Both pre-rotate, but Sasha's edge is WAY better. So disappointing to see unfair scoring.

@Helen-me1vn

3 жыл бұрын

What about air position, landing, and flow?

@worldpeace9522

3 жыл бұрын

Trusova's first luts was underrotated.

@worldpeace9522

3 жыл бұрын

@Nor Ainsyah I swear you hate Eteri 😀. Though she didn't do anything wrong to you 😀. She just made Sasha famous and other girls too. Be kinder, and life will be more beautiful 😀. If you think I don't like Sasha, you are wrong. 🤚

@elisabethong38748

3 жыл бұрын

@@worldpeace9522 well u sound like u dont like her. if u do, you wont bring her down like that. YOU try to be kinder.

@Krispy_seaweed

2 жыл бұрын

@@elisabethong38748 agree

A lot of people on here think that if we are critizing Anna's 4Lz, then we are against her as a skater, and that is untrue! We are NOT talking about who should have won. We are talking singularly about the technical score on Anna's quads.

@vanzyceberus2615

3 жыл бұрын

💯 🤝👍

@phoebe_5267

3 жыл бұрын

True! It’s not about Anna, it’s about technique. She is a gorgeous skater with exceptional grace. I am low key in love with her landings though, so soft and gentle

@ivetachmurna1262

3 жыл бұрын

@@phoebe_5267 Alexandra best

@ardjohnochab6872

3 жыл бұрын

@@phoebe_5267 anna already try cantilever? i love cantilever than jumping. cantilever is amazing

@worldpeace9522

3 жыл бұрын

Sasha's first luts was underrotated. How people cannot see it? That's why the GOE was not like Anna's. The judges can see what we can't.

Unfair to Sasha. Love Sasha's improvement. She always work hard to improve herself such a fighter!.

@Griffw06

3 жыл бұрын

Why is it unfair? Sasha has the better lutz... Oh you mean GOE. Yeah Anna was wayyy overscored in GOEs. She has a flutz and her lutz is technically a loop in some cases

@worldpeace9522

3 жыл бұрын

She has underrotation in her first luts.

@worldpeace9522

3 жыл бұрын

@Nor Ainsyah it is your problem if you think that Sasha's GOE for her first luts was unfair. By the way, does anybody know why Aliona left Plushenko team? 🤔

@evanolds9991

3 жыл бұрын

​@@worldpeace9522 If you haven't found out by now, or if anyone is seeing this, she said she couldn't motivate herself like she could with Eteri. She also said she was happier off the ice with Plushenko but less happy because she didn't get on podiums

@user-mx6bv1pt5b

2 ай бұрын

me too, however, anna worked just as hard as her

Oh so Trusova really is trying to have better technique huh. Kudos to her.

@Salmiyaguy1

3 жыл бұрын

oh course, Plushenko is her coach after all and he comes from the Mishin school.

@worldpeace9522

3 жыл бұрын

Her fisrt luts was underrotated..

@josephile

3 жыл бұрын

@@Salmiyaguy1 Trusova has always had that deep outside edge for her Lutz even back when she was with Eteri so Plushenko has nothing to do with it.

@fatimaabdikayir5418

3 жыл бұрын

@@worldpeace9522 no,it’t clean...

@reachm9606

2 жыл бұрын

Trusova and Anna still have severe on ice pre rotation.You are supposed to take off at 1/4 but they do at 2/4 to 3/4

I don't as much have a problem with Sasha's scores because they are accurate for an unstable landing, but Anna's edge was extremely incorrect. I'd say keep Sasha's GOE but downgrade Anna's 4.76 (!!!) and give it an edge call. I admire Anna's perseverance, but she shouldn't be getting high scores on her quad Lutz.

@marron7049

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you. I really like these two ladies with two different qualities, but Anna is so overscored... (wrong edge, full blade assistance, 3/4 prerotation, UR...). Sasha's lutz here was not perfect (unstable landing, a bit UR, 1/2 prerotation) but cleary much better than Anna's.

@Deni-mt9bj

3 жыл бұрын

@@marron7049 Sasha's single lutz was underrotated, so she deserves lower goe, but her combo seems fine and it's also very difficult

@iceskate4ever184

3 жыл бұрын

Anna’s edge was fine! But is it overscored? Considering Sasha did her lutz with arms up, maybe....

@ameliadettwyler514

3 жыл бұрын

​@@iceskate4ever184 I could be seeing wrong, but put the video in x0.25 speed and watch 0:43 - 0:47. If you pause at the 0:45 second, you can see the take off edge. I shouldn't have said "extremely incorrect," but it looks flat.

@Popcatception

3 жыл бұрын

@@ameliadettwyler514 I'd say it's on the under side rather than flat

Anna's jump is full blade and inside edge and 3/4pre-rotation.

Sasha has improved so much in just under a year. Her artistic interpretation has really grown we all know she loves the challenge of a good job and to see her really grow as a skater in an all around aspect is so great to see. I think she made the right move transferring to plushenkos camp. She's really growing fast...

@feyanormorfol2457

3 жыл бұрын

Moscow GP 2020 showed her wonderful "progress". Lol. Plushenko is fake coach.

@ardjohnochab6872

3 жыл бұрын

but her coach before is also good, look at anna and kamilla, and sasha always win gold medal before in her old coach.

@liitbro

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure. Her artistic interpretation is always there when given appropriate programme, e.g. big spender

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934

2 жыл бұрын

@@feyanormorfol2457 and Anna is looking so good right now isn’t she, eteri is the fake coach who makes one season champions

@feyanormorfol2457

2 жыл бұрын

@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 Anna is a skater who manages to be in top 3 for the 3 year in the row now. So she has a right to say F U to all those people who prophesied her loosing her quads and -3Lo combo. Meanwhile Tarakanova, Sachanovich and few promising juniors had already retired.

Sashas lutz is so much better. In the second one you can see how her blade catches and reflects the light when it gets into outside edge position. I feel bad for her she is trying to improve so much.

