Yep, once he said that the Old Testament was not relevant anymore, I stopped attending his Church in Atlanta.

@robbysmith7244

2 ай бұрын

I live in the ATL area. Where do you go now?

@corpnupe85

2 ай бұрын

@@robbysmith7244 I attend the Church of the Apostles. They never closed their the Church. I have been attending since April 2020.

@janawalczuk833

2 ай бұрын

Us, too. Wise thinking✝️

@tinadehart3526

2 ай бұрын

I was stunned when I saw his say that! There’s so much apostasy going on. We’re definitely watching prophecy happening right before our eyes. Such exciting times for true believers.

You cannot argue with scripture, it speaks for itself

Amen and Amen! The whole of the Old Testament points to Jesus and the Gospel! \o/

When Pastor Lawson gets this worked up, you know you done messed up.

@charlottecolon6704

2 ай бұрын

😂

Once you get Steve started, he becomes an absolute steam roller!

@gracenmercy579

2 ай бұрын

lol he sure does.

@tinadehart3526

2 ай бұрын

He’s awesome! So is MacArthur!

Apparently Andy Stanley is more concerned with growing his congregation than he is with revering the Holy Word of GOD.

@redsky8763

2 ай бұрын

Just like his daddy ... growing his television audience.

@amcds2867

2 ай бұрын

@@redsky8763 his father was a true man of GOD.

@k.popper2620

2 ай бұрын

Andy Stanley has a goat farm, not a church.

The fact that A. Stanley has also threw out the New Testament now 🤭 If you throw away the whole Bible then all you can do is make up your own god. Great video.✝️

@tinadehart3526

2 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@tinadehart3526

2 ай бұрын

The Old Testament points to Christ! Throw it out? Like what????

Love this man and his straightforwardness calling sin for what it is and no sugar coating

I wish that I had discovered Steven J Lawson much earlier than I did!!

What a joy to listen to Lawson. I love to hear his rillings.

Love Steve Lawson. I can never get enough of him. Glory to God.

@biffalobull2335

2 ай бұрын

He’s just a man

We love steven lawson don't we guys

Amen and amen. Thank you Dr. Lawson for speaking truth and facts. More needs to be done in this area as many in the body of Christ are being deceived and hurt.

Amazing! Defender of the faith!

Preach it Dr. Lawson

Thank you for sharing biblical truth.

Charles Stanley had to of been heartbroken with Andy going to the dark side .

@Mojo32

2 ай бұрын

Though did he ever show that he was heartbroken because of it? Did he ever publicly proclaim his son's heresy?

@user-sr9oy1uo4h

2 ай бұрын

@@Mojo32 Charles had integrity I'm sure he wouldn't of publicly chastized Andy it would be in private . None the less Charles son Andy is a grown man and his teaching will be between the Lord and Andy .

@Mojo32

2 ай бұрын

@@user-sr9oy1uo4h I didn't say "chastise." Yes, Biblically he would've gone to Andy in private first. Then if Andy hadn't repented, he wouldn't then gone with other brothers to Andy. He then should've told others that what was being said is heretical. No doubt Charles was asked about Andy's heretical teachings.

@user-sr9oy1uo4h

2 ай бұрын

@@Mojo32 yes your right but the other brothers would not of Gone public either . We are not to take our grievances before unbelieving people's.

@Mojo32

2 ай бұрын

@@user-sr9oy1uo4h "...before unbelieving people." Why are you conflating this? Didn't imply, much less say anything about spreading "grievances" (as you stated) to unbelievers, of course if that is what was/is happening then of course it would be wrong... Starting to seem like you may be in defense of Andy here, but hopefully that isn't the case. I am now guessing that you don't believe that fellow brothers and sister in Christ should tell fellow brothers and sisters in Christ (especially teachers/pastors) when they are speaking things that are anti-Biblical.

Amazing...he unveiled sooooooo many points here from memory. What a man of God.

I think Pastor Lawson is one of the greatest Preachers of all time, but when I hear him talk I can't un-hear David Lovy doing his impersonation 😂❤

Glory to God! Thank you brother's for doing this!

