"Black speech is always incarcerated speech"

"Black people are political currency‚ not political subjects." - Frank Wilderson III 👀

spivak annoys the fuck out of me in this.... the anxiety of antagonism much lmao

@rana_9183

Жыл бұрын

Spivak just coming off as unabashedly antiblack. this is just embarrassing for Professor Davis.

yay

Thank god for this. Edit: There's about five layers of identity politics going on down below.

@corydk4834

7 ай бұрын

Stupid comment. The discussion of race relations will always involve identity. Are you slow?

@j.bright6802

3 ай бұрын

And whose fault is that?

What a power-force of a panel!!

Bruhhhh Kwame Ture would be extremely disappointed WTF... Everyone please read Kwame Ture "The Politics of Liberation in America" And "Modern Black Nationalism" by van den burg

@MsSugarDyme

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@jeanettesdaughter

4 күн бұрын

Nope. I knew the man. Studied the man. He would be quite excited by Afro Pessimism, to drill down and suss out more of the facts. Racism is everywhere and it is unacceptable everywhere. We do not need hyper empathy. I. Fact we could use a tad less empathy for others and insufficient for our own selves. We have a right to survive. No laughing matter, Professor Davis.

Please tell me where afro-pessimist writers have ever discuss black nationalism.

@jeanettesdaughter

4 ай бұрын

No one should have to tell you anything. READ. Do your own research.

Angela is WRONG. There is no Black Nationalism in AntiBlackness. It is a Meta theory. AntiBlackness is not Black Panther party. It is not Nation of Islam. AntiBlackness is critical of all! How can there be Black Nationalism in a world that is built on AntiBlackness. Come one, Angela!

I'm ashamed to say that I've only recently heard of Angela Davis but I am in deep admiration of her for fighting to improve the rights of black people for as long as she has and love how intelligent and articulate she sounds mainly because she has a regular sounding voice

@jahermos

Жыл бұрын

She fights to end the oppression of all people.

@benisturning30

Жыл бұрын

She’s never done that.

That moment when Angela Davis misunderstands Afro-Pessimism. We love her, but, yeah...

@maroonxx667

2 жыл бұрын

Tell us more! The people need it!

@sheeshhh11

2 жыл бұрын

wdym? im just learning what afro pessimism is.

Nothing wrong with Black nationalism...

Angela Davis, thank you.

...wanting to learn and absorb more knowledge about afropessimism. Came across this video & I'm trying to follow...but umm...🤔

@mightylaser0000

10 ай бұрын

She’s a Marxist and Marxist are inherently against afro pessimism as a frame of thought because it’s the antithesis of Marxist beliefs but that’s not our problem! What i can’t stand or abide by is these one sided attacks just because Black thought doesn’t accommodate them.

@yyyannuuu

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@mightylaser0000the foundation of my Black thought/radicalism was Marxism and I’m new to afro pessimism…I can’t seem to pinpoint exactly where these ideologies clash. Could you explain your POV further?

