"if you're better, you deserve to win" the skill leaving my body when i pick legion:

@manman-oy2mc

Жыл бұрын

Yeah dude, it's about the mental game! Just pick Skull Merchant & the Survivors will faulted to the DC Meta

@deadhelix

Жыл бұрын

@@manman-oy2mc Idk if you’re not a native english speak or it was just 2 typos but I assume you meant “about” instead of “able” and “default” instead of “faulted”. Not tryna be annoying about it just genuinely tryna help also clarify for anyone else reading your comment. if this came off as annoying im sorry and have a wonderful day!

@manman-oy2mc

Жыл бұрын

@@deadhelix The _"able"_ one was a typo, _(fixed it right before you got your comment in _*_:pensive:)_* but the _"faulted"_ one was intentional as The Survivors faulter to Skull Merchant's DC Meta. That make more sense? _I feel like explaining the """joke""" like this will only take away the Who-Ha factor though..._

@thegiantegg9672

Жыл бұрын

@@manman-oy2mc It's spelled Falter, i think that's why the other guy was confused

@zerodopamine678

Жыл бұрын

Me also killing myself on hook when you pick legion.

Bhvr: *sees billy move at 20mph* “hmm gotta do something about that” Also Bhvr: *blight running at 200 mph and chain downing a team in 15 seconds* “We haven’t made a cosmetic for blight in awhile have we?”

@ericblackwell70

Жыл бұрын

Good

@Doncroft1

Жыл бұрын

Is Blight actually faster than Billy?

@antoniosamaelspeziaanaya2500

Жыл бұрын

This is definitibly how BHVR takes decisions around blight.

@connork9745

Жыл бұрын

​@@Doncroft1 blight instantly sprints on press and he feels faster at least

@InfiniteVoid117

Жыл бұрын

@@Doncroft1 They both move at 9.2 m/s basekit. However, Blight is faster with double speed add-ons.

Blight isn't Matrix dodging all the nerfs. He's just using his addons to outrun them.

@zarathos888

Жыл бұрын

He did get a change with compound a while ago on release. But its obvious from the number of skins and his general popularity hes bhvr golden cow. I wouldnt be suprised if blights skins is highly bought.

@fatwe1992

Жыл бұрын

​@@zarathos888hell i bought a set and i barely play the damn guy anymore

Hahahaha! Of course the community wouldn't let you get away with that one Scott! What, did you think we were a reasonable bunch?

@rabbidguarddog

Жыл бұрын

Dbd reasonable? Why I NEVER! Madge

@oscar3153

Жыл бұрын

Who tf is “we”?

@Chlorinekekw

Жыл бұрын

@@oscar3153 The dbd community, sir

@ProbablyEzra

Жыл бұрын

to be slightly fair to the randos on twitter, he really did not make a good argument in the post/replies shown in the vid. 'oh all these people misunderstood my point on twitter, instead of apologizing for being(obviously) unclear I'm gonna just act like it was clearly what I meant' like how could people not misinterpret you saying '1000 streak shouldn't be possible, the next highest is only 125'(not sure if what he posted was the second highest, but it's implied either way that 125 is high) as practically an accusation of cheating? The previous video is slightly better in not just looking like an accusation but it could still be interpreted that way as well

@l4dfanatic11

Жыл бұрын

@@ProbablyEzra i took it as "the balance is so fucked that it allows 1k win streaks which shouldn't be possible and should be fixed"

"That lion sure was better than me at chasing" - me, being torn apart by a lion because it's much faster and stronger than me.

@radiocorrective

Жыл бұрын

bahahhahahaha

@arkirron7172

Жыл бұрын

*Crying out for nerfs while having your intestines pulled out of your body

My initial reaction to this was "I don't care. I just really don't care." But the more I thought about it the more my opion changed to "I don't care. I just really don't care. But yeah they should probably nerf Blight and Nurse."

@zarathos888

Жыл бұрын

In fairness nurse does actually get nerfs. Blight on the other hand.... Honestly i just want the survivor role to be more then pallet loop run. Mess with some in game blessings and curses. Maybe a comeback mechanic or two. I'd hate to see blight and nurse suffer because everything in dbd needs to be mediocre.

@SunderMun

Жыл бұрын

@@zarathos888 Tbf she gets slaps on the wrist. But hey it took them like 6 years to finally make her blink hits not count as a basic attack so the absolute worst nurses (aka the majority one goes against) couldn't crutch on noed.

@zarathos888

Жыл бұрын

@@SunderMun Actually she got a pretty long list of changes. Distance nerfs, cooldown number changes extra blinks there was a lot that was removed if you look at the patch notes. Even if we all agree exposed is nasty on nurse from a build variety perespective and build options its does suck to lose access to a third of the perks in the game since she cannot utilise any basic attack perks. At the end of the day you can focus so much on balanace that you can easily forget that fun is a factor. Nurse got some cool ideas for addons but they all end up going nowhere because what they were doing was too weak to be useful. Blink back to the start, movement increase at the cost of not blinking there are cool concepts but just dont work because they dont go far enough to make them actually good.

@Rickard4199

Жыл бұрын

@@zarathos888 Not enough, not even close, still the most OP killer in the game that follows no logic at all. Nurse basic power should be "Spasmodic Breath" Hitting a Survivor with a Blink Attack causes the following effects for 60 seconds: Increases the Movement speed of The Nurse to 4.6 m/s. After 60 seconds she should be able to blink again. Still 1 EASY first hit, then she has to work for it, like most of the other killers.

@zarathos888

Жыл бұрын

@@Rickard4199 Are you insane the genies is out of the bottle you want to take the core appeal of the nurse and limit her to being an m1 killer. This is some lazy ass perspective. How many time do i need to remind you people no one wants to play generic m1 killer. At least throw a scratched mirror or box. Much like i said when they ripped the quickscope out of slinger you not gonna promote the killers appeal your just killing a group of players interest in the game. Who either leave or just play blight. Im sure for your personal fun seeing less nurses would be ideal but unlike most people i believe in actualy putting effort into exploring alternative exciting options. Nurse could move through dropped pallets inflict damage on survivors who she blink through. There so much ground to explore but its like every dbd player just wants the same boring crap all the time. Because there more scared of how busted its going to be then actually wowing and exciting people who "ARE PLAYING A FKING VIDEO GAME". Fk balance no one cares about that shit people want to have fun! Effort has to go in to enciurage exploring and playing nurse ypur idea is half assed and lazy.