@keiko4043

3 жыл бұрын

@@lutzaby1997 I was about to say that! Sasha's air position and overall form seems more proper and sustainable. I love Anna, but when it comes to her jumps most of the time I wonder "how the heck did she manage to fit in all those rotations before landing??"

@user-wx2ll6re4m

3 ай бұрын

Even thou I love anna I couldn't lie about the flawless lutz jump,sasha got better tech because she rotated better off the air than the landing which is completely different from anna

Sasha's edge is far more accurate...

Trusova made the best decision of her life in switching to Plushenko as a coach. She's gotten so much better! I'm happy for her :) That being said, I really want to know who Eteri knows on the ISU, because it's pretty clear that while she's not a good coach (teaching all of her pupils the same textbook jumping mistakes!), the girls she coaches get over-scored. Clearly Eteri has some backdoor politics going on. Note how Trusova got much higher scores when she was under Eteri, even though she had many should have been edge-calls problems, versus now that she's under Plushenko and her technique is so much better.

@sergio1667

3 жыл бұрын

You made a mistake: after the first paragraph it should be 'That being sad'. Which is proved by what happened to Alyona Kostornaya: with Plushenko her skating has been only degrading.

@syd1764

3 жыл бұрын

@@sergio1667 aliona was already struggling. she can't motivate herself. someone has to force her to skate basically. her technique was going down way before plushenko. She went back because plushenko doesn't want to work with skaters who constantly cry and have no motivation.

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934

2 жыл бұрын

@@sergio1667 uhhh her skating was literally going down before she went to him. She came to plushenko with a back injury that ETERI caused. And that is a fact. She couldn’t train for months because of how bad her back was and plushenko actually let her rest and recover unlike eteri. Eteri is a bad coach. End of story. Look at yulia, evgenia, Alina, aliona, ANNA. That’s not what a good coach should produce

@touche3225

2 жыл бұрын

@@syd1764 I know. How dare she cry or show emotions other than happiness when her coach literally breaks skaters. How dare she try for someone who doesn’t fix massive rotations mistakes that leads to life-long injuries. How ungrateful. Not being abused is a privilege.

@marikafasola3780

9 ай бұрын

she doesnt know anyone, isu president was russian

Scherbakova has a clear flutz.

@tadg2003

Жыл бұрын

*floopz

Aleksandra 4Lz (rippon) goe 2.30 Anna 4Lz goe 4.76, where's the justice ????

@vanzyceberus2615

3 жыл бұрын

Well.. They call it “Etiri Bonus” 🙈

@jazmincaceres8678

3 жыл бұрын

4Lz rippon= 2.30 4FLUTZ= 1000 RUSSIAN CIRCUS

@benbailey159bb

3 жыл бұрын

Trusova didn't have a good landing so looses good takeoff and landing bullet point and looses effortless bullet point

@chrisresuta6675

3 жыл бұрын

Neither of their quads are very good (both have flat edges). Alexandra's landing wasn't as strong, but Anna's edge was worse.

@rnrbnl7097

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisresuta6675 flat on trusova's lutz? lol you just lost all credibility

Anna definitely over-scored, not a true lutz. Blade take off and inside edge. Better overall, but lacks technique. Alexandra, true lutz with perfect take off techniques. And still being rotated all the way around. It might be a little under, but I’ll give it to her. She did a great job without excessive pre-rotations.

@amberadricula7649

3 жыл бұрын

I can agree with what you said about Anna but Sasha also uses a lot of pre rotation

@user-vz3pq2rk2v

3 жыл бұрын

У Анны прекрасный лутц!

@killbethy

3 жыл бұрын

I find that a lot of the Russian skaters under Eteri have almost loop take offs favoring the blade for their toe pick jumps, so kudos to Sasha for working on her form even if she does pre-rotate a bit.

@user-hf4ik8kc1r

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-vz3pq2rk2v флутц с приротом 200 градусов,она уже зубец в сторону изначально ставит,уже за счет этого градусов 30 еще не начиная прыгать за счет ноги в стороне выигрывает,а потом еще пол оборота на льду крутит

@lukelee3

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, flutzer. Its a toe loop.

Is it just me but I think Sasha has a much more aggresive technique where as Anna is more traditional. Sasha is doing amazingly since the switch.

Sashaaaa, we proud of you. Love from Indonesia !

I like Sasha better. She has her own athletic beauty. It's so nice to watch her on the ice. Everyone says that her choreography is weak, that she can only jump. I don't think so. In her short program, she proved that she can also show tenderness. I think it's her best performance ever. Her jumps are stabilizing, she's working hard, getting better. What a pity that our Russian refereeing is so corrupt. As well as everything in our country. I am sure that at international competitions Sasha will be appreciated.

@magician7252

3 жыл бұрын

That's on period.

@dominiquedominique6462

3 жыл бұрын

Ivan It is only in Russia “everyone says that Sasha can only jump” The world outside (bigger than Russia) really appreciates Sasha. She is athletic and sensitive to the music, and she has personality and guts. It takes real courage to be a little rebel as she is. I personally love how athletic, yet feminine, she is. Often, when I watch Sasha skate I am reminded of Aliona Savchenko. May Sasha have her mental strength as well!

