Watching this on a phone was hilarious hahah

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Ha - the non-existent 40Hz boost.

@mrfibuli

3 жыл бұрын

Me too going mmmm canny tell.. Oo wait on me phone🤣

@markesquivelarvizu6942

3 жыл бұрын

On Mike Frazier’s, Bob Rock”s and Bruce Fairbairn”s from 80s and 90s the bass cuts through WITH overdriven guitars even on cell speakers....that is a feat in itself

@nickcarter4006

3 жыл бұрын

“These are the same picture”

YESSS, this is one of the reasons why Nevermind sounds so huge. Please if you could make more Andy Wallace related that’d be awesome!

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

I'm planning on it!

@psk1461

3 жыл бұрын

I dont really think that record sounds big because of a bass trick in mixing. They played larger then life. Its easy to mix a great song. Not that easy to fix a track. Polish a turd!

@martinlaferte

3 жыл бұрын

@@psk1461 I really agree with you, they played larger than life! But I gotta admit Wallace’s mixing really helped bring out the life in the recording, Butch Vig’s mixes lacked something that Wallace’s don’t (though Butch is still awesome)

@EverythingMusicRecording

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently the other aspect of the bass sound on Nevermind was the Yamaha SPX-90. I don't which tracks or which patch Andy used, but I guess he would run the bass through the SPX and print it to a new track, then blend that in with the original bass.

@themountainradio

2 жыл бұрын

@@EverythingMusicRecording I read that too. You can achieve the same result with soundtoys micropitch on setting III if I remember correctly.

Nevermind remains one of the best mixed rock records of all time IMO so when Andy Wallace drops a kernel of knowledge it's probably worth paying attention

Cranking the lowest fundamental of the bass and then cutting some low mids around 250-350 is a pretty common trick to get a big low-end without it going muddy. The exact frequencies to boost and cut vary by song but that’s the principal, if your boosting low bass/sub frequencies create a cut in the low mids for separation and definition. If you have electronic sub-bass frequencies and electric bass doubling it gets trickier. Sometimes I’ll cut all the lows from the electric bass, and let the electronic sub fundamental carry the section

@kensmechanicalaffair

2 жыл бұрын

What about splitting the bass between two channels?

@mrnelsonius5631

2 жыл бұрын

@@kensmechanicalaffair that’s an extremely common technique in hard rock and metal. It’s essentially a crossover distortion: clean sub bass on one channel, all the mids and highs contained in another, saturated. You can get bad phase cancellations if the crossover isn’t right, so it tends to leave a large hole in the low mids. In rock and metal that space is occupied by downtuned distorted guitars so it works a treat there.

@kensmechanicalaffair

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrnelsonius5631 I see, i kind of default to it because if the upper mids are too much, i just slide the fader down to taste, instead of using the eq to death. But now i see one of it's applications, thanks.

@IAmALiteralDragon

Жыл бұрын

@@mrnelsonius5631 Funny because I mostly learned production from metal and then crossed over to electronic/rap and have been using that technique for the 808s/sub bass to make it play nicely with the low end of synths like brass or whatever and have never put together that that was why I used that technique so much in my productions. Very insightful comment!

btw, for those that don't know and want to know: the boost in the bass is a very broad band with 18dB of gain.

@Automagi

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarifying. So what would I do to mimic the 1073 using FabFilter Pro-Q 3? Would boosting a shelf node at 40 Hz with 18 dB work?

@lordberly

Жыл бұрын

@@Automagi i wonder the same thing too

@Automagi

Жыл бұрын

@@lordberly I did a test using three different EQ's. I tried using 1) the FabFilter Pro-Q 3 with a 18 dB low shelf boost at around 50 Hz, 2) the Sie-Q from Soundtoys with the low end knob cranked all the way up, and 3) the Waves Scheps 73 with the settings in this video: 35 Hz, cranked all the way. My take aways are that 1) the Pro-Q 3 was very gentle and didn't really boost the low end much. It sounded okay but didn't have the musical effect I wanted. 2) The Sie-Q did a proper job of boosting the low end but also added a lot of boominess around 200 Hz. The low end felt lifted but also muddy. 3) The Scheps 73 did an amazing job and sounds great. It's pure magic when you crank the 35 dB. I would get this plugin for the low end boost alone. It adds so much low end (at the max setting), but somehow it doesn't sound bad. It doesn't add that much boominess - it's just musical and thick in the most pleasant way. I bought the plugin straight away after this little test of mine.

