*Frequently Asked Questions* *Wouldn't you shoot your thumb off?* Correct technique would involve placing the thumb down, which is normal for shooting arrows off the thumb anyway. The arrow and cradle are held against the bow with the string hand, not with the bow hand. Of course you should know how to do this correctly before attempting it yourself, but it's a safe tool. *It isn't cheating! It's...* It's a joke. Relax. *What don't you shoot it?* I said in the video that I acquired this item since it was broken by its previous owner. The arrows have been split and are taped together, and the cradle itself is also split. There are plenty of demonstrations of tool if you search up its various names - tong-ah, majra or solenarion. Recommended viewing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d4ejp8l6lsjen8o.html *Is it similar to a crossbow?* I'm not exactly sure where this is coming from. Visually, the shorter arrow looks like a crossbow bolt, but the method of operation was entirely different. Crossbows trigger-operated weapons intended to penetrate armour at relatively close distances and used by lesser trained men. The tong-ah is primarily used for long-distance shooting and requires a high degree of training, as often was the case with archers in general.

@anonymousshawn9996

5 жыл бұрын

NUSensei Serious question: Is it considered breaking traditional archery standards if one customizes their bows and arrows?

@WhiteDragonSecurity

5 жыл бұрын

@Max Pain The other benefit that goes with the weight, is that it is also MUCH easier to make a short straight arrow than a long one. MUCH faster production.

@Wayne-hs6gm

5 жыл бұрын

NUSensei how does the bow cope with the lighter arrow weight without the risk of it being like dry firing the bow? I have a short Turkish bow, and it comes with a minimum grain/weight limit of arrows that I can shoot before it becomes like dry firing the bow.

@dongleseon8785

5 жыл бұрын

@@Wayne-hs6gm You can simply put heavier tip on it.

@franksworld9922

5 жыл бұрын

All I can think when you said that was you'll shoot your eye out!

Hi Nu Sensei. As a Korean, it's really nice to see a video about the Pyeonjeon. Any Korean who knows a thing about Korean traditional archery are usually very proud about the Pyeonjeon(sometimes too much). Just to add a bit more, during the Joseon Dynasty, the Pyeonjeon were both symbolistic techniques of the Koreans and also a military secret. So much of a secret that modern Korean archers had a hard time to even find traditional manuals of shooting one. Considering the Korean history of the time, they were often used against Manchurians because the two countries had constant skirmishes around the border, and there are many records of how the Manchurians viewed the Pyeonjeon to be a very fearful weapon. There's even a record when Koreans were volleying long range shots, where the enemy would just avoid them or even block the arrows with their swords, and the Koreans being pissed, whipped out their Pyeonjeons and the enemy would be helpless against those shots. Also, just to point out a fact, the Pyeonjeon and Tong-ah are definitely some tools that need skill. It was known to occasionally have accidents where less skilled archers would shoot their own hand. Of course that shouldn't happen with the right techniques, but the risk during the learning curve was definitely there.

@atune2682

5 жыл бұрын

Arkh Tyi very interesting thank you sir

@vanilabalz1205

5 жыл бұрын

same

@dongf2618

5 жыл бұрын

Is there any record that stated it was a military secret? Byzantine military manuals is the first to record such a weapon, and then the Chinese also recorded such a weapon just a few years after the Byzantine. Also, the Turks have this weapon. So how is that a military secret when its usage can be traced to all over the Euro-Asian continent?

@meklavier4664

5 жыл бұрын

@@dongf2618 another attempt by the Koreans to think they invented most thing?

@dongf2618

5 жыл бұрын

@supreme king drive.google.com/file/d/1bBiyWFHe-HkIvj9GUCK0XAVKBpSHFXYC/view Indeed, the Tang and Song dynasties did use this weapon and named it "筒箭" or Tong Jian, in their military tests. The Tang also set up an army wielding this weapon and called it "筒射军." The Song army also used this weapon in their armies: "唐制武舉有筒射，今軍中亦有之。筒射之箭長纔尺餘，剖筒之半，長與常弓所用箭等。留二三寸不剖為筈，以傅弦内箭，筒中注箭弦上，筒旁為竅，穿小绳繫于腕，彀弓既發，豁筒向手背，激矢射敵，中者洞貫，所謂筒箭也。" Ming dynasty also used this weapon, and the Baoding archers are known to be skilled in using this weapon, and they were requisitioned by the government to aid general Qi Jiguang against the Woku (the Japanese pirates). There were quite a lot of mentionings in Byzantinian records as well.