Its absolutely incredible that these people think they have the authority to be able to insult Angela Davis, who has done her time for the cause of black liberation, and who has become an icon for people all around the world. That all of that goes to waste because she dared question their orthodoxy is just astounding. She's done time, and they are angry that their favorite abstract authors are being insulted. Afro-pessimism is nationalistic, it is part of the black radical tradition, but its presuppositions depart heavily from those works that it claims to be influenced from. Especially Fanon. Not only was Fanon firmly indebted to alliances with other third world peoples, he was also a radical humanist! People saying read "the fact of blackness" should in fact read "by way of conclusion" in Black Skin White Masks. The whole chapter puts to rest any claims that associate Afropessimism with his name. It is a strange claim to make, when Wilderson insists that “the Afro-pessimists are theorists of Black positionality who share Fanon’s insistence that, though Blacks are indeed sentient beings, the structure of the entire world’s semantic field .. is structured by anti-Black solidarity.” It’s strange because Fanon never said such a thing. We are speaking here, of the same Fanon who wrote wretched of the earth as a reflection within the Algerian anti-colonial struggle led by the FLN. This was a black man whom in the capacity of psychiatrist and propogandist, stood by the side of the mostly Arab Algerian and Berber liberation front in their fight against the French. Fanon would never, like Wilderson, “shit on the inspiration of the personal pronoun we”, precisely because, he would use that very pronoun to describe himself as Algerian in countless propaganda texts against the French. Nor is there a discontinuity as Sexton puts it, between “Fanon the theorist of racial slavery and ‘negrophobia’” in Black skin, White Masks and “Fanon the theorist of metropolitan colonialism” in the wretched of the earth. For example, it is Fanon, the theorist of racial slavery, who insists in his conclusion to black skin white masks that “my black skin is not the wrapping of specific values”. Far from the anti-humanist he’s made to be, It is that Fanon, who insists that he is “not the slave of the Slavery that dehumanized my ancestors”, and that he would not be the victim of the promise of “the fraud of a black world”. Fanon was clear, his only demand, insofar as social struggle paves the way for disalienation, was for human behaviour from the “other”. This is the Fanon, even of Black Skin White Masks who is often misunderstood by the Afro-pessimists. There is a tendency that if you are to question their school of thought, you are told that you haven't done the reading. Either that, or you are light-skinned (lol). Unforuntately, there is a loud minority of people on the internet who seem to think that Afro-pessimism is so profound, that if you have something negative to say about it, it must mean that you just don't get it. And of course, because it is needlessly abstract, it creates a community who feel they are in-the-know.

@d.incubus2141

4 жыл бұрын

i am PRAYING for forgiveness from our ancestors because like wow. I used to just be ambivalent to afropessimism because i thought it was just ahistorical nonsense that is seductively popular due to the (genuine) antagonism people have to this tyrannical moment of liberal multiculturalism. but now, as a new rekindling of BLM protests have arisen, i am convinced afropessimism is a destructive and reactionary force. would love to connect comrade

@sennecawise7899

3 жыл бұрын

You are awesome and thanks for articulating this. People like you will make the world better. Solidarity.

@sennecawise7899

3 жыл бұрын

@TRIGSBY TRIGLIDYTI it is reactionary trash. Sorry.

@401Northwestern

2 жыл бұрын

No one is above criticism. Period!

