There should be a badge for not leaving the game when you die.

@gameliking

3 жыл бұрын

The rarest badge of them all

@sumweerdguy788

3 жыл бұрын

There should be a badge for leaving when you die called “bad sport”

@High_tier_deity_

3 жыл бұрын

Wraith mains be like naw fuck that badge

@majinbenproductions1038

3 жыл бұрын

@@sumweerdguy788 every time you do it, replaces your top badge with this badge for 3 matches

@bugboi3014

3 жыл бұрын

@@majinbenproductions1038 genius

I feel like you are severely overestimating the average skill of apex players

@t1mek33per9

3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree.

@user-xj5tc6yw7e

3 жыл бұрын

Average player should have atleast 5k kills 3k dmg badge and atleast platinum rank

@AresGuerra

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-xj5tc6yw7e bro what

@user-xj5tc6yw7e

3 жыл бұрын

@@Daffasuper so you telling me average player has 1k kills in 7 seasons?so it takes you 2 years+ to get 1k kills? Then you are not average

@dream8870

3 жыл бұрын

@@Daffasuper im season 0 but left the game and didn’t really play much at back then i recently picked it back up in season 5 i only have 3k across my entire account

I will never forgive that one Gibby who took my 20 kill badge by stealing 3 kills. In the end of he game summary I had 19 kills, 3 assists, and about 4500 damage

@okolk6450

3 жыл бұрын

I hate how they act like they were helping

@Player-st4hn

3 жыл бұрын

Damn that sucks, I got my 20 bomb with a fill player who I talked to, luckily he listened

@rwmanos_b

3 жыл бұрын

I feel you bro one bloodhound took 1 kill from me and I got 19 kils and 4478 damage

@0pt.x

3 жыл бұрын

Same thing with me that was a gibby. He had 3 kills and I had 17. I understand I can’t stop him getting kills. But regardless you still feel annoyed and feel your teammate to blame

@lnvoucher233

3 жыл бұрын

this is why solos should be a thing

Am I the only one who just uses the badges that just look cool instead of being hard to get😂

@brifflings

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@TheBoWill

3 жыл бұрын

I do a bit of both and will try to match my banner to skilled badges and arrange them to a nice colour combo

@TheBoWill

3 жыл бұрын

@Jason Walworth got to be done

@JuanPerez-qr4cw

3 жыл бұрын

same i use like 4k 20 kill with a other cool looking badge

@sirkanight1375

3 жыл бұрын

Nope I do the same thing

I would say that 10,10,10 is much harder than 20 kill badge. The matchmaking system is broken rn

@hamazoon.

3 жыл бұрын

Ye same, in my opinion the 20 kill badge should be in A tier and the 4K badge should be in S tier with the predator rank badge

@davikk1782

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamazoon. 4K damage is in A tier

@masonjohnson2768

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamazoon. 20 kill is way harder now players die so fast now

@whitesocksinsandals8642

3 жыл бұрын

Actually more of a proof the matching system his working... Your squad shouldn't be able to go through half the lobby.

@bubbagaming88

3 жыл бұрын

Yooo same whenever I get a 2 k damage on a game then I get into more sweaty predators

15:30 did u not see that AFK Waith just standing behind the wall. lol

@ijb_3218

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I saw it😂

@bulc

3 жыл бұрын

Wraith*

@xedim

3 жыл бұрын

Oh snap

@xshelzyy6114

3 жыл бұрын

Im was your main Crypto

@_ScarCrow

3 жыл бұрын

Where Nvm i found it, it’s more 15:32

Good luck getting the 4k damage and 20 kill badge now, this game is plagued with sweats

@abdishakurr

3 жыл бұрын

I dropped 17kills yesterday as a solo wraith I died to the last squad 😭😭 that was my only chance

@tobe4348

3 жыл бұрын

@@abdishakurr sad

@X-EvilAsh

3 жыл бұрын

@Travis Kush you must have been cracking everyone with the wingman

@dylant400

3 жыл бұрын

I just dropped my first 20 bomb with my main and I am SO HAPPY

@samuelh723

3 жыл бұрын

It's not hard, I have had it a 20 2 times this season and the 4k 3 times and Im not trying to go for them

4:45 the badge isnt about getting first blood. its to kill someone when they get revived

@bruterasta

Жыл бұрын

Or kill someone right after first drop, for example when landing hot fragment east, pick a gun and kill someone immediately. I think that is what Alarmix meant. Both ways grants you this badge.