It's like shooting crossbow bolts from a bow.

@ObserverOfFire

5 жыл бұрын

That's cheating 🤣

@ulrichkalber9039

5 жыл бұрын

"i am innocent, that is a crossbow bolt, i do not own a crossbow, just a bow"

@WhiteDragonSecurity

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking: Piece of pvc and some crossbow bolts.

@FathinLuqmanTantowi

5 жыл бұрын

@@ObserverOfFire everything is fair in love and war

If you ain’t cheating in war, you ain’t trying!

@motastank64

5 жыл бұрын

Alls fair in love and war.....

@Mitch3343

5 жыл бұрын

Y'all will say that till someone gets nuked.

@ShadyAnchovy

5 жыл бұрын

It not cheating if you not use nuclear warhead arrow tip

@kanck7909

5 жыл бұрын

@@Mitch3343 What's wrong with that? USA really wasn't "trying" on jp before using the nuke in WW2. He didn't suggest you to try. He is just saying.

@edison7300037

5 жыл бұрын

"All warfare is based on deception". Sun Tsu

If you think about it, it's possibly the highest velocity ancient archery achieved. Crossbow bolts were lighter but the extremely short draw length on crossbows greatly reduced their acceleration despite their obscenely heavy draw. This took be benefits of both a crossbow and normal bow.

In Korea, the name of that skill is 'AeGi-Sal' , and it means 'baby arrow'.

@tm114paul

3 жыл бұрын

Writing as 애기살, is it?

@user-se5wb5so4n

3 жыл бұрын

@@tm114paul That's right. Thx

@bryanwells4063

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm makes sense

@rexnfield

3 жыл бұрын

Baby fat?

@krisnasutanandika5665

3 жыл бұрын

Aegisal or pyeonjeon

Tongah and pyeonjeon (the short arrows) were part of the standard kit of Chosun era archers. Their quivers held 20 arrows and 10 pyeonjeon arrows.

Cheating? "All warfare is based on deception." Sun Tzu - The Art of War

@arthraelinstromweiss6252

5 жыл бұрын

Whatever Kratos

@error.418

5 жыл бұрын

He was making a joke about how people call all the Olympic archery aids "cheating"

@jwjames1278

4 жыл бұрын

@@arthraelinstromweiss6252 lol

@6sinegohwan336

3 жыл бұрын

Dang u rely looks like kratos

That was interesting - never heard of them before.

"how do you shoot this without a tong-ah?" crossbow

@pingwenhung8327

5 жыл бұрын

You filthy casual cheater xD

@brenxbux

5 жыл бұрын

But load time

@karentiger5117

5 жыл бұрын

Bobby Strong the bolt is bigger and a bit shorter by a inch

@BtheLee11

5 жыл бұрын

@Hoàng Nguyên well bows in general bring more fire rate to the table than crossbows, and also boast greater ranges depending on your drawweight, if we're talking warbows you can guess it's gonna be 80-120 pounds for an english one. Korean bows i'm uncertain of the drawweights but i would imagine they're similar. On top of that is production costs of a crossbow vs a bow, crossbows have more moving parts and therefore are more complex to make. A bow is generally comprised of 2 types of wood, a soft wood and a hard wood, and of course the string.

@tylerkim2568

5 жыл бұрын

But more weaker

NUSensei - Cool video, thanks for making it. Some commenters point out that the use of the Tong-ah reduces weight per arrow allowing more to be carried or at least least a lighter load, which is distinct plus but it also decreases the amount of space needed for carrying arrows. Shorter quivers are less likely to snag on things. The Tong-ah maximizes available resources beyond reusing broken arrows. The amount of wood needed for one long arrow can make two arrows for a Tong-ah archer. So it not only increases the amount of arrows that can be carried, it also increases the amount of arrows that can be made. With all It's advantages it's really surprising that the Tong-ah is so obscure in the western world.