We here at BHVR hear you loud and clear Scott, and we will be making drastic changes in the upcoming anniversary. This June - Meet Your Maker x Dead By Daylight ! We are adding Evan Macmillan as a charm your character can equip when traversing your friends created maps on MYM! See you in the fog!

@adrevenue1496

Жыл бұрын

We also saw that Pig was over performing, in order to compensate we removed her lunge.

@shadowdeath3050

Жыл бұрын

You forgot to nerf Pig in this patch

@pintolerance785

11 ай бұрын

We decided to set her number of traps to 1

@km077

8 ай бұрын

can't proceed: a new Feng Min cosmetic required

I still think buddys idea of fixing dbd in yesterdays video was better tbh

@marneymunchausen6437

Жыл бұрын

Buddy should be a fog whisperer.

I think we all know why the devs haven't addressed it: Blight has about 10 really great addons, so Blight Players use a variety of add-ons. Meanwhile Billy has like 2 good addons so all Billy's run those addons, so they're like "Yeah, lets nerf that so less people use it." Same thing with Self-Care. And then you have some really bad Blights who probably use the strongest addons who don't get great use out of them, so the stats probably are mixed on how well they perform in terms of kills.

@Doncroft1

Жыл бұрын

He has 6 good addons. The rest are pretty bad.

@noatak6852

Жыл бұрын

Not just the add ons, the whole ‘hugtech’ is a major issue.

@tokyo_swf8290

Жыл бұрын

@Noatak Hug tech isn't overpowered compared to bump logic and v-tech the hug tech is very situational compared to the prior

@Name-ql7jf

Жыл бұрын

@@noatak6852 the guy who got the 1000 wins is known for not hug teching much. Also, he did 99% of the streak during the gen kick meta that blight took advantage of better than any other killer.

@he-who-goobs1905

10 ай бұрын

@@Doncroft1 literally all of his addons, other than like 1 or 2 of his purples and the meme add-on, vary between good to busted as hell

Man, seeing stuff like this makes me realize just how much my daily stress levels have improved since I uninstalled this game six years ago.

@AugustDrake

Жыл бұрын

I picked the game back up and my stress levels are skyrocketing. I gotta get away from this.

@SunderMun

Жыл бұрын

I dropped it about a year ago, came back for a few games post wesker, played one game of him and found him boringly easy to dominate with while survivor just felt boring so I haven't played since. Kinda sad, really. Had 2k hours in the game.

Can we discuss 999 winstreaks next? 🤔

@galactichasyoutube775

Жыл бұрын

I think those ones are okay, but not the 1,000 😊

@fluffymonster396

Жыл бұрын

Can we discuss the 69 win streak after that?

@JoeVev

Жыл бұрын

I’m more interested in 998 winstreaks

@tanez778

Жыл бұрын

I liked that Scott used the 500 Winstreak on the survivor side as if it was ok and should be possible. Where's the limit ? I don't know, but by a logic of a good matchmaking and so a 50% winrate, if you play 10 games, you have 0.097% chances of achieving a 10 games winstreak. It could happen, but rarely. A 100 games winstreak would be 7.8886090522101E-29% of chances. 🙃🙃

@Oblivioust

Жыл бұрын

damn you just gave scott 999 more video ideas

Trapper: Has a purple addon that is literally a bag with his power. Can't take his power after putting it in Blight: On your first dash, you get speed bonus. On the last dash gives you an Ak-47

saw this title on my homepage and it actually made me laugh out loud. i am glad you are a part of this community, you always have such refreshing/realistic/reasonable takes and i love it.

@thevigilmain6628

Жыл бұрын

Everything but fresh though. He’s cynical af

Scott brings up something that I find interesting. You can't compare a killers skill to a survivors skill because they are different skill sets. That said, how do you create a matchmaking system with this in mind? I guess I can understand why it's so cut and dry as kill/survive for them. If we had a good match making system, what would that look like? What metrics would it use? How would it measure skill?

@ScottJund

Жыл бұрын

that's the neat part mark

@wilson713

Жыл бұрын

I don't think you necessarily need to draw a direct comparison between killer and survivor in the case of matchmaking. Win rate relative to the average player is simplistic, but it can work. You win lots of games until you face players at your skill level, and then you win fewer games. What kills the system is when BHVR puts their foot down and refuses to make anyone wait in a queue. They put in a soft cap and tune the system to essentially give up after 5 seconds. That leads to these win streaks. Obviously a bit less cut and dry for solo survivor players because you are very much at the mercy of your teammates and no amount of skill can win a lot of those games. But that goes back to BHVR refusing to use the very system they put in place because they fear queue times.

Жыл бұрын

I think the broader truth is that 'skill', like intelligence, isn't a real measurable thing on its own, and you can only measure someones relative skill in a situation *under all the conditions of that situation*, as in what surv/killer they are + what perks everyone in the match has + how awake they are at that moment + the map they are on + etc. If you built the perfect matchmaker to account for every condition in the universe, then every match would end up as whatever the devs arbitrarily consider a tie, which isn't very interesting. In my opinion, the best possible matchmaker should recognize this, and instead of only caring about peoples mmr, it should instead consider other factors like maps someone is known to be better/worse at, and use these relative differences across people to organize matches where high-mmr (relative to that current match) players are put on maps they're worse at and low-mmr players are put on a map they're better at (for that specific match being generated). This could also include things like the killer your facing, although that can't be adjusted once people are matched, like the server choosing a map would be. tldr; Ultimately, there wouldn't be one mmr number a person anymore, and youd have separate skill ratings for each possible thing (map/killer/people youre queued with/time of day even?) you're against, that the matchmaker considers all together in a hopefully not too complicated formula.