The premade squad one is a tier, it’s impossible, you need to have friends

@Oscar-st2cg

3 жыл бұрын

I did it with randoms 😂

@veil3

3 жыл бұрын

It's just annoying that people think apex is a dead game and it's bad so I only have one friend to play with

@Gamer_Ben2005

3 жыл бұрын

@@Oscar-st2cg no its a pre made squad i did it with lvl 3 with randoms but didnt get it Tbh i dont even have lvl 1 No friends :(

@zay9333

3 жыл бұрын

i have none ffuc

@kenziegreenwood6633

3 жыл бұрын

@@Oscar-st2cg haha

I’ve accepted my fate of not getting the 20 kill badge.

@okay7332

3 жыл бұрын

i thought that then one last season i got a 28 kill game, trust me it will come.

@Yusuf-sj1oy

3 жыл бұрын

keep playing and you got this, I thought the same thing

@sarthaksaswatdas2846

3 жыл бұрын

@brandon Its also has a lot to do with luck. I have lost count of the number of 18 kill games i have had because of last squad being a duo or solo or my teammates stealing my kills. And once i got disconnected at 18 kills when one squad was still left.

@tokyodoru

3 жыл бұрын

Same lmao

@king-qi2ks

3 жыл бұрын

Same but with 20 kill and 4K 😂 my highest is 14 and damage is 3200

15:32 there is a afk wraith and alarmix didn't even noticed

@sudhakrishnan5054

3 жыл бұрын

Hey don't we all do that.

@thatoneeaglewarrior2284

3 жыл бұрын

You are supposed to save afks

@muzza302

3 жыл бұрын

When?

@Braydon559

3 жыл бұрын

@@muzza302 you can Barley see it look through the bars In the wall

5:16 this badge is underrated, should be in b tier

@santiagocapetilloruiz271

3 жыл бұрын

But is so easy to get

@LidlBakeryy

3 жыл бұрын

It's very easy to get with the new ring location

@Inferno-fps

3 жыл бұрын

@@santiagocapetilloruiz271 how is it easy to knock 4 people in 20 seconds??? Elaborate

@santiagocapetilloruiz271

3 жыл бұрын

@@Inferno-fps dude it’s one of the most easiest badges in the game

@Inferno-fps

3 жыл бұрын

@@santiagocapetilloruiz271 I have that badge on wraith and lifeline and it’s not easy to just knock 4 fucking people at once. That’s an entire squad and then one more person

There should be a content creator badge for creators like you guys, like how there is a dev badge for devs

@speedrunner9527

3 жыл бұрын

yh but only for youtubers with 100k+ subs

@nshekhar

3 жыл бұрын

@@speedrunner9527 maybe 20k or 50k bc there aren’t a lot of apex youtubers that have 100k

@labnd7964

3 жыл бұрын

Stream sniping tho

@lucasmosher2619

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a good point

@braiden_

3 жыл бұрын

That would be challenging for the devs because of the way that somebody could have 300k subs and they would obviously count, but what about somebody with 15k? Just something to think about.

Alarmix: maybe around level 50 you should have done atleast 2k damage on one of your legends Me level 126 that has never gotten it:😭😭😭

@ciarranoconnell6184

3 жыл бұрын

I think he said level 150

@unforgiven-eb6jo

3 жыл бұрын

I got it when i was lvl 80 lol its not hard just play g7 or hemlok

@domtoretto6792

3 жыл бұрын

I’m lvl 130, I’ve got 2k on 4 legends and 2.5k on 1. But I only got my first 2k i was closer to lvl 100

@Bearnaiseeee

3 жыл бұрын

same

@KARAKONDZULA248

3 жыл бұрын

i got my first 2k on lifeline at like level 30, i had no idea how hard it was until i tried to get it on wraith

Take a shot every time someone comments “___ is easy to get”

The Headshot Hotshot badge is hella hard, what you talking about?

