл бұрын

yep, total bs.

if there are front and back crooks, there are front and back overcrooks. the funner analogy was really bad because it doesn’t actually work the way you’ve applied it. it definitely would be in the dictionary because whenever i see people do it in magazines, in videoparts, in contests, etc. when it’s noticeably crooked (not just a little but a genuine crooked grind via hopping over the rail to the other side and then locking into the rail, ALWAYS call it a FS overcrook.

You should do more tony hawk challenge runs! Love your videos

Oh you mean noseblunt with a wheel?

Your outro music is still so peaceful I love it

Always great content 👍

Great video keep it up 👊🏼👊🏼

When I was a kid I would draw flipbooks in the bottom corner of my notebooks at school. I often drew a skateboard just doing tricks. As an adult now I do some graphic design stuff but I haven't gotten into digital animation (yet, anyways)

Yes, thank you Rad Rat! I have always done this trick on square rails and stubbornly called it FS Overcrook!!! My thoughts on this are based on that the fact that I was never able to do a straight Nosegrind on a rail or a ledge. The only way I could touch my front truck FS had to be on a square rail and crooked over to the side like you said. There was just no way I ever felt right about calling it a FS Nosegrind. Still call it Overcrook to this day and think I will continue doing so from here on out!

I agree with your position on FS "overcrook"s. The first time i heard the term "overcrook" was when THPS1 or THPS2 came out. After that, everyone started saying it.

15:37 Yeah Right! Rad Rat the oracle over here.

I guessed you worked in marketing. Your logo and brand is great

@dylanmathew5387

3 жыл бұрын

Prob does still don’t think he’s big enough to do full time

With all the crazy stuff going on in the world, at the end of the day this is the stuff that I really care about. The absolute minutia of skateboarding. Exactly what I want to hear. Frontside overcrooks? Only if you really, REALLY mean it. You've got it bang on.

Great explanation of the fs overcrook! Love your vids

Phew, I'm glad to agree with your thoughts on those overcrooks. Good stuff

wouldn't a pop shove with a body varial be like a 180 shove it or a small bigspin?

Can't believe that the FS Overcrook thing is even debated. Skaters can intentionally crook their frontside "nosegrinds" so why would it be anything other than a frontside overcrook?

I'd have to disagree. Yes, when you pinch your toe too much on a fs nose grind on a rail like you normally might on a flat ledge your board will probably turn, some people's style it turns a lot more than others. But on a fs overcrook you would pop over the rail to a crooked grind, pinching on the heal just like you do on a ledge for a bs crook. I do my nose grinds on ledge or rail straight and if I saw someone do an "overcrooked" style on a rail and said it was a nose grind I would NOT care, though to say its NOT a trick I think is going too far. There are too many styles to be that picky, BUT if i was to purposely attempt a fs overcrook, I would do it as described above. I pose a question: what if it was ledge? what if the skater popped over a thin box and crooked the opposite side? would it be a nose grind? is there a difference between grinds on a rail vs a ledge? Discuss.

Hey dude, how do you get a question on ask rad rat? Do you got an email for it cause I don't use Twitter.

14:30 onward basically sums it up

Correct me if I'm wrong, but while all the acoustic foam looks pretty cool, i just have to put it out there that I'm pretty sure using that much is a waste. You only really need a few pieces scattered around depending on where you'll be sitting and that will do what you want it to. But if you were going for aesthetics, it's a cool look.

Carlos ribeiro had a nollie flip nosegrind down a rail in the encore video

Technically 'funner' and 'funnest' are words: www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-funner-and-funnest-real-words-usage Merriam-Webster has pretty much the same perspective you gave. If it's a word that people use, and other people understand what is meant when it's used, it's a word.

if the wheel is rolling with the grind, Nosegrind. if the wheel is sliding with the grind... Crooks or Overcrooks.

I was taught from a skate shop worker that there is no front over crook ig it’s all opinion but we would usually call them nosegrinds

i think the thing with fs overcrooks/nosegrind is with wheel ur locked into

But what about a fs overcrook on a ledge? Harder than a nosegrind.

Completely agree with your Fs Overcrook conclusion. Same lane of thinking should apply for Fs Suskis too in my opinion; if in doubt call it a 5-0, but if it's tweaked out like 45+ degrees then it's a Fs Suski.

Hey man, regarding the logo; VHB is really strong double-sided tape. Try it.

Can you do more sick mode only type challenges or have you already conquered them all ?

solid reasoning

I say fuck yeah frontside overcrook is a real trick. If i keep it straight, shes a nosegrind. If she goes crooked, shes crooked

If there is a crooked grind, there is an overcrook. Plain and simple.