Жыл бұрын

A potential flaw would be if someone was approaching the best at every scenario in the game at all times, because they would be mostly placed on their worst map against the things they're weakest at. This isn't an actual issue for balance but could result in the person facing the same thing repeatedly which isn't interesting, even if the game 'testing someone at max mmr against their weaknesses' is a cool concept to me. However I feel that this could be accounted for by allowing a bit of leeway in the system, like any matchmaking system has, and maybe even having a person's mmr change less accordingly if they win/lose against something they are known to be good/bad against (under all the conditions the system is tracking). Obviously what I'm saying would take a huge amount of effort to design and code and perfect but I'd love to see it realized in some game some day.

@JmdMagic

Жыл бұрын

@@ScottJund "Think, Mark! What will you have when ALL the killers are nerfed!?" "You, Pig...I'd still have you..."

This is like when the sub left the teacher a bad note :(

I could listen to Scott talk about anything and be entertained, he is amazing a articulating his ideas.

I think a winstreak like that is only possible in an imbalanced asymmetrical game. If you're better than everyone else in street fighter good players are still going to take matches off you some of the time, same for any other good 1v1 game I can think of.

@AdamCasey8328

Жыл бұрын

Killer camped and tunneled first survivor out almost every game to make it a 1v3 as soon as possible. Effectively the guy could only win if he made the game unbalanced. Why do you think any comp tournament from whenever generally had certain perks, addons, and camping/tunneling banned?

@servebotfrank4082

Жыл бұрын

Hell if you are able to go on 1000 win streaks in Street Fighter, sign up for fucking Evo because you are a god gamer. Not even the best players in the world can avoid losing to some random dude every now and then.

@NinjapowerMS

Жыл бұрын

@@servebotfrank4082 I mean the skill ceiling in both of these games aren't even compatible. For starters survivors isn't doing a 1 v 1 against the killer lol although a lot of survivors seem to think that's the case. The random dudes in Street fighter is the best of the best at least if you're competing at the highest MMR who usually try to get into the big stage at some point, It's also an extremely dedicated player base on a decades old franchise.

@demifolk8940

Жыл бұрын

No… thats not how it works if its asymmetrical then it should be near impossible to do anything close to this. If we’re comparing other competitive games then people shouldn’t be able to do this one mobas and games like csgo and valorant. Which they cant i follow a lot of competitive games and no has ever went on “win” streaks like they do in DBD. It should be statistically impossible in a game like DBD with so many random variables and stupid RNG. But people can still do it. You can think this is good but it should be fair. If anyone can come back from anything then it should be fair against a blight just as much as a trapper. I’m not saying it should strive for “balance” as thats impossible but a character getting ONE THOUSAND WINS shouldn’t be possible. It just shouldn’t. Thats an obvious issue. I don’t understand how people dont see that it is. That legit shouldnt be statistically impossible no matter how good you play.

@thedutywarlord264

Жыл бұрын

​@@AdamCasey8328 camping and tunneling is allowed in comp 🤣 . Stop lying

The ultimate counter to Nurse and Blight is the ‘Leave Match’ button.

I dont even care about dbd I just like to listen to Scott

@meterothecrow6270

Жыл бұрын

Are you implying that dbd players like dbd?

@anikapt8728

Жыл бұрын

@@meterothecrow6270 🤣

@christianl3314

Жыл бұрын

@@meterothecrow6270 we like dbd being different. For about a week then the game sucks ass again.

@ethanpeeples6187

Жыл бұрын

I like the game. But I just started so the formula is brand new to me.

@ethanpeeples6187

Жыл бұрын

Came from a highly addicted league career

Another great discussion video from my favorite Xvideos star, Scott "Long Balls" Jund

@MasterMike_

Жыл бұрын

Bro.....same

@XenoVT

Жыл бұрын

Your favorite what?!?! 😂

There was a notable 500 escape streak as survivor in the past, they never died they just got bored and stopped playing so their streak is technically still ongoing. The thing about survivors being strong is unlike killer playing survivor as strong as possible game after game with as little risk as possible gets so boring fast which is why it's so much less common to see any kind of high escape streak

@pabz3389

Жыл бұрын

When was this record set? was it when keys and hatch were still a major problem? If so it's hardly surprising as it made escape streaks trivial.

@AverageAlcoholic

Жыл бұрын

@@pabz3389 I believe there strat was 3 medkits with old insta heals and one key, this might’ve been back with 60 second gens so easy pickings

@Absolutemooreon

Жыл бұрын

@@pabz3389 I did a lil research and while there have been unverified 500 escape streaks there was a legit verified 383 streak done by wimatv back in 2020 and it only ended due to a streamsniper. Iirc the only condition was they had to escape out the exit gate but I might be thinking of a different streak

@pabz3389

Жыл бұрын

@@Absolutemooreon Wilma definitely used hatch during the 383 escape streak.

As other people have pointed out, the reason why Blight's addons haven't been nerfed yet is most likely because of stats. Frequently the devs have said they nerf addons due to high usage rates, which has led to things getting nerfed that weren't powerful to begin with, but were simply the best options for a particular killer. Blight has so many good addons, and because of that the stats may be closer in terms of usage rates, thus making the devs think they shouldn't change any of them.

@spaceblockb5284

Жыл бұрын

Also his addons have taboo that make some players not use them. I love playing blight, but i never run compound 33 and alchemy ring.

@tokyo_swf8290

Жыл бұрын

@@spaceblockb5284 compound 33 isn't that good compared to adrenal vile

@spinnyboi9951

Жыл бұрын

different people have different preferences as well, i personally tend to run adrenaline vial with either c33 or the aura read one(i always play blight with lethal+bbq)

He's right, this kind of thing should not be possible at all, and how someone was able to do this without getting bored is beyond me. If I was constantly winning games as killer, I would be so bored because at that point I'm an unstoppable killing machine who just would feel lifeless at the end of the day.

@DeityPsymon

Жыл бұрын

Shitting on survivors will never get boring.

@xSinfulGodx

Жыл бұрын

That really dont make sense. Your basically saying if anybody is good and demolishing people in any game will get bored when its really the other way around. If they are losing or upset about something they'll get bored.

@blazeyprime4470

Жыл бұрын

​@@xSinfulGodx Imagine how these people live in reality 😳

@detectivejonathan

Жыл бұрын

@@xSinfulGodx I’m sorry but continuously winning imo doesn’t sound fun if there’s no one to challenge me. If I’m hypothetically speaking a serial killer from a movie or something and I’m looking for that one challenge but never find it then what am I? Just a robot.