@pedropedreiro8946

3 жыл бұрын

just get your hands with a kraber and you're good to go

@elipetrou9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@pedropedreiro8946 I’ve gotten like 10+ kills with the Kraber in a single game tons of times, but it’s pretty tough

@ravioli_is_good1433

3 жыл бұрын

Yea its crazy. Honestly

@raymon3y631

2 жыл бұрын

He put the 4 eliminations in 20 secs in C tier he obv trippen

@elipetrou9308

2 жыл бұрын

@@raymon3y631 that ones actually pretty easy

Idk about the 2k badge in C tier, i’m thinking lowest on B

@profain353

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's that hard to get, as he said :if you grind enough you'll be able to get it

@payday3626

3 жыл бұрын

2k ozzy to get

@amonkey4774

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously im a solo queue diamond and the highest danage ive ever gotten in a game is about 1.9k

@IC0NYK

3 жыл бұрын

@@amonkey4774 i could make diamond if i wanted but i dont....made plat 1 or 2 every split and its the same for me😭😭😭1983 was my damage

@payday3626

3 жыл бұрын

@@amonkey4774 my is 3k

8:58 rip Alarmix

I got the no witnesses badge pretty early in my experience, and i haven’t really seen anyone else with it

@HarrisonBradke

3 жыл бұрын

Same but I'm trash and I just play with a good friend

@DeLo000

3 жыл бұрын

Not trying to hate but most people just don’t show it

@DarkForce852

3 жыл бұрын

Most people dont show it, idk why he even ranked it that high, I think mostly everyone has it

@i-am-mercurial

Жыл бұрын

No witnesses is a bit overrated in this video. Triple triple is harder.

I dont have group theatrics lvl 1 and I'm lvl 500

@shilohiaulualo7706

3 жыл бұрын

Same lol

@azoozxumcahah7535

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry you will have it soon bro

Before he said only the badges available now, I was thinking of the like seven seven seven badge thing

@matteocamp

3 жыл бұрын

it's the 8 8 8 but yah

@blabbermouth0598

3 жыл бұрын

Ah ok thx for clearing that up, couldn’t remember what it was

@lucassmith15

3 жыл бұрын

I see you on a lot of apex videos

Drinking game: take a shot every time he says “Legend/s”

Me just casually equipping all the rare badges I have after watching this video

Triple triple is definitely harder to get than 2500 damage.

@i-am-mercurial

Жыл бұрын

Agree

I have 60k kills and every single badge but still yet too achieve 10 10 10 it’s by far the hardest

@the_boss_drifter6756

3 жыл бұрын

Woah

@reezzo

3 жыл бұрын

I only have like 3k kills and have it, Is it really that hard? Wow you learn something new everyday

@user-xj5tc6yw7e

3 жыл бұрын

Are you a 45k+ kills path?

@apvcpipe

3 жыл бұрын

My sister has it and she doesn’t even have 2k

@the_boss_drifter6756

3 жыл бұрын

@@apvcpipe how?

6:39 perfect timing

The 2k level thing you said is pretty damn a accurate, I was like lvl 120 or 130 when I got my first 2k game. Had a Level 3 teamwork badge before that

My man chillen on 140 fps while I am down around 60

@elipetrou9308

3 жыл бұрын

I’m in like 30 lol

@antro1881

2 жыл бұрын

300 fps here 😔

I just got the 300m distance knock badge with the scout!

Did he ever mention the badge you get for playing 100 games with five or more kills?

@clapz_jad5051

3 жыл бұрын

It's extremely EZ bro

@elijah-he975

3 жыл бұрын

@@clapz_jad5051 calm down Mr. Pro

@raveno6625

3 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Christ it takes ages to get

@kimshoemaker3129

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijah-he975 it takes time but it rly doesn’t take that much skill assuming you get 5 kills every so often

@thelittlemaninthecorner1817

3 жыл бұрын

@@raveno6625 it takes ages to get if you have a life. Evidently these people do not

When he says you can't get carried to get the respawn both teammates, I only got it cos both my friends fell off the map

@switchblade6

3 жыл бұрын

Right? It's literally free if you have a couple friends willing to jump off the map for you.

I have no witness, and I honestly didn’t know it was this good.