@susucollectif6142

Жыл бұрын

Angela Davis came to Brussels, in 2021 ( for wich she was paid 30 000 euros ) she was supposed to give a talk, on abolition and the status of undocumented people. Most black grassroot organisations opposed the journalist who was hosting the panel as she is a negrophobic women, she has a record of harrasing ppl at work, steak work of black women, getting them fired and suing them when they dare to speak up. She also coerced an aspiring young comedian of filming degrading documentary and threatened his career. And the list is even longer than that. She sued people for comenting on social media on a case in which she got a black women fired because she dare to say that in the light of black people getting murder by the police in belgium and following George Floyd protest that was also big in belgium, we should havea a black host, to do the talk on abolition with Angela. Many wrote an open letter to Angela as king her to boycott the event or the host because of her negative impact on the black community. She refused and instead said a polite and useless" you have to listen to the critiques" in the begining of her talk and West on with collecting her money. A lot of afroleftists wanted tomeet her, I use to have admiration for her but she rather meet with whypppl and give a talk to the racists belgian institutions , she is not confortable with her own ppl and more so when they are poor. She talks aboutholland and France, she doesn’t know what is going on right now, here cops don’t go to jail and in France cops protested and striked to be able to keep the technique that killed George Floyd legal. In Belgium the cops attacked a Black european elected official she was 70 years old and they are still working today. In a context of multiple death and unlawfull arrest of black ppl in Belgium she chose to talk with the state and anti-black and mysoginoir journalist against the protest of all the black organisations but one thag is a multi-racial coalition of upper-middle class people. So yes she is a sell out. People, are people and they betray, she is all about the shmoney and fantasy coalition with white and non-black anti-black people... If she wasn’t a sell out she would be so glorified today by the mainstream. And i am not an afropessimist, but i am an Africa, and black nationalisme gave us our countries back even if it was only for a small time, it forced the white supremacists to adapt and replace thdmselves with black puppet, but Nkrumah, Sankara, Lumumba,where nationalists FLN was a multi-ethnic nationalistic movement, Cabral wrote an entire chapter in Struggle and Unity on how white libéral can never attack the system directly, however they May help us cross à border or two, only us can save ourself, and only thos among us who are already engaged in class suicide, Fanon was a nationalist and being a afronationalist isn’t like being à white nationalist, nor is it antagonistic to being a panafrican, as we understand the need for all of us to be free for all of us to succeed. Also because we are united by Ubuntu we understand we are one nation underattack a black nation, and as Fanon said, the violence of the oppressed isn’t the violence of the oppressor. Black nationalism isn’t based on the idea of blackness but rather on the idea of protection of black-life. And although i welcome the additional level of understanding intersectionality gave me it lack an economical and political path toward liberation. And her analyse fail to acknoledge the wealth extraction on going on our motherland the daily murder and rape of my fellow congolese people, and of the rest of bla k africa. BECAUSE americans thinks black is only american blacks , they fail yo acknkolewdge the ongoing black génocide on our continent and if u take à look at the murder in Black Africa, todayalso i morrocco, algeria’ egypt black ppl are killed. In lybia black ppl are enslaved, in Qatar, in Saoudi Arabiq, in Lebanon.. Chinese mineurs are whipping black kids in Ougandan and congolese mines, and u find compagnies from brazil to turkey extracting life and ressources on the continent. So yeahwe are at the last bottom, but that doesn’t others don’t suffer, but what is happening in sahel today isn’t happening in Malaysia or London for a reason, and if she knew more of this reality that exist for usthe postcolonial diaspora, she would understand that it’s time to retire. Mind that we don’t have any affirmative action, we don’t have equal housing, we have none of that here, we don’t even have any type of black whealth no black europeans is re ieving 30 000 eurow to talk to their racist. State amercians black should understand white europeans likeyour passport but tmwe don’t have that. We have the violence we live i and ourselves, i can ally with white arabs cause they kidnapping ours aunties and still are selling them today. I can ally with chinese because they are wgipping my nephews, of course u have revolutionaries everywhere but i am still waiting on them to denouced the anti-blackness of their society and group, and take action to prove that they are ready to dismentle them. We have done calling our traitors, traitors and we are fighting the black puppets, look at Mali, look at youngnigeria. What are our " allies" doing to fight anti-blackness in their communities? Sekou touré, Cabral, josina Machel, Winnie Mandela, were all black Nationalists... Most african militants are because of our history what we are not is micro nationalists as we understand our Nation to be multi-nations and blackness to be multi-ethnic. Because she can’t understand how we aren’t just black and why in europe we use black nationalism as an umbrella for multy-ethnic panafricanism.

Imagine thinking Asians were on Black people’s side just because a few came to a protest 😂

Yea her framing of afropessimism seems off bases, prioritizing solidarity hasn’t been as effective as we’ve seen

@bryanc7094

3 жыл бұрын

She doesn’t want to understand Afro pessimism, the multiracial coalition solidarity is a complete joke

This is a hauntingly imprecise critique of Afro Pessimism from an elder of the black radical tradition...

@senescence57

Жыл бұрын

Hey twin lol. I really thought I was the only one feeling a little disappointed haha.

@benisturning30

Жыл бұрын

Davis is not and never was down with the cause for black liberation.

@mightylaser0000

10 ай бұрын

She’s outright disgusting!

@FleetwayAmaray

10 ай бұрын

​@benisturning30 can you point me to the information that makes you say that?

