Okay Sorby, but consider this: Beenades have lots of damage numbers, and therefore make my lizard brain very happy to use.

@EmiWi

27 күн бұрын

Okay ourple person, but consider this: other weapons have more damage numbers, and therefore make the lizard brain even happier to use them instead.

@kellamyoshikage286

27 күн бұрын

They don't have as much damage numbers as they used to now, though, and bee gun manages the same effect.

@purplehaze2358

27 күн бұрын

@@EmiWi IDK, when balancing effectiveness and the dopamine that comes with all the numbers popping up whenever a bee touches the wall or the hungry, there's not really any other weapons as effective as or more effective than beenades which also specifically provide the same quantity of hits.

@jeremypanjaitan4039

27 күн бұрын

purple haze is a golem worshipping lizhard confirmed

@zunlise2341

26 күн бұрын

try water bolt in a very enclosed arena next time

Currently the people at the wiki have started labelling the best weapons and armours in class setups. Also they removed the murmasa and medusa head from it completely.

@pwrwq

27 күн бұрын

W

@casti3r3h

27 күн бұрын

damn they work so fast, good job team

@-_.-__

27 күн бұрын

billions must edit

@victorjohnson5646

27 күн бұрын

I noticed, I felt good for the community

@uponeric36

27 күн бұрын

@@-_.-__ Wiki editors be staring at themselves slightly longer in the mirror in the morning since Sorbet Cafe videos dropped

When I did my "Double Boss" JMMFTW challenge, I prevented myself from using Beenades because I thought they would be too powerful. When I was struggling and allowed myself to use them, it turned out that they aren't actually that good & they did not deal sufficient DPS for me to win. That's when I realized there are better options.

@Meowlegend7

27 күн бұрын

I agree, Zenith is better to use! It carried me for the Wall of Flesh better than Beenades.

@UlyssesK402

27 күн бұрын

@@Meowlegend7 And you just need a Bast Statue, some wires, and a door.

@Meowlegend7

27 күн бұрын

​@@UlyssesK402I know, right? Easier than trying to farm queen bee.

@emerealm3779

27 күн бұрын

What's up

@frosbeechill

27 күн бұрын

Underrated option is absolutely Aqua Scepter.

That last point is the most important imo. You generally don't want to kill the Wall as soon as you can, if you just want to kill the Wall you can do it pre-Skeletron with beenades and a cheesy arena with lots of LoS blocking. But then you're getting thrown into early Hardmode with trash gear. You don't want to kill the Wall until you've got gear capable of dealing with early Hardmode.

@Xeconis

27 күн бұрын

You can't beat the game without killing Skeletron anyways, so there's no point in skipping Skeletron to fight the Wall. The Cultists will not spawn post-golem if the old man is still at the dungeon.

@Chewythebigblackdog

27 күн бұрын

I don't think this is too big of a deal tbh, spider gear is relatively easy to get, even with bad gear, and there's also the option of my personal favourite (and imo super underrated) early hardmode weapon, which even shares the same unlock condition as beenades - the blowgun. Grab yourself some crystal shards as soon as hardmode starts (probably only need about 5-7), craft a couple hundred crystal darts, and now you have a wall bouncing, almost homing weapon with solid damage output.

@Starwort

26 күн бұрын

@@Chewythebigblackdog but we're talking about people who are already looking up a walkthrough/guide. Those people will need good (or at least *decent*) gear for hardmode

@videogamer-lp4wu

22 күн бұрын

@@Chewythebigblackdog On entering hardmode I always rush for spider gear and cheese the spiders with explosive sentries

okay but consider: change terrifies me

@arjunbaweja7755

27 күн бұрын

Lol

@based980

27 күн бұрын

agreed

@alikoster

19 күн бұрын

It’s ok, but one should move on

@arbikiuszelemelek3347

14 күн бұрын

So true

The whole "beenades are good against the wall of flesh" thing is a great example of an aggressively self-perpetuating meme

@kevin-7091

27 күн бұрын

Similar to how some people still think that the summoner class is underpowered, that melee's defenses are meaningless, or that the brain of confusion is simply worse than worm scarf

@Subt0nix

27 күн бұрын

@@kevin-7091 in fairness beenades are good against the wall of flesh just annoying to farm, boc is technically mathematically worse than worm scarf excluding cases where you are a glass canon and a direct damage reduction wont save you where as rolling the dice can sometimes save you, and unless you go hard into defense a subpar tank build just wont cut it in harder difficulties. I would also say summoner despite being my favorite class is the weakest class in the game. a bit of truth to all the statements