@user-gm6ub3zw4s

3 жыл бұрын

Это как же надо ненавидеть свою страну? Любезный коррупция была есть и будет всегда и ВЕЗДЕ и во все времена. В вот двойные и тройные стандарты это именно фишка запада.... По поводу четверных прыжков... техника исполнения у обоих одинаковая (потому как учились в одном месте) Заходят обе по короткой дуге.... толковая нога при отталкивании работает одинаково у обоих преротейшен у обоих одинаковый, обе немного не докрутили при приземлении в этот раз, но выезды в этот раз у Щербаковой чище и это факт. ЛУчшие четверные в этот раз с докрутами получились у Валиевой хот это не лутцы а тулупы. Аня может и грибанули чуть чуть но по факту в остальных элементах она сильнее Трусовой. Валиева сильнее Щербаковой во вращениях и дорожках (Трусовой в этом до Валиевой и Косторной очень далеко). Саше, что бы укатывать в произвольной Аню всегда надо на один ультраси делать больлше а лучше два... потому что на финале гран при... (иностранные судьи) Щербакова за произвольную программу получила больше (с двумя ультраси), чем Трусова (с тремя ультраси .. третий был сделан в каскаде во второй половине программы) .Кстати обе упали по разу тогда и в итоге победила Косторная без четверных прыжков

@asyazazi5876

3 жыл бұрын

Для тех кто не знает что такое коррупция посмотрите ФК олимпиада Солт-Лейк-Сити. Не правда ли верх наичестнейшего судейства? 2 первых места))) в парном, не упала а прошлась в женском одиночном и первая и т д. Это только эпизод. Везде так, не только в нашей стране.

@ElectroDog1

2 жыл бұрын

Ну как, дождался?

it's really clear that Anna was ovescored ! her 4lz didn't deserve this GOE

@annann6741

3 жыл бұрын

Sashas too

@esmahamsa1216

3 жыл бұрын

@@annann6741 no her lutz is better than Anne sorry if you can't see it so you are blind

@annann6741

3 жыл бұрын

@@esmahamsa1216 Sashas quad lutzs are with bad landings and ur

@esmahamsa1216

3 жыл бұрын

@@annann6741 can't argue with you cause you are so fan of Anna that you can't see it was not a real lutz it was a flutz . judges shloud call her wrong edge but no they gave her 5GOE 🤷

@annann6741

3 жыл бұрын

@@esmahamsa1216 I know that Anna has flutz. But Sashas quad lutz was ur)

I like how you didn’t comment any jump, because there’s no need. It’s clear that Sasha’s 4Lz quality is higher and how they overscored Anna’s 4Lz. I’m not going to say anything on these ladies because they both made great efforts, but obviously the points were not accurate.

@ingaiskhakova8123

3 жыл бұрын

It’s called figure skating ,not just jumping competition,Trusova does not have same qualities yet overall.

@sophiezhang7258

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingaiskhakova8123 it doesn’t matter because there’s a PCS (components score) and a TES (technical score) which means it’s a sport that values both qualities in the same quantity since they both count 50% of the total score of a program

@ingaiskhakova8123

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophiezhang7258 I more then perfectly aware of it ,but the technical score does not consist of two jumps either ,hello ?!

@sophiezhang7258

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingaiskhakova8123 either way sasha’s score would have been higher, not to talk about the short program because those points were insanely crazy

@ingaiskhakova8123

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophiezhang7258 she does not catch up yet with Camila or Anna over all ,qualities are not same ,maybe next year ,doubt she can do it this year

I love Anna and Sasha, so I do not want to stir up a fight. It is evident that Sasha has deeper edge and less prerotation, but Anna also has better flow and landing, which is pertinent to the goe. In my opinion, both of their goe should be lowered, and Anna’s goe should be significantly lower.

As one former figure skater told: They give Trusove lower goes just because it's Trusova. Not like her jumps are ideal but she is getting lower scores than all the rest Tutberidze girls even in the components where she is better....

@TKDkristina

3 жыл бұрын

She is better in components???

@viktoria8189

3 жыл бұрын

@@TKDkristina by components are meant elements...the technical ones. But actually I do not find her a robot at all. And some people say that her skating skills are higher than the Anna's ones...can't say whether it's true.

@TKDkristina

3 жыл бұрын

@@viktoria8189 you are mistaken in calling technical elements as components. Just googled figure skating score explained and this is the first result: "Essentially, skaters receive two sets of scores or marks: the technical score is based on the difficulty and execution of the technical elements, things like jumps or spins, and the program component score is based on the more creative artistry, style, and presentation.". I always supported Trusova and she undoubtedly is the best technically and has a greater potential to have a long figure skating career in comparison to other girls who are not that technically capable and are unlikely to preserve their ultra-c jumps after puberty. Just surprised that 20 Trusova's fans above liked your incorrect comment. Either because they blindly like every positive comment about Trusova or they do not know how scoring system works😮

@viktoria8189

3 жыл бұрын

@@TKDkristina well....there is dictionary too. By components are meant elements. I am sure that if I google I will find the jumps being called like these. Those are still the components of the figure skating in the broader sense. Actually, let's google....the first link: "The base values of Kolyada's jumps and other components were....". Don't see any problem in here. And skating skills do go in the components part that you are talking about. Still, from all the articles I've read, I came to the conclusion that Trusova's skating skills are better at some points than Anna's who have beautiful hands but most specialists say that she has bad skating flow or how is it called. No one says that Trusova is better than everyone, of course. Still, what I mean - even when there are same elements and she is doing them better she is getting lower scores than girls who did it worse from Tutberidze just because she is Trusova. People also say that of course she is also getting more than someone like Liza Nugumanova who should have higher scores for the performance in the part of skating than Sasha and Anna but she can't just because she is Liza Nugumanova....

@ardjohnochab6872

3 жыл бұрын

@@TKDkristina but i love her cantilever.🤣🤣

This is happening for years. ISU likes you and you get big scores regardless of your mistakes. ISU hates you and no matter how good you perform, you get little and humiliating scores. In gentleman's discipline, such corruption is even worse.

@ksudenisova2462

3 жыл бұрын

It’s national competition , not ISU

@bruely82

3 жыл бұрын

@@ksudenisova2462 so it is national corruption. We all know, this is an old story. And besides, Russian federation is part of ISU and all those scores somehow reflect on international competitions scores as you build your scoring throughout the season. Also, they determine if an athlete will compete in international competitions as the system only allows 3 skaters per country. Sooo, it is more related than you think

@liitbro

3 жыл бұрын

How is it worse in gentleman's discipline lol. For men, they are always placed correctly. Maybe the goe and pcs are somewhat debatable (some skaters tend to always get away with URs, not going to name them), but the podium placements are ALWAYS correct. Whereas I remember NUMEROUS ladies' competition that the podium placements are totally questionable.