100% agree with your views on the FS overcrook. I really feel like skate language is almost regional. This was not even a debate in the late 90s or early 2000s where I grew up. And there are just other tricks names that are "cannon" that we had our own names for. Probably because the internet was not what it is today, so it wasn't as easy to standardize on trick names. I can also say we were all fucking confused with hardflips as well because of video games. Fuck that weird looking hardflip in Tony Hawk.

Of course they are real...

But what about FS Salads? Theyre just 5-0s?

Lol I haven’t finished the video but if he says it’s fake, I actually have a clip of a friend doing a fs over crook. He backed me up with it after I did a fs lip down this rail.

I would like to see more thps remake content please and thank you

...but the dictionary was written by an intern at Thrasher in 1992. Agreed..

Asked a pro I know the f/s overcrooks question & was told "Yes basically they do. Everything is just nose grinds with a little extra flavor added to them"

Glue some flat thumb tacks to the back of your logo and stick it in to the foam

@likespinningpats

3 жыл бұрын

Nevermind, wrong kind of foam

i push mongo switch/fakie and always like when i see pros do it, even though it's much less common these days. i'm of the opinion that fs overcrooks exist and is a separate trick from a nosegrind

What is it called if I pop shove it and body varial the opposite way.

@Doppelganger93

3 жыл бұрын

?

@commentcontrol7187

3 жыл бұрын

pop shuvit body varial, it's only a backside 180 if you body varial the same way

Do a brand breakdown it is me fav series made by u , plz make one episode of it plz

Ollie over the target and turn backside a little into... Fs overcrook... it exists

“Tweaked FS nosegrinds” are my answer. These semantic distinctions are all relative, and even arbitrary.

I personally always thought front over crook never existed.

I think the bottom line when it comes to FS Overcrooks is in the name Overcrook. If your tail goes all the way over the rail and you're in a crooked grind, then it's an overcrook regardless of FS/BS. Edit: That being said, I don't think you could FS Overcrook on a ledge.

@TheDeadKingsRaven

3 жыл бұрын

If you’re still on the grind but it’s almost a nose blunt then I’d still call it an overcrook.

Australian rules.... Overcricked Grind

Is it just me or does that Street Sk8er game look awesome? Its almost meme good.

@freyav.5500

3 жыл бұрын

It’s fun and has some entertainment value because of all its oddities but the controls are really horrid and spoil that fun.

Bad jedi librarian. No fs over kook

from now on i will only refer to the homies as skate colleagues

Is FS nosegrind and overcrook the new 360 shove and impossible? Lol

@odex2002

3 жыл бұрын

what do you mean by new? This debate is at least decade long

@Chabon209

3 жыл бұрын

An impossible and 360 shuv are very different. An impossible specifically wraps around the foot.

@yamasultani8481

3 жыл бұрын

Chabon Esparza Jr you would think it is very different, but there is famously a lot of grey area with that trick.

@ashmyblunt

3 жыл бұрын

Yama Sultani bc most people can’t actually impossible, so they do a 3 shuv and call it an impossible

@cmckittrick91

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashmyblunt the vertical wrap looks much better anyway

It's literally 2024 right now and I had this question lol

I've seen people do a pop-shove and body varial the opposite way, and they call it a shove it sex change at least where I'm from.

ok the way i see it, if you put your truck down and your truck/wheel completely doesn't touch, it's a crook/overcrook.

Shane Cross’ frontside nosegrind down el Toro was really tweaked but everyone still calls it a nosegrind. Straightforward nosegrinds are basically impossible to do consistently on a round rail. There aren’t really many other tricks like that. That’s why frontside overcrooks aren’t really acknowledged.

@youngjdef

3 жыл бұрын

yeah thats the best explanation. it's a videogame trick

@skaterdudeprodutions

3 жыл бұрын

This 100%

@tacofingerz7247

3 жыл бұрын

But what about BS Overcrooks? What would it make it different?

If the flip shuvs only 180 I still say inward or outward. Inward heel outward heel inward kick outward kick

My fun fact, front crooks are easier then front nosegrinds. but hey, for me switch front tailslide is easier the normal front tailslide.

@commentcontrol7187

3 жыл бұрын

front nose is harder than front crook cause you have to keep the nose off the rail and also get the back truck over the rail

HAHAH HOLY SHIT FS OVERKCROOKS omg I cant wait to hear what you say..