@kevin-7091

27 күн бұрын

​@@Subt0nixBoC is a lot more than just RNG reliant worm scarf, dodging an attack means you also dodge the knockback and debuff. It also gives a temporary buff to crits, and confuse nearby non-boss enemies. Lastly, the dodge chance stack with other dodge options, while damage reduction has diminishing return. Summoner currently has significantly higher damage potential than any other class in the game, with correct utilization of whip stacking and defense penetration. Which class is the weakest or strongest is a lot more complex than just a simple ranking, as every class has their own power spike and hiccups across multiple stage of the game. They are not just four linear lines stacking on top of each other

@ksgfusoahays-inanutshell9517

27 күн бұрын

​@@Subt0nixWelp, seems like the self-perpetuating mindset of BoC is just scarf with RNG, and summoner is simply the weakest class does indeed still exist.

@strangejune

27 күн бұрын

​@@kevin-7091Summoner has very high damage potential along with the weakest defense to actually get in whip range to USE it. If you're just letting minions attack idle while you're dodging and shooting some random magic weapon, the damage isn't high.

sticky dynamite ftw

@Meowlegend7

27 күн бұрын

Eww, FTW (edit: I thought it was "For the Worthy" seed).

@MayrenSiyu

27 күн бұрын

bouncy dynamite ftw

@juxoq

27 күн бұрын

life crystal boulder ftw

@fulookin6701

27 күн бұрын

@@Meowlegend7for the win not for the worthy

@Meowlegend7

27 күн бұрын

@@fulookin6701 ohh.

I have no doubts that the idea of Beenades being the best option for WoF is a leftover mindset from 1.2, before the Beenade nerf, before Expert Mode, before the Hive Pack was introduced, and before the WoF buff. That being said, Beenades are definitely one of the most easily obtained effective options from that time period and still are a fine option even today, so I can see why the mindset stuck around.

@juliangm1387

27 күн бұрын

hehe sigma

@asherbeck4001

27 күн бұрын

@@juliangm1387 shut it

@simplyeyeronic1443

26 күн бұрын

Hehahaheh t

@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her

26 күн бұрын

I don't think "stigma" (a mark of disgrace) is the word you're looking for. 😅 But otherwise I agree that it's pervasive misconception of it remaining seen as the best, yet it's still very good.

@xeilot5358

19 күн бұрын

@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her I think the word he is looking for is dogma

so this brings up a few things i personally as a time waster on terraria with around 13,000 hours, have noticed, Especially in the past 2 or so years that i've been doing a lot of Challenge runs. A lot of those runs are Weapon Restricted runs, where i can only use a set of weapons that are apart of the same Crafting tree for an end game weapon or have a shared mechanic such as inflicting the same debuff, or being obtainable in the same way. So i have had my fair share or thoughts on the way to actually classify weapons, and on Guides in general. So i'm currently primarly a Modded player, but i'll try to talk in more general terms since my thoughs do extend to Vanilla as well though might not specifically be fleashed out for Vanilla as much as for Modded. So to start with i would classify weapons in to 3 categories, being as followes: - Good Weapons (weapons that are Meta or can be used to kill the thing you are trying to kill in a easy fashion while still not being the peak of preformance, but close enough to where a normal player won't notice a differance) - Good Enough Weapons (weapons that can be used to kill the target relatively easily, but are still noticablt worse then the optimal gear in the abovce categori) - Others (pretty much everything else that is just so off tier that it's generally not worth even looking at) With these 3 Categories in mind i try to always recommend the weapons i prefer to use and know to be Good Weapons for the fight, with a sprinkling of a few Good Enough Weapons if they are fun to use, or are a worth while option from an obtaining standpoint, so that i don't make anyone that looks at my guide as away to learn and make progress on there own, i try to give multiple options while providing a setup that Will get you through the task you are doing. My thoughts on the wiki are similar to your's, in that both in the vanilla class setups and on for example Calamity wiki Class setups, the amount of things "recommended" is so large that it's practically usless for some one wanting to learn from the ground up, and might not have extencive knowledge on the items presented. Most people who actually look at the wiki are people that are just starting out and probably don't know about the fact that the fastest and simplest way to get a guide is through YT, or the type of person that have played the game a bit and did use a YT guide or something similar, and are looking for something else to try, but the Class setups page doesn't serve ether of these types of people, since the wiki is just a listing of possiblr options that might or might nor work for your situation. Such as when choosing a weapon to use in early HM not all of the weapons preform as well for each mech for example, as Destroyer needsd AoE or heavy Piercing, where Twins can be done with most of the options, but having strong direct damage is prefered. Lastly Skeletron Prime benefits from ether havinf 2 weapons a piercing for the arms and a direct damage weapon for the skill after, or a mixed weapon with 1 or 2 piercing but not needing massive amounts of it. So just showing a player all the options when not all of them will be as good for some of the bosses as others, makes the players attempts at looking for help through the wiki possibly leave a bad impession and leave them struggleing on there own. Still as you said the wiki team is working on improving the wiki as we Type, so hopefully in time the wiki can be a place for good and easy help for ne players just starting or wanting to expand there play style.