I have the Predator badge and the well rounded....love it. I’m an average Dad player lol...maybe on the weekends when the fam bam is asleep...I slip on my luxurious headphones and commence to drift off into the dreamland which is apexlegends for a few hours....I woke my whole family up the first time I won a game...so yes I’m not as cool as y’all but I love living through you all alarmix

One of the requirements for the Teamwork badge is that u gotta be in a premade

Yoo do you remember me you have grown so much dude good job I haven't been on YT in a while bc I was grounded but good job man

Love how I got triple triple and no witnesses back when there were no seasons, came back season 10 and already dropped 2800 to get the hammer badge tier 2

Did he put the assassin badge into the list? I couldn't find it

And for winning two games in a row - its a bug but it works if you win as one legend and win as another in a row

I got my first 20 kill badge after more than 10,000 kills on my account, and it took me 15,000 before I got 5 headshot kills in a game. This badge is rarer than most think.

I watched this a week ago and I'm back proud to say, at level 86 *I got my first 2k badge LETS GOOOO*

@ Alarmix from last couple days I've noticed that your video lags in between. can you take a look at that.

No witnesses is way easier than 4K damage and headshot badge

@elipetrou9308

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I actually don’t have it but have the 4K lol

Editor: So how much saturation do you want Alarmix: Yes

I think that they should make more badges adapted to duos Ex: kill 4 full teams in a single game in the duos game mode

@tiborkorneli2905

8 ай бұрын

I just did a game where I did this at the start 😭

S tier 20k. Smurfs: You underestimate my power.

I will never forgive the wraith who took my 4K. They took the final kill and thirsted when I had around 3.9K damage. I was devastated and had to take a break for a week.

@psych0naut1c

3 жыл бұрын

Rippppp

I've never equipped the difficult badges just to show how good I am. I never thought of that. All I've been doing this whole time is just equipping badges that look cool and have a nice design or animation

I haven't seen more than one person with Headshot Hotshot but I've seen a lot of people with a 20bomb 4k.

U sed to be so cracked playing this game, now it feels so slow for me since I've been playing faster games lately

The closest I got to getting a 20 bomb was with pathfinder with 17 kills

@usandwich4603

3 жыл бұрын

Bro one time I 19 kills had a kraber and see a person still and go to snipe them and then my power goes out

@danluvsbinleymegachippy4413

3 жыл бұрын

Same on wraith for me

@ally_allsmiles

3 жыл бұрын

@@usandwich4603 😭

@bonkchonk8352

3 жыл бұрын

Oof

@beefjerkyisjustcowraisins2668

3 жыл бұрын

mine was 16 with wattson

Tryna figure out if the long shot badge is difficult to get cus apparently I downed some 500 meters away but I was point blank with a p2

The reinforcement recal is actually getting the kill after they land from the respawn ship not the drop ship although I’m sure that could work too

i got 3k badge on my lifeline, custic, and revenant and im a bloodhound main and i don't got it

This better be a good video

@misterslickest

3 жыл бұрын

It was

One thing I noticed about the c and d teir badges is a lot of them could be gotten from a couple good matches in a row.

I wish you had a visual Tier list on screen

I have all the badges except 10 kills for everyone in the squad

15:32 AYO THERE IS A AFK WRAITH💀💀💀😂

I like this video !

I feel good cuz I have the C tier+ badges while never playing with a premade squad, I've never had buddies to play with, been solo Q-ing since the game came out lol

I feel like it would be interesting if Apex would add a counter next to badges like the 4k, 20 bomb, no witness, and other badges like that (wether its literally a number next to the badge or an evolving badge like the wins with a character badge) so that we'd have a better idea of how many times a player has acheived that. Ive gotten the no witness badge but there isn't any indicator to tell me if I've ever acheived that since, and for the players that have acheived 4k or 20 bombs multiple times it might feel more rewarding if their badge showed that

All this tierlist shows me is how bad I am at this game. I've been playing since season 0. But I can't seem to really get better. But I also dont have anyone to play with Still a fun game for sure. I'm never giving it up

@Starwynd3

3 жыл бұрын

same bro

@sarthaksaswatdas2846

3 жыл бұрын

Solo queuing is definitely not an excuse for being bad. Just invest more time into the game. I have been solo queuing the entirety of playing this game.