@IAmALiteralDragon

Жыл бұрын

​@@Automagi So glad someone tested this out

@evensteve284

5 ай бұрын

@@Automagi If you look at the VU meters on the Neve you'll notice that they're in the red the whole time. I think a large part of the magic that is happening here is that you're getting that Neve style saturation on the low end and then tailoring it with the SSL filters and compression.

Thank you for these amazing videos you upload on KZread 🙏

that's amazing & super simple, thanks!

WOOH...that sounded gorgeous when you cranked that 1073 plugin!

Nice! Cranking the 40 Hz EQ to the max and then cutting around 200 Hz. I will try that.

Great trick for bass sound EQ. Thanks for sharing. Cheers

Thanks a lot ! Many people underestimate how it’s fundamental to treat right the bass and how it’s easy to mess up with it.

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Really enjoying your tipps! Thanx!

This is really good. Just used this on a fairly simple ballad that I thought already sounded good and wow! Everything just tightened right up. Thanks!

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Happy to help.

Cheers Joe, one of the things I've been doing recently is splitting the bass and processing it separately, one that focuses on the bass neck sounds and one that focuses on the body. It's a Michael Brauer concept

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

I often do something similar with DI and amp tracks.

Outstanding

Incredible man, thnx for share!

That sounds beautiful

Man I love this channel! Gonna try that right away! thanks!

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Cool concept. I’m gonna try this on my next one.

Looks awesome, thx!

Such a spectacular piece of knowledge. I love this technique! (Now if I only can get it to work for me.)

thanks, so specific! & convincing example.

Great vid! 🙌🏻 Thank you!

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Much appreciated

Great tip!

nice tip. would like to see another video series of you mixing start to finish, the fabfilter one you did was an awesome series.

Amazing 🙏

That is awesome - sometimes I'll try something similar, but maybe with a Waves "MaxxBass" upfront, and then filtering/eq-ing in the bass buss. Great tip here!

Incredible

Great video thanks

that's gem!

Tried this with Slate VMR and works really well. Thanks!

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!!!! Just tried it and it’s awesome !

@GreenLightSound

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Yes this is awesome😍

Thanks for the tip!

@GreenLightSound

2 жыл бұрын

No problem!

Nice tip.. subscribed !

Definitely had that Wallace sound ! I wish there as more with him as well! Thanks for sharing

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@tonoormusic

3 жыл бұрын

He has a great Mix with the Masters series, where he mixes a song from front to back

Thank you!

Wonderful.

Great bass sound!!!!

Great tutorials

Great great tip ! Thx ! Got a new suscriber !

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

love it awesome

Great one!!! More of such tips

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

More to come!

@dablizzoduve4576

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenLightSound ❤️

Impressive!

i like this a lot. always learning from the masters. also, ignore the haters, this is a great video

Nice!

This reminded me of a pultec style eq trick which you boost somewhere around 30hz and attenuate at 30hz at the same time in order to get some really interesting heavy guitar sound

Muchas gracias amigo

Andy Wallace is the sigma of the mixing engineers. Working quietly, wisely, and precisely with success.

Wow many many thx appreciate it

wtfff??? that sounds so good wtfff

Neatest tricks for bass out there

Beautiful****

reminds me of indie rock bass guitar stuff back in the 90s.

I wanna try this but may add a tape saturation plugin first and different compressor after the Neve emulation.

Love this trick bud, thanks a lot for sharing. I have the scheps 73 also and it just sounds great on bass when cranked, would never have thought to that extreme but sounds superb!

wtf this works like crazy!

kewl tric thanks

This is kind of mimicking how the pultec eq works with the low end trick. I think i watch Jaquire King did this similar concept with the pultec styled eq. Cool stuff!

Hi great tip, reminiscent of the Pultec boost and cut. Note do you have the original reference where this tip from Andy Wallace originally came?