It's good to find a guy who also has a passion for this game. I like your content, keep going :D

Ngl, beenades are really nostalgic for me and bees will always have a special place in my heart in any game because of Terraria

I don't think the beenades have been "the best" for a long time, but they are extremely good at getting new players past the wall better than just about any other weapon in pre-hardmode. They kill the hungry, leeches, and the wall for you so you just have to dodge some lasers and keep running Quick addendum: If you're using melee like a yoyo or night's edge on higher difficulties you should be throwing down beenades when the hungry respawn anyways tbh, thrown weapons aren't a class anymore for a reason: They're meant to supplement your other strategies.

@brandonbernard1570

27 күн бұрын

I'm glad someone mentioned this. Beenades still feel really good for crowd control utility, just not as a primary weapon.

@JJSquirtle

27 күн бұрын

@@brandonbernard1570 I'm glad someone else agrees. I feel like Terraria challenge videos have poisoned many people's minds into thinking you should just use one weapon for bosses when in reality, certain utility items are irreplaceable. Hell, beenades are even great against the destroyer as they can take hits from the probes which is just, so so nice if you're squishy

I always love these video-essay style videos, i think theyre really nice and chill

Terraria wiki has always been filled with strange nonsense. Extremely useful as a source of raw information, but take any opinions on there with at least 3 grains of salt. Its like the wiki editors have only played classic lol

@julienbronsch5039

27 күн бұрын

Im taking my Informationen for granted but just because Im only looking up certain crafting recipies or which enemies drop specific items/weapons.

These vids make me feel like I play terraria wrong no matter what

@abcrasshadow9341

27 күн бұрын

Just do warding and don't do bee nades, seems simple to me :)

@mahmoudalhahmad1504

27 күн бұрын

use the beenades as a suport weapon

@SomeRand0mNerd

27 күн бұрын

the way some mfs are super condescending when they correct you (sorbet cafe is an exception) i don't blame you for thinking that

@atch4764

17 күн бұрын

just play the game and you're golden. aint no "wrong" way about it

Damn bro you are seriously scientific in your approach, I love it. You kick ass. If you applied your method beyond terraria I'm pretty damn sure you would pop off in a big way.

Heya, I'm a huge fan of the three Magic Missile type weapons. Could you compare them to other more popular weapons? I've always found them to be absurdly good, even taking Rainbow Rod up against Plantera and Golem in one playthrough simply because I love the consistency and AoE damage so much. They make short work of Old One's Army and events too, naturally. It's basically like having Snowman Cannon on you post-Skeletron.

@Th3Curs3dChild

27 күн бұрын

Well, he currently has made videos about people having misconceptions about the game. I'm pretty sure the 3 mentioned weapons are well understood by the community.

@modestmismagius105

27 күн бұрын

rainbow rod my beloved

@muratunlu229

27 күн бұрын

They are also hella OP in pvp.

@samiel8711

27 күн бұрын

The incredibly powerful homing on these weapons is a blessing when you have shit aim like me.

@Rhino1004

27 күн бұрын

@@Th3Curs3dChild Certainly true on both counts! But it still drives me crazy that the old wisdom of the community is still hung up on ancient tactics like beenades, Mini/Megashark, and Daedalus Stormbow. And I for one hadn't experienced anywhere near as much enthusiasm for the Magic Missile trio after their amazing glow up. So I can't help but try and change that. Possibly with some cold hard facts, like with this channel's thorough science.

buzz buzz am i right fellas

@cirrus6043

27 күн бұрын

Don’t call me honey, honey!

