It was an ebike that got me back into cycling. A Gocycle which I used throughout lockdown and for commuting. It gave me the confidence to buy a road bike again. And I enjoy riding both. Got my weight down from 77kg to 64kg and improved my fitness. I’m 66 and think both have a place for me.

I’ve just bought my first ebike a Bianchi Omni T XT and it’s brilliant. I’ve done more miles on it in the last few week, than on my road bike. I just put on my helmet and a coat, jump on it and have a go. No lycra or clipped in shoes. I still get a work out because after 15MPH I’m peddling a 27 kilo bike. It’s a real relevant, and great fun.

An ebike got me back into cycling after a 16 year hiatus. I’m a flatlander who now lives at high altitude, and the ebike was an equalizer to help me with a couple of hills that I would never have made it up. I have a permanent health condition which makes exercise extremely difficult. On my non-ebike, I was only able to ride 2-3 miles at high altitude, but 30 (using almost no assist) on my ebike. That helped me transition back to my non-ebike, and I’m now riding 7-9 miles at altitude on a regular basis. Many people ride ebikes in what I call “scooter mode,” and don’t take advantage of the exercise benefits. That’s their choice, but it gives the whole ebike community a reputation as being lazy.

I used to be an anti-ebike snob. But that changed when I talked to a 70+ year-old man who explained that without the ebike his heart condition wouldn’t allow him to ride at all. Who am I to judge?!

@samj1185

Ай бұрын

For those who truly need an ebike, great. For most people the choice is ebike or get in shape. Cheating yourself. Just keep your times away from Strava leader boards and leave real riders alone. Strava should have a scooter category for ebikes.

Not sure I have ever soon any reviewer enjoy a test bike more than this!

I've got three "traditional" bikes and train regularly, but I do love mixing in some riding on my e-mtb. Great for recovery days, for hitting terrain not rideable on normal bike, and sometimes for a good training ride, you can put as much of your own watts as you want into the ride. "Cheating" is just something gatekeepers love to throw out there as they judge others vs riding their own ride.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

Same here, I did 160 miles on my roadbike last week, and 1 25 mile day day riding motorcycle singletrack on my E Mt bike. I would have been carrying a normal mt bike up the super steep rutted climbs, but with extreme effort I get up them on my e bike. Way too much fun!

Ohh David. Do not make the same mistake as I did. I switched from road to emtb and now, I do forest trails 90% of riding time😂

In my area, I think we all could benefit from more exercise, more resistance not an e-bike. Kids are even using electric scooters at a time when obesity is at an all time high. However, I believe e-bikes have a small place.

Cheating = Not marking your EMTB ride on Strava as an E-Bike ride and stealing KOMs... Otherwise: Do whatever you like doing.

Thanks. I saw E-bikes used in the Alps a few years back , and I thought it was the future for MTB'S. Insane climbs and longer rides ? Who doesn't want that ? BUT. on my local , the weapon I see is more motorcycle than bicycle , fat tires , really fast and huge ! I think the less expensive E-bike brands are the norm , and it's a mix of folks on them . I have no problems with them . More riders means better infrastructure !

@kiewong4870

Жыл бұрын

Cannock chase?

Never thought an EMTB ride into the hills would be my go to Zone 2 ride but it has been for a few years now.

Nice Review! How tall are you, what size bike, and how was the fit?

What I learned from this is that I really need to work on my technical skills. A lot.

Hey David, do you have any long-term impressions of this bike? How does it do on chunkier terrain and how reliable is it?

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

These canyons have really nice suspension, mine's the medium range bike and it works great just like it came out of the box. Sucks up rocks and etc great!

I would like if you would reveiw new fitness/hybrid or more comfortable bikes like the giant fastroad

I'd like to see you compare the experience to a more modestly priced ebike. Answer the question can you spend half that or less and still have the same amount of fun? I'm sure you can I think it would make an interesting video.

It does look fun, but I’m still put off by the cost. To be fair though, the cost of bikes and components is quite ridiculous compared to almost anything else. When will the price settle down? Electronic goods seem to start off expensive, then the price falls significantly to make them accessible to the masses with most of the tech and features of the, one-time, top of the range item. Obviously this kind of economic scenario does not seem to be happening in the bike world sadly.

I think e mtb could be a good comprise between a enduro motorcycle and a bike minus the damage to trails and less noise

I'm not as young and fit as I used to be either, so I judge a bike on whether or not I can carry it up or down the stairs to my flat without losing all the energy to go for a ride.

im fortunate enough to have a ridden an ebike for 25km yesterday (my friend sells them for a living) pedal down and i felt the surge of power from the motor, just amazing . we literally blasted up and down the hills with minimal effort . and i was fresh even after an epic day of riding. if you asked me if E-mtbs are cheating...i'd say for myself who is still healthy and able bodied, yes its cheating as far as cardio is concerned. skill wise its just the same , if not just a little more difficult. but however my friend he just got a knee surgery 3 months ago and the e-mtb is absolutely instrumental in helping him get fit and happy.