@viktoria8189

3 жыл бұрын

What about dances? People literally dance the same but they somehow give someone the first place. And then once you have it you are there at the first place for a long, long time XD

@ksudenisova2462

3 жыл бұрын

@@bruely82 there isn’t any corruption, what are you talking about , people have eyes and see the quality , if you don’t agree with the judges’ opinion , it doesn’t mean , there’s a corruption.

This is so unfair.Sasha is the best!!!!

Is it even still a lutz if the take off uses the whole blade rather than the toe pick? How is that allowed while other skaters are struggling to get the same goe with a true and fully rotated 3lz.

シェルバコワがメドベージェワに見えてきた。 ルッツのエッジが不明瞭でも刺されず、回転不足も見逃されがちで、プレロテフルブレードでハンマーキックでも着氷すれば高いGOEが約束されている。 トゥルソワや(動画にはいないけど)トゥクタミシェワがかわいそう。

Look anna and Sasha both outstanding athletes... but look at 👀 at Shasha take off ... Anna has 😶you know what .. Basically Shasha deserved Higher GOE in my personal opinion ❣️💗🤗

@Helen-me1vn

3 жыл бұрын

Anna does have straighter air position and much better extended landing with flow. Honestly they should just judge the GOE based on their strengths and weaknesses.

Sashas is better because you can tell that Anna shifts to a flat or slight inside edge (personally I think she should be deducted for that or get an edge call)

@lanakapiniak7105

3 жыл бұрын

If you look at a close up the edge is very clear .

@iris7484

3 жыл бұрын

yeah I don't get it with the lutz edge calls - it's either clear or it isn't. If it isn't clear, it gets a ! for "unclear edge." Easy, right? And yet here we are...

@lydiasfontouri3466

3 жыл бұрын

@@lanakapiniak7105 look again, it definately isn't outside edge.it is flat or even a little inside. It should be called!! Can't you se the differene with sasha's who has much much better edge and technique in general?

Trusova is the best...

Unfair. Anna have flutz, but GOE...wtf???

Do You Know What is Captivating in Anna's Performance? The Music!!! The Judges and the Audience are Emotional when they Hear the Bethoveen 5 Secrets. But we Can't Deny the Fact that Alexandra is Better than Anna. Kamilla is Better than Anna Too, If you watch all those Practice and Performance of these 3 girls Before, You can See How good Sasha and Kamilla Rather than Anna.

It seems that both of them prerotate a lot but Trusova’s edge is much cleaner.

@FSexpert1

3 жыл бұрын

Sasha pre-rotated less

@ardjohnochab6872

3 жыл бұрын

use slow mo guys.

Im going to try to word this right but to me it looks like Anna is forcing her entire body just to get in the air. Its like she yanking herself around just to get through it. I think she's a beautiful skater but im worried she's really harming herself. With sasha its not like that, it looks effortless, like she's jumping from her legs. Even when she falls it looks like she's in complete control of the quad and you can see every placement of her arms and legs it looks perfect. They both are amazing skaters!

Wait, I admit I'm not an expert but watched lots of video about Lutz & Flutz. Anna's Lutz - flat edge, using the whole blade for take-off, prerotated - +4.76 GOE, Sasha - outside edge, using toe picks for take-off, she still prerotated like Anna though but only got +2.63 GOE despite better technique? Or am I blind or something? Or is Sasha underrotated on the landing?

@carolyntang404

2 жыл бұрын

you're not blind. It's just there's a thing called corruption and robbery lol

@sarahcorbo3659

Жыл бұрын

It's called "The Eteri Bonus". Eteri's girls are known to get overinflated scores at competitions purely because they're coached by Eteri. Sasha was training under the Angels of Plushenko at the time this competition happened, so she didn't have that luxury back then, hence why her GOEs were significantly lower than Anna's.

I think it's quite unfair that Anna gets THAT much goe for a flutz...

@emilymason7868

3 жыл бұрын

Because Anna actually completed the rotation before landing .Alexandria did not . I know there are complaints about how the girls Etri coaches are scored higher than Evgeny, but in this case there is cause

@emilymason7868

3 жыл бұрын

@Zoë Nash ok . I Admit I have been watching skating on and off for @ 30 years and it STILL confuses me sometimes

@jesskuei1512

3 жыл бұрын

I think it is unfair. Sasha has arms-up lutz and deep outside edge. Anya has a flutz. I have to say that Sasha’s landing was not that perfect, but the GOE was wayyyy lower than Anya. Eteri bonus always😊

@emilymason7868

3 жыл бұрын

@@jesskuei1512 perhaps I am not a good one to comment . EVGENY was a talented skater ,but I sometimes felt he was scored more on who he is then the actual performance And I may be transferring it onto his students ,,and that is not fair to them..Maybe I should just watch and enjoy and not think to much on their scores

@jesskuei1512

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilymason7868 Thanks for ur comment😊 Maybe we don’t have to notice the score that much. But overscoring still should not happen. At last, Eteri girls and Sasha are both good and innocent, we just need to cheer for them, not fighting with each other. Wish girls luck and thanks for everyone’s great opinions!

2 Лутц у Саши в каскаде бомба просто ❤️

Clearly, Anna did the jumps on the wrong edge and she got an outstanding GOE. Trusova did two awesome real quad lutz with ribbon. It’s completely unfair.

ужас. диванные критики обсуждают качество прыжков, недостигаемых до селе никому в мире. оденьте коньки, и покатайтесь хоть часок. после этого напишите о своих достижениях!)

@zhannakdnkw3406

3 жыл бұрын

бред, а не аргумент. они то занимаются им с детства профессионально, и в принципе критиковать что-то нормально, если конечно это обоснованно и не несёт в себе агрессии

@AtomnayaSova

3 жыл бұрын

А все судьи чемпионата конечно умеют крутить четверные)

@Alina-phoenix

3 жыл бұрын

Вы в курсе, что чтобы стать судьёй и оценивать соревнования фигуристок не обязательно вообще даже уметь стоять на коньках, не то что кататься? Идите выразите им свое возмущение)

Сашенька и Анечка настоящие герои России! Самые уникальные фигуристки в Мире! Храни их Бог! Таких девочек надо беречь, как зеницу ока. Холить и лелеить. Пусть будут здоровы!