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

It came from someone who worked with him on an album in the 90's and took note of some of the techniques he used. He doesn't use much outboard gear, so nearly everything else he did besides effects was on the SSL board.

nice

Thankssss

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

nice technique

If u look at the albums that andy has mixed it's pretty undeniable he's the best mixer in the business

@tiffanysmith1465

3 жыл бұрын

How tf do you figure that? He's really good and accomplished but "undeniable the best"?! Thats just not true at all. One of the best... sure but I don't see him mixing the hits of today

@cellulose6322

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiffanysmith1465 that's why there are no more hits today

@tiffanysmith1465

3 жыл бұрын

@@cellulose6322 lmfao 🤣 you're living under a rock. I hate pop music but regardless the industry presses on. Tons of certified hits. "Blinding Lights" MASSIVE HIT, anything Billie Eilish touches MASSIVE HIT, Post Malone out the park every at bat, Bruno Mars (don't like that he's stuck in the 70s) but HIT after HIT.

@cellulose6322

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiffanysmith1465 FAKE NEWS No one who uses their brain likes that MK Ultra Psyop, that's what I mean, there aren't REAL musicians anymore they have ALL been replaced with artificial corporate stooges and sheeple have been dumbed down so they can't tell the difference

@gombloddo832

Жыл бұрын

Let's just turn all those "the best" statements into "one of the very best xxxxx(s)". And the world will be a better place.

Niiiiiiice!

I did a test using three different EQ's. I tried using 1) the FabFilter Pro-Q 3 with a 18 dB low shelf boost at around 50 Hz, 2) the Sie-Q from Soundtoys with the low end knob cranked all the way up, and 3) the Waves Scheps 73 with the settings in this video: 35 Hz, cranked all the way. My take aways are that 1) the Pro-Q 3 was very gentle and didn't really boost the low end much. It sounded okay but didn't have the musical effect I wanted. 2) The Sie-Q did a proper job of boosting the low end but also added a lot of boominess around 200 Hz. The low end felt lifted but also muddy. 3) The Scheps 73 did an amazing job and sounds great. It's pure magic when you crank the 35 dB. I would get this plugin for the low end boost alone. It adds so much low end (at the max setting), but somehow it doesn't sound bad. It doesn't add that much boominess - it's just musical and thick in the most pleasant way. I bought the plugin straight away after this little test of mine. Thanks for showing me the world of musical EQ's, @Green Light Sound!

I think this is working because despite cranking the low end, you lose low end from the compressor. Dumping a little of the low mids is a common move to reduce mud.

I might just not be getting something but how is it a trick to boost the low end and then compress it?

This is a true gem. I recently enjoyed a similar book, and it was a true hidden gem. "The Art of Meaningful Relationships in the 21st Century" by Leo Flint

Again, nifty! Thanks! I think I could use a Pultec for the 40Hz boost, right? Or must it be a bell? Would 60Hz Pultec be better? I'll try it....

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure the Pultec could achieve similar results. II would go with 60Hz since the boost is so broad and 30 might be too low. You might need a bit more EQ after to carve out some of the low mid mud.

I don’t have the Waves SSL G, I have the Brainworx version, and the switches are labeled differently. I’m assuming that he has it set up here with the COMPRESSION coming BEFORE the SSL EQ. Do I have this right? ~Thanks

Thx for the video. Little hint: Could you do a before/after comparison without Interruption, that means without stoping & talking. That would make it more helpful 👍

@mikemeengs4124

3 жыл бұрын

Happens a lot in these types of videos. Drives me nuts too!

@nicholasmullins3693

3 жыл бұрын

Listen on your car stereo. You'll find every piece of loose change in your car.

I would like to know how Michael Brauer does the A B C D buses inside the DAW, he calls it Brauerizing, you are good at simplifying ideas, and I love everything you post on your channel.

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'll eventually get to some Michael Brauer techniques too.

Thank you for this very helpful tip! I’m just getting into the world of mixing and wondering how this technique would work in conjunction with the kick drum in a song? If rock music typically has a kick drum mixed in a lower frequency range than bass wouldn’t boosting the bass at 40hz start interfering with the kick ? Thanks for any help!

@GreenLightSound

2 жыл бұрын

It could, but you often have to choose which one (kick or bass) you want to win in a mix. I often have a multiband compressor on the bass sidechained to the kick drum so the low end of the bass drops a couple dB on each kick hit. Helps them work together.

@reddoo8936

7 ай бұрын

It only interferes if it interferes. Sounds redundant, but what that means is that you can actually do both, and use your ears to determine if it works or not. If not, try something else. But if your mix just works with both the kick and bass occupying a good amount of low end, then it works

Really interesting. The theory of it makes sense, and obviously the sound is cool. Not sure if it's applicable to every mix, but definitely a good tool for those mixes where a big low end is paramount.