I love archery, especially the history of archery in its many forms around the world. War of the Arrows is a great movie. Thank you for posting!

Siper is also a cool one, Tirendaz has a bunch of info on it. There's also a theory i read a while back, that it was developed also for the sake of shooting back crossbow bolts if you're an archer fighting crossbowmen.

what you forgott about it, is that due to is length (arrow) theres less wobble, so that short arrow isnt as much as affected by the so called Archers Paradox.

@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r

5 жыл бұрын

He said it was more aerodynamic...what do you want? Good Will Hunting?

Is it just me, or does NU-sensei sounds just like Eddy from TwoSetViolin

@JaguarBST

5 жыл бұрын

You mean they aren't the same?

@raccooncafe5689

5 жыл бұрын

If you can play it slowly...

@greg4275

5 жыл бұрын

If you can shoot slowly...

Thank you for giving this topic light, Nu Sensei! Since most people from the west don't know much about eastern styles of archery.

Nice video and informative. It's worth mentioning that safety is of utmost importance. This technique is more risky than shooting a normal sized arrow off your hand. People should do as much research on how to use the Tong- ah before trying at home. Otherwise you could end up with an arrow into your bow hand. Also a side note, this technique was used by nomads eg Turks to shoot back Chinese crossbow bolts .

@leokim1458

5 жыл бұрын

"Also a side note, this technique was used by nomads eg Turks to shoot back Chinese crossbow bolts ." That's quite an interesting piece of information. Thank you very much for sharing!

@draven3838

5 жыл бұрын

You can't shoot this off hand it has to be thumb side ,and believe me it takes practice ,I even learned to curve my arrows

@draven3838

5 жыл бұрын

It was also used to shoot broken shafts that could be salvaged

@dimasakbar7668

5 жыл бұрын

I see, so thats the tactical usage of it. Thanks for sharing

@dimasakbar7668

5 жыл бұрын

@@draven3838 that too, thanks

6:00 That's cheating. Someone hear complaints from his enemy, 'This is cheating'? Thank you! What a compliment!

I have been a fan of archery since before I made my first string and stick bow, that might have only lasted for one draw.... I just cam across your channel and so far I enjoy the history. I just learned of similar methods to this that instead of the bamboo channel, The would actually tie longer heavier shafted arrows directly to the string at where it knocked. Then they would use all sorts of devices as projectiles. Even tubes with shot pushed out by the arrow shaft like a piston. Smaller arrows that would sit on the end of the fixed arrow, even Caltrops for anti-personnel and livestock. There is a device out there that can hold your bow at full draw until your ready to fire. It’s been marketed as an aide for disabled archers. Personally it’s just the same as a crossbow. With a cost comparison between the two it seems like the crossbow is not only easier to use but also more affordable. Coming to terms with your age and or disability is difficult and if the device lets even one person still do what they love then it’s a win. Now the company that put bullies on the tips of arrows.... yeah I’ll just skip that..lol.

🙏 I love using overdraws. I made some custom ones that i use to shoot sewing needles,BB's,tranquilizer darts,chop sticks,writing pens,drill bits and more. I even shoot 2 overdraws simultaneously. great tool for archery fun and application.

I suppose this has faded into memory for you but I have only just discovered your channel. Thankyou for all the help and interesting information.

It's like a missing link between bows and crossbows. Neat little piece of history. I don't see how people think this is "cheating" given how it's not for sports directly. Sure I'm cheating if I take an AR and a Glock to a cowboy action competition, but in real life you take every advantage you can get.

What is the chance of getting shot the archer left thumb? It looks quite dangerous to the archer

@cloudrouju526

5 жыл бұрын

yeah it does indeed, not sure if i would want to have my thumb erect like NU on the thumbnail. i would probably have mine bend.

@twig4661

5 жыл бұрын

as soon as he went full draw... NOPE that is way too dangerous.... get a full size arrow. to cheap to pay dlc.

@leokim1458

5 жыл бұрын

"It looks quite dangerous to the archer" I thought the same thing but I've never heard of any accidents involving this either. I'd say that one must have much confidence in his/her skills to use such amazing and yet simple device.

