Sorry about the lack of beard, I had a bit of an accident!

@oki9395

Жыл бұрын

You seems much younger 👍🏻

@moonpearl4736

Жыл бұрын

Hope you are well!

@oki9395

Жыл бұрын

In fact, I didn't realize that you're this young 😁 please don't feel so bad about your lack of beard. It suits you

@whynottalklikeapirat

Жыл бұрын

Gandalf had such days too - and even Treebeard

@greenthumb8266

Жыл бұрын

Nice fresh face, I really enjoy your work, thank you so much for sharing it with the world! Have a perfectly wonderful day!

It is important to notice that Campbell also presents another interpretation for the mono myth. Not that it was an unique ancient myth copied to this day, but that it is a metaphor for going from childhood to adulthood, and since this is a universal step to mankind many cultures independently came up with plots to represent the most common parts of this transition. This was made through all history because since most of us go through this it is a plot that we all can easily link to our own lifes in a subjective level, hence why it is a successful story. Great video as always!

@seansmith3058

Жыл бұрын

Myth as metaphor is a big part of Campbell. He repeatedly makes the point that the human body and its competing desires are at the core of many religious ideas, and that (mis)interpreting those conflicts in a literal way is the cause of many of our problems.

@zipperpillow

11 ай бұрын

Excellent point. What could be more Universal?

I did a dissertation on Campbell and his influence on John Barth, in preparation for which I read large amounts of Jung, and took a course in methods from Walter Ong (who was a bit of a dork), so I immediately clicked this. It’s important to note that the hero’s journey also has its tragic side. The hero’s flaws can lead to the kingdom’s dissolution, and/or its division among unworthy children, after which the cycle begins again. As witness The Iliad, the Orestia, the Theban plays of Sophocles, “King Lear,” “The Godfather,””Absalom, Absalom,” etc. Many of Campbell’s New Age-y followers are loath to recognize this, because nobody likes recognizing that life is inevitably tragic. It would be nice if we could all be crowned king of Gondor like Aragorn, but hey, most of us end up as food for the wolves. Further, Campbell never said that all myths have to follow the cycle to the letter, and there are lots of variations. His book is a VERY general description, not a prescription. That’s why it’s not science, but criticism, much like Northrop Frye’s, or Walter Ong’s.

@redskyz483

Жыл бұрын

Wow that's a great comment. You are so clever and so well educated. You are truly amazing .

@szymonbaranowski8184

Жыл бұрын

this hero journey is very aligned with euasian steppe people traditions it didn't perspire to all cultures on earth I'm curious about the life cycle creeds of other folks like somebody born in clan without any journey, cultivating his place continuing multigenerational cycle or Polynesians journeying through ocean some say it's sourced from hunter gatherer mentality and family structure without equal inheritance or lack of anything to inherit what forces second sons to fortune journey aquiring qualifications to start a new family some ideas have so deep and vague metameaning that can be seen everywhere like Jesus or Mary on wall stain

@danielschaeffer1294

Жыл бұрын

@@szymonbaranowski8184 Very good comments indeed, especially the last one. Come to think of it, it occurred to me the other day that Egypt had a civilization that lasted 4000 years entirely on its own, and as far as I know never produced any epics or literature. Perhaps that was because there was no need for them. And maybe that’s because the pharaoh was a god, and that was all there was to the matter.

@danielschaeffer1294

Жыл бұрын

@@redskyz483 I hope you weren’t being sarcastic. If not, you might want to track down Frye’s “Anatomy of Literature” and Ong’s “Orality and Literacy.” The latter is mind blowing. The claim is that how a story is perceived depends on how a story is transferred. Hence literacy creates an entirely different sort of mental set than merely hearing tribal folklore.

@redskyz483

Жыл бұрын

@@danielschaeffer1294 Sarcastic ! Me ? What makes you think that ? I'm shocked .

Oobie Doobie Kanoobie?! Too funny! I shot coffee out my nose on that one...😂

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

:)

@Emrickify

Жыл бұрын

As did I. Too funny!

@thomasbrown4791

2 ай бұрын

Thought it was funny too😂

This video makes clear what I've always had my suspicions of: Campbells 'monomyth' is too limited. I'm sure my skepticism is due in part to the diversity of stories I've encountered since my earliest of childhood years, courtesy of my father's love for legends, lore and mythology.

@t_ylr

Жыл бұрын

Campbell is a good entry point for this subject, but his work is very derivative of The Golden Bough by James George Frazer. He also influenced Jung. I still like Campbell but he heavily filtered Frazer's ideas they his own views. He was really a product of his time.

@christophercoleman6596

11 ай бұрын

Regarding Frazier, and hence Campbell, modern Anthropologists reject much of his ideas and conclusions. Basically, Frazier scoured the world's myths and did a cut and pasted myths & stories to fit his apriori theories, whether their original context fit it or not. Campbell did this even more broadly. Campbell's main value today is for script-writers in Hollywood in need of suitable frameworks with which to compose adventure scripts with broad appeal. For that purpose, Campbell is very useful.