@octaviopaes1970

27 күн бұрын

Beezed and honeypilled

@Palemis

27 күн бұрын

🍞🐝

@CrabTuxedo

27 күн бұрын

EARTHBOUND!?!?!?

@AMIR-xo1cq

27 күн бұрын

i did not expect a mother 2 fan in a place like this​@@CrabTuxedo

This is just a good ass video. Well narrated, well explained, as far as i can tell about as factually correct as you can get. Love it

In legendary mode I haven't bothered with beenades since I cba didn't want to farm the queen for too much.. I did farm her to make the healing tooth necklace though :) Night's edge worked after a few tries! My only issue was not running fast enough at times :D Magniluminescence is a game changer for running fast..

@chriszg2332

27 күн бұрын

I used beenades to finish the wall off because of the speed problem. I got it low with the Phoenix blaster then ran far away and chucked beenades. It was probably my 15th attempt and it worked very well!

@8JB40834

27 күн бұрын

@@chriszg2332 Congrats :) I'm happy to hear there are multiple strategies.. at Legendary not a lot of things work like they did in Master or Expert.

@bobosaurus331

27 күн бұрын

I used beenades for the imps and hellwing bow otherwise. I used the golf cart for mobility against both queen bee and wof. Nights edge worked well against queen bee and with a proper arena farming her wasn’t a problem

Thx for doing this video (and for including me in the beginning :D). I dont think you did this just because I requested it in my comment cause there were a lot of people who didnt agree with the beenades comment but its still nice to see a comparison between the weapons.

Imo beenades are a good sidearm for when the wall of flesh is not hittable/ in a wall, but not the best as a main weapon. (for example at 4:45 you can throw beenades in front of the obsidian houses, while you can't shoot the wof directly) Though there are weapons like the waterbolt that accomplish this but better

NOT THE BEES!

Looking forward to "In depth opinions on every single weapon in terraria"

@julienbronsch5039

27 күн бұрын

Medusa Head is just gonna be a single clip of him saying trash

I like the last sentence. Effectiveness in hardmode. Yeah they're ok against wof but what happens next?

@olixx1213

26 күн бұрын

I mean WoF gives a weapon

@ShioSatou

26 күн бұрын

@@olixx1213 usually a very bad one though lmao

@olixx1213

26 күн бұрын

@@ShioSatou all of them are better then prehm weapons

@ShioSatou

26 күн бұрын

@@olixx1213 the Breaker Blade definitely is not lmao

@olixx1213

26 күн бұрын

@@ShioSatou it's actually really good against most common HM enemies It's definitly good enough to protect yourself until you get other stuff

On my latest run I discovered the digging molecart... Hands down my favorite way to deal with WoF cause the setup is SO effortless it can be done largely 1handed, yet you don't accidentally get stuck on stuff when you manage your jumps poorly. Zero campfires or whatever, just that rail, some basic potions and a Demon Scythe with a very lucky magic hat/mystic robe/ancient cobalt leggings combo (He even brought the Gray Zapinator and then also an orange one very early on in HM), accessories didn't matter that much, easiest WoF of my life. Drawback is the iron cost, but I'm doing a slow playthrough on a large world anyway, trying to get some missing achievements etc. Didn't end up needing that much track, and you can always have some lava walking at the end. I had also already used tons of iron for iron bricks for my base, so I can see this working out just fine on more minimal runs. (Remember, 1 iron bar = 50 tracks) I recommend mining above your cart in tight sections so you can jump a bit there, also so you don't have to be as precise with the Demon Scythe angle colliding. I stupidly slowed down right at the end instead of just using my mini-map, so he actually managed to hit me for a more substantial amount... once. I think I did get some favorable luck, but if I dodged THIS much, it seems it should be consistent enough. Looking forward to more dodge testing when I farm him a bit! The perfectly straight track worked well with Demon Scythe. I'm normally not a fan of doing bosses with minecarts btw., but for WoF, I feel it didn't really change the fight in a way I felt I was missing out on some action, mostly just a tedium reducer even compared to smoothing it out for lava walking.

my opinion is that if you have tried other weapons such as the ones you tested and you die before you can beat WoF, using beenades may help you beat the WoF because you can focus on dodging.

@jimk.9959

27 күн бұрын

i never really understood the focus on dodging argument, like just point your cursor at the wall???? it's not like it's trying to dodge

@BlanekdCheque

27 күн бұрын

I agree to an extent, but I think they should be more supplemental in that case rather than your primary weapon. Beenades are kind of annoying to farm, and you need to do it over and over if you die, but using them when the fight gets tough so you can DPS and dodge seems perfectly serviceable.