Non skaters are always trying to bash us skaters for gatekeeping. They don’t understand that every structured activity or sport needs some kind of “gatekeeping”. I can see where some of them are coming from because some skaters can just be insecure or rude to the point that they are bullying beginners but most of us skaters don’t gatekeep to that extent, we’ll just maybe not consider the middle school girl who bought a skateboard from Walmart without intent on actually using it to a skater. They just got it to look trendy on insta. Every sport has some kind of gatekeeping, I just don’t understand why skaters are bashed for it so much.

If overcrooks don't exist then noseblunt slides are just nose slides. The difference is really seen on curbs. Back in the magazine days a blunt looked like a tailslide on a rail so they had to say overcrook so you new they went over the rail. Over crooks are like the noseblunt slide on curbs. Where you are over the curb and your nose points to the ground. It's the same with Bluntslides and salad grinds on curbs. Because you couldn't see how they got there in a still photo the terminology told you how they got there.

Its "more fun"

There's salad and suski grinds, why not apply the same rules to the front truck?

Overcrook is if you are coming at the rail with you facing it same applies to backside Overcrook.

Yes it’s real how is it not

there's always that one person to let you know that "funner is not a word" but why? who is the teacher they're trying to get a reward from? i do this all the time and didn't regret it until now. who do i think i am?

😂😍❤❤❤👊👊👊

I call it a crook if there’s a pinch. Nosegrind if nose does not touch

Doesnt take a rocket scientist to know this. Just because some trys to do a nose grind and cant control themselves, over shoots it and lands crooked, doesn't mean its a nose grind

well, I am dumb, but: I don't think you can blunt a rail. Only curbs and coping. The trick on a rail should be a nose or tail lip. Or possibly overnose overtail.

I will defend "Muska hardflips" to the death. It's absolutely not a pop shove if done properly.

Rad Rat, was clothing in the 80s. I had some Rad Rat shorts, and some Rad Rat shirts in the 80s. I thought you were trying to make your stuff look like that. Rad Rat clothing was sold at Target and Kohls in the 80s.

Oh I commented early lol I guess I agree after all

Track racing games are always reviewed by people who have no idea about racing and are always wowed by surface things and don’t realize what’s missing, what’s important or what’s good from a racing perspective and how things compare to other games

Use Velcro man

Non skater here, with this logic why wouldn’t a bs crook be considered a nose grind as well? Isn’t that just an easier (more forward facing) nose grind? Maybe crooks should only be considered crooks when they are fs...

@nnoffuture

3 жыл бұрын

No.... real nosegrinds are balanced on the truck with little to no deviation from parallel with the grind surface. No matter frontside or back overcrook or crook... proper nose grind is another level and a different trick entirely

@colossalfart

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, they kinda used to do that. Wade Speyer's "nosegrind" on Hubba Hideout would definitely be called a crooked grind today. At the time, crooks were not that popular yet so grinding your front truck was simply a nosegrind. Anyway, your logic kinda makes sense for rails (where pinch is necessary to balance), but if you think ledge/transition, crooks and nosegrinds are definitely a different trick, and overcrooks don't exist at all.

This is a clip of one I wouldn't feel justice calling a nosegrind: kzread.info/dash/bejne/paplpamGhLnccqw.html Apparently Transworld had a video whrre Dyrdek taught you how to do one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q2isqsOHXZCZgNY.html

wait wait wait. a 360 flip + 180 pivot on the ground is not a big flip. there is 180° too much spin of the board. with a pivot you had to do a varial flip plus pivot... right? 360 flip plus 180 is a "bigger" flip. right? right? I'm confused (but in the end, I think it doesn't come down to the name of the trick in a game of skate)

@commentcontrol7187

3 жыл бұрын

a 360 flip plus a 180 is indeed a biggerflip

to me a f/s overcrook exist makes no sense to say its just a wierd/easy way to to nosegrind a roundrail kinda like if you bs a rail in crooked direction and you go for a nosegrind and its realy straight if you shot it to other ppl most of them will tell you it was a crooked just cause it calls overcrook does not mean it most be harder as a f/s crooked or f/s nosegrind sometimes "advanced" tricks espically on a rail or ledge are kinda easy as the base tricks for example a 50/50 on a round rail feels most of the time harder as a smith grind but if you think about it it should be easier cause the smith should be the harder trick if you take this example to a ledge u would always say the 50/50 is way easier and the smith is way more advanced

of course its a trick, just seems obvious to me. like if there is a trick bs then there is always the same trick possible but fs. as you said you can apply the pinch logic to crooks alone. letalone the suski vs 5-0 thing which seems way more of an arguement.