Good video. My 6th Grade History students had gone over the Hero's Journey in ELA and Reading so when we watched Mulan as part of our unit on Ancient China I had them deconstruct that. They did a great job!

@szymonbaranowski8184

Жыл бұрын

I hope it was original Mulan 😂

Hello Jon, You have the most pleasing, calming and king voice I have ever heard. I would love to listen to you telling me stories all day, and all night. Thank you for delightful work!

Okay I was already excited and intrigued by the title and intro, but was totally unprepared for the Thumb Wars reference. It's so obscure now! Crecganford, you are my hero.

Digesting this type of information is really a pleasure and a fascinating insight on history as a collective. ❤

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I hope you enjoy it.

@koanbonwa

Жыл бұрын

Heya Bjorn Algiz 👋 Good to see you hanging out in quality content!

@Bjorn_Algiz

Жыл бұрын

​@@koanbonwa Hey! So awesome seeing you here brother.

I love this kind of content Jon! Your work is literally one of my favorite channels to watch. ❤

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Derek, I really appreciate all you do as well, and so proud that you hit 100k!

@MythVisionPodcast

Жыл бұрын

​@@Crecganfordthanks Brother, it's about time haha 😂

@szymonbaranowski8184

Жыл бұрын

name others! don't be so stingy

@szymonbaranowski8184

Жыл бұрын

name other ones! don't be so stingy

Really liked this. Years ago, I was fascinated with this area and read some of Campbell and Jung’s books. These guys really take footnotes to another level. Campbell, an English professor, excelled at topics related to the historical canon of European literature such as classical mythology and the medieval romance. However, his understanding of global mythologies was far weaker and this is evident in his writing. As much as I’m intrigued by the idea of a monomyth, I never really drank the Kool-Aid. It’s just one kind of story, of which there are many. Both Campbell and Jung were active when structuralism was the dominant academic trend and their ideas reflect the perhaps over-ambitious nature of that philosophy. Campbell’s monomyth was an euro-centric, narrative GUT theory, which was then simplified and utilised by Hollywood screenwriters such as George Lucas. Of the varied fields of fiction production, it’s mainstream cinema which has maintained the keenest appetite for this structural approach and every few years there’s a new theorist, with a new twelve-point formula, claiming to be the new Joseph Campbell. At this stage, you could almost call the guy an archetype.

@Dionaea_floridensis

Жыл бұрын

Haha nice subtle jab at the end

@d4n4nable

Жыл бұрын

Better than the post-structularist nonsense that followed it.

@szymonbaranowski8184

Жыл бұрын

what myth noneurasians had then? farmers by default never journeyd at all... and they had rigid structures with predefined elites without any option to jump ranks they could maybe become a state scholar ascending to heaven by knowledge so by sitting in books whole years we could argue about Arabs but again steppe people came there too at some point and even as sea people there could be story about growing in tribe getting through tests coming of age unlocking citizenship levels achievements as in central Africa traditions some things are totally meta repeating everywhere but to different extent even most irrelevant while these folks who embraced concept as human making it's central and to this day drives our psyche now we see antimyths created and alterations of original myths that lost their way emerging as alternatives either becoming a rebellion to ruin natural historical order or to reform it sometimes by deforming it to extent of unrecognisability

@garykeenan8591

11 ай бұрын

@@szymonbaranowski8184 Your racism has no place in an adult conversation. Your ignorance stains every word you manage to type.

The Eleusinian mysteries of Persephone and Demeter also focus on 3 main parts called the descent, the search and the ascent.

As both someone who studied Literature before moving on to Psychology, I like to think both concepts are templates. Storytellers, whether they're depending on this narrative or independently thinking it up like our ancestors, don't necessarily have to follow the Journey to the letter, but the tropes and character metamorphoses are all there in a kind of primordial, basic, and uncomplicated form, waiting to be developed by a storyteller's style and psyche.

@thomasbrown4791

2 ай бұрын

Well said

I just love this channel! Thank you for everything you're doing. 🤗

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

And thank you for watching

I will be interested to see the Heroine's Journey. As you spoke, I thought of how so many elements equate to Dorothy ending up in OZ. More than once, per author Baum.

4:00 "Oobie-Doobie Kinoobi" Ahaaha! Loved it!

A simple advice: put a gentle high-pass filter centered at 120 Hertz. There are too many resonances in this range. As ever, excellent and very interesting content. Thanks.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, I'll try this and see what happens.

Thank you for sharing your expertise on this fascinating topic. Your videos always makes me consider the connections we find throughout history.

Hello You. Hope you're well. Excellent presentation. Very pragmatic - as you are consistently. I wish more "believers" would listen to things like this

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind words, I do appreciate your continued support.