Cheating what? If your not racing it against muscle bikes, then your not cheating anything. Mountain biking is for fun. Well…emtb’s are fun. Great video! 👍

If it gets people riding why not although can be annoying when your on a hill on your road bike and that fat knacker up the road is impossible to catch. Seems to make more sense on the MTB side for climbing to trails. One think I would say I saw a young lad maybe 13-14 on one which I thought was really wrong!

Iam mid 50s bought a cheap e bike put better suspension on it and has hydraulic breaks and love it!

@Vixtorz

Жыл бұрын

Brakes.

im a climbing god!

Very nice

wow the limiter is 25 km/h? that is only 25 mph! in the US we get 20mph ro 32km/h

I don't think the cheating debate relates to whether one chooses to ride assisted or not, thats the riders free choice IMHO. Personally for me the cheating effect comes into play when Strava is brought into the debate - but like you said that's probably best saved for another episode 👍.

@toshman696969

Жыл бұрын

U still pay attention to Strava lol....deleted it years ago and couldn't be happier.

@harveyjones1

Жыл бұрын

@@toshman696969 ok 🤷‍♂

I think you ride what you want to ride it's not cheating by definition.

why cant they come out with a good E gravel bike with propper mounts every where, you know the guy\gal on the ebike will have to carry the beer. THE CANYON MULE

I ride roadbikes a lot, roadbikers are the most OCD group on bicycles for sure. They are strictly conservative as to how to ride a bike. Which is staring at the wheel ahead of you, pedaling really hard, and going further and harder all the time. That's what they do. Mention E Mt bike to some of them and they tend to lose it, its not within their boundary. A person must not be up to snuff if he needs a motor assist. Cheating. --------------- I ride for fun, and an E Mt bike is SO much fun, it reminds me of my many years racing dirtbikes. The Canyon CF8 ON I ride is more fun every time I ride it, there are tricks to riding e mt bikes for sure. But I still ride my amish/manual bikes way more than e bike.

Sounds good but to much money for me

🎉

My ebike lets me have fun for alot longer than I normally could ride and its all about having fun for me. Not proving anything to anyone.

8,000 I would mount it on a wall & have it insured as fixed art of such great value it would never be ridden.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

Normal bikes with out a motor can cost 8K. Nothing good is cheap.

@Stupidityindex

Жыл бұрын

@@bradsanders6954 Goodness is relative; there is such a verity, a bike for everyone.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

@@Stupidityindex No doubt, but the point I made was, people spend over 10K on a pedal bike with no motor....so one with a motor can also cost that much...nobody makes anybody buy these things.

Hi David. Great looking e-bike with a high price tag. Great video as usual. not a fan of e-bikes thou . 🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️

Yo, where is video about cleaning your bike in 10 min?

To those who think riding an e-bike is cheating, I ask: Does you car have an automatic transmission? Why aren’t you driving a car with a manual transmission? I have an e-bike but ride about 70% of the time without assist. I can get my heart rate up to the same level as my road bike. As someone has said previously, it’s only cheating if you misrepresent your ride on platforms like Strava.

Living in a place that has 0 elevation I get so jealous by everyone that can buy these even with some rollers I would love one of these. I am able and typically put in decent 3 hr rides on thee weekends but love to have one like this and jaut get lost in the wilderness riding some nearly stuff. Very jelly of everyone that has trails and can ride these.

Cheating is so badass. I love it.

even if its cheating, way too much fun to bother me

People sure do use a lot of words to rationalize mechanical doping. The issue is cycling w/ a motor or w/o a motor. Electric motocross bikes should stay on the track and leave trails to real rides on real bikes.

I had a dude beat my ass up a hill yesterday on a regular bike! Had to put it in boost and bust a lung just to catch him! So how is that cheating?

@samj1185

Ай бұрын

because you never would have even dreamt of catching a truly good rider w/o an ebike. using a motor to match the performance of a superior athlete=cheating. the fact that you're either not in shape or just not very good is irrelevant.

Would you put a motor into a fitness machine, but not call it cheating? I ride only for fun, yet pushing myself, going to my limit is a bit part of that fun. Of course you CAN drive an ebike in a way thats challenging. You CAN do math without the calculator in front of you, You COULD remember all the stuff organized by your phone. But will you? I know i wouldn't. The question is not if it's cheating, the question is what part of driving a bike you value more, easy fun or hard to get rewards? For the time being, i just bought a nice new real bike.

@umfilmmaker8253

Жыл бұрын

It’s sad that the world has to conform to your standards. Apparently no one can be elderly or disabled and still want to get some exercise on an ebike. Here’s a news flash, I was only able to return to regular cycling after two years of minimal assist on an ebike. I had given up cycling forever due to health issues which are no fault of mine. In your world it has to be 💯 effort, or I’m not trying. Well guess what, I’m back to regular cycling, plus lost almost 40 lbs thanks to an ebike. I see disabled veterans, including some with prosthetic limbs, riding ebikes here at high altitude too. I hope for your sake that you have perfect health and never age!