Love seeing these two guys get to the heart of things.

Go Steve go.

Amen Pastor Lawson!!

I got scared to death when I saw only 351 views, then I noticed it was posted an hour ago. Thank you Costi. Thank you Dr. Lawson. I’ll pray it’s in the 10k range at least by tomorrow. With most of those being from within Andy’s little apostate movement.

@DOno293

2 ай бұрын

Don't be scared... Why are you scared of these meaningless views count? Tremble all the more before the Lord for Him to keep us from swaying left and right with every wind of doctrines as in the last days. Be steadfast in your faith and actually study the word of God so you may have the true peace of Christ whether this video has 1 view or a million views.

@ToOpen6seven

2 ай бұрын

@@DOno293 Amen!

@mattd398

2 ай бұрын

​@DOno293 How do you know you are the one with the correct and unswaying doctrines?

@RikSandstromCalifornia

2 ай бұрын

@@mattd398How do you know he's not? 🙀🙀

@ethanvaughan8089

2 ай бұрын

17,732 early the morning of 4/4/24. I've added one more view to this as I hope to see the weakness in Stanley's preaching come to light. May the false prophet that he is become apparent to all who believe.

I love listening to Pastor Steve Lawson. I am autistic and having background music is very difficult for me when I am trying to concentrate on something but I am thankful for closed captions.

@robinwilliams9439

2 ай бұрын

I Agree 100%...music is So unnecessary!!!!

Brother Costi, thank you & great to see you surrounding yourself with sound expositors of God's Word, like together with Brother Steven here; being a beacon of light within a world filled with false heretic teachers like sadly Andy Stanley has become. I'm so thankful for you remaining to be an anchor of Biblical truth for all, as well as within your own family & I pray that your example will continue to cause deep change within many more lives.

EVRY SINGLE New Testament doctrine that we hold as bible believing Christians has its foundation in the Old Testament. EVERY SINGLE ONE. NO EXCEPTIONS.

@TheSaintFrenzy

2 ай бұрын

To untether the OLD from the NEW renders the New Testament incoherent. Thus you can create your own version of Christianity based upon ARBITRARY beliefs imposed into the text or completely void of any text at all. 🤦‍♂ That’s what Stanley is doing here.

@paulstone8900

2 ай бұрын

This is not what Andy believes. Go listen to the entire series and not just convenient soundbites taken out of context.

@TheSaintFrenzy

2 ай бұрын

@@paulstone8900 Can you sum up what Andy believes?

@paulstone8900

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSaintFrenzyYes ... b/c I took the time to actually listen to what he says and not just soundbites. Do yourself a favor and go do the same.

@johndibert5509

2 ай бұрын

@@paulstone8900when is the last time you heard Andy do an in depth Bible study on an OT book. His view on not saying the Bible says and his gay affirming seminar show how off the rails he has gone. BTW I used to be a huge fan of his and went to his church a few times, not anymore

Biblical truth…love it 🙌🏻👍🏻👍🏻😇🙏🏻♥️

I think I'll take Jesus' own assessment of the usefulness of the OT over Andy's: You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. - John 5:39-40

So sad that Andy shifted to appeasing culture.... he was quite an influence in my early years of ministry. Bummed to see him today

Thank you sharing this video and defending the truth.

Preach it, Steve!! Amen!

AMEN!

Amen and Amen!!

Great summary. When Jesus quotes Gen 2 in Mt 19 and explains how He was revealed in the OT in Luke 24 it’s crystal clear that the Gospels are irrevocably “hitched” to the OT.

I believe Andy Stanley is spiritually Oppressed.

@sandygamble6051

2 ай бұрын

Is that what we now call a false teacher?

This was so good. Confirms how much the Bible means as a whole. Amen

I love Dr Lawson’s sermons.

The apple does indeed fall far from the tree. Sad

The divorce of Scripture from the OT attempted by many is due to many desiring a Jesus separated from the OT God. They want a pacifist Jesus who wore sandals, preached love and Socialism, and got down with the sinners, never preaching repentance. So, they gotta trim as much of the Bible away and twist whatever remains so they can to get the Jesus they want.