@eternaldivide

10 ай бұрын

@@FleetwayAmarayHistorically, her interest in the black movement was always an extension of her interest in communist despite the reverse being true for many of the dead and currently incarcerated political prisoners of that era. One could argue that that’s enough, but that’s up to you

Liberation through socialism!!!

You continue to give life Prof Davis

Angela Davis don't represent the Pro Black communities. Damn shame.

Solidarity, Comrades!!!

I knew there was a reason why I didn’t feel so drawn to her. I can’t stand ppl like Angela, Black ppl as a whole have no allies. This notion to encompass everybody in our struggle bc they too “suffer the same thing” is what pacifies and bastardizes our movements to the point they’re forgotten. Just by voting choices alone in the US shows that “other poc” primarily vote opposite of us and not in our best interests. Anti-blackness applies to Black ppl and other poc, bc you can self-hate and poc have shown to be very anti-black. The day we realize we don’t have to rely on the validation of whites and everybody else is the day we’ll truly be free.

@SagesseNoir

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure that any people "as a whole" has allies, but people DO make alliances across racial, ethnic and other lines. And this has gone on for centuries. Of course those alliances may not be permanent. But they happen.

@chanayplease

4 жыл бұрын

SagesseNoir listen, Africans/Black ppl used to have many allies til we no longer held socioeconomic power over the world. That is not the case now and hasn’t been for centuries. Where are these “allies” bc a couple of individuals do not amass to the whole supporting our ppl. We sat here in movements, got laws changed for everybody else in the US alone. When has anybody else done that for us? When have these “allies” gave us money? Supported us? Voted in our interests? Changed laws for us? Black ppl do not have allies and won’t have allies til we start loving, supporting, and doing for ourselves. All while not heavily relying on the false allyship we’ve been receiving for the past 200 years on and off.

@kiriende3691

3 жыл бұрын

It a strange. What sickens me more is the people on that stage encouraging her to attack afropessimism know how their own communities talk about black folks amongst themselves.

@mightylaser0000

10 ай бұрын

@@kiriende3691that’s what makes this all the more offensive!

@Taylordessalines

4 ай бұрын

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I would love to know Prof. Davis's source for her claim that afropessimism "is linked to a kind of Black nationalism." If she could identify-- on the page-- why she thinks this of afropessimism, it might clarify how thorough of a reading she has given this extensive and growing body of work that includes Saidiya Hartman, Christina Sharpe, Jared Sexton, Joao Costa Vargas, Ronald Judy, the early work of Lewis Gordon, the early work of Hortense Spillers, and many others in addition to Frank Wilderson.

@SagesseNoir

4 жыл бұрын

I know Lewis Gordon and have read a sizable portion of his work. I don't think that HE self identifies with Afropessisism

@michaelbay8438

3 жыл бұрын

Omar, you are, respectfully, an idiot. Gordon has written an unbelievably large repertoire of works criticizing afro-pessimism; while blackness is obviously oppressed, it is not ontologically coterminous with slavery and death. Society does not necessarily require consumption of black bodies; it may require the consumption of some bodies, but blackness is not a requirement.

@flicfan416

3 жыл бұрын

this is why everyone clowns on AP. you're all such whiny snobs. "maybe if you would read" maybe if you would shut the fuck up, how about that

@TempestTheBlaze

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbay8438 ... Someone can borrow from other people's frameworks but depart from their work overall. Hegel and Marx, Spinoza and Descartes, Heideigger and Husserl, Heideigger and Derrida. It happens ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the time. Also if society doesn't require the consumtion of black bodies, then explain the exploitative extraction of natural resources in Africa. Moreover, explain the concrete history that Afropessimism draws on. People like you are just sooooooooooooo attached to the enlightenment and modernity. You look so weird out here, but okay.

@mirellalastar

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. isn't Lewis Gordon an opponent of afro-pessimism?

I really strongly disagree with her here.