@chriszg2332

27 күн бұрын

I did a legendary playthrough and even with all the imp banners I still died with the wall under 1000 hp every time. A large reason was because it got way too fast. I couldn't do enough dmg before it caught up. When I finally beat it, I did it by using the Phoenix Blaster till it was pretty low, then ran far away and started chucking beenades backwards. It worked very well. Also the more distance you have the less accurate the eye lasers will be by the time they get to you. Would recommend if you have trouble outpacing the wall.

@modestmismagius105

27 күн бұрын

@@jimk.9959focus on /your/ dodging, you can't really just facetank all those lasers on higher difficulties

@kevin-7091

27 күн бұрын

Literally every test in the video, except for trying to use hellwing's pierce and using Night's edge, are just running away while clicking in a general direction of the WoF

I would agree if it werent for the legendary difficulty. In this difficulty you have to damage the wall of flesh while piercing through the hungries, dealing with leeches, and making sure the imps dont screw you with their super buffed fireballs of death. I could not find a weapon that deals with all of those targets at once other than beenades. Since the imps respawn so quickly i dont feel comfortable stopping to shoot the imps as that makes the fight go on for way too long. But the beenades have really good area denial being able to hit every target at once do to the swarm of piercing homing bees covering the screen. Other than that ive never used beenades in my life so id like to know your strategies for this fight so i can avoid farming queen bees forever.

@kane_lives

9 күн бұрын

The WoF is just 99% arena preparation. Clear enough buildings to always have a clear shot to the WoF and make a railroad track around 2/3 of a Medium world's length and either Hellwing bow or Demon Scythe will take care of the wall once you get the targeting right. Neither Imps nor the Wall should ever hit you if you're sufficiently above ground.

It is for this reason (and being obtainable pre-boss) that I love Demon Scythe.

For me, i use the class setups page (mainly for modded situations) to see every item available for me in that class, in that time in progression. Allows me to experiment and find what i like the best

I always used beenades to help clear out the hungry, although tbf that was before the night's edge's buff in 1.4.4 so

I'm thinking if constantly swapping beenades with a different weapon would be a better strategy because when only beenades are used there is a lot of bees just sitting on the wall unable to do damage due to i-frames

@imperix88

26 күн бұрын

That’s exactly what I was thinking the entire time. Something like the bee’s knees, so you can profit off of that hive pack and necro armor range bonus.

@Nyancat77263

24 күн бұрын

@@imperix88 Prob just use phoenix blaster, bees knees isn't too good

@imperix88

24 күн бұрын

@@Nyancat77263 I just thought that using bees knees wouldn’t be that bad an idea because you already have the hive pack equipped, why not more bees?

@kane_lives

9 күн бұрын

@@imperix88 I doubt the bees from both will stack, meaning you will likely reach Bee saturation and not do any extra damage due to i-frame cap.

Honestly, the best use for Beenades dor the wall is the later parts when the wall is moving faster and faster, as you can dodge more effectively if you don't have to worry about hitting stuff

You can craft more beenades with beeswax from queen bee. I just finished a master mode playthrough and I killed Queen bee 3 times and all the mats and nades were MORE than enough to fight WoF twice with only beenades.

In my opinion the beenades are still a great option as a supplement of sorts, like, if you play in coop with friends on expert, the loot bags disable the need to grind the queen bee that much if all of your party just dump all of your beenades onto one person, in my playthroughs it was usually a summoner or a melee person, letting them use the nades while other people use their own weapons

That last line especially is my biggest turnoff from the beenades

I always used to play throwing for pre-hardmode, then switch to another class once in hardmode. Haven't actually used beenades since throwing got gutted :(

Hey, you should make a guides playlist bro

The Hellwing Bow can also still use other arrows too by the way, the bow doesn't override any other arrow beyond wooden arrows, the rest get fired as usual. That said, how much more or less effective is the hellwing bow when used with a stronger arrow, such as Hellfire, Unholy, or Jester arrows?