@gengske

5 жыл бұрын

yes, look, at 2:58. I think the arrowhead is going to pass verry close to the thumb.

@leokim1458

5 жыл бұрын

@@gengske And about 3:15 you can see that there's a korean archer shooting it. If you look closely, he has this thumb protection.

This is one of my favorite videos that you've done. Thanks for the helpful info!

Thank you for introducing me to Korea's national palace. I hope you'll continue to enjoy a good movie

I would love to see you do more about more historical archery techniques or bows.

Apparently, the Byzantine equivalent was called a "solenarion." The Romans and Greeks were both famously uninterested in archery and only slowly adapted using it after getting hammered over and over by horse archers. It seems to be a carry-over from Proto-Indo-European society where combat was supposed to be an epic one-on-one as a test of personal strength etc. So to them, all of archery was "cheating"... lol. (In contrast, the Persians, another Indo-European group, became famously very good at horse archery very early on. With few exceptions, this led to stalemates for over 1000 years. Heavy infantry cannot defeat horse archers in the field, and horse archers cannot take a fort from heavy infantry.)

Ok, two things. 1) the madra/tongah is a hunting tool. 2) the bolts were made to kept after a battle from arrows that landed and are now ruined. Most wood arrows split or break. In the types of wars they were used in were attrition wars, meaning the defenders did not have the capacity to make arrows constantly but had to salvage. Logic would tell us that this obvious hunting technique (short bolt, high rate of speed+power) would be used in such a war. It is economical and not that hard to learn when you already have basic technique for the thumb.

Maximum tool assisted archery - this arrow in Olympic archery How far can we make an arrow go

@error.418

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he mentioned flight archery in this video, where the goal is distance. Unfortunately, this is not an Olympic event.

It's funny because I'd never realized how unknown these were to others! But it's cool you've shown it to others, it's such a fantastic tool. I've seen it used in movie and comics as a "Sniper" tool for archers so just thought people knew about them!

Nu Sensei, I love that you are so knowledgeable about historical archery. It interests me as well. What books/resources would you recommend so that I could learn more?

@NUSensei

5 жыл бұрын

For a free start, check out the Archery Library: www.archerylibrary.com/books/ Many of these books are also in print if you want to buy a hard copy. I would also keep an eye out on "War Bows" by Mike Loades, being published in February this year.

Interesting subject, very well presented. I'm glad I clicked the link. Thank you.

@atune2682

5 жыл бұрын

so true sir

6:00 "That's cheating!" Nah, that's GENIUS! LOL! Amazing video BTW, very informative and entertaining.

this looks terrifying for your thumb!

@elee9056

4 жыл бұрын

SuperSuperdude88 yup. one mistake, there goes your thumb or your hand

@isaacnickel

3 жыл бұрын

They use a protection made out of Horne for thumb shooting

How come a shorter arrow goes farther? With European archery Longbow could go a lot farther because the arrow is more stable through the air than a crossbow bolt. So what gives?

Isn't it dangerous for the arm that holds the grip?

@error.418

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. There are records of people shooting their bow hand. This is a more challenging technique that requires more training.

so wood arrows have archers paradox right. But do these small arrows shoot differently then? It seems they have less to bend and also they can't bend wile in the tong-ah thing. Also you could give one of those with the end fully enclosed like a pipe and fluted out behind the thumb to noobs so they can't shoot themselves.

That movie was such a pleasant surprise.

More important question from someone who hasn't watched the film yet : What COULDN'T BE and WASN'T used in history yet appeard in the movie ? Historical review dude, enlighten us please

Interesting look at actual history and techniques, thanks so much!

It also takes advantage of the archer's paradox. A shorter arrow doesn't bend as much and therefore has a greater amount of force behind it. This imparts a harder punch at short distances and aids accuracy at long range.

what i wonder is with the arrow being essencially a bolt,and not flexing like a normal arrow would,would this improve accuracy any?

@NUSensei

5 жыл бұрын

For some reason, people seem to think that the flexing of the arrow affects accuracy. The arrow oscillates, but the arrow flies straight. The arrow veers off if it the arrow is not well tuned for the bow (too stiff or too soft), but an experienced archer will know how much to compensate by. Wind drift will have a much bigger affect on accuracy than oscillation.