@xSinfulGodx

Жыл бұрын

@@detectivejonathan well we are talking about a game. Idk where you going with the movie thing but nowadays people don't play that way and I'm pretty sure he had some matches that came really close. He did state he had to restart it 7x because he lost. He had his challenges in the past and now he is a beast with blight. In my opinion if somebody becomes bored with something it means they don't like something about it. Him doing this streak his way of having fun. Everybody have fun in there own way.

it's important to note in reference to your tweet: magnus carlsen's longest winstreak isn't 125, that's his longest *lossless* streak. he still drew games. the longest *win* streak in chess is maybe 20 games from bobby fischer.

the fact that this is even a discussion is one of the many reasons i quit lmao

“If you’re better than your opponents, you deserve to win every match” If I said this in most other games I’d get sent to a Therapist

@gaberyan6283

Жыл бұрын

If I am a grand master at tekken 7 and your literally a fresh rookie and we play and I win 100/100 matches played, is the game imbalanced? No, you just suck ass and I am very fucking good, sure my character might be better then your or yours might be better then mine, but if I have the ability to make better reads, react faster, predict your movements, bait you into doing certain things and have infinitely deeper game knowledge then you, then yes, you should lose 100% of the time. THATS HOW FUCKING COMPETITION WORKS. The problem isnt that certain characters are stonger then others, the problem is the matchmaking is fucking non-existant.

Like Scott is saying the power difference between the best and even average to bad killers is insane

knightlight currently has a like, 250+ winstreak on perkless addonless nurse. it's kind of insane.

@tokyo_swf8290

Жыл бұрын

Ye pub smashing for the top comp players is nothing

@bipolarexpress9827

Жыл бұрын

Yeah nurse is kinda insane I agree

I miss when Fungoose had a 200+ win streak with Plague before he quit. One of the only people to get into the triple digits with a non high mobility killer at the time, or even now really.

@XenoVT

Жыл бұрын

200+ is too much according to the logic some people have about this topic lol

@yuppersmeer6080

Жыл бұрын

Plague is still one of the stronger killers though, but I get what you're saying

@Angel_Flash

Жыл бұрын

OnePumpWillie gets 100+ winstreaks on Onryo and Skull Merchant regularly. Spirit too but he uses MDR on her so she may as well be a mobility killer.

@ninja-gm4hd

Жыл бұрын

​@@Angel_Flash the thing about him is that anyone can do what he does he just slaps on the strongest shit and plays in the most effective way possible but he's the only one who takes joy in playing like that cause it's very boring to do that repeatedly

@Angel_Flash

Жыл бұрын

@@ninja-gm4hd Skull Merchant probably. All you do is defend gens. Pretty simple. But Onryo trying to keep track of every single survivor's condemn all at the same time is incredibly taxing. You have to be super focused. I never understood what people found so boring about condemn Onryo. You're constantly on edge when playing that way.

We live in a world where nemesis add- ons get nerfed but blight remains untouched

its as easy as just saying "if it was a survivor or swf team going 1000 wins, would it still be okay?" and then watching the killer biased players' brains explode

@dumblenutz5561

Жыл бұрын

Remember when Noob3 was doing escape streak streams and someone was finna hire a fucking killer hitman to stop his streak? Lmao.

@ass640

Жыл бұрын

@@peterjonesly Yeh and they always use that excuse to play boring and hardcore camp/tunnel. They say its because of bully squads. I'd understand if it was just little kids who were acting like that, but its 90% of the time fully grown adults.

@tanderson1480

Жыл бұрын

@@peterjonesly my guy so many survivors what the killer to have fun ? When the teams do bring multiple toolboxes the best perks and Insta heals ?

@tanderson1480

Жыл бұрын

@@peterjonesly guarantee I’m better than you chief 🥱 I get insane high level survivors a lot of my games .

@tanderson1480

Жыл бұрын

@@peterjonesly all I said was it’s not fun for the killer against squads either no need to get angry 😂

You just made me come to the decision that Nurse should not be able to blink through walls

@drewhoffmaster2969

Жыл бұрын

Honestly? Might actually make nurse balanceable.

@TamagoDorobo

Жыл бұрын

@@drewhoffmaster2969 I believe it would make her far more balanced, while still keeping her power intact. Give her more counterplay by cutting off LoS and MAYBE even reduced second blink distance but I'm not 100% on that one.

@Mystibump

Жыл бұрын

that just makes her wesker

@TamagoDorobo

Жыл бұрын

@@Mystibump I disagree. She doesn't throw you, and she would still be able to use her ability for movement. I believe she would still be very good, she would just have to play the game a bit more.

@jer6579

Жыл бұрын

she'd be a weirdly restrained movement killer and she'd lose a bit of her map pressure so maybe it'd work. Feel like any buildings and indoor maps would completely fuck her if she didn't get a movement speed increase and even then her power would be dogshit on indoor maps. Edit:Plus you'd have to adjust to all of the dogshit instances of you being like 3 feet away from something and it still stopping you anyway like billy has dealt with since launch

I don’t know how much context this could give to the 1,000 streak, but I have gone against this Blight twice and, from that experience, I believe top reasons as to why he can pull this off is the following: 1) He is playing one of the top Killers in the game. 2) He will usually tunnel one Survivor out of the game. 3) He will take advantage of a noticeable 3 gens from the start. 4) He is very skilled at playing Blight. Now, my experience playing against him wasn’t particularly fun, but he has every right to play as he wants to.

@larsliamvilhelm

Жыл бұрын

You missed one: He uses double speed addons, which makes Blight significantly easier to end chases very quickly with.

@SirBlasian411

Жыл бұрын

@@larsliamvilhelm True.

There can't really be a skill gap/issue when there are decisions killers can make to drastically alter the chances of winning like tunneling or 3 gens survivors have tools to HELP against that but not to counter that, they can't make a decision to just simply break a 3 gen if the killer holds it from the beginning or to simply not let someone/themselves get tunneled if the killers decides to

im disappointed that this isnt a 7 minute video of your cat

Let’s talk about how long this guy would have to play to get 1,000 wins. Assuming he did this first try and didn’t lose the streak ever he would have played for around 1666 hours, in games, if each game lasted about ten minutes. That’s not counting queue times. This took some serious dedication

@tokenghost4536

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if he just took breaks from Blight, played other things to get addons and map offering etc. then switched to Blight in his best case scenarios.