Nice that you should upload on this topic, I have actually been wondering what your perspective would be on that from a comparative mythology standpoint. I originally approached Campbell from a writers point of view, and thought “well that’s convenient” and at the same time I felt like maybe it was a bit too convenient. Years later I would go on to study cultural encounters and while it has nothing directly to do with writing or world myth, it IS about being particularly sensitive to the situatedness of cultural expressions, and sceptical of any too-easily proposed human universals across space and time, that do not take a lot of contextual stuff into account. This was compounded by later working in performance studies, which of course cares a great deal about ritual, narrative and dramaturgy and of course considers knowledge production itself partial, situated and contingent. Anyway, along the way I realised that what really bothered me about Campbell, aside from the later academic reservations, was that he somehow seemed to end up reducing the scope of that which he so genuinely loved - if all stories boil down to one didactic myth and if the universal usage of that is the point - why bother with the “skin” or detail of each story? Now I am not saying that Heros Journey can’t be a useful tool in the box for a writer, but it is getting pretty evident in much cinema when we are just going mechanically through the motions that the formula also produces automatic formulaic thinking which do NOT have any fresh perspectives to offer in terms of reviving and renewing culture, let alone offer a cultural critique. Granted the impact Campbell had on Hollywood screenwriting I think it’s fair to say that the paradigm is partly so universal in that arena of storytelling BECAUSE of Heros Journey and part of shaping pop-culture expectations of stories. Even if the patterns were as universal as proposed it still overlooks the fact that the specifics how each pattern was perceived and use in the specific culture at the specific point in time, is probably what is ACTUALLY interesting. Most cultures may have made some kind of knife but how that knife is actually shaped and what it is made of and why and what it was specifically used for is what ACTUALLY enlightens us about to the specific cultural, situational and geographical conditions and the specific practices deemed central to survival. There is specific cultural knowledge embedded in the localized shape of the traditional tool and THAT is what’s interesting from a knowledge production point of view. Not the fact that hey, there’s another knife, aren’t we just an universally knifewielding bunch us humans … Story elements and story patterns are the same. There is a limit to what you can infer about them simply based on the fact that they appear to occur both here and there. The pattern alone does not inform us about what it specifically meant to people at the time. And frankly, in terms of Campbell the pattern of the proposed monomyth isn’t as pervasive as suggested. If you are allowed to chop it up into segments to make it fit, or omit parts of it to make it fit some myths - well, you can always find ways of fitting a small enough chunk of the journey onto something else, and at some point it just becomes cherrypicking to fit the Heros Bias. This iis a common problem with theory when it turns out ultimately doesn’t really sufficiently map the object after all. What of true value does the monomyth pattern really allow us to see at the end of the day? Are the pedagogical or “wisdom” functions proposed by Campbell really so universally relevant? There are cultures which do not even operate with the idea of “fathers” in the rather Freudian way of the Heros Journey. If only mothers exist and children are thought come about by the spirits unrelated to the sexual act - what becomes of “Atonement With The Father?” What becomes of the whole Oedipal proposition? Anyway - should you have bothered to read this far, which would be indeed be a bit of a Heros Journey - it was a really informative video on the topic and also I just felt somewhat personally vindicated by your take …😂

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for taking the time to comment, it is appreciated.

@whynottalklikeapirat

Жыл бұрын

@@Crecganford Thanks for all the great stuff and props for actually completing this somewhat meandering quest 💪☺

Very interesting. To me, the hero's journey is more like a helix. It is a cyclical pattern like a circle, but each time around, the hero "levels up."

Ps. I got it. Usually in history story’s wasn’t entertainment. It’s was propaganda, ethics, examples etc. Now we create stories to leave reality and enjoy not being ordinary people with trivial problems.

Exceptional comparative analysis. Thanks for making it.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

And thank you for watching and commenting, it is appreciated.

As a writer, I use the hero's journey as a basic template (knowing Campbell pretty well). It's universal and works well, and you're explanation of it was one of the best I've heard. And sometimes I stray from it to where the protagonist is also their own antagonist. Thanks, Jon. And Happy Solstice!

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words, they are appreciated.

I had just listened to a podcast, I forget the person involved, talking about how The Hero’s Journey was repackaged for Hollywood writers, into a tool they very commonly use in crafting plots for film and TV.

As always, I loved your video and found it thought-provoking, and an enjoyable way to spend my time and enhance my views. Thanks for your time and effort and to your generous patrons who make it possible.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

And thank you so much for watching and commenting, it is appreciated.

I LOVE JOSEPH CAMPBELL !!!!!!!! I had to walk the journey.... Thanx for the guide Joe. I'm from the Campbell clan. "If it's not Scottish, it's crap!" Joseph Bell, a good Scottish doctor, was the model for Sherlock Holmes. I love science. And, I love unlocking the secrets of the past using a detective's method. I want to tell my story about a hero. Mine happens after Toba. I think my theme is about the first stories and the first story tellers. Epic disaster films are not really a new thing. I bet, I bet the first stories were about overcoming a natural disaster. Fire, flood, or volcano. They all make for a heroic story of survival over natural forces. Narrative grew out of a need to pass on memories and skills. Humans came to rule the earth because they followed the script. The script is that of the hero and his journey into danger and the unknown.

@szymonbaranowski8184

Жыл бұрын

Some Scottish are cryptoFlemish...

