Thank you Anna for this harrowing contribution. Computer Scientist here. My personal sentiment is that the, "cognitive revolution" created a paradigm in science ie. Thomas Kuhn's seminal text. I can't help but feel that the paradigmatic project toward, "mind machines" has more-or-less failed in lieu of recent developments in LLMs. When I was a teenager there was great excitement concerning, "emergence" and the possibility that a large network like the Internet might one day be a new, "real world example" for cognition level complexity emerging, "phenomena not accounted for in its mechanism." I'm excited for the day when the neopragmatism of Putnam or the Dewey-Rorty-James Pragmatism that we saw come into vogue in the 1980's/90's might carry us to a superior understanding. Is there a man-in-the-machine? No. There is a man in the man. That is good enough.

@AnnaRiedl

21 күн бұрын

Cannot believe I didn't mention Kuhn!

@RahulSam

21 күн бұрын

Glad Anna saw this comment! Very insightful.

"I'm obsessed with the incompleteness theorems" - as if they were designed to do exactly that ;) Like a reactive compound, which tempts curiosity, so it be mixed with all kinds of stuff, to see what happens. Stuff like for example and framed by today's mere coincidence: 1) computational irreducibility 2) the absence of closed systems in nature 3) ontology and belief systems in other species 4) perception, communication, language as processes of transformation; temporal observers living temporal messages.

@alecfraher7122

21 күн бұрын

@@DarkSkay the existent-nonexistent is called what by any other name?

Another great conversation. Coming from a math background, I recently returned to school for machine learning, was able to fit in a upper psych course in behavioral analysis at the same time. I still feel like behaviorism is really relevant and that on the map it should extend all the way to the present. Interestingly, anyone with a bachelor's in philosophy, they can make better money now than ever before just performing RLHF on language models.

@RahulSam

21 күн бұрын

Thank you! I never thought about the RLHF bit, but that's a good point, haha!

@DarkSkay

20 күн бұрын

What a plot twist. Who among the classics imagined that one day philosophers would be teaching talking libraries.

What an excellent discussion. Anna's map highlighted to me how much is left for me to get familiar with. One thing, if I may suggest, is to add a footnote that leads to anthropology which can reveal some profound intellectual insights.

@RahulSam

11 сағат бұрын

Thank you! Appreciate the kind comment. And point noted.

Anna is great

@RahulSam

20 күн бұрын

She sure is!

try Sha Xin Wei on Navigating Indeterminacy and Mind, Meaning and Mental Disorder: The Nature of Causal Explanation in Psychiatry and Psychology by Derek Bolton and Jonathan Hill a bit dated maybe but thoroughly thorough ...

@RahulSam

21 күн бұрын

Thanks. Will look these up.

@alecfraher7122

21 күн бұрын

@@RahulSam great Sam, Sha Xin Wei is just ... enjoy, Sam brilliant pod and guest

@alecfraher7122

20 күн бұрын

Sam, I lost the thread so 'the other within' ... here's a couple of refs I found of interest (i) Words in Blood;Like Flowers by Babette Babich (for Eros and Holderin) and The Early Buddhist Scripture by Dipan Barua, both available free for downloading; this is, I find, the new cognitive-edge of existence-nonexistence following Reshe/Kristeva, no?

@alecfraher7122

20 күн бұрын

oops The Notion of Fetter in Early Buddhism by ... Q: why is all this "taming" actually necessary? Reshetnikova is on point? no?