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good point - no processing is applicable to every mix. The key is to know what sound you're going for and use the tools to get you there.

@stockmanager

3 жыл бұрын

feel like if the song needs huge low end from the bass then you should have recorded it that way. and ok if u dont have time/money to go back and record then do this.

@phillipemery572

3 жыл бұрын

@@stockmanager I don't know that a lot of people want to track with a 30 Hz boost. I mean, could you? Sure. But it's just as fast to pull up an EQ instance and have this as a preset on the back end. It doesn't really save you any time to track it that way. Plus, it may be something I don't know I need unitl I get to the mix stage. I might need just a little of it vs. a lot of it and so on.

@phillipemery572

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenLightSound That said, I do think it might be a worthwhile thing to have on a mix template so that you can access it when needed. Might be something where you just want to have a resonance when the tonic is reached at the beginning/end of a chorus, just to underline it.

@stockmanager

3 жыл бұрын

@@phillipemery572 was thinking more try and find a bass or/and amp that has a large low end naturally. Get it from the source. If you didnt know u needed the bass doing what the trick in the video does to the bass until the mix stage then you didnt understand enough to record the song in the first place.

How do I get those plugins for Logic?

Great video thanks,,, i see you have Oxford inflator in your plugins, how did you get it to show,,, all my oxford plugins dont appear in studio one .

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

I just installed and they showed up for me. Maybe try uninstalling them and reinstall.

@DavidMohMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenLightSound im using the old version of oxford. Maybe thats why.. Vst2

An important part of this technique is that a real Neve 1073 will produce very musical saturation harmonics with that boost on the low frequencies, and later when you apply a high pass filter and re-EQ the lowest frequencies, you get rid of the extremely low ones while retaining the produced harmonics, which is what will ultimately retain the feeling of a big bass sound even when it's no longer intrusive. Now, using plugins for this, may or may not work the same, all depending on how well the 1073 algorithm is implemented on the emulation you use.

@danielkisel5661

11 ай бұрын

Yep so digital recreation of that would probably be using something like R-Bass or British Class A which has drive knob separate to the eq. Btw Scheps 73 isn't clean eq when you crank that preamp or even input gain into that plugin you will get some harmonics as well

Simple and cheapest way that works for me is rolling off at 3 or 4 k . Then raise the general volume and your 40 hz comes up in ratio . I agree that the sweet spot for bass tone is 300 to 500 and compression is the finishing touch . Most important , you must here the bass clearly on tiny mixing speakers ( within the mix ) . Monitor the clarity of your bass and drums as you start adding the rest of the instruments in the mix . Mid range instruments like guitar should be rolled off around 120 as not to muddy up the lower end . Compartmentalize the range of every instrument to avoid mud and cancellation of sound . If you are fortunate to receive a budget to do your work ... leave your home studio and let the big boys with their million dollar studios do the session . I’ve worked with Tom Lord Algie - you can’t compete with these guys and their complex bussing and equipment .

@Mdjagg

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you can!

Reminds me of the Pultec EQ Boost and Tame at the same time. Can I assume it has similar effect?

@delmixedit

3 жыл бұрын

Precisely

Great teaching voice with post/pre processing, did not have to strain to hear you and the music examples were at the same levels. Simple yes, but 99% of all YT audio teaching videos have me riding my volume through the whole video. (doesn't give much credit to those teacher does it :)

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great Andy Wallace! Greatest mixer alive!

How to do it on FL studio with their plugins

How should I do this if I use parallel distortion for my bass sound?

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

You can use the technique and still use parallel distortion. If it's too much bass on the parallel channel, just EQ out some low end before the distortion.

Just curious, why did you use stereo version of the plugins on the bass buss?

@GreenLightSound

Жыл бұрын

I use some subtle widening (chorus) on the bass, so the buss ends up being in stereo.

How do you know Wallace uses this technique? I can't find reference to it anywhere. It's great and works well so thanks for sharing but I'm just curious to know how you know that this is what Andy does. cheers

@GreenLightSound

Жыл бұрын

I think I got it from an old print interview.

Great video. Would you put these 2 plug ins on the bass bus or the Bass channel? Or does it not matter? Thanks

@GreenLightSound

7 ай бұрын

Depends on how the bass was recorded. If I had multiple tracks of the same source, I would buss them and put the plugins there. If I only had one bass track I would put it directly on the channel.