You are one of my favorite content creators. Thank you

@Crecganford

10 ай бұрын

And thank you for watching my videos and for taking the time to comment. It is appreciated.

The Fool's Journey is a symbolic journey depicted in tarot card decks, representing the path of personal growth and transformation. It is divided into 22 major arcana cards, each representing a stage or archetype in the Fool's progression. 0. **The Fool**: The Fool embarks on a new adventure, filled with unlimited potential and innocence. It symbolizes a fresh start, taking risks, and embracing the unknown. 1. **The Magician**: The Fool encounters the Magician, representing mastery, skill, and manifestation. The Magician teaches the Fool to harness their talents and use them to create their desired reality. 2. **The High Priestess**: The Fool encounters the High Priestess, representing intuition, mystery, and inner wisdom. The High Priestess teaches the Fool to trust their inner voice and delve into the depths of their subconscious. 3. **The Empress**: The Fool encounters the Empress, representing fertility, nurturing, and abundance. The Empress teaches the Fool about creativity, sensuality, and the importance of nurturing oneself and others. 4. **The Emperor**: The Fool encounters the Emperor, representing authority, structure, and leadership. The Emperor teaches the Fool about taking control, establishing order, and creating a solid foundation. 5. **The Hierophant**: The Fool encounters the Hierophant, representing tradition, spirituality, and guidance. The Hierophant teaches the Fool about wisdom, belief systems, and the search for deeper meaning. 6. **The Lovers**: The Fool encounters the Lovers, representing love, relationships, and choices. The Lovers teach the Fool about the power of love, unity, and the importance of making choices aligned with their true self. 7. **The Chariot**: The Fool encounters the Chariot, representing determination, willpower, and triumph. The Chariot teaches the Fool to stay focused, overcome obstacles, and move forward with confidence. 8. **Strength**: The Fool encounters Strength, representing inner strength, courage, and resilience. Strength teaches the Fool about taming their inner beasts and embracing their personal power. 9. **The Hermit**: The Fool encounters the Hermit, representing solitude, introspection, and wisdom. The Hermit teaches the Fool about self-reflection, inner guidance, and the search for deeper truths. 10. **Wheel of Fortune**: The Fool encounters the Wheel of Fortune, representing cycles, destiny, and change. The Wheel of Fortune teaches the Fool about the ever-changing nature of life and the importance of adapting to its twists and turns. 11. **Justice**: The Fool encounters Justice, representing balance, fairness, and karmic consequences. Justice teaches the Fool about making ethical choices, taking responsibility, and seeking justice and truth. 12. **The Hanged Man**: The Fool encounters the Hanged Man, representing surrender, sacrifice, and seeing things from a new perspective. The Hanged Man teaches the Fool about letting go, embracing patience, and finding enlightenment through unconventional means. 13. **Death**: The Fool encounters Death, representing transformation, endings, and new beginnings. Death teaches the Fool about the necessity of change, shedding old patterns, and embracing transformation for growth. 14. **Temperance**: The Fool encounters Temperance, representing balance, harmony, and moderation. Temperance teaches the Fool about finding equilibrium, blending opposing forces, and embracing moderation in all aspects of life. 15. **The Devil**: The Fool encounters the Devil, representing temptation, bondage, and illusion. The Devil teaches the Fool about the traps of materialism, addictions, and negative patterns, urging them to break free. 16. **The Tower**: The Fool encounters the Tower, representing upheaval, revelation, and sudden change. The Tower brings destruction to outdated structures and beliefs, paving the way for transformation and rebuilding from the ground up. 17. **The Star**: After the chaos of the Tower, the Fool encounters the Star, representing hope, inspiration, and guidance. The Star offers healing and renewed faith, guiding the Fool towards their true purpose and destiny. 18. **The Moon**: The Fool encounters the Moon, representing the realm of emotions, intuition, and the subconscious. The Moon invites the Fool to explore their deepest fears, dreams, and desires, embracing the mysteries of the night. 19. **The Sun**: The Fool encounters the Sun, representing joy, vitality, and illumination. The Sun radiates positivity, bringing clarity and confidence to the Fool's journey. It symbolizes a harmonious union of the conscious and unconscious aspects of the self. 20. **Judgment**: The Fool encounters Judgment, representing self-reflection, rebirth, and awakening. Judgment calls the Fool to evaluate their choices, confront past mistakes, and embrace transformation, leading to a higher level of awareness and self-acceptance. 21. **The World**: The Fool reaches the final stage of their journey and encounters the World, representing completion, integration, and fulfillment. The World signifies the Fool's attainment of wisdom, wholeness, and unity with the universe. It marks the end of one cycle and the beginning of a new one. The Fool's Journey is a symbolic representation of the various stages of personal and spiritual development. Each card represents an archetype or lesson that the Fool encounters along their path. It is a metaphorical exploration of the human experience and the challenges and growth that come with it.

@vicentegonzales2457

Жыл бұрын

🔥

@PerksJ

Жыл бұрын

Good connection! Of course the hero would translate to the fool who necessitates supernatural help (of the cards)!