@Alexcotic55

3 жыл бұрын

Обе хороши, лучших нет.

@donnaroza4886

3 жыл бұрын

Это Две Звезды,которые должны сиять Очень Ярко и Долго!!!!!!!

@anyanizovskikh3517

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vsadnik555 зато на следующем соревновании упала, где гарантии что на ОИ так не будет?

@wintrusova

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vsadnik555 ВАЛИЕВА СЛИШКОМ ТУПАЯ ЧТО БЫ ЗНАТЬ , ЧТО ЗА НЕЖНОСТЬ БАЛЛЫ НЕ ДАЮТ ! Только за ТЕХНИКУ!!!

@amyamejj5987

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vsadnik555 ну и что скажете? ЭГ не делала ставку ни на кого. Заранее сажая кого-то на трон, будьте готовы, что будет грустно, когда сбросят с трона этого человека. И не важно сам он упал или его скинули

It’s interesting the Sasha is using much better technique on her lutz now and doesn’t get the appropriate goe scores. Anna does two flutz jumps and she get overrated scores.

@user-ot4ut3mg2k

3 жыл бұрын

The second jump of Anna was flip, not lutz.

@user-ot4ut3mg2k

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-bb8ym6cu4p Judges in Russia don't care about the things you wrote about. As it's nationals it will always be so. Let's wait for the international competitions.

@user-gg9uu9kx9w

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ot4ut3mg2k oh we are aware that the judges in Russia don’t care, but since figure skating is supposed to be a sport, judges and the techical panel are supposed to judge and make calls according to the ISUs rules, they shouldn’t be able to just ignore the rules and shower whichever emaciated eteri girl of the season with unearned points.

@Galaclar

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ot4ut3mg2k All jumps of anna are the same

@user-ot4ut3mg2k

3 жыл бұрын

@@Galaclar I thought by "two flutzs" two lutzs were meant. Anna has stronger components than Sasha so she is valued higher. Sasha had to make three or four clean jumps to beat her. But it was impossible because of Sasha's trauma of her hip. As for jumps, the judges as well as Russian fans don't care about the edges or blades. In Russian internet resources there are very few articles about such mistakes of our athletes. Its It's a great sin to criticize the work of Eteri's team in Russia. If someone does it, there will be a long argument with him. So ordinary Russian fans don't know about mistakes or neglect them not to lose their pride. Only those who know English language as me,for example, are aware and don't fly in the clouds

Anna was so overscored

And now Sasha did 5 guad😏😏

So...there is not much to say. Alexandra presented a 4lutz(rippon) and Anna presented a 4flutz.

@user-gg9uu9kx9w

3 жыл бұрын

Anna pretty much does a triple loop as both “quads”

@alexiadesantis6204

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-gg9uu9kx9w in fact it may seem like a 3loop beacause of her too much prerotation. (I want to clarify that I like Anna, but it is really unfair that she won the championship with fake quads ..)

@user-gg9uu9kx9w

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexiadesantis6204 exactly, hence why she should be given the base value of a 3lo and not a 4f/4lz

@againstthestones

3 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that these "judges" also gave Liza 1.7 GOE for her technically perfect 3lz. 8 total for Liza's beautifull 3lz and 16 total for Anna's disgusting 3flootz. Clowns.

Alexandra is the best ✊💪 for me

Amazing, I can't stop watching this!

Welcome back Single Loop!

@SingleLoop

3 жыл бұрын

:D

Thanks a lot! 🤝 Everyone should see that..

Annas landing was pretty but yeeez the take of, wrong edge and clearly a flutz. Annas free leg on the take of bothers me as well, it doesn't look good just sloppy. Sasha´s GOE was in my opinion fair but Anna´s should of been around 2 as well with an edge call.

@anaelivillarreal8830

3 жыл бұрын

Even though Sashas jumps have better quality Anna has complicaated entrances and transitions with highers her a better GOE both ladies work hard despite of these rough times

@user-gg9uu9kx9w

3 жыл бұрын

@@anaelivillarreal8830 yes but even with the transitions, Anna’s still technically jumping a triple loop and should be credited with that, not a quad lutz/flip :/

@Alina-phoenix

3 жыл бұрын

@@anaelivillarreal8830 she has difficult entries on other jumps not the quads. Please, watch the program carefully before writing that

@againstthestones

3 жыл бұрын

There was nothing fair. With that amount of prerotation, both should be downgraded for a cheated take-off. Wrong edge and a full-blade take-off for Anna and under rotation on landing for Sasha. Both should result in doungraded base and close to zero GOE. Sashas is a bit better, Annas is just awful.

@user-gg9uu9kx9w

3 жыл бұрын

@@againstthestones Anna underrotated her “quad” flooptz too, there’s a video on Instagram comparing the two on skatercentral_

This is disgusting. Anna didn’t even do 4 rotations. That GOE is completely ridiculous

@jaehyuni010

3 жыл бұрын

Yu na kim is the best

@nenavujicin7882

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaehyuni010 , Yuna was good, but what she has to do with Russian Nats and quadruple jumps? Don't understand.

@yenglor691

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaehyuni010 She is long gone lol.

@bulalayaocarljasper8597

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaehyuni010 im a fan of yuna but whats the point of bringing her here

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Scored low for Trusova unfairly

@magician7252

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think she was scored low. It's just that Shcherbakova and Valieva were both blatantly overscored in the sp and fs that it makes it look like Trusova was underscored.

На замедленной съёмке ясно видно, что одиночный лутц Саша немного докрутила после приземления.

@spjatkov

3 жыл бұрын

Ничего себе немного, ещё более замедоенно включите - там недокрут почти 180°, приземление лицом вперёд, докрут на льду уже. И никто этого якобы не заметил из судей.