@PorridgeJohnny

3 жыл бұрын

@@sarthaksaswatdas2846 what a chad

i have most of these badges and im proud of that, the best ones i have are the apex predator badge and the hot streak badge, i think today im gonna try to get the 4k damge badge

"Bang strikes himself" "Its important to know how to use every legend"

Pog video

@suarynamw

3 жыл бұрын

Woah its u

@alarmix2655

3 жыл бұрын

Captain the viber city😎

@dirt7763

3 жыл бұрын

Oh hello there

I feel like you have “Master of All” too low on this list

@paulschultz8011

3 жыл бұрын

As with 2k

@lnvoucher233

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulschultz8011 nah 2k is easy but Master of all is also easy heres the thing, master of all takes time not skill

@MrAppbee

3 жыл бұрын

@@lnvoucher233 I disagree. You have to be versatile with many legends, some are good with one solely and ass with the rest

@DeLo000

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrAppbee or get carried maybe🤷‍♂️

i got the game on release but never played, i’m now level 53 and have the 2.5k badge on rev and a few others that look pretty cool

After rewatching this a year later and playing with diamonds and up triple triple n 10 10 10 is so unbelievably hard for no reason

Is it concerning that the only “3 squad wipes on same game” I have is on mirage? And I got it this season, where mirage is classified as utter garbage?

@quinntanium350

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not concerning I got the 2.5k damage badge on mirage this season.

Me watching this video having all the badges 👀

@azoozxumcahah7535

3 жыл бұрын

Good for you bro(:

I've won many games with a premade squad but realized today for some reason I didn't get the dog badge thing.

Part 2 would be huge

15:32 there is a person afk check it out

His thought on why it's called deadeye is funny because the real definition of a deadeye is someone whose a good shot lol

I remember playing wattson after awhile and winning with her. I got the hot streak badge from it so it doesn't have to be back to back. Just get two wins

Man getting all the pre-made badge be hard tho I don’t got people to play wit

"you should probably focus more on headshots" his gameplay has maybe one headshot but i didn't notice any at all sooo HIPOCRASY

@sudhakrishnan5054

3 жыл бұрын

Because he is not going for the headshot bage

@kaiserog4417

3 жыл бұрын

Bro huh? Hes just giving tips with random gameplay on the background what do you mean hipocrasy 🤡

@Kaltar_

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaiserog4417 just joking around

@kaiserog4417

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kaltar_ oh my b im stupid

@Kaltar_

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaiserog4417 your good

I think the 4K damage badge is harder then the 20 kill badge

The winning with the same legend twice in a row works even if you play other legends in between. I got it on Crypto but played several games as other legends between the first and second win

I got the level 3 teamwork with my self and a friend both getting 13 and the other guy getting 9. It really does hurt, he doesn’t over exaggerate it

i don’t really agree with most of the badges in a, and s tier

@wavy4634

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah same it doesnt make sense at all

@thephisk9510

3 жыл бұрын

@J B yeah the only 2 badges that mean anything in this game is 4k damage and 10 10 10 20 doesn't mean anything tbh

@lexoll.

3 жыл бұрын

@@thephisk9510 then 4k is easy as well. You can just keep doing damage without actually finishing anyone. Maybe if they made 5k badge i only got that 3 times before

@CCTV_Moments

3 жыл бұрын

@@lexoll. all the badges are easy nowdays kills is what matters nowdays

@lexoll.

3 жыл бұрын

@@CCTV_Moments you sound like youre pretty good at the game? Wanna run some 1v1s?

I one time had 12 kills, my friend had 11 kills and then the third teammate had 5 and we couldnt get the 10, 10, 10 badge let alone 7, 7, 7 ._. Me and my friend also got 2, 2k damage in that same game.

@Lydroo

3 жыл бұрын

You have to be a pre-made squad in order to get it

@ArMukh381

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lydroo it was premade... but 1 of them was new

@Lydroo

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArMukh381 oh ok

i dont have the longshot badge mostly just because i dont snipe but one time in armed in dangerous i was using the charge rifle and got a kill from 296 meter away

I got the 20 kills badge sooner than 4k damage and the squad kills each person 10,it depends on luck to what badge you get first but I think 20 kills is easier than the other 2

Where is 4 swords?