@Oogwayne

Жыл бұрын

​​@@tokenghost4536 He didn't use map offerings once and he's p 100. It's not like he just started playing blight and is struggling for add ons. It's shocking seeing all these claims made yet nobody wants to look at his games for themselves cause it's "boring"

@James_Philip915

Жыл бұрын

He lost once at 600 something 💀

@axopika

Жыл бұрын

he didn't do it first try it took him a year

@f3rnandoSz

Жыл бұрын

He lost it like 6 times, one of them at 632. He be doing this for a year+, the 1000 one took 5 months. His games usually went pretty quicky cause his strat was tunnel the first survivor out. Its a mix of dominating blight, the game itself (comp player) and bringing (almost) the strongest shit. Even with all that there was a lot of tense games lol, it was fun to watch.

Twins and sadako players have also reached insane win streaks, 800+ with twins.

@XenoVT

Жыл бұрын

Dayum, how? Well with Sadako I guess if you go the condemned route with lots of slugging I can see it.

@misery1500

Жыл бұрын

@Xenotv Even with that strat, Sadako is rough to get that kinda win streak on. I do not envy playing Twins for that long, but at least Twins is strong

seeing the title of this video(without watching it), after having seen and watched your last uploaded video, is probably the most funny youtube sequence i've ever seen

5:05 I think one reason behind that is that if you wanna do survivor streaks that go for that long you have to bring the strongest survivor stuff (like killers do) and the strongest survivor stuff in this case is SWF. And a streak of 1000 wins with lets say 15 minutes per game would go on for around 250 hours which are much easier to organize as a killer since you can just play whenever you want unlike with an SWF. I think in theory it would be possible to get survivor streaks which go that high, in fact didn't Otz once did a video (dbd madlads) where a team got on a 400+ winstreak and are still unbeaten to this day, they just quitted the challenge because it became so boring? So I think it's possible for survivors to attend such a winstreak, its just more likely for killers to reach it but not solely due to the power level but also organization time that goes into that.

the way dbd twitter is able to twist a simple line of thought is impressive

Instead of gutting blight and his addons in typical BHVR fashion, in my opinion this streak should be used as a reason to address buffing weaker killers. Freddie needs a desperate overhaul to his addons and his ability. I also think the game needs strong killers that can compete with well co-ordinated 4 man swfs. If you look at momo's streak, yea he went against alot of good survivors, but he'd mostly play late at night, which meant fewer 4 man swfs, which led to more DCs or give up on hooks, whenever he tunneled or camped. I had seen a lot of 4 man swfs give momo trouble, but that's where any other blight would have barely got 1 kill, momo used to clutch it at 1 or 0 gens left. Also there is a streak going on by knightlight on nurse, with 0 perks and 0 addons and he is currently on 299. If BHVR guts blight, the sweaty blight mains are just going to go back to nurse and become "blight enjoyers". Personally having seen the track record of many games in the past, I don't think the way to balance should be nerfs, but it should be buffs to aspects of the game that are weak. Also blight has a very high skill floor, just like nurse, and not anybody who picks blight can consistently 3-4k at mid-high mmr, let alone against good 4 man swfs. Just because one guy, who is clearly the best at blight (and tunneling), should not result in a punishment for the rest of the blight mains. I believe I am a good killer, I can consistently 3-4k with blight, nurse and most other A-tier killers, but that doesn't mean I can go on a 1k streak like momo or 299 streak with no addons/perks on nurse like knightlight. Overall blight or nurse's pick rate and high skill floor don't justify any further nerfs in my opinion. A lot of games that go through years of nerfs, players always look back at year 0 or 1 as the golden years of the game, because it was broken but fun. I read the same about DBD and I get that some things that become crutches need to be nerfed, but alc ring or speed addons on blight are definitely far from being crutches. They just make blight fun. Blight can still get looped around windows or pallets. Gutting his addons will just result in another killer that becomes unfun to play however people who sweat will still find the most malicious play styles and characters to win with.

Anyone have a link to some of the gamed he played as blight? I'd be intrested to see how he managed to get this streak and some of the close games I'm sure he's had plenty of.

@ScottJund

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty much all aggressively tunneling til someone DCs. No shade, if you're going for 1000 that's what you should do 😊

@joshkeller2671

Жыл бұрын

@Scott Jund that's what I assumed but as you said I'd have to see the variables before I make a judgment on it any further. Even with aggressive tunneling I feel like the streak could of been lost by a few games sacrificing 2 survivors to complete gens but that does go against most survivors altruistic behaviors.

@metaberd5879

Жыл бұрын

@@joshkeller2671 the tunnels tend to be over before the first gen or 2 pops, and by that point, a 3v1 against blight is very tough. If you want to see some of the games, on MomoSeventh's twitch, he has vods going back about 3 weeks, so you can pop in and see some games that way. I'm a long time viewer of his, and he is pretty crazy at blight. As far as close games go, I couldnt be sure because I can't make a lot of streams.

@joshkeller2671

Жыл бұрын

@@metaberd5879 thank you very much, I look forward to watching a few matches on my next break at work

@DeityPsymon

Жыл бұрын

He definitely had close games and lost the streak several times. But he's not going against good teams every time. This isn't some 1000 win streak against good teams, otherwise he doesn't get this streak.

The highest Escape streak i can even remember hearing about was Wima's 383, which as stated was a completely different time in dbd, As in, before blight was even released. Seeing any killer get to 1000 is both impressive, and sad to see that something like that is even possible.

@Daniel-ie3vq

Жыл бұрын

Wima's streak is what came to my mind as well. I can't remember if it was a 4-man streak, though. I kinda doubt it was because all it would to take to end it would be a facecamping Bubba, Tombstone Myers, etc. And even then, there's an ocean of difference between a 3-man streak and a 4-man. Against a competent killer, very likely they get a single kill even when they lose badly. Not to mention the 1-man streaks in a swf, which are gimmicky at best. For comparison, this Blight's streak was 4ks.