In the historical battlefield most arrows would either penetrate or shatter when it hits armor or other hard surfaces like shields or helmets

Hey, nice video! Forgive me if this question may sound stupid but why the bamboo tube has to be cut in half? Wouldn't it be safer if the whole tube was intact, like a rifle or a pistol? or is there a particular aerodynamic reason for the bamboo to be cut in half? Cheers from Brazil!

Ok, I only know compound bows. Does the long bow or recurve require a minimum weight arrow to avoid damaging the bow? If so, something to consider when picking the arrow.

@MarcassCarcass

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

That creaking is unsettling.

You didn't mention any disadvanatges of using shorter arrows, one thing I noticed of older videos describing this technique is that they don't describe their weaknesses either. Wouldn't a shorter arrow have less penetrating power? Would this be offset enough by its faster speed? Also what about the effects of wind? Speaking of the Turkish and Koreans using this, you should see those older videos there are folks taking turns to see which side Koreans or the Turks are better archers and who came up with this technique first. LOL.

@arkhtyi9456

5 жыл бұрын

Most of what you mentioned are correct. The lighter weight makes it more affected by winds, especially in long distance shooting. The lighter projectile gives a bit more strain to the bow. But the penetrating power isn't too much of a concern as the extra speed makes it in some cases better, according to KE = 1/2 m v ^2

@warvester

5 жыл бұрын

Also, you can't return them should they miss, because the dart is far shorter to attempt to reuse with just a bow, unless you also happen to have a cradle to shoot the dart with, or a crossbow.

@sunghwancha9831

5 жыл бұрын

Short arrow was way more powerful than normal arrow, because it was shorter, shooting range was longer than normal arrow and also, penetration was much more efficient than normal arrow. It is written in Korean historical documents all over However, disadvantage was this type of arrow only can be shot by highly skilled archer, cause if someone with no trained hands it could cause serious injuries to the shooter but since every Koreans were already highly trained archer in ancient times, so that was not the problem at all

@SuzuQQ

5 жыл бұрын

Your conception of ballistics is wrong my friend. Speed is King! Same principle in modern fire arms, speed kills armor. That's why the fn five seven round beats body armor, while the bigger and slower rounds like 45 acp cant.

@jaewonlee8615

5 жыл бұрын

Shorter arrows have so much more penetrating power over long arrows

I'm always interested in archery and always wanted to learn. This is really nice cause I love the movie too.

Isn’t this kinda like a photo crossbow? A crossbow shoots a smaller arrow or bolt that travels along a shaft or cradle to shoot farther and harder than the average bow (varies). It’s just now in a flattened horizontal position without the need for a draw arm.

Really cool video. I liked referring to the use of it as "cheating", just makes me think of all the other military tech advancements we've in the past few hundred years had and how they're designed to deny the enemy usable supplies (among other things). Well done.

The Tong-Ah also essentially turns a bow into a crossbow, if that one South Korean video I watched years ago was any indication. Smaller, lighter, and *faster* than the usual arrow, but no need to reload it like a crossbow.

@brentoni2922

5 жыл бұрын

It in no way turns a bow into a crossbow, the arrow is basically the same size as a crossbow bolt so they have similar aerodynamics but they are being fired by very different pieces of equipment. Because a crossbow holds the draw for its user they can easily take their time to line up their shot meaning that it is a lot easier for unskilled users to fire accurately. Also because the draw is being held by the equipment rather than the archer they are able to use draw weights higher than an archer would normally be able to hold for even a moment, and with the use of stirrups, winches or other such devices they can use draw weights that a traditional archer could not even hope to draw.

@IIDASHII

5 жыл бұрын

@@brentoni2922 The only advantage you describe here is the ability to use a crossbow with less training. Otherwise, the crossbow is incredibly inefficient. The power stroke is so short that the massive draw weights were a necessity just to reach the energies that a normal archer could achieve with a normal war bow. Using a crossbow sized arrow with the longer draw stroke of a war bow would have resulted in a shot with FAR more speed and energy than the average historical crossbow. In short, this would be much more effective than all but the most powerful and difficult to use crossbows (and perhaps even them) in terms of terminal effect.