Another fine presentation. Much appreciated.

And cows always go, “Mooo,” at least until they’re sacrificed. Ah! At last I understand the Hero’s Journey. Seriously, though, this was a very interesting structural comparison of mythological frameworks. Thanks, Creganford.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

And thank you for watching, and taking the time to comment.

King Arthur is a very influential heroes journey mythology too

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and I want to cover his story separately because its evolution is fascinating.

@szymonbaranowski8184

Жыл бұрын

the original Robin Hood too

I've been looking forward to this, thank you.

We are all the hero in our own personal journey, and by and large they are indeed all the same yes. But what matters is the friends we made along the way

@Crecganford

6 ай бұрын

Very true.

This makes me rethinks things.

I just want to point out that Jung thought the collective unconscious influenced people outside of explicit communication and culture. He saw patterns across different cultures without any influence from eachother. It could mean that he thought the collective unconscious was partially metaphysical in nature, that's the way I interpret what I've heard from jung anyway.

This answers so many questions that I've had rattling about in my head for years. Well presented and clearly explained. This channel is pure gold.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words.

Fabulous video as always, and thanks for all the hard work you put into the videos for us.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much.

Very pleased with this video, especially your recognition of distinctive cultural elements and notes on Jung. I am always a bit shocked when his work is misconstrued by some who ought to be highly intellectual or educated people.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words, and your input on this video. It is always appreciated.

@christopherellis2663

Жыл бұрын

Those who are of low intelligence and a pallid education. 😊

Instead of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love me and despair!

Really enjoyed that casual "Thumb Wars" reference! Silliest name in the Galaxy!

Im not surprised individualistic modern people would focus on personal transformation over anything else.

@guilledcf1547

11 ай бұрын

Well, that's the whole idea of the "hero". Which ain't really that modern.

It's actually compelling that the hero often fails

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

I agree, those stories are often more interesting.

wow! love all your videos love your stuff, great material, ALL your vids, God bless you peace

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great work, thank you

Excellent. Thank you.

Really great video, thanks sir. I enjoyed how you carefully explored the different angles on the topic - it was helpful for me to hear it explained step by step in detail. To me it seems you could do some excellent episodes exploring goddesses. I would personally enjoy this very much. Perhaps a series that explores the divine feminine in a variety of myths and representations. I’d watch it!! Take care dude

Another wonderful video, Jon. I enjoyed my coffee with this one, although I've had to leave out the creamer as I find it disagrees with me. I love seeing ancient myths and stories reflected in modern media, so the discussion around the hero's journey is especially interesting, personally. Thank you for the time and energy you continue to put into your content.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for watching.

@brendantuthill6491

Жыл бұрын

@@Crecganford absolutely, and as always I'm looking forward to more

Its almost supernaturally universal. If you take a closer look at the lyrics to many songs they also follow the hero's journey

3:58 vague thumb wars reference! It's been forever since I saw that

great video, learned alot. Thank you

Awesome video!!

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much.

Props for using evocative art!

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Very well done!

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Campbell was among the first to introduce me to the vast field of mythology, and for that i am eternally grateful. I think you did a good job of giving him his due respect, while critiquing the limitations of his universalist methods. Jung, on the other hand, once again emerges victorious. Hail Carl Gustav!

Very interesting. For me it speaks to the good vs evil. Only good & evil do not have motives, they are levels/intensity of action. A person is not good or evil, they do good or evil things. One of this societal norms of understanding where everyone seems to get it wrong imo . Excellent breakdown Thank You.

Your content is first rate!

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

Thank you.

Campbell's "hero's journey" is a very powerful concept because all of our religions, faiths, stories, fables, folklore, etc. all follow this general "template," whether that is the passion narrative of the gospel lore, or Luke Skywalker. Real life is something else altogether, and much more of a mixed reality of wins and losses, waves of highs and lows, love and heartbreak - a less predictable and established pattern, or narrative arc. There is no promise of a happy ending even though we all feel better by longing for one, and that longing is the whole reason we wrote the hero's story to begin with - that deep psychological need and grasping for it too all end well. We psychologically, and maybe even physiologically, need to reflect on the hero's journey as a source of inspiration, and as a model journey to aspire to in light of a highly unpredictable and chaotic existence. This is the real power of myth.