Doing a notthebees playthrough only using bee items. This video will hopefully be a lifesaver once I reach WOF

Hey, bro. I wanted to ask you about paladium armor. Is it really that good and how much does it beat its counterparts and armor higher up in progression (orichalc titanium and their counterparts)

Beenades were really useful for me against legendary mode wof because they homed in on the fire imps and allowed me to run away and aim for the eyes/mouth with my hellwing bow

I still use beenades if I have them on ranger runs to this day for wall, but I can’t really see myself using them for the whole fight. However I will say that in my experience they tend to deal with the hungry fairly well, though I’m sure there’s better options for that too - hellwing bow especially, given its piercing and ease of obtaining ammo.

babe, wake up, new sorbet cafe video just dropped

bro what is that wall of flesh arena that shit too nice

I still like to use whatever beenades I happened to get from fight queen bee once or twice, but yeah other weapons are must better as the primary weapon.

I wonder if the time could be decreased by slightly using beenades while maining something like nights edge, probably still using both necklaces but not the hive pack, that way there isn't really as much sacrifice and you'd probably only need one queen bee kill

I enjoy using summoner for WOF, obsidian armour, snapthorn and spinal tap whip mixing, with frogs for your summon, it is really easy :))

At least my first few times around, I just defeated WoF with regular Grenades. Underrated weapon honestly. There're obviously way better options for WoF in particular. But at least for me, they kinda trivialize most of prehardmode, and are serviceable against WoF. While also being super easy to get. Very good for exploration as well, especially in underground desert.

I've started building a queen bee farm in all of my world's using the statue trick you showed. You can kill a queen bee like every three seconds and the spawns are very easy to make. 10 minutes of farming and selling the drops gets you easily 10 plat. So I have a lot of beenades laying around. But I do agree with the point of the video.

i usually used beenades with the beegun because this meant more bees, but throwable class is gone anyways

In my experience, it is still viable! I had just recently beaten the wall of flesh for the first time on master mode using nothing but beenades and the bee gun as well! My only method of buffing potion being the iron skin potion and the medium fed buff from a pumpkin pie. In the last effort, though, as I was running out of beenades, I did use the hive pack which helped significantly! 3:50 This wasn't a problem for me as I had used ice platforms and stone blocks at least a block distance underneath them so that I could keep walking! For some reason [note I am using the mobile edition of terraria I don't own a computer] My Play style is a bit crooked so sometimes when I'm trying to send Some reinforcing damage; I accidentally slide my thumb downward, which causes me to fall through the platforms. So I have a slightly gapped Stone bridge underneath it so that I don't fall right into lava. [The reason i say slightly gapped is because i punched a few holes in so that lava can seep through if any lava slime decided to ruin my day] So even if bees went through garden planters, it wouldn't matter because I wasn't using garden planters anyhow... Also, farming Queen bee was no problem for me Because the wall of flesh was the only boss I needed to beat anyhow. I already had molten armor and I took a lot of advice from the Defense video, so it was very difficult for me to die to Queen bee at all. I had started with like what, 37 summons? It was very quick to defeat and I done it a lot of times it's a very good strategy or pre-hardmode for getting a lot of platinum coins... By the end of it all, I had 792 beenades and had enough bee wax necessary to create 800 more. And about thirty platinum coins, So buying the grenades was not an issue.

I used beenades on the Wall as like a secondary thing, id throw a few when the terrain wasn't ideal for the Phoenix Blaster or whatever weapons I had (aka no line of sight but terrain worked fine for the bees). My dps would stay pretty consistent so the pressure that the fight exerts upon me, especially when im not attacking, decreased a lot. I never used Only Beenades since I found grinding Queen Bee to be hella annoying and time consuming, and I hate consumeables in general.

I 100% agree with you, I have a "themed" character save that "roleplay" as a bee king called "Beemigen" and I played that character a lot in a "not the bees" a lot So I have basically infinite beenade and sometime I try play normally using that caharacter, and it's pretty bad lol The only reason I use beenade is because I have basicaly infinite supply of it Edit: not saying it isn't fun, it is ACTUALLY quite fun, that's why I use it a lot, but still isn't good tho

there was only ever one use for the medusa head before it was nerfed and when it could drop at anytime it did great damage, but it really shined against the ads from queen bee toooooooo bad it sucks now. :

hey, great video, i wanted to add that beenades should be seen more like a support weapon, i think using them alongside many of the other powerfull weapons that u mentioned could really shorten the time by keeping bees on the available part of the wall and not spaming

I'd say their still good as a combo item, I got about 30 since I killed her twice and am planning to just use them in harder spots of hell where I need to run or as a spam tool. Like a grenade in shooters something you pair with a primary

hellwing was my favorite wall killer.