@IIDASHII

5 жыл бұрын

This would be better than a crossbow. See my comment to brentoni.

@WhiteDragonSecurity

5 жыл бұрын

@@IIDASHII Correct in every way. The crossbowmen were called, and still are amongst hunters, "the lazy archer". They don't need the skill, speed, strength, practice, or patience of a normal archer. This is actually why they were so valuable to war. The crossbowman was easier and faster to train. Bolts could also be heavier and use less material. For a while, before firearms, a good bowman essentially became the equivalent of a sniper.

@SmilingGator96

5 жыл бұрын

@@WhiteDragonSecurity I've never heard a hunter call someone using a crossbow a "lazy archer."

Also you can make twice the amount of ammunition with the similar amount of resources good in a “war” situation when resources are limited

Thank you for giving me a little knowledge golden nugget for my day

Sensei it was quite good video. And thanks for all support your video have to all of us who started out archery. Would you make a video about how to exercise to get a better control of current bow and for making yourself ready for higher draw weight?

@NUSensei

5 жыл бұрын

Search for "SPT" or "Specific Physical Training"

That's really cool. I'm very curious now at what the speed output really is on these arrows. Since they are lighter too, I suspect their penetration power isn't as strong though.

Very good and thank you. Respect to the masters of this form of archery.

Would you have to use an arrow with only two fletching? If not, how do you keep one of the fletchings from draggingalong the tong-ah and messing up alignment?

@MarcassCarcass

Жыл бұрын

I may just be talking out my ar-se here, but um, real feathers are used, not rigid vanes. The feathers are also typically small to reduce drag on loooong flights, increasing range while decreasing visual detectability likely being the main function here. The arrows would also likely have very heavy tips, maintaining the minimum GPP to prevent damage to the bow. This is a dangerous device, you can end up with an arrow in your bow hand.

1 of the trick is, short Arrow is hard to opponent know the direction of the shooting. Rather with long arrow, opponent know where its come from and easy to detect.

How dangerous is shooting like this? I'm skeptical about the arrow head being behind your hand and I feel like there's some danger there

Interesting and pleasant storytelling. There may be an advantage that is overlooked. Crossbows and modern compound bows do not suffer from some archer's or arrow's paradox. Long arrows on a classical/recurve bow are fired in a way that forces them around the middle of the bow and consequently make a left-right zig-zag or wiggle trajectory. Could the Tong-Ah prevent this, making precise shooting easier? A short thick arrow is not really more aerodynamic, I'd think, but its weight has lots of kinetic energy. Anyhow it seem simple and very clever. I wonder if it predates the crossbow invention.

In essence it's a crossbow without the triggering mechanism. Two additional advantage for a short arrow is that it takes less material to make therefore much more cost effective, and a soldier can carry more ammo therefore more effective.

very interesting, as a prepper/survivalist i feel this could be ultimately useful.

Not to be "that guy" but technically this would be LESS aerodynamic, being a shorter cylinder. It is well-known amongst crossbow shooters, for example, that their bolts will not fly as far as an arrow, even with the same initial velocity and weight. I suspect this short arrow is longer range because it is significantly lighter, and therefore has a much higher initial velocity. One problem with making a very powerful bow is that the arrows have to be thicker to withstand the forces of being shot... this solves that problem.

hi Nu Sensei... yes very interesting video. But something came to my mind... a shorter arrow will be much lighter, and wouldn't that maybe end up damaging the bow? in case it is under the recommended GPP from bow manufacture. Have any thought about that. thanks a lot!

i really love informational videos like this. much better than watching some skinny girl in a sports bra make stuff up while shooting in the woods.

Question 1. Why do people place the Tong-ah and arrow on the right side of the bow? For a normal recurve you expect a similar form placing the arrow on the left. 2. Isn't a heavier arrow better at reserving kinetic energy? With the same pull, a heavier arrow would have a lower initial speed, which makes air friction lower. 3. You mentioned a lot of countries use this in history. However we don't see this sort of arrow guide as a standard equipment in many armies. What is the reason? By the way, are there any disadvantages using a Tong-ah?