"Oobi Doobie Kenoobi"? ROFL I was always skeptical of Joseph Campbell's monomyth, not because I thought he was necessarily wrong, but because I thought it was an oddly vague and specific at the same time. Most stories can be describes as structured in various ways, but then he adds mythical and fantasy tropes that throw off the generalities of a basic structure. Maybe that works if you're writing a Sword and Sorceror fantasy story or writing a plot for a Dungeons and Dragons campaign, but I'm not sure how well it can relate to modern stories, even modern fantasies, modern myths, or modern religious stories. I came up with my own "monomyth" or story structure for my writing, based on the creation story of one of the religions I made up for the story. It's based on the rainbow, each color of which refers to a covenant and a related tribe with a different cultural history. While the rainbow has 7 colors in this system, there are non-colors that have covenants of a sort, but fit in differently. It's not just a monomyth for the story of creation, it's a creative process for development of ideas, a person, a society, or even a product. I'll give a quick overview. Crystal (clear) = the first non-color represents perfection and godliness in the creation process, but also refraction and reflection and ultimately fracture and inclusions that needed to occur for creation of the universe to commence. (Note, in the rainbow this would be the raindrops of clear water) Black = infrared light, the nighttime of contemplation and deliberation leading up to the first act of new creation after the perfection was shattered leaving dark voids and inclusions. (Note, the background outside the rainbow appears darker than inside.) Red = emberlight the first color and represents blood and communion with the divine, including sacrifice, but also passions like love and hate or desires for new ideas or change. Orange = firelight or sunrise and is the spark of creation made manifest, or first prototypes see the light of day. Yellow = strong sunlight and examination and judgement of ideas or self to discern their value. Green = dappled sunlight and therefore organic growth and gifts and natural development and learning by observation and field testing under the protective canopy or intercession of the trees. Cyan (Newton's "blue") = the light blue or blue-green color that represents light through glacial ice and represents structured learning and observation and formal education and institutional development of a person or idea. Blue (Newton's "indigo") = darkening skylight at sunset, representing leadership and dominion to execute an idea or achieve a personal goal. Violet = twilight, apotheosis, resurrection, rebirth as well as birth, when an idea, product, or person transcends goals and becomes something more and then can rest. White = ultraviolet light and fluorescence, represents unity, as the person or idea becomes one with the source, divine or otherwise, and can begin the creative process anew. (Note, the background of the inside of the rainbow appears lighter or hazier.) I hope that makes sense and that I haven't committed the cardinal error of describing a good idea badly.

This was an interesting video; As someone that likes writing I have of course heard of the Hero's Journey and even implemented it in many stories, but I was never quite on the side of people who treat it as some sort of holy concept or people who are all to much believing it to be perfectly applicable on every story of every culture. It is all a very fascinating topic, but also one in which I had similar points like You in some discussions... But I still believe that there are some aspects that enough humans share in their inner psychology, that make them conect with some archetypes and brings fort different stories with some similarities. (Sorry for My bad English, but I speak German and are better in listening English than writing it).

So concise, yet detailed🌟👽🙌

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words.

In Lord of the Rings, there were many Hero Types. Male and female. Boromir was tortured like Hercules, he did a bad thing because of it. But in the end he stood in the gap for his friends and died. A war sacrifice. Eowyn was prepared to go just as far.

I'd love to see something about the Narts. Love your vids.

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

I have a fair amount of literature on them, so one day.

Excellent stuff as always. Keep up the good work sir. Also: Heroes click the like button? I'm a hero! I had no idea it was so easy. If I like 12 of your videos can I call myself Hercules? 😉

I really enjoy your videos! I’m wondering if you can make a video about the timeline of all ancient civilizations and any connections they have to each other. Thanks for the great content!

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

I touch on some of this in my next video, which is out tomorrow.

This book was my bible for years. Started reading it again recently and it still surprises me.

Hey very good videos thank you sir!

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

You are very welcome, thank you.

One problem is that George Lucas had read Campbell's book before writing Star Wars and consciously drew on his ideas to write the story

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

That makes sense, it is a near perfect match.

Thank you for the video! A bit surprised that nobody haven't mentioned Vladimir Propp yet with his 'Morphology of the tale' which has more scientific and complex approach to this matter. I believe you may be interested i that book, and sorry if it was mentioned earlier somewhere else

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

I have that book, it is a great and helped me a lot when I was researching the dragon myth.

Yes... it's here....Campbell

Is it surprising that hero's journey myths are similar among many cultures? Almost by definition the hero of an exciting tale has to go on a perilous journey to face danger, then return home afterwards.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

If they didn't they wouldn't be a hero... :)

Really enjoyed this video, alongside my leisurely Sunday morning coffee. I was wondering if, instead of Arjuna from the Mahabharata, you had considered covering Rama's story in the Ramayana as an example of the hero's journey in ancient Indian mythology? Rama's narrative journey seems to almost perfectly align to the narrative structure, and probably also easier to clearly draw out due to its focus on a smaller set of characters than the Mahabharata.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

I would love to talk more about the Mahabharata and all the heroes in it, and so I'll add that to my To Do list.

excellent

Excellent vidtas always! I'd love to see you have a conversation with the channel Esoterica about this!

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching, and this has been mentioned a few times and so I will try and make this happen.

@Dionaea_floridensis

Жыл бұрын

@@Crecganford Wonderful! Super excited and good luck!

Really enjoying this so far, just found this channel and I'm a huge fan of the study of myth and psychology. Can't help but think the epic of gilgamesh would have been a fascinating example (and interesting subversion of) the hero's journey to cover.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

That is an interesting idea, I may do that in the future, thank you for the suggestion.