Im surprised no one has suggested changes to nurse like maming it so the blink isnt instant, maybe it takes longer based on how far you travel (more than currently, im talking about 3-4 seconds) or just making it take that long period, or making it so she cant immediately swing after blinking, they would probably have to extend the swing window if they did but i think that would nerf her without making her feel too much worse

@ethanpeeples6187

Жыл бұрын

They can't nerf her too hard

I feel like it's hard to coordinate 4 of the best players in the entire game to all consistently play at the highest level for 1000 games straight. If there was only 1 survivor and it was magically balanced around that in this hypothetical world, it would be likely you'd see something similar.

@demifolk8940

Жыл бұрын

no because this is impossible in fighting games and other 1v1 comp games. Not saying people shouldn’t be able to go on long win streaks, i do think thats only possible in DBD because of what type of game it is. But a killer getting this many is very much a cause for concern. I mean people know blight is insanely good but the fact you accomplish this speaks more bad than good

@tokyo_swf8290

Жыл бұрын

@demifolk ye but the amount of hours it takes to accomplish it and sure it shouldn't be possible but it's far from scary when you consider who was behind the 1000 streak

It's nurse blight and spirit, all of them can go on 1000 game win streaks, the only reason we've only seen 1 is cause all the players capable don't have the mental capacity or care enough to reach it

You should discuss the OTz and hens experiment on the “balance” of the game when no competitive rules are in play. I would be very interested in your thoughts.

@Otzdarva

Жыл бұрын

He already covered the OG experiment from Wispy!

@zachjohnson5228

Жыл бұрын

@@Otzdarva ❤️

@larsliamvilhelm

Жыл бұрын

When any and all rules are off the table, killers will win like 80-90% of the time.

@DeityPsymon

Жыл бұрын

@@larsliamvilhelm Not true at all. The Wispy tournament Otz referenced shows that. Only time killer did consistently good at all was when Zaka was playing killer. Otherwise games were 1-2k with comp level teams playing with no restrictions.

@larsliamvilhelm

Жыл бұрын

@@DeityPsymon I'm talking current meta, not whenever that tournament took place.

good rework for trapper is that to disable traps u would have to find a sticks that are spread around the maps so u can use them to disable the traps, for example u pick 1 stick then u can use it to disable 1 trap, but u have plenty of sticks around the map, the fact that u need to do this to disable the trapper traps it would make it so people cant really follow up trapper and see where he places his traps and it makes it more risky because it take a lot of time to waste around the map, pretty awesome rework and more interactive. blight and nurse needs a nerf tho.

@XenoVT

Жыл бұрын

That would actually be fun as hell as survivor, there really needs to be more objectives in this game. Like go the Friday the 13th route and have like 5 ways to escape but each on requires collecting things and interacting with different stuff

@SteffArrowPlay2DeadbyDaylight

Жыл бұрын

Yeah make it like Singularity EMP's and make his ultra-rare addon basekit, so if you disarm trap without a stick you'll get injured, but if you do it with a stick you are going to be unharmed. Also disarming with a stick should be faster than without it, there we go a strong trapper rework, throw in there also an ability to carry all traps from the start and not having to pick them up and he is going to be a solid killer.

You’re completely correct. People get so salty and deliberately respond in bad faith over simple statements like that.

Was praying to God it was just another video of buddy

I played a match againsta Blight with a friend of mine who used to play DBD quite a while ago, and we both noticed during the match that the Blight was able to find survivors easily and bounce a lot more than usual. When the match ended we saw his addons, one that gave him +2 rush tokens and a couple other stats and compound 33, and my friends first reaction was "wtf, those addons are green!? I thought they would've been at least ultra rare!"

What about adding the nemisis power mechanic to blight and nurse, making it so they have to build up to their power, stage 1 blight only gets 2 rushes, and when he hits it applys a infection but doesnt injure after a bit of build up you get stage 2 with 4 rushes, and 3 with 5 rushes and a bit of range, the exact same with nurse, they could make it a new statis effect. This could work lore wise as they are both rooted with sickness, and to be honest I think it fits better on them than nemisis, greater reward for using power but limits start up, and actually makes it so the killer isnt rewarded for existing, still requires skill to use, but dampens their power. They could just make it a standard type of killer archetype to have stage baised powers.

@Hhuhater

Ай бұрын

1 blink nurse would be ridiculously easy to loop if you are good at the game at all

"Think of any game in existence and you cant think of anyone with 1000 winstreaks" Technoblade with 1500 bedwars wins in a row:

in comp the only addons that are allowed are double speed, at least thats what ive been told.

They should make basekit Nurse's old iridescent addon debuff which made her only able to go through 1 wall.

Blight is one of the few killers that got an addon buffed as a tweak. Adrenaline vial still blows my mind

@tokyo_swf8290

Жыл бұрын

Tbf that addon was barely used in the streak he mostly used double speed

@interrobangZ

Жыл бұрын

@@tokyo_swf8290 yeah my point was more that bhvr tends to nerf over performing add-ons rather than buff underperformers, and yet blight who already has a plethora of strong add-ons got one of his weaker ones buffed.

A little off topic, but I think a good way to judge how good a killer is performing outside of hooks vs kills is hook uptime during a match, as in what percentage of a matches time is a survivor or survivors on the hook, would love to hear what yall think

About the addons - the only addon change given to Blight that I remember is Adrenaline Vial , which used to be a troll addon that got BUFFED.

Worth pointing out about streaks, the escape steak on survivor would have to be 3 person escapes to be equivalent to the 1k blight win streak.

There’s a interesting question to be brought up that Scott kinda hints at when using the trapper analogy. If the best trapper/killer plays as well as possible should they always be able to win the match or should the survivors win the match? Theoretically. Or I guess a tie is also another outcome. I’d say it should at least be a tie if not the killer winning slightly more of the time then the survivors. But I don’t agree that the killer should win 100% of the time if both sides play as well as they possibly could. (Btw this question obviously isn’t taking into account rng with maps, loops, gen and hook spawns etc. which can drastically change how easy a game is for either side)

This is literally the same argument I make when saying toxicity and competitive mindsets don't make sense in DBD. In a game like, let's say CoD or Siege (at least in the firefight meta), you have 2 teams, equipped with similar gear, using the same mechanics to try to outplay each other. THAT makes sense. In that scenario, the winner should be the better player. In something like DBD, the killer and the survivors aren't even playing the same game. The survivor perks are geared towards completing a vastly different objective than what the killer's perks are. It just doesn't make sense in something like DBD.