@NUSensei

5 жыл бұрын

The tong-ah and similar tools are used exclusively by people who shot using the thumb draw, which places the arrow on the right side of the bow (for a right-handed shooter). The "normal" method which is more familiar to Western archery is based on the Mediterranean draw, with the string pulled by the index, middle and ring fingers which necessitates the arrow being placed on the left. Heavy arrows would, according to physics, preserve kinetic energy better. However, the greater mass means it requires more weight to propel, and the lower initial velocity greatly hampers its effective range. Historically, heavier armour-piercing arrows were only used at extremely close distance. Lighter arrows were used for shooting distant volleys. As for why this was not widespread throughout "most" armies, it was because the style of warfare used in each region differed and may not have necessitated the tool. That it was known and used in Korea, China, the Turkish peoples and the Byzantines is impressively widespread. However, it was a specialised too used for a specific purpose, and for other nations the "normal" method of shooting may be sufficient for the purposes they were deployed for. Such a tool would not be so important in an English army, which focused on massed arrow barrages, or the Mongols, who relied on quick hit-and-run cavalry tactics at short distance.

Thank you! That movie got me to try thumb draw! I was indeed wondering what the point of the short arrow was, thank you for explaining it!

HI!! Thank you for the explanations! That movie is one of my favorite! I am interested in start doing Gungsul. Do you have any suggestion for a place to buy a good synthetic version of Gak-gung? (not too expensive, but that have a similar look). I would love to have a Gakgung, but I would destroy it,,, so I want to start with a synthetic one... Can you suggest? Thank you!!

@NUSensei

3 жыл бұрын

Freddie Archery is a good place to shop. The Kaya bows are made from fibreglass and are very hardy, even for experienced shooters.

@luislage2558

3 жыл бұрын

@@NUSensei Thank you very much for the suggestion!

"Thank you for your short arrow supply! just what I'm looking for! how considerate! " says the crossbow user down range, caressing this intricate hard glossy short thingy in hand, he felt warmhearted and in love, almost reluctant to shoot it back.

Nice video, I am attempting to get back into archery and I found this channel. I look forward to seeing more :)

really interesting. Can you recommend a book that is an overview of historic world ( or just eastern) archery. There is so much to learn about

@lopaka34

5 жыл бұрын

Ha! I just asked the same thing!

We say this techniac (navak) in persian archery we utilized that about 2000years ago by parthian and sassanid warriors.

I've seen these before, and I actually heard about an account where an archer(I forget their region of origin) actually used a MacGuyvered device similar to a Tong-ah to return an enemy's _crossbow quarrels_ and catch them completely off-guard.

Doesn't deal with the video but i cant remember the name of the weight/damper that is mounted on the riser just under the upper limb. Any help would be awesome. Thanks nusensei.

Are there side effects to the changes of spine weight of the shorter arrows?

Very interesting. But this raises a question for me (one that I hadn't thought of when watching War of the Arrows: What about GPP? Shooting an arrow that is too light for a bow can be the equivalent of dry firing. How does the shorter arrow and the Tong-ah over come this?

@NUSensei

2 жыл бұрын

The mass of the tong-ah itself reduces the acceleration of the string, thus reducing the amount of force transferred to the bow. You're "shooting" the tong-ah along with the arrow, but the tong-ah is retained.

@mikelynch2353

2 жыл бұрын

@@NUSensei Thank you. 👍

lol "arrow for ants" .. nice!

@lawlerzwtf

5 жыл бұрын

Meme Sensei

@silence6408

5 жыл бұрын

I have seen ants use little bows and swords before. On mushrooms.

@BoopSnoot

5 жыл бұрын

Almost small enough to pass through the gaps in his teeth.

@rb26gtr98

5 жыл бұрын

Crossbow bolts trump arrows any day!

@392redienhcs

4 жыл бұрын

Zoolander reference ofc

Isn't this dangerous for the bow? The weight of the arrow would make it close to a dry fire, no?

Loved that movie, thank you for the great vid!

Very nice technique! But beware of your left thumb while releasing the arrow!