@galaxytab1581

3 жыл бұрын

Зато GOE меньше, чем у Щербаковой

@arinayamsen2667

3 жыл бұрын

@@spjatkov Заметили две судьи и надбавок поставили 0.

@Alina-phoenix

3 жыл бұрын

@@spjatkov ну вы загнули думаю. Галку одну должны были поставить точно, но 180 это слишком. Угол съемки не идеальный конечно, но там точно нет 180

@metrom8961

3 жыл бұрын

Судьи добрые. Кого-то надо похвалить... Саша первая попалась. Относительно её и Аню пришлось перехваливать. Если б в другом порядке, оценки ниже были бы у обеих

Good to see Sasha using only her toepick

My opinion: I think Trusova was a bit underscored, she should be first or second.

@smilenews2224

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@nipaipo36100

3 жыл бұрын

i disagree. to me all the scores were too high but it was a national competition and the podium was correct. technicly the best is kamilia. artisticly the best is anna. sasha s 3rd place was right

@matthiasmueller346

3 жыл бұрын

@@nipaipo36100 when Kami goes forward landing like this with changing edges etc. she will not skate a long time. It's just so unhealthy for her body.

@olegrostov9722

3 жыл бұрын

@@nipaipo36100 ....artistically the best is Alena

@ingaiskhakova8123

3 жыл бұрын

She does not same qualities yet as Anna or Kamila !

I don't really understand about GOE's scoring... but I saw that Trusova taking some more time compared to Shcherbakova for the quads. Probably it affects the GOE? CMIIW. And yes, I agree that Trusova has a solid lutz!! And I support both girls don't get me wrong!

@Alina-phoenix

3 жыл бұрын

It shouldn't affect so much. Of course she has to prepare more because she really trying to jump a 4 Lutz with a good outside edge! With toe pick assist! And lesser prerotation! I think Anna uses her full blade take off because it is easier for her, because she lands them more stable. And I think she just basically can't handle only toe pick assist even on triples. So Anna jumps tow flutsez(floops)

anna should ask liza how to make a perfect lutz 😁😁

Everyone knows Russian elite female skaters are notorious for their Flutz. I think Trusova is the only one who executes the Lutz with the correct outside edge. The rest literally execute a Flip as a Lutz with the inside edge. At best, it is a flat edge. Kamila executed her triple Lutz with a correct edge in her free program at this event and actually surprised me. BTW, Shcherbakova executed 4 Lutz in her free program I believe (2 4Lz and 2 3Lz). She got away with +7 points in term of base value for those Flutz. Combined with GOE, she probably got away with +10 points in her technical score. That's ridiculous.

@doraziyanchen

3 жыл бұрын

period

@yanaavd2080

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not profi in figure skating, but i think we can see (0:44) that Anna executed lutz with a correct edge. Sorry for my bad english

@vuxdinh

3 жыл бұрын

@@yanaavd2080 That was not the correct edge. That was slight inside edge and flat edge at best. You need to look at the edge when the toe pick happens, not when she was simply making an entry to the jump. The 0:45 moment is what I was looking at. That was clearly not an outside edge.

@yanaavd2080

3 жыл бұрын

@@vuxdinh ah, thank you. Now i see

@tatianelois6450

3 жыл бұрын

@@vuxdinh i actually have paused it at 0:45 and tracing a perpendicular line to the ice, the blade still looks slightly outside, its a poor lutz but still one, and the entry it's not the only matters in a jump, there is the travel in the air and the landing too

Trusova better...hope she perfects the technique though

@worldpeace9522

3 жыл бұрын

No, she isn't. Her quads are not stable. And she doesn't have that choreo that Anna has. Anna skates emotionally, Sasha doesn't.

@bulalayaocarljasper8597

3 жыл бұрын

@@worldpeace9522 dear we're talking about their lutzes and the objective standards about those, not the emotions

@nothingisfree3534

3 жыл бұрын

@@worldpeace9522 eteri bot detected

Shasha’s goe so low. I feel disgusted in Russia judgement and suddenly Adelina sotnikova comes to mine🤢🤮

@AgustinaMaita

3 жыл бұрын

Alina Zagitova?

@viewxyz55

3 жыл бұрын

@@AgustinaMaita adelina sotnikova.

anna's quad lutz is flutz. Yes that's right. but her quads landed in full rotated range. (but of course she had too much pre-rotation. anya had 1/2-3/4 pre-rotation sasha had 1/2 pre rotation) so I think 4Lz! 11.50 +0.6 4F 11.0 + 3.5

@birevaolga

3 жыл бұрын

Anna in flip also has a "!", full blade and too much pre-rotation. so sad that incorrect jumps cost more than correctly done(not only about Sasha)

Flat edge 4 flootz with 1/2-3/4 pre rotation VS 4 lutz with 1/2 pre rotation

Look carefully, Sasha`s single lz was under rotated. This can be clearly seen in the slow motion. It's a big minus for scoring.

@lc4822

3 жыл бұрын

True. And Anna's is on the wrong edge. Should be minus GOE for both of them. But the one in the combo looked around.

@Deni-mt9bj

3 жыл бұрын

@@lc4822 not just wrong edge, she used full blade, not just a toe. I think Sasha should get higher GOE for her 4Lz + 3Toe

Personally for me Anna looks more like she is debating on whether she can do theses really hard jumps while Sasha’s look more consistent and powerful and also make them look less anxious

In my opinion, both girls are absolutely amazing but I think Sasha definitely has the better technique and Anna has the better movement (idk how to explain it, Anna makes it look easier).

Anna didnt even have 3.5 revolutions in the air. I care nothing about the landing if the technique is cheated. Of course u would get a good landing if u prerotate that much. Sasha also prerotates but her take off was at least correct

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3 жыл бұрын

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@user-my3pc6hv6h

3 жыл бұрын

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@alexanderbelov6892

3 жыл бұрын

Jump starts when she starts to move up. To the moment she is in the air she has to finish prerotation because it is impossible to prerotate in the air.