@rjphotos

Жыл бұрын

@umfilmmaker8253 I quite agree. I’m late forties, ridden road bikes all my life but suffering with knee complaints that meant several week breaks between rides, and that issue isn’t fixable realistically since it’s crumbling cartilage. Permanent retirement from the hobby was looking very likely. Now I have an e bike, the impact on my knees is significantly reduced. But riding heart rate can still go high. You can definitely get some serious exercise riding assisted. Cycling is so much more than just a health goal. Why do people who aren’t racing lust after ever more lighter, efficient or aerodynamic bikes - because it makes it easier? That’s definitely part of it.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

I solve that issue by riding a normal roadbike lots, a normal gravel bike, and even a 24 lb XC mt bike. But once a week I plan a gnarly steep e mt bike ride, too steep to pedal generally. Its a lotta work even with a motor. Its what you make of it. Its supposed to be fun! All bikes are for fun.

E-bikes are not cheating at all… until i’m overtaken by one on a steep hill climb.

@howlinhauler

Жыл бұрын

just get on that wheel, or is that the real cheat?

@andrewhayes7055

Жыл бұрын

...and they jump up the Strava leaderboard

Anyone using a bicycle or ebike is a cheater. We use technology to go further and faster than WALKING. Those horrible, evil cyclists use mechanical advantage with gears to climb hills and go faster on flats, and worst of all - they coast down hills. Absolutely shameful! ;p -- I'm gonna go ride my ebike now :)

@streddaz

Жыл бұрын

That's my exact argument when someone claims to be "pure" on there non-Ebike. If you were pure, you'd be walking, barefoot and all.

@samj1185

Ай бұрын

@@streddaz by that twisted logic we should simply writhe along on our bellies like slugs or snakes then. using your feet is cheating. The issue cycling w/ or w/o a motor. Use a motor is you need one but rationalizing the advantage away is only cheating yourself. just stay off the strava leaderboards please.

@streddaz

Ай бұрын

@@samj1185a bicycle, is a mechanical device that allows you to go further and faster than on foot. Simple as that. An Ebike, just increases that advantage. An Ebike is only cheating if you are claiming it is not an Ebike, just like if you were riding a bike and claiming you did the ride on a single speed. Plus Strava has its own Ebike segments. 😉

@samj1185

Ай бұрын

@@streddaz Rationalization knows no limits. An Ebike has a motor. Saying it simply 'increases the advantage' seems to deny that there is a motor doing a large portion of the work. By your logic, walking is cheating because we could be crawling. Crawling is cheating because we could be writhing along like snakes? "Cheating" doesn't only refer to your actions toward others. One can also cheat oneself but if you're good w/ that then go ahead and enjoy your scooter.

@streddaz

Ай бұрын

@@samj1185the thing is, that I am not saying it is cheating, YOU are. What I am saying is that and Ebike is just another mechanical device to allow you to go further and faster than walking. If you think you are "cheating yourself" then yes, walking is cheating when you could be crawling. I don't care what you think and I just ride my bike, simple.

They have their place, but need tighter regulations. If it can accelerate, and overtake normal bike riders, then they need to be considered a motor cycle.

@glennoc8585

Жыл бұрын

The unrestricted ebikes are not super fast accelerating and I know a few super fit guys that can accelerate very fast on non ebikes.

@michaelmorris3317

Жыл бұрын

€Volvo outdoors. Why do you say they need tighter regulations. When normal bike riders go past you way faster. Get your facts right before making stupid comments

My brother own e bike i tried it once, never gonna try again, not for me. I think its corny😅

@samj1185

Ай бұрын

because it's cheating regardless of whatever self serving rational one may attempt.

E Bikes should only be for people who have a physical problem or the elderly. All they do is make people terribly lazy! I'm from the Netherlands and here even children from the age of 13 ride an ebike to school and I'm talking about distances of less than 3 kilometers! And then people think it's strange that children and young people are getting fatter! The Ebike is something that will cause far too fat and lazy people.

@streddaz

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. If it gets people out and riding where they were not going to ride at all, it's got to be better. Also, you can choose to be lazy on a normal bike, you just choose to ride slowly on flat ground for a short distance using an easy gear. You can also choose to ride an Ebike as hard as you can for a whole lot further that you would have done on a normal bike and get just as much exercise. If you really wanted to get the most exercise for a certain distance, you would forgo the bike altogether and just run. It's not Ebikes making people lazy, it's people choosing to be lazy.

@NK__NK__NK

7 ай бұрын

@@streddaz The problem is that this ebike lazyness is getting standardized, like a must, as for the majority it is "cool and so much fun" to not to have to put in any effort, and on the long run they will put in less and less every time. I am a girl on a pedal powered bike, riding with guys with ebikes..I will never give up my fitness so that the ebike crowd waits less on the uphill for me while I get up their on my own. I wish a merry belly-growing for every ebiker!