Agree with her critique of black nationalism and her critique of the state (however, Davis has been historically pretty inconsistent regarding her position on the role of the state), but to link it to Afro-pessimism is bizarre. Achille Mbembe is one of the most prominent Afro-pessimists and he rejects the category of the nation-state. In addition, Frank Wilderson has been vehement in his Marxian critique of the ANC in South Africa.

@mohammedelnaiem3989

4 жыл бұрын

Mbembe is not an afropessimist.

@d.incubus2141

4 жыл бұрын

@@mohammedelnaiem3989 right thank you.

@kayla5381

4 жыл бұрын

Wilderson is trash

@alexmojica4783

3 жыл бұрын

right... wilderson's a materialist

@AP-pk6mk

3 жыл бұрын

Her take on black nationalism is also really suspect and super reductive. Kwame Ture's work alone would have to make her revise several things she said here

I'm sorry. She sounds out of touch and ridiculous.

@michaelbay8438

3 жыл бұрын

fuck you lewis

Yea she doesn't get Afropessimism... most people who have critiqued it openly don't and haven't engaged it or the theorists.

This is on the borderline of c♾️ning….Yikes

@3:58 It’s not Black Nationalism… because it’s not political. It’s actually a natural thing that occurs among groups called “Ethnocentrism”, and that’s why it keeps re-occurring. It’s the collective “self-esteem” of any group. Black people do not need to deny ourselves the freedom to establish a collective self-esteem among our group just to fit in with the concept of “Intersectionality”. If we can’t bring our self-esteem, then all deals are off… and just know that “Intersectionality” is nothing more than a form of covert white supremacy that again, seeks to have us, and only us, deny our humanity. F@ck that shit…

@d.incubus2141

2 жыл бұрын

Self esteem and ethnocentrism are the bread and butter of nationalist projects. Just because you claim to reject politics does not mean you can transcend the political legacy and conclusions of your ideology.

@Taylordessalines

2 жыл бұрын

best response here. The fact is Davis and others of her ilk, love whiteness and would rather integrate into it than be sovereign.

@Taylordessalines

2 жыл бұрын

@@d.incubus2141 you didn't address the bread and butter o what she stated.

@whitehurstv1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Taylordessalines The idea that a project to create a nation would not be political does not make sense. Politics is just people figuring out how society works. Just because you decide to not see it that way doesn't mean others aren't aware of what you're asking. Where is this nation supposed to be. Are you going back to Africa, read up on Liberia if you like. Do you want to take space from some other group of people like Israel, read about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Being a human is hard, and the issues we face don't get any easier because we share history, culture, or ethnicity. If you want the United States to give you land read up on the Indigenous struggles that have been going on since the european colonialists rolled up. Anyway you slice it, it's not an easy task to create a nation and just declare that ethnocentrism makes sense because self esteem. In any case self esteem is something that should come from a lot of things, like pride in who you are as a person, how you treat other people and yourself not which country you're from.

@rana_9183

Жыл бұрын

@@d.incubus2141 Kwame toure's statements on nationalism, and the implications of dialectal materialism thought through black and post colonial lenses, still rings true. Not all nationalism will follow the form of imperial and colonial nationalisms, furthermore, afro pessimist analytics and theories do not presuppose nationalism. There's a wild insufficiency of study when it comes to thinking afro pessissimism in SCHOLASTIC AND ACADEMIC SPACES (like how does this even make sense that these critiques are so entrenched in reactionary statements to "race-first" analysis.

She always has been an agent. We don’t need solidarity we need independence.

@SagesseNoir

4 жыл бұрын

Do you really imagine that Angela Davis was targeted by the FBI, by COINTELPRO, because she was an agent?

@jamberry8026

4 жыл бұрын

Show us proof or take a seat, please!

@endigosun

2 жыл бұрын

Calling her an “agent” isn’t appropriate, but acknowledging that she’s “off code” and out of touch now is very appropriate.

@plumjade4584

2 жыл бұрын

you are trolling get lost

@rana_9183

Жыл бұрын

unfounded claims aren't that helpful, but the energy is definitely there