Didnt see one in the comments so decided to make one🤷🏽 Tier D: Legacy continues Shotcaller No one left behind Deadeye Pack victory Group theatrics Fully kitted Tier C: Squad wipe Reinforcement recall Rapid elimination Hot streak Headshot headshot Flawless victory 2 Double duty Apex predator (win as kill leader) Well rounded Master of all Long shot 2k damage badge Tier B: Triple triple No witness 3k damage badge Tier A: Level 3 teamwork 4k damage badge Tier S: Level 4 teamwork 20 kills

I got a 20 Kill badge when you mentioned it lol😂😂🤣🤣

My game glitches yesterday and I got 2 wins yesterday but had 1 loss between the games but I got the badge when you have to win 2 games in a row

I’m by no means a good player at all, but damn I’m proud of my no witnesses badge

@TooMuchNutz

3 жыл бұрын

I’m level 408 with 3.1 k/d(don’t know if that’s good) and still don’t haveit

@Josh-yu7eb

2 жыл бұрын

@@TooMuchNutz you don't have a 3.1kd

@TooMuchNutz

2 жыл бұрын

@@Josh-yu7eb add me on xbox heavyarms85 i'll send you a screenshot. my overall account kd is 3.08 now

The “triple triple” is literally SSS tier difficulty. I can’t get this fucking badge. Randoms always steal my squad wipes, one time I finally did it solo and due to a glitch with the badge I didn’t get it.

@gigger_4190

3 жыл бұрын

I have it. For me its easy

@PAD9C

3 жыл бұрын

not difficult just get better :D

@aaronfifield4251

3 жыл бұрын

@@PAD9C it is easy but they even said that randoms keep stealimg kills witch makes thing difficult

@PAD9C

3 жыл бұрын

@@aaronfifield4251 then play octane and leave your teammates or get some friends

@aaronfifield4251

3 жыл бұрын

@@PAD9C yh btw when u say or get some friends do you mean to actually play apex with them or are u saying it as an insult

I'm level 140 and I have the no witness badge. I have been playing since season 2 but only really started grinding back in season 5 or 6. But even if so my leveling has been severely slow. Then you get my friend who plays less than me but he levels up 20 times a day. Here it takes me 1 week to level up 20 times lmao.

I got the 20 kill badge in a ranked match and I went from like bronze 4 to like silver 2-1 or something or maybe gold or something but that was like 1 year ago

Watching you loot before rezzing brings me pain

Ok I'm hella sweaty then I dropped 26 kills with 5.2k damage and now my triple triple badges says 4/3 💀💀💀💀

@areyoumycreator_8915

3 жыл бұрын

Mine is 5/3 my friends is 8/3 💀

@xedim

3 жыл бұрын

@@areyoumycreator_8915 just played and got 6/3 I killed some sF players lmao

I liked and subbed just cause you rezzed your teammates before looting at the start

I recently got a 29 kill 10/10/9 game with a few of my buddies, but then got the 10/10/10 a few games later lol

No offense but "master of all" badge should be on A or B rank at least.

@Andrei-mf6yk

3 жыл бұрын

Nah bro its SUPER easy to get

@Itsridwaaan

3 жыл бұрын

@@Andrei-mf6yk SUPER EASY?

@Andrei-mf6yk

3 жыл бұрын

@@Itsridwaaan yes

@Itsridwaaan

3 жыл бұрын

@@Andrei-mf6yk you must be a good player👍🏿

Oh my friend group my friends don't even have group theatrics 3 and I'm the only one who does finishers (Octane finishers are funnest like if you agree)

@criminaltimesinfinity3418

3 жыл бұрын

Mirage

@kohenholt3017

3 жыл бұрын

Octane main

@labnd7964

3 жыл бұрын

Yo is this exotic from apex community's ps4

@AdamsLTFC420

3 жыл бұрын

funnest

I got No Witness from a random squad I joined, that game was lit and I got another 2K badge from that game. Legit sick and kinda hard to get too if your not on coms

I don’t have most of these because because every time I catch up we always get third-party and lose