If she only did ONE MORE rotation, then this wouldn't really be disputed...I actually think her LP was better than Fratianne's due to the safe and protected landings Linda did on her triple jumps. Frau Muller had her hands full with Anett and Jan Hoffmann at these Olympics!!!!!!

wonderful and thank you. dagmar

That wasnt the case actually. There were more Western Judges on both panels during those Olympics. The politics came because judges from Italiy and Yugoslavia were often paid by USSR and East German federations to give higher marks. Anett was a former world champion which is why she got high marks

Very odd ending, just kneeling down and extending one hand towards the ceiling as the music quietly died... An anticlimax!

At the 1980 Europeans , she attempted a 2 loop/ 3 toe loop but missed the second part of the jump combination.

wow Romy Schnider look alike * sorry about the spelling

She had bloc judging on her side for sure. She wouldn't have finished anywhere near the podium if the judging had been fair.

What was she so disliked? Don't know the history of this competition but this seems like she hit her jumps.

@timothychow177

3 жыл бұрын

She was trying for a triple in the 2 jump combination but ended up doing two double jump combination instead.

This was just the first head-to-head matchup that the U.S. lost in controversial fashion to a skater from an Eastern bloc country in the Olympics. In '84 Roslyn Sumners fell to Katarina Witt as did Nancy Kerrigan to Oksana Baiul in '94. In each instance the Eastern bloc judges were able to form an alliance and insure they would outnumber the Western judges that were present on the panel in selecting the gold medalist.

Was 2Loop+2Toeloop instead of 2Loop+3Toeloop. So base technical mark must to be lower than those who have made the triple jump in combination (Bilemann, Fratianne and Allen). So we can see this really lower marks 5.5-5.6 (for technical and for artistic, with no deduction). Where is "criminal" judging? Here only 2 judges from eastern "block", they could not make the gameю Australian give 5.6/5.5 not 5.8/5.5

Thanks to posting on ytube we can see the short program performances, and whether she was over marked or not she was too high in this portion of the program. She should have been 3 places lower at least. Her combination was nice but didn't fill the required elements. Her double axel was bad and her spins not very good either. I also feel Denise should have won the short program here.

@metsdudenj yes look at Emi Watanabe who also made a big mistake but whose overall performance was way better than this but got way lower marks. You can tell the value of having a bigger name in the sport.

Who won the short programme?

I agree with skatesindreams. I was never much of a Fratianne fan, so it wasn't so much the wuzrobbed factor that made me ??? Anett's placement in the SP especially after missing the planned combo and the wonky 2axel. I was more upset for other skaters who performed better in the SP than Anett but placed lower.

Fratianne did beat Poetzsch by a mile in the SP scores. Dick Button is wrong in saying their scores were close, they were about .4 total apart per judge on average. However Poetzsch was apparently that far ahead after figures. Poetzsch's short program scores should have been even lower too though of course since this wasnt even the 4th best short program, but she was held up on her name.

Her presentation reminds me a lot of Irina Slutskaya's circa 2000. Wild, and sometimes a bit rushed, Her posture stinks

Well I have no words. One earned the points and the other doubled her planned triple jump combination and won gold. Why didn’t the USFSA protest?

@metsdudenj

5 жыл бұрын

How could they? Linda bombed compulsories and even with first place in the Long she wouldnt have won, plus Denise Biellmann won the free skate

@robertsoslow733

Жыл бұрын

@@metsdudenj has anyone here actually seen Linda's figures? Were they worse than Anett's short? I'd be pretty surprised if they were really that bad. She came in 3rd, after all.

i was criticized for comments about this performance that was lacking technically and artistically but i stand by what i said.....terribly overmarked and she did not deserve to win in lake placid the judging was very political

@grantnoroyan9275

5 жыл бұрын

@@rolandgreen7484 good lord here we go again .......there is ZERO confusion on how she won however she shouldnt have won......yes she had a lead in figures but she was kept up in the short doing a double loop double toe combination when others did triples she should have been lower in the short and lower in the long and would have ended up 2nd where she should have been overall considering beilman and fratianne and others were just as good as she was however she had a panel that worked to her advantage and kept her high enough to stay ahead overall......that is the actual truth

It was a 2 toe.

Lenz was a no-name unfortunately though. She had no chance to placed ahead of a huge name like Poetzsch unless Poetzsch just sat on the ice for half the program. That is how figure skating works.

What's the Australian judge smoking here? 5.8/5.5?

floskate, you need to watch the short program of Sandy Lenz which is online. Sandy does all 7 elements better in this particular program, well atleat 6 of 7, I guess you could argue Anette's footwork sequence was a bit more complex. Her artistry was also much better. Yet she was placed 6th to Anette's 4th. This is a joke, and of course will call into question the judging of this event. She basically botched her first 3 elements with a double loop-double toe combo only, a badly executed double axel, and a weak poorly performed death drop. After that she settled in somewhat, but this was a 5.4 technical, 5.6 presentation skate at best for me.

@robertsoslow733

Жыл бұрын

and she traveled on her last spin. Not only was the combo very, very simple, but the loop was hideous

This was very unfair, considering the judges killed Emi for not completing her combination...and the rest of her skating was far superior to this !!!And her artistic impression marks are a joke as well... too high. This was really uninspired skating.

I liked her LP a lot, but her SP was blah...

She was definately overmarked.

I love her skating, and she definitely was a great skater. However, I must say, the marks she got for this particular SP were a gift from God. You need to realize that her combo was among the easiest one performed in the entire competition--compared to several others who did triple combos, and the double axel was a miss. Had she been judged fairly on this SP, I don't know who'd have won...

@waynehentley4332

2 жыл бұрын

A great skater? That's a good one!!😀😀😀

Absolutely horrid skate ! She should have been 8th not 4th, disgraceful that the judging held her up in this portion of the competition, she was gifted the Gold Medal her, she didn't deserve it, this should have effectively taken her out of the running !

The only female skaters that looked remotely artistic during the last two years of that time period were Lisa Marie Allen and Denise Beilmann.

This lacks so much passion/energy. Can't believe she was considered for Gold after this.

@russianskatingfan

7 жыл бұрын

Biellmann was absolutely HORRENDOUS in figures. Regardless of politics in skating at the time there is no way she was only 12th in figure if she was anything but awful. Janet Lynn who regularly came 4th or 5th in figures must have been even godly great at figures compared to Denise. It is stupid to say at a time figures were a part of the scoring she should have been the winner, regardless if the field was led by two sort of just ok skaters like Poetzsch and Fratianne at the time.

@russianskatingfan

7 жыл бұрын

***** I said in compulsory figures she was horrenedous. Which she was. 12th place says it all. She was a great free skater obviously, and remained a legend for many years with a stellar pro career (where thankfully for her she didnt have to deal with figures) but in figures she was awful. Even the great Midori Ito (like Biellmann and Lynn, a stellar free skater held back by figures) who was so bad in figures she was seen in some events like the 90 worlds hopping around in figures regularly places higher than Denise in figures. What does that tell you about how bad Denise was in figures, even Ito who was well known to have a nightmare time in figures was better than her. I also dont like Fratianne in the least, and am not even a fan of Poetzsch so you dont have a clue what you are talking about. I love Denise and her skating but she stank at figures, and that held her back in many events, including this one. Deal with it.

@grantnoroyan9275

5 жыл бұрын

one of the worst olympic champions ......double loop double toe combination...........terrible

Terrible skate... completely criminal judging !

Disgusting performance and judging !!

@grantnoroyan9275

5 жыл бұрын

agree

WOW she was god awful