I just periodically throw them to deal with hungries while I use nights edge or Phoenix blaster to kill him

I was casually watching the video when that clip of you killing me and some other people came up unexpectedly

They are craftable too. This heavily reduces the amount of QBs required. Either that, or I am dumb which is likely.

Make a guide on summoning

I was literally just wondering yesterday if Beenades were still good against the WoF lmao perfect timing

I like them cause i place blocks above lava. I have mobility and good dmg from bees. Plus journey mode or multiplayer makes farming easy.

3:42 i always make stone block arena because in hardmode it can infect and help farm souls and mimic, also crystal shards grow as well

@Meowlegend7

27 күн бұрын

Thats actually genius.

@Tempestissiman

27 күн бұрын

It's a nice bonus, but if you don't need the arena then just use water walking + obsidian skin and then build the farm yourself later on

@TheLusion

27 күн бұрын

@@Tempestissiman wof is difficult without arena, the long and straight bridge helps unlike being crashed into the houses

@Tempestissiman

27 күн бұрын

@@TheLusion On the outer regions houses don't spawn so I just fight the wall there. If things go well it dies before reaching the houses region. Of course making an arena will help a ton if you're struggling with the boss (I always make one on legendary)

@TheLusion

27 күн бұрын

@@Tempestissiman idk i don't speedrun and it's not problem for me, also why later if i can do it before hardmode and realtively fast, especially plantera arena, at least it's better than being one-shooted by a tortoise

On my legendary mode play through (with a friend who is bad at the game) I decided to do ranger with no bullets or arrows. It was fun but grinding beenades and stars is so abhorrent especially with the extra health in multiplayer

I think beenades are pretty good if you use them with other weapons I used one QB worth of beenades with a Phoenix blaster after throwing them and killed the wall in about 15 seconds on classic. I'm sure they're not as good on higher difficulties but they work well in conjunction with other weapons

They're still good, I just prefer to use the Hellwing Bow or whatever challenge run weapon I'm using

Penguin games footage, been so long since i seen it lol

They're good because you don't need to aim while still doing good damage, and they can be obtained before most bosses if needed It's pretty much a Pre-hardmode Daedalus Stormbow, which can be used from Skeletron to Queen Slime Similar to how the Daedalus Stormbow is used for the mechanical bosses and Plantera, despite not being the optimal weapon Both are good enough, and extremely easy to use, so losing against the boss is harder as you can focus more on dodging

Okay but what about using the phoenix blaster + throwing a beenade every few seconds? Seems like an easy way to increase DPS. Should work for some other weapons too.

Short version: Yes, only if you have the hive pack. They're still good on the Hungries, but not the wall itself. Once you run out of nades, switch to something else. Star Cannon is a solid choice.

@matthewmcmenamin8365

27 күн бұрын

The star cannon pierces, why would you need beenades to kill the hungries? That makes no sense at all... similar instances also apply to weapons such as the hellwing bow. And the short version is objectively no. Even if you have the hive pack, other weapons are still better in realistic situations.

@uponeric36

27 күн бұрын

@@matthewmcmenamin8365 Yeah that's my thing too: You can setup beenades so that they're good, but you can also set up a star cannon with additional accessories or other good gear. Since the prep is about the same, there's not much reason to go for beenades unless you already have the stuff for it and it tickles you to kill the wall with bees.

@ThatGuyNamedJoe

27 күн бұрын

if you already have a star cannon theres no reason to use beenades, just use that. unless youre just trying to get rid of them.

Say what you will, but these things carried me through the wof and pre mechs section of my specialist ranger only playthrough

The night's edge is crazy good and I literally never would have expected it because when I think of all of flesh I think "Do not use melee on this boss, ever". The mindset certain players have towards WoF is wrong and that might be part of the reason for bee nades being considered one of, if not the best weapon against him.

@julienbronsch5039

26 күн бұрын

You can just tank the WoF (except for the mouth) if you have the golf cart, even in mastermode, maybe even in legendary. Its very free, even if you dont deal as much damage with warding accessories.

good nerdy analyst video that i like

I like bee Andes because I typically end up killing a bunch of queen bees for money anyway the the nades are just a bonus

couldnt you also craft bee nades out of the Material queen bee dropps so you dont have to grind as much?

I usually suggest the Phoenix Blaster because it's consistent and easy to use, plus it's incredibly cheap to make and fuel it with ammo. Sure the Star Cannon has the highest potential, but fueling stars to it is something that the average player probably isn't going to want to do, and thus I don't consider it the "best" option because the ammo is inefficient unless you build a star farm. There's an argument that "efficiency" shouldn't be considered when trying to figure out what's better but I think it's a fickle argument that makes no sense because if you have to build some large farms and wait multiple hours to get somewhere when you can just do none of that instead and take maybe 20 minutes, is it really worth the effort?