Lutz takes from the outside edge, and with the assistance of the toe pick from the opposite foot, just the assistance, jump must be done from the outside edge...without any prerotation. Therefore non of these is actually a correctly done lutz jump. If I have to, slight advantage goes to Trusova. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKF-1JOEe87bfJM.html

@againstthestones

3 жыл бұрын

ISU has actually implemented a separate rule for a strong prerotation called "a cheated takeoff". Jumps should be downgraded, but the judges don't seem to care.

@Aleks0709

3 жыл бұрын

@@againstthestones of that is the case, they completely disregard that rule... They go with 5 points + for GOE which is absurd

Аня не прыгает лутц, только если флутц недокрученный

@alexpolyansky

3 жыл бұрын

Недокрученный причём сильно вышел в этом примере четверной Лутц Трусовой

@TV-rt9xu

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexpolyansky ошибаетесь

@wintrusova

2 жыл бұрын

Согласна

1:12 Plushenko is like "yeah, that's my girl!" :))

Now obviously these scores are inflated because it’s Russian Nats but still the inflation in GOE is insane! I don’t think Anna’s 4Lz should’ve gotten almost 5 GOE, but her 4Lz and 4F here look like the most clean and best performed they’ve ever been. Sure her 4F has prerotation but it seems to be the norm today. Her body is so tight in the air, her landing was very clean and had such flow to it. I would say without a doubt her best quads ever landed. I also don’t think that Sasha should’ve received even 2.63 GOE for her Lutz with the landing it had. But again, it’s Russian Nats so you can’t really argue it

Personally, I am not a huge fan of Sasha, but she does have and is always trying to improve her jumping technique. She should have gotten a higher GOE on that lutz.

Sasha was robbed！Not only by judges but also Anna Scherbakova. Many people always think it‘s all judges’ fault，Anna is innocent. But I do not think so. Anna Scherbakova gets know well she is a flutzer, but she still use flutz jump FOUR TIMES per competition. Besides she has no any motivation to modify her flutz edge and enjoying judges’ blind to her flutz. That’s why I prefer Sasha now. She know her shorts and has more motivation to impove and achieve a lot improvements but Scherbakova never 🤷‍♀️

@dominiquedominique6462

3 жыл бұрын

Star Shi Spot on!

Anna's flutzs were overscored !!!

I see no difference in Anna's 4Lz and 4F

@Maryana K. I see your answer in my gm-box, but cannot find it in the field, so I just answer you in this random place. Of course flutzing is about not holding her outer edge, but this is widely discussed everywhere. So I just mentioned this full blade assist (or you can have “drop” if you prefer, but sometimes she fully shaves for short moment) cause this really gets me. It’s cheating too, Lutz should be fully rotated with clean pick. And frankly, we would probably not need this broad discussion about Anna’s lacking technique if it wasn’t for those horribly high GOEs she usually gets in Russia. No bad feelings towards Anna though, but Russian judges really know how to make clowns out of themselves.

Alexandra lo hace de una manera tan natural, tan lleno de energía y gracia

It's weird but i actually see the inside edge in Anna's lutz at 0:45 slightly but there it is, with great high position and clean landing it looks so effortless, i dunno why so much hate about it, pre rotation and toe picks are not that noticeable at human sight but definitely the way she rotates in the air is sooo beautiful and visible

Sherrvakova se impulsa con el pie de pique y no con el de despegue. Truzova tiene un verdadero Lutz completo full blade!

@Galaclar

3 жыл бұрын

Además de que tiene el eje correcto. Ana no tiene eje, no pica el pie, no hace las suficientes rotaciones en el aire y se lleva una puntuación como si lo hiciese bien. Es una vergüenza.

Let's see how it will go on the worlds. I am really interested to see the scores outside the national competitions

@asmaharbi2617

3 жыл бұрын

I think anna will be overscored like always

Anna's flutz is weird , I can even call it a 3.25 loop...

@tolgaguler609

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is extreamly prerotated and full blade assistance instead of toe assistance but she was scored +4 unbelievable RIP ISU

@user-ot4ut3mg2k

3 жыл бұрын

Prerotation of Anna is 180- 225 degrees. Underrotation does exist too, but not always. Trusova has a male body-building, that's why she has more opportunities to do jumps correctly. But Russians don't support her or don't shout for her because she changed the training team and they consider it as betrayal. Russians worship the team of Tutberidze, and if a sportswoman leaves it, the attitude of her fans spoilts. Thus Medvedeva got a lot of hatred and rude comments from Russians. Russians prefer the female and tender skating of Shcherbakova or Kostornova and they call Trusova "log" or "wooden". They say, Alexandra doesn't feel the music.and has poor choreography But foreigners on the contrary prefer Trusova's skating.

Sasha’s outside edge is more defined but both are spectacular

I don't claim to be any sort of expert on competitive ice skating, and I also don't claim to be an informed observer of it; however, it to me that Shcherbakova's scores are higher generally than the competition, given that comparisons are based on otherwise clean skating, because of her exceptional artistic interpretation based on the coaching she receives. Simply put, she just looks better doing it.

@hayday0158

11 ай бұрын

But you are getting points for the technique not for the look

20 points more than Alexandra, totally overscored!!! It's a shame....

@ingaiskhakova8123

3 жыл бұрын

Based on what ?!There are two programs,big distance in choreography and presentation,connecting elements ,spins ,all matter !its called figure skating not a jumping event

@vsevolod2491

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, no comments. We have to wait for international judgement, another point of view and then analyse the difference.

@magician7252

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingaiskhakova8123 Let's not start on spins because if I'm correct, someone made a mistake. How does one make 80 with a level 2 spin with negative GoE and Lz! and if you're talking about choreography, Trusova's was by far superior in the sp. At the end of the day, technique matters. So what business does Shcherbakova have, getting that much higher GoE over Trusova with sloppy and ugly technique? If you think that Shcherbakova deserved gold then you're simply just delusional. This event was nothing but a joke.