I think that Blight's addons remaining the same is BHVR's way of spiting the player base who actually cares about balance.

@marcovazquez-ou2pv

Жыл бұрын

Remove nurse first before talking about blight.

@konrad94886

Жыл бұрын

@@marcovazquez-ou2pv nah ain't never gonna happen. nurse is gonna stay the way she is forever because BHVR is data driven, and nurse has the lowest pick and kill rate. she is in a good spot now.

@marcovazquez-ou2pv

Жыл бұрын

@@konrad94886 in a good spot how? Ig onryo is the best killer in the game because she has one of the highest kill rates. What a joke. Ig the killer with shit chase and no anti loop is better than the killer who ignores all the fundamental rules of the game.

I think they haven’t nerfed Blights addons because there isn’t any specific addons that are overused, since almost all of his addons are good. Remember the reason why they wanted to nerf the engravings for Billy? Because those two addons were literally the only two addons EVERY Billy player used. With Blight however, you got a huge variety of addons ranging from not useless, to pretty good, to straight up broken. You could go with the OP ones like Alch Ring and Compound 33, or a Sonic build with Blighted Crow/Rat, or the turning addons/adrenaline vial, or even the rush cooldown reducers. Since there are a bunch of addons people use on Blight, BHVR doesn’t see any addons that are used way more than others, thus they don’t think any of them are strong enough to be nerfed.

Another pretty good way to think of it is going back to for honor, I think, because it's not as asymmetrical but can you be considered worse at the game if someone with 22 reps in PK kills you, a player of equal total reps, when you're going through your first rep with a character you wanted to pick up?

Im still in awe at the fact that this has to be a conversation. People shouldve just listened to Buddy from the start.

Someone under the Otz' tweet assumed that these add-ons haven't been nerfed because there're many enough of them to distribute the usage evenly between them so they don't stand out on the stats

Off the top of my head there are numerous 1000+ winstreaks in Hypixel bed wars that got ended due to boredom and not actually losing per se. I think the winstreak thing is more indicative of current balance problems than game balance in a vacuum in theory, as the implication of ultra-high winstreaks being impossible is that regardless of your skill dudes can and should be able to just ruin your day with cancer builds on either survivor or killer side, but killer side is much easier to achieve this on.

Btw, the reason that speed addons seem faster than they should is because movement speed multipliers are multiplicative. Since you move at 230% with blight, the addons make you move 13.8% and 9.2% faster respectively.

Will you bring back stream highlights anytime soon? I've watched them all several times and I miss having new ones to watch

@DeityPsymon

Жыл бұрын

Skrump has been busy. Once Skrump has time and makes a stream highlights, Scott will put it up.

closest i've heard of from a survivor streak is wima's 383 and 503 escape streaks, but that's from a 3 protect 1 SWF. best solo escape streaks were ~50, best 4 out streak I heard of was 38 (but i don't know many of those so there are probably better) and best 3-4 out streak is around 200.

@justnuttedinasock2054

Жыл бұрын

Highest solo escape streak is 39, and it took years to beat the previous record

I must admit that I have not played against a "top" level killer that I know of, but I pretty consistently get to rank 1 (or whatever they call it these days) and like to think that I'm in an upper percentage of player skill. Nurse and Blight are two of my favorite killers to go against right now because they really capture the essence of a good game. Hillbilly a few years ago was on the list as well and even now I don't mind it. It's a lot more fun to face things that have some counterplay that takes high skill, rather than something like a Trapper who just sets a trap down at every loop to make you go to the next one, or the Knight who can just duplicate himself at loops if he wants. With Nurse and Blight, their power requires skill to get a hit, and the counterplay is also based on skill and mind games. Sometimes when a Nurse blinks, I can change my movement pattern to completely lose her, while other times she predicts exactly what I'm going to do. Same with Blight, if I can use the environment to my advantage to make it more difficult for him to land the hit, that speaks to my own skill, while the Blight uses his skill to avoid the obstacles or run me to a dead zone/open area. For me that direct competition, with a bunch of 50/50s, is more enjoyable than avoiding things in the environment or simply holding W to get out of an area.

Considering Blight speed at winstreaking, we BHVR decided to nerf random Blight addons that are never used, we also decided to multiply the number of pallets and windows by 2.

Thank you otz for that important point

I just played a 20 min game against huntress on auto wreckers. I went to struggle first hook, so I got one dead hard all game. I wasn't one to complain but I feel the perk still needs a tweak. Perhaps a 5 min timer would be more balanced.

That 'What add-ons was Magnus running' from otz is fucking gold.

For what it's worth momo spent like a year attempting and reattempting to get 1000 wins in a row. One of the reasons it's harder to get a survivor streak going because it's harder to get a group of 4 like minded people of that top tier skill together who all want to sweat for a win streak. It's far easier to decide you yourself are going to go for a sweaty streak than to get 3 other people who are among the best few in the world to sweat for a year to see how many you can get. He matched vs his own comp team trying to do an escape stream around game 956. He got a favorable map for him (ironworks) and they were using unique perks (1 use of each) and I think plundered items. They got 4 gens done and had the last gen at 98% with 2 slugs on the ground, 1 of whom had adrenaline. The slugs were across the map too so one could have gotten the other and maybe grabbed a door in time or something. It's not as unbalanced as it seems, it's just that you pretty much never go against comp teams sweating in pubs because if you have one you'd probably rather scrim instead. Some of blight's addons definitely need a nerf (adren vial, compound 33, and ring especially) some more are very strong but borderline could go either way But honestly I'd be very interested to see if you had a top team like eternal play 2500ish games like momo did, running strong builds and strong play styles, what streak they could get to. I don't know the answer and I'd guess it wouldn't be 1000 but I'd be interested to find out I think the issue would be less severe if matchmaking was better. A 2400 mmr (I'm making this number up) monster shouldn't be matching with solos who just hit the 1600 soft cap (assuming that's still what it is), because that's how matches feel impossible. I feel like as you get farther above the soft cap, it should slowly rise just to keep the matches somewhat closer. Not the precise requirements that gave dowsey a 2 hr queue in the past, just a little closer than now. I'm pretty sure at some point in the past the cap was 1900 if I remember correctly

Problem is regardless of add ons etc. Killers can always fall back on to sh*tty unfun playstyles to win (tunnel etc) ON TOP of the add ons and there really is no counter or equivelany to it for survivor - which makes it feel even worse. 4 man COMP swf are almost the only survivors who can try to compete at any level. As you say though, lets see a 1k win streak- which incidently survivors win streaks i find have generally more relaxed requirements for counting as wins or losses!