@iain_nakada

Жыл бұрын

@@Crecganford There's a definite call to action, inciting incident, all that stuff. The twist being that the thing that was searched for (the fruit of eternal life) is lost on the way home. However, something of deeper value is perhaps gained by the protagonist. Loving the channel, in particular your nuanced explanations covering both arguments for and against, fairly and in depth. Would be nice for that to be the norm around here. ;)

@szymonbaranowski8184

Жыл бұрын

El Cyd was a crazy story and historical figure like playing both sides always on own side

I’ve read Campbell and Jung and I don’t think about their theories about these stories in terms of a specific time and place, but rather in terms of these stories speaking to something deep within our psyche. Jungian archetypes are the community of individuals that reside inside each of us, some of which are heroes. The reason we find similar stories from different cultures across space and time is because of the commonality of the human experience. People are people, whether are you watching videos on KZread in the 21st century, hunting buffalo in the 14th century, eating grapes by the Mediterranean 3k years ago, riding a horse across Eurasia 20k years ago, or dodging lions in Africa 100k years ago. Yes, the dressings on the stories are culturally specific for the time and place they were created, but the core of the stories, the essence, is universal. That’s why they become popular i.e. mythic. Luke Skywalker and Frodo Baggins have epic adventures, but their story isn’t much different from the “story” we all live. We all live an adventure. We have mentors, we overcome obstacles, and we learn and grow. We are all the hero of our own story and we recognize that journey in others, both fictional and nonfictional. I think this is what Campbell and Jung were getting at, although they used a whole lot more words.

Once upon a time all was well, then there was a disagreement and separation. A period of turmoil ensued. After this a reconciliation occurred and everyone lived happily ever after. The end. Where do we find this idea outside of myth, film, literature and religion? In classical music, specifically in sonata and symphonic form. Even modern songs exhibit a simplified version.

Fascinating but fair. As you say at the end he was a writer first

Отличная и универсальная теория, которая, пожалуй, основана на индивидуальном пути каждого человека, где всё сводится к преодолению трудностей.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I‘m glad that other beverages are finally acceptable. 🥂

Excellent video. Small correction. Frodo does not cast the ring into the fires of Mount Doom.

Is there some significance in the fact that Frodo, Harry, and Luke, (as well as Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, etc...) are all orphans when their adventures begin? It's an incredibly common trope in hero stories and I find that interesting. Heroines more often have an overbearing parental figure rather than none at all. Like, wanting them to marry, (Mulan, Brave) or keeping them locked away either from malice or to keep them safe (Sleeping Beauty, Rapunzel). I know those are all Disney but they're based on old stories.

Just a heads up. The subtitles/captions cover the whole screen like a big wall of text.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Oh no... that must be a KZread bug. I'll see what I can do, thank you.

This video IS the definition of how an Idea, as well and perfctly written, can not be completly incapsulated in a book

"W-What's your middle name?" "Scoobie Doobie" "Oobie Doob Scoobie Doobie Banoobi?" "One and the same."

I think there was some confusion about the total universality of the Hero´s Journey theme as a common background pattern which always appears on the same way at core for many cultures, but it actually comes from an excersice on comparative mythologies throught the world NOT just the IndoEuropean, and Campbell was very well aware in life from the differences within it, and kinda seemed to have pointed on the similarities also happened to be build up as cultures evolved more on their compexitiy. Furtherlymore a lot of The Hero´s Journey or Monomyth seems to derived a lot of a comparative between a lot of the classical Western European folktales developed through the Middle and Early Modern Ages and which Campbell has started to study on after following the path of Antti Aarne´s classification of the Grimm´s tales. Also Frazer´s ideas on The Golden Bough influenced some of his work of course and Jane Hartnell´s on classical Greece so... overall it´s not much fault on Campbell´s own proposal merging all that anew with some Jungian thoughts on archetypes, but just an hypotesis that seems to be more in tune with modern narratives of stories rather than the original way of the myhs throught the world in most part of them - at least the Indo-European ones seems they weren´t on a whole and just on parts, whereas if the narratives of other part of the world might have been influenced or changed throught the cultural filter of the colonialists which gathered those stories in their own particular perspective to tell stories, so it´s hard to grasp if those modifications which shaped some similarities in all were actually prexistat before the arrival of foreigners influencing their culture or if happened after that. But well seems that Campbell was somewhat unaware of that, kinda thought the Monomyth idea was universal and he was focused on more issues and never gave a better revision on his work to see if the idea actually was a comparative of more modern trends on narration structure.

Joseph Campbell throughout Hero with a Thousand Faces presents not just an endless stream of myths, but continuously contrasts conflicting ideas and worldviews. Because Campbell is concerned with the why of mythology, not its historical or prehistorical evolution. And the why is exactly mythology and culture informed by it serving the purpose of re-integrating apparently impossible to resolve dualities. From a post World War 2 perspective, Campbell sees that there needs to be non-centralized but worldwide uprising of consciousness.