The class setups guide is uninformative but I find it useful to get a picture of what's available at the stage I'm at. Mainly this because a weapon like the Shadowflame Voodoo Doll is not typically good for progression against bosses, but it's much better at defeating the multiple early hardmode invasions or hardmode blood moon.

me who used nights edge on an eye and its mouth to beat WoF for the first time in classic :

Imagine not using ice throwing fish against WoF

6:27 penguin games jumpscare lmao

Oh I didn’t know to played penguin games :).

You really do need another one of those weapons for hardmode anyway

are they good y e a h rather use phoenix blaster/star cannon tho wouldn't even consider as a mage, warrior or summoner

Regarding Star Cannon and Night's Edge, Star Cannon not only is hell to grind the ammo for, I think it's also kinda OP on purpose. Like the weapon you use as a last resort when you are truly, truly stuck. New Night's Edge, on the other hand, is just OP lmao. It's very fun, but god do I feel like a cheater for using it.

@kane_lives

9 күн бұрын

Star Cannon is unfortunately useless vs non-optional bosses on FTW & GetFixedBoi. The ammo is trivial to farm with a Skybridge and a railtrack if you're not playing Don't dig up or GetFixedBoi

@dusaprukiyathan1613

9 күн бұрын

@@kane_lives for don't dig up you can just make an enemy farm, ye? because slimes have them.

Beenades are good at early dmg wof, when it gets faster than bees they just hang at the back chasing it. There change to something else.

i'd rather just use a different major option for each class hellwing/phoenix blaster for ranger water bolt or demon scythe for mage night's edge for melee spinal tap with vampire frog staff for summoner

They still helped me obliterate wall for me on summoner masters. The beenades still destroy it from far range and I finished it with spine

@julienbronsch5039

18 күн бұрын

Why did you use spine? Pretty sure using the Snapthorn with vampire frogs is better (of course doing whip stacking is even better but its more technical)

@9tales9f

18 күн бұрын

@@julienbronsch5039 Vine helps deal with the hungry much better, and also random bone serpents can really fuck you up if you dont have it. Imps have better range than frog and also have infinite pierce. Frogs just get easily distracted by hungries, don't kill them fast enough and you just lose the dps war

Good video, but I should note that saying beenades are hard to farm, then comparing their kill time to the bloody star cannon seems a bit hypocritical

@sorbetcafe

27 күн бұрын

I compared them to 6 different weapons

@evanmann3447

27 күн бұрын

@@sorbetcafe yes, but you single out the starcannon as "the best WoF ranged weapon" which in my experience just isnt true, because you are never using starcannon unless it's a meme playthrough and you're building a sky platform to farm stars or smth

@sorbetcafe

27 күн бұрын

@@evanmann3447 There's not really any question about it or a spot to put in opinions. It is the most effective ranged weapon. It kills the wall much faster than the other options. Whether it's easy to get the materials to use is a separate question. This video isn't about whether the star cannon is reasonable to use, nor did I ever recommend getting the star cannon. There are people who believe beenades compete with the star cannon. It does not come anywhere near it.

@bunningssnags6104

26 күн бұрын

@@evanmann3447 I've used the star cannon on about half of my ranger playthroughs. Its solid and the stars arent that hard to farm

@evanmann3447

26 күн бұрын

@@bunningssnags6104 how do you far them exactly? I typically only get like, 100ish stars just doing a natural playthrough after i've spent some on mana crystals

how good is the bee gun?

i will use them anyways because i like bees and explosives

beenades are great for my friends who just run from WoF so they're doing damage with minimal effort

Beenade are craftable with beeswax and greanade so you wont need to farm queen bee that much only 1-3 times

I think beenades are good enough as a secondary weapon you use to deal some extra damage to the WOF while you use your main weapon

Ok they may not be as good but man do they feel powerful when you're playing summoner using the hornet staff and then you switch to ranger with the beenades

Yes KING, Preach

beenades are def worse now than I remember, but I still like to use them out of laziness since I don't need to take care of where I'm aiming. It just takes so. damn. long.

I always use beenades, just with other things as well.

I hope they buff Medusa Head one day, lowkey such a cool weapon but it got destroyed by nerfs