@SissypheanCatboy

11 ай бұрын

its just because the dbd community is complete toxic ass. Its a never-ending cycle. Killers get tired of being swept by a bunch of sweaty 4 man SWF teams so they play like assholes, the random survivors they go against get tired of being camped and tunneled so they bring sweaty meta addons, etc etc. I've been on both sides, it blows.

The thing about survivor escape streaks is that it’s a lot easier for one person to play in a way to throw the whole match just to end it. If it’s an escape streak for one person, and he’s got 3 friends, you just stream snipe in as something like iri head huntress or nurse and just relentlessly tunnel and camp them. Hell if your confident enough to play bubba against a comp squad, get that one guy down and just facecamp him. Survivors can’t snipe as easily given that the killer is hidden in the lobby and the streamer’s delay makes it harder to check his stream to see if you sniped.

If a killer uses Reshade at any time in this "streak" then they have also brought a tool external to the game which gives them an advantage. Streaks should be done with base game and visuals as intended (colorblind settings/people aside).

Damn. I was hoping for a 7 minute video compilation of Buddy

I remember when MMR was first introduced and even the 'wholesome' streamers were up in arms that they could no longer knock out 50 win streaks, then defined as a 4k, after a whole week of trying, on literally every single killer with no add-ons, anymore.

I have like 20 alchemists rings. I just don't use it. I use the undetectable rush add-on and maybe compound 21 to scare survivors

Honestly I can think of tons of games in which people went on insane win streaks. Such of 50 tournaments in smash bros, or I could probably find tons of chess players that have won in streaks that make 1000 seem small.

yeah I just agree with you

I feel like a competitive mode with its own restricted perk/item/add-on list would be the only way that bhvr could target streaks, but they honestly don't really seem to care about anything other than killrate. Or different balancing between different skill levels, which they have zero chance of doing correctly

Asym games are naturally weirder about this by their very nature, but imo this isn't even a balance thing necessarily, even the best player using the most broken shit can only get streaks this arbitrarily high if the matchmaking is fucked up. If any more proof needed to be had that MMR was a complete smokescreen addition that did functionally nothing, this would be it.

Honestly you’re so right scott, blight and nurse have been crazy for the longest time. This is why we should nerf genji.

@braveryandpasion9510

Жыл бұрын

while you are at it, i think reinhardt is overperforming just a tiny bit.

*brings a minigun to a fist fight* *wins* „Guess the other guy was just weaker than him“

I agree regarding double speed add-ons: I feel like it is just bad design to reward a killer for being worse with their power. Shouldn't a Blight be rewarded for getting hits with fewer charges? Isn't that why we hate Alchemist's Ring, because no matter how many charges you need to use, as soon as you finish the end lag of the swing, you instantly recharge your power? Getting hits with only 2-3 charges SHOULD reward the killer more than needing 4-5 charges (or more with Adrenaline Vial). I think especially that these add-ons offer no downside (think Engravings on Billy or Beast's Marks on Bubba), it is pretty clear they need adjustments (as well as many of his add-ons) to bring Blight in line with the rest of the cast.

No we don't

I remember Technoblade going on a 1000 win streak in Minecraft BedWars and that game was perfectly balanced because every player had access to the same tools

@bipolarexpress9827

Жыл бұрын

Does it have a functional ranking system? Any real competitive game has you matching against players who win just as much as you do. You don’t see even 200 win streaks in csgo, StarCraft, or street fighter. It just shouldn’t happen if you’re matching with players who take the game as seriously as you and are just as experienced as you are

There was a 500 escape streak on survivor that never got broken they just got bored and decided to stop, however that want the whole team escaping just 1 guy.

I think this would be a really good opportunity to bring other killers up in power while bringing killers like blight and nurse down. Trapper is definitely in need of some sort of boost so he's not always just this killer that noobs should play to learn the game or wraith. I know they are reworking twins, and that's cool, but the idea that the "Very Hard" killers should be the most powerful is really getting old from BHVR.

I can't think of a single competitive sport where a 1000 win streak is something likely to happen. Even with one side leagues ahead of the other, mistakes can happen, exhaustion can happen, unfortunate coincidences can happen. Especially on all big traditional sports where upsets happen all the time.

Next game update: "We're nerfing pig!"

@skeley6776

Жыл бұрын

I feel like Billy is the new Pig at this point.

@opheliamoonrose4316

Жыл бұрын

@@skeley6776 Both

I agree it's like making an extremely strong character, but extremely hard to perform as well and then some player becomes so good as that character that he is simply impossible to beat

Blight is one guy and can play his best for 1000 games. Survs are 4 and its pretty ez that 1 somehow fucked up.

I also think there's something to be said about 1 player playing as hard as they can to get 4 kills in any way possible going for their 1000 win streak while the other 4 players have no idea they are even in a competition and might just want to get their chest archive or daily challenge done, grind out some easy bloodpoints or just chill with friends after work, it's not an equal competition if you place Magnus Carlson under a blanket and then tell his opponent's they're vsing a random chess opponent with no prize while he's competing for his thousandth win. Get 4 decent twitch survivors to compete against him bringing all the best gear and perks just like him with the only objective to get a single person out to break the streak and maybe the outcome would be different.

"Pig is crouching slightly too fast so she can actually use her ambush in loops, gotta nerf that" "Blight is okay though"

Can I just say the comment from “Otzdarva” is gold? “What addons was Magnus running? I think that’s kind of important.” I’m dead lol.