I've always wondered how close to dry firing this really is with a significantly lighter arrow.

@NukeClock

5 жыл бұрын

Firstly this and secondly what about the arrow not bending around the bow ? Id imagine targeting would require a heavy offset.

@abdullahyusof4739

5 жыл бұрын

NukeClock Wouldn't Khatra mitigate the severity of the effect of the latter though?

@customhaines2510

5 жыл бұрын

I would think it would be much like a crossbow. The short arrow has a higher dynamic spine, so far less flexibility. But it also has a guide like the ramp or channel of the crossbow. I don't know that, I'm just taking a swag at it.

@carlc.4714

5 жыл бұрын

And what about momentum with this lighter arrow? Would it still be possible to pierce through armor of that period, which such an arrow compared to a slower but heavier traditional one?

@customhaines2510

5 жыл бұрын

I would argue that it isn't necessarily lighter, though it might be. Further, lighter also means faster. As E=Mc2, when you increase speed you increase impact. So yes, I think it would be nearly as effective as a full sized arrow.

But I do recall the protagonist in the movie, using the tong ah for hunting a deer... Why would he use the tong ah there? Other than to make the movie look good?

Probably your best video...more like this.

Fascinating! Another trick up my sleeve, literally!

Looks like you could attach a front sight to the front of the tube

The fun fact is, penetration power is significantly related to weight of the arrows. So this short arrow couldn't barely penetrate any armors. Anyway, I think this kind of arrow have advantage against foot soldiers who doesn't wear heavy armors and for sports.

Sooo cool ! :)) nice video !

Thanks! Neat hack against long bows! Is the edge of the bamboo going to cut your bow-hand?

Very dangerous arrow if you are not an expert. Many Korean history book indicated that the arrow would pierce your opposite thumb if you are not expert on using the arrow🤔

解説ありがとうございます！不思議に思ってましたが、理解出来ました！

Where can I buy one of this korean bows with this tong-ah? I have a target-station in the garden behind the house.

You mentioned your friend shoots Korean style. Do you have a video explaining the different styles of shooting?

I'm wondering how many people have impaled their thumb as the pointy end of the arrow passes the bow.

One advantage I can think of for a lighter/faster arrow would be less lead for moving targets?

since the arrow is now effectively being shot down a barrel, does that mean the spine is not as important?

Hi I need help my hand use to shake a lot during the bow drawing how to fix it? 🙏

@lordingus

5 жыл бұрын

if you can't fire 40 consecutive arrows accurately, you need lighter (lower poundage) limbs. if your hands are shaking from drawing a bow, you need MUCH lighter poundage limbs.

@ericthehalfabee7980

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Alpha. I have just started and have been having the same problem since shoulder reconstructive surgery (fractured scapula; still fractured) left me very weak. I got a set of PTP rubber exercise bungys, from Rebel Sports, and practice daily with them, doing a standard draw action, with them doubled, giving a 50lb draw weight approx. I do it till my eyes water! (about 5x only at the moment!) to strengthen my back muscles. I have also started off with a very nice beginner's 25lb bow by Ragim, from Italy, which is just about as much as I can stand without shaking,and hope to move up in draw weight later this year as I get fitter and I start to find 25lb too easy. I think Nu has said on one of his videos that you really need to be pulling 35lb + for really effective out of doors long range shooting at 60m plus. (Or it might have been someone else) Cheers (Eric_the_bee)/2

@teabaggervance8

5 жыл бұрын

Quit drinking

What about the short arrow flexing less, and therefore being a bit more accurate/transferring more of its momentum into the target upon impact?

I heard these existed, but this is the first time I’ve seen one. Have you ever shot this yourself? Does it increase string wear?

great video, very thorough and informative

War of the arrows is an awesome movie. In the movie he used it like a sniper. Like sharp shooting... Not so much distance but accuracy. Is that part true?

@NUSensei

5 жыл бұрын

My understanding of the scene is that he wasn't trying to snipe with a shorter arrow. Rather, in the scene preceding it, he is able to grab and bunch of arrows, including a broken shaft. He makes the tong-ah in order to use the broken arrow, which was mentioned in the Ambush scene when he shoots it.