@ingaiskhakova8123

3 жыл бұрын

@@magician7252 that spin was an accident,she saved it as much as she could ,while Trusova spins the best she could do are not a match,as much as programs overoll ,now ,not takin away or downgrade Trusova at all ,she is just not there ,and ,this was her first ever clean event she ever skated ,while Anna is the most consistent skater ,you seriously thinking ,judges just will forget it ?!Keep your obsessed opinion ,let’s see what is the world will show !I wish them all best of luck !

@magician7252

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingaiskhakova8123 Exactly my point. How does one make that high with an accident? In my opinion, Trusova was scored fairly in both sp and free skate but Valieva and Shcherbakova were blatantly overscored. The fact that you're being oblivious to this is actually disgusting because by now, everyone knows that the 'Eteri Bonus' exists and it's no secret to the figure skating community.

flutz E !

Anna 4Lz is Wrong edge

Judges focus on the entrance outside edge and the exit landing yet do NOT pay attention on the initial toe pick? Most of these quad lutzes are full blade assisted so how is this even considered a lutz?

When Sasha get the 3A stabel and 3-4 quads too in an ISU competition. They can do the best spins and step sequence in the world. They will have no chance. There is nothing to discuss.

@ingaiskhakova8123

3 жыл бұрын

LOL!There is Kamila Valiyeva as well !

@matthiasmueller346

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingaiskhakova8123 yes that's true. But she is too young for the WC 2021!

@matthiasmueller346

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingaiskhakova8123 Kami is still junior level. Let's see and wait when she is 2 years older. The it's fair to compare. When the ISU is raising the Age to 17 she is also too young to go to Olympia too.

@ingaiskhakova8123

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthiasmueller346 I know ,soon ,and those upcoming Juniors ,one better then the other !🙀

@matthiasmueller346

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingaiskhakova8123 maybe. But they first have to go throw the Puberty. Sasha was jumping as a Junior already 3 quads. Kami is currently jumping one. When someone do 4 clean quads it's nearly done. You can not get this amount of points with Spins etc. Don't get me wrong. They are all outstanding athletes. But first they have to come to senior age. Than we talking again.

Anna = Flutz

Обожаю Александру❤️💐🇺🇦

+4.76???🤷I don't think so

Обе умнички и большие молодцы!

I mean i know how scoring works and Anna got way more GOE than she had to And i know her jumps are not as technically well done due to the overrotation and the edge But it looks so effortless, she rotates so fast, her jumps reallydo look beautiful. I know it's controvercial, but man

@iris7484

3 жыл бұрын

If it weren't for the hammer toe, I would overlook everything because her air position is beautiful, the landings are smooth and ride out beautifully even when they aren't perfect. But man does she smash that foot into the ice. It really takes something out of it, for me, and does draw my attention to the takeoff technique overall. But once she's in the air, it's just..*chef's kiss*

Хорошие фигуристки, ОБЕ!!! Гордость РОССИИ! Здоровья вам, успехов и побед!!!

pre 3/4 flutz with such a huge GOE 😠

Sadly not only in Russia 3,25 Flootz get huge GOEs and an Olympic Gold

I have a question... Are the Olympics judges fairer than the Russian judges? I hope that Sasha won’t be underscored in the most important competition. She deserves the Olympics champion💗

みんな跳ぶ直前でエッジの傾けが弱くなってるがさされないんだろうか。

Trusova’s goe scores should def be higher but i feel like anna gets crapped on way too much. Remember this is russian nats - problem is the worlds judges do the same crap. Anna and sasha are still doing freaking QUADS!!! And we should be celebrating that more

@horus7416

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree, trusova should have the dame goe, while Anna should get way less. Yes they are doing quads and that's revolutionary but they already get more points with the base value no need to also inflate their grade of execution

It’s incredible these ladies are doing quads. Congratulations!!!

Спортсменкам Этери никогда ребра не ставят и недокруты не замечают. Вспомните Медведеву, которой ребро никогда не ставили до ухода. Если вы правда считаете, что у Ани правильное ребро посмотрите протоколы гран при китая прошлого года, где на всех лутцах ей поставили "!". Сравните хотя бы ее тройной лутц с лутцом Юны Ким. Недокруты бывают у всех, но не ставить ребра это уже явно судейство предвзятое

@skgen6121

2 жыл бұрын

Я не поклонник Медведевой, но вы или врете или не знаете. Если посмотреть протоколы соревнований Медведевой за 2012-2019 гг, то увидим что из 55 луцев только 15 выполнено чисто, а 40 отмечено "е" или "!", что означает неправильное или непонятное ребро. Вот так.

Let's see in an international competition without corruption!! 4.76 Geo for an 3 3/4 Flutzi is such a joke!!!

@matthiasmueller346

3 жыл бұрын

It's more then a Joke. It's a shame for the Sport and for all the other athletes at all.

@matthiasmueller346

3 жыл бұрын

And btw Yuzuru Hanyu for example have to get then 5.00 +3 or something like this!

@ardjohnochab6872

3 жыл бұрын

will wait the true competition in olympic.

アンナシェルバコワ、プレロテ、フルブレードすごいんだけど…笑笑笑笑笑笑

@innkodaisuki

3 жыл бұрын

ですよね、、ファンだけどトルソワちゃん可哀想

sasha would receive more GOE with more transition steps before her jumps

@sophiezhang7258

3 жыл бұрын

it’s not about Sasha’s GOE is too low it’s that Anna’s GOE is too high

@nipaipo36100

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophiezhang7258 anna should not receive GOE for all her lutzes it s true but it s not enough and she deserved to stay in front of her.

@sophiezhang7258

3 жыл бұрын

@@nipaipo36100 not only not receiving GOE, but if her faults were counted then she would have deductions from her basic value which would have made Trusova win over her

@gklfffdkphkhhkfcki4859

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophiezhang7258 rusnats it’s called. what did you expect if you watched previous rusnats then you know that people get overscored here