I patiently watched that just now. Yes, not only is Star Wars based on The Hero with a Thousand Faces but George Lucas was a student of Joseph Campbell and the character of Yoda is actually based on Campbell's appearance. I am terribly surprised you hadn't discovered that. From what I got about Joseph Campbell he was actually quite knowledgable about the Indian tradition. I also felt that his work as a mythologist was quite distinct from the hero's journey work which was on the subfield of mythology concerning legends of heros ("to live by"), not of gods and his comparative mythology there. I admire Jung too, but we forget Campbell was quite a serious scholar who just happened to be popular, rather like Tolkien. They wrote for a popular audience, yes, which seems to have confused things. Certainly differences in literary traditions across cultures are so vast as even to make them unrecognizable as literature to each other. Such a cold medium has more not less to separate it. Yeah so you don't like my attitude, but there it is. At least it's sincere.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

That is interesting, I think that may have biased my view if I knew it before. Thank you for taking the time to share this with me.

15:54 thank you for clarifying that... because i hear that nonsense all the time. Jung is the ferryman for many new-age loony tunes

Campbell laid out the framework of the Star Wars nonology, but the vision was lost when he died.

There is a difference between Myths and Folk Tales. A myth is a story about the Gods--about the sacred, the above and the out-there. Folk Tales are stories about humans--about our relationship with the sacred, the above and the out-there. Campbell was confused and mixed the two types of stories, mapping a type of Folk Tale and declaring it the pattern for all Myth. Jung related Folk Tales to the unconscious of the community and Myths to the universal Archetypal patterns. Campbell has ruined modern story telling. If you want a better view see Marie-Louise von Franz who wrote extensively about the structure and psychology of Fairy/Folk Tales and was one of Jung's close students. Unlike Campbell, she also discusses the difference in psychology between Hero and Heroine tales--like the difference between Vasilisa's and Ivan's relationships with Baba Yaga.

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree, and have made a video about this point as it is a mistake made by many who are not mythologists. Thank you for watching and your comment, it is appreciated.

@danielschaeffer1294

Жыл бұрын

“You send Baba Yaga to KILL the fucking boogeyman!” - John Wick.

Star Wars, like many modern films and stories, was consciously based on The Hero's Journey.

@danielschaeffer1294

Жыл бұрын

So was “The Road Warrior,” which I much preferred, because it’s got lots of gore and NEAT AUTO WRECKS!

@tayrowell

11 ай бұрын

Initiation rituals in secret societies and fraternities who mimic them as the same. Our best religions and best stories and best fables and folklore all mimic each other, because they are each other.

Former studio engineer here. Wondering if you’ve got heavy compression on your mic (I can hear it “pumping” as you start and stop speaking). Also if you’re using a noise gate it’s not working fast enough. I enjoy your vids and your unique style 👍👍

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your feedback and kind words. A few people have said this but I don't add compression, not knowingly, and so I will check out what is happening on my audio.

@patrailriders6284

11 ай бұрын

@@Crecganford You're welcome. If you're not using any compression, you might want to (2:1 or 4:1). It makes loud sounds softer and soft sounds louder - i.e. compresses the dynamic range of the signal. It also allows you to use a bit less input gain on the mic to reduce noise. You've got a great voice so it would be awesome to hear it "sparkle" as we say. I'm a Wilson so it's probably as close to how my own ancestors spoke as I'll ever get. Cheers.

Thank you for sharing this with people. 👌❤️🙏 Q: Considering some aspects of eagle symbolism, do you think the great eagles intervention could represent salvation of the "immortal" being from complete destruction by a common death?

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

An interesting question, and one I think we would need Tolkien to answer to be sure of his meaning. To me I think eagles were necessary, representing strength as opposed to a mythological meaning. But I do want to look into Tolkien's inspirations much more and so will give this proper consideration then.

As I understand it, the 'monomyth' and the general ideas proposed by Jung speak in metaphor of real life. Like the adventure of life itself. So stories often represent this in weird, fantastic ways. But as stories and society develop, there's the need to do more. So certain myths can be based around one particular step, a deviation or a deconstruction. Thus, I am more inclined to believe that, through Jung's perspective, THE myth is kind of a rooted thought that grew in humans as the ability to speak and comunicate appeared in our psyches throughout hundreds of thousands of years.

I just found out that Beauty and the Beast is essentially the same story as Hades and Persephone, want to dive into that and similar stories some time?

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

Yes, I’m happy to do comparisons of analogs.

I definitely still feel that Jung is still useful even with the advent of modern scientific analysis

Everyone talks about Jung, but nobody mentions Neumann 😢. If you are interested in this subject you must read The Origins and History of Consciousness. Jung wrote in the forward that it was the book he would have hoped to write if he had longer to live.

@Crecganford

11 ай бұрын

To be honest I didn't want to talk about Jung, because I could never do him justice. I don't think I've read Neumann, but I will add him to my reading list. Thank you.

" Youth without ageing and life without death" Ținaret fără Batranete, şi Viața fără Moarte_ a Romanian Tale about venture and return .

@Crecganford

Жыл бұрын

@crowhag told me that story in person when we first met.

@Crowhag

Жыл бұрын

Indeed!

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