@talsophos

7 ай бұрын

@GreenLightSound thanks for the Informative reply. Much appreciated 🙏

On what freq is the ssl hipass? 40hz?

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

I usually set it just below 40Hz for bass.

I'm curious about how he would approach a kick drum in relation to this bass technique.

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Put the kick EQ emphasis a little higher, more like the 60-80 Hz range while cutting a little at 40. I often sidechain compress the bass so it cuts a little of the low end out just when the kick hits.. Andy Wallace is also a fan of the 1-3 kHz beater sound for kick definition and smack.

@nickanton7983

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenLightSound Do you need a dynamic EQ, like a fabfilter ProQ in order to sidechain specifically the low end? I haven't figured out how to do that with a regular EQ + compressor. The waves C4 doesn't have a sidechain, which is disappointing.

@josephgreenhalgh4041

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickanton7983 I use FabFilter ProMB to do it.

@maraboo72

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickanton7983 Use TDR Nova

@ad-xu2hp

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickanton7983 use tdr nova

I am confused. None of those plugs actually sound like the hardware. Yes the GUI and usage is similair and the reponse curves but the actual analog sound no. Is that right or am I mistaken?.

@thegroove2000

2 жыл бұрын

This could be acheived with stock plug ins if im mistaken.

Will you ever do a David Bottrill video?

I kinda hate the sound of SSL G series. I am amazed at all these guys who make them sound so good. No idea how that is done. Andy Wallace's work is mind blowing. Evil Empire is some sort of black magic.

@weareallbeingwatched4602

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashtavakra70 I mean... I get why people had them back in the tape and 8 inch floppy disk era... fully recallable desk with dynamics on every channel. Industry standard for a reason - mix recall. But they sound... brittle. Clicky. Grindy. And a bit thin. Like a cheap copy of an 1176 compressor, or a transistor overdrive pedal. Trashy transistor.

@gavmurray7398

3 жыл бұрын

@@weareallbeingwatched4602 thats why they have loads of racks full of outboard gear. if you just used the ssl g on its own it would sound pretty different to what you hear once its got pultecs and curvebenders and fairchilds etc etc etc patched into it.

@weareallbeingwatched4602

3 жыл бұрын

@@gavmurray7398 Euphonix and Otari made much better fully automated consoles. The SSL signal path has so many miles of wire in it, if you start cascading things, you can measure the latency using a CD burner. SSL G is a very compromised and scary machine. The op amp topology enabled the use of cheap components that sounded pretty horrible without some very clever tricks. Met the guy who designed the thing and he explained it to me. I could follow about 3% of what he was saying. He moved on to Audient. Contemporary semiconductors are just a different story, so there is room for smashing analogue consoles that are computer controlled. Neve 88R etc. The new SSL stuff is running a modded version of windows, runs dante, and sounds proper.

wait but he’s doing a low shelf at 40, then filtering up to 40? isn’t that just gonna create essentially a small boost at 40?

What settings are you using with the compressor in this example?

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

Check the video at 1:55. The settings are on the top right in the SSL dynamics section.

@burnradio9681

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenLightSound Thanks, I thought they might be. My eyesight is not what it used to be though lol. Gotta get a closer look then :)

1:43 "Push it all the wayyyyy up"

How is this different than just using the SSL? Is the EQ curve of a Neve something the SSL can't replicate?

@GreenLightSound

10 ай бұрын

The curve may be different, plus the Neve has a "weight" to it that the SSL doesn't. I'm sure you could still get similar results with an SSL.

Don't forget the Chorus he uses on just about all his bass tracks 👍

@GreenLightSound

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't! - kzread.info/dash/bejne/paCHyqhxecKwhJM.html

@dachreport

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenLightSound ah thanks. I didn't see this one. Great video BTW 👌

I learned a less refined idea of this for Bass or kick- on an aux channel, low pass cut everything above 60hz. crank everything below 60hz., compress it almost to death, a little distortion is fine, blend a bit of this with your clean track. this works with any gear

What if the 35 hz isnt in the key of the song? Should i change the super low 35hz to match the key the song is in?

@GreenLightSound

Ай бұрын

Nope, no need to match key.

@SuperSpecialWorld

Ай бұрын

@GreenLightSound thank you very much! It means a lot to hear the answer from you. I've been having a ruff morning and man, you answering my question gave me a much needed smile. Thanks again and goodluck!