I disagree. Even if you pinch the nose grind a bit, if you turn the tail out more it’s crooked. So yeah you can front over crook you just gotta push it out. It has to be relatively straight to be just nose grind even if it’s pinched a little.

FS Overcrook is a trick. Nosegrind is straight, overcrook is crooked. Plain and simple.

@skaterdudeprodutions

3 жыл бұрын

You cant do a straight nose grind on a round rail, that's the whole issue for me. You gotta turn it so it locks in, therefore there would be no distinction on round rails between the two. I'd say ledges are a different story.

@Pantouflable

2 жыл бұрын

@@skaterdudeprodutions shut up kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZ6m2aylgJq4pdI.html

the thing is technically nose grinds are nose manuals on rails ledges etc crooked grinds are "crooked nosegrinds" meaning the trucks are on lock and the nose of the board are touching the the obstacle itself. so techincally if you fs nosegrind and you pinch the angle and yet you dont lock the truck to an angle it is still a nose grind. overcrooks are overcrooks. this argument is just like asking if a fs suski grind is same with a fs 5-0 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I believe the technical reason that “funner” isn’t a word is that “fun” isn’t an adjective, it’s a noun and therefore you can’t modify it with a suffix. That why you say “I had fun” instead of “I had a fun time”. Not that it matters a ton, language is a construct.

100% are not a trick, Unless the ledge you are skating is fatter/wider than the board and trucks (Think the clipper ledge) if a regular footed person ollied over that ledge to krook on the other side. then and only then would I say that the first and ever front side overkrook was done. Kinda like how Darrell Stanton did the over fs blunt on it with that back tail approach.

The whole reason the F/S Overcrook debate exists is because the trendy "hardcore" skate mags were trying to make a statement and were attempting to be the ultimate arbiters of style in skateboarding. These are the same people who thought that bonelesses, freestyle, and grabs weren't skateboarding. It's pretty obvious that an Overcrook is a different trick which requires different technique, and just because it's easier than a F/S Nosegrind doesn't mean that the former just doesn't exist at all.

@commentcontrol7187

3 жыл бұрын

wait which mags didn't think grabs are real skateboarding and when? cause I feel like I see stalefishes, lien to tails, indy nosebones, and lots of oddball grab tricks all the time in mags

@jakeplissken

3 жыл бұрын

​@@commentcontrol7187 One I can specifically point to is a 2015 Ride Channel article called The 10 Most Hated Tricks (which was so negatively received that it was deleted, but there are still reaction threads and videos online), which, rather than being a mere historical survey as the title would suggest, the writer himself bashes benihanas, flip/grab combos, and street plants. Obviously it depends on what outlet you're reading, because opinions vary. However, there is a consistent trend with certain skateboarding media outlets of elitism regarding "rules" of skateboarding, whether that be trying to influence readers not to do tricks deemed "uncool," or in this case, whether or not a trick exists. Some people unconsciously ascribe to it as well. Kids tell me all the time that bonelesses aren't real tricks because "you can't do them in the BatB," a contest that also prohibits grabs and manuals. The point is that, like RR says, the people who say these things are just random people who work at a magazine. They are irrelevant to actual skating, but certainly influence the vacuous and gullible.

@commentcontrol7187

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakeplissken agree with you there that random guys writing mags shouldn't affect skating but I feel like airs and grabs on street are coming back and are cool in magazines now, which as stupid as it is for skating to have trends, is good for me since watching back 360 crails and kickflip indys is cool. now if only benihanas could stop being judged so harshly, that shit is so sick on flat

*"Nosegrind" - Steve Berra*

In my opinion, FS Overcrooks are a thing and here’s how to tell. If you get on a rail, front truck first, and tweak it out a bit to the side to pinch, then yes, that’s just a nosegrind. But if you deliberately and clearly pop the back truck over the rail before laying the front truck down, it’s an overcrook. I know occasionally it’s not really easy to tell, but more often than not you can see what someone was going for

I would consider it a Fs overcrook if the skater is really trying to exaggerate that technique, like if I did a nose grind and slightly turn my truck over is a nose grind. But If I were to embrace that motion and overemphasize that movement is an overcrook. Think of it as the ollie south. Your back foot always kinda gets a little off the board but it's still an ollie, if you take your back foot even more on purpose it's considered an ollie south. It's just an exaggeration of something kinda accidental and that you don't think about too much.

If Suskis are a thing, overcrooks are defo their own trick.

@fernandoreyes680

3 жыл бұрын

But suskis are never fs

@markoglazersout611

3 жыл бұрын

@@fernandoreyes680 👍