@marebear09

2 ай бұрын

Yup, which ends up being "a Jesus" that doesn't save. Scary stuff.

@taylorharbin3948

2 ай бұрын

I hear something like that every day. They need to read Revelation 19:11 and 20:11

Yes, may we all children of God live in continual repentance and be humble enough sincere enough to answer the calls of public repentance that fella brothers ask for with wisdom

All Scripture is God breathed...

Also, in Matthew, the OT is quoted many, many times!

Thank you Pastor Costi and Lawson. Old Testament like Ken Ham does it. THOROUGHLY!

@BeefyPreacher

2 ай бұрын

Ken ham 😂😂

#Dr.Steve Lawson Thank you and Bless you I value and hold the entirety of the Bible. But your explanation just increased my knowledge and understanding of The whole of Scripture and appreciation of the Book of Romans and the whole Bible . ❤️🙏🏻😇 God Bless you

The Old Testament is beautiful when you see everything from the stories to the law to the Psalms and songs through the love of God in Jesus Christ. To understand that God is love and that He truly doesn’t find pleasure in the death of the wicked and when He cleansed the Earth in Noah’s time it was a kindness to keep more generations from hopelessness and in Egypt He gave Pharaoh every chance to humble himself before He took His people to take possession of their promises and wiped out nations because of their wickedness that was going no where good while still saving a few out of them.

Much needed teaching for the faith family. Thank you

So good I had to watch it twice.

Awesome council on the full council of God's word.

Absolutely, amen!

Amen !!!

Wow, all I can say is amen

Blessed is the man that walk not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stand in the way of sinners, nor sitting in the seat of the scornful. 😅

As a former member of NP, these seeds were planted long ago. I feel duped bc there were concerning comments made from the 'stage' that I failed to follow-up on...I was wrong. There was a concerted effort to bring the NP congregation to a place where God's design for sex was outdated and even God's very word is outdated. The fear of God has left the building and the hearts of the leaders. 😢

John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." Jesus was referring to the Old Testament here. Since the Old Testament testifies of Jesus, it means we can learn more of Him when we read it. It's imperative that we do so.

Amen!

Truth!

Just where did Jesus get his sayings? (Admittedly this is poorly phrased) When Jesus was answering the Devil, did Jesus make those up? When Jesus answered what the greatest commandment is, where did he quote from? When Jesus was asked, are you the one the Jews have been waiting for, where would one get the context for that? When Jesus was transfigured, why was Moses and Elijah present? When Jesus died on the cross, where did this mission start and why did it start? God bless you all brothers and sisters and have a blessed day.

@cindyrehder1164

2 ай бұрын

All quoted from Old Testament. The OT is a foreshadow of NT.

Love it when Dr Lawson goes on a preaching righteous rant🙏

@ubombogirl

2 ай бұрын

love the passion in him that gets him so wound and cuts it loose! truth!

@happygirl65

2 ай бұрын

❤

Well there you have it, makes sense to me!

Love the fervent response!!

I recall, "God said it. I believe it and that settles it." More and more ministers are dumbing down Scripture. Run away from them!!!

As more continue to fall....

@patrickc3419

Ай бұрын

Alistair Begg….Josh Harris….Mark Driscoll…and basically anyone who was a “Christian musician” from the 80s/90s/early 2000s.

Jesus when tempted by Satan said, "It is written....." Therefore, as followers of Jesus/Yeshua we use the Sword of the Spirit which is the "Word of God," at our spiritual enemies in Jesus' mighty and undefeated name, as He taught us to. Judgment begins in the House of the Lord! It is here Saints! Stand firm!🕊️🔥👑

C'mon, Lawson! Stop beating around the bush! Tell us what you REALLY think about it!! 😁😁 Love this guy!

Not surprising that Andy would turn out this way. The Old Testament had plenty of stories of ungodly kings who descended from godly kings. The story of King Manasseh is told in 2 Kings 21:1-18 and 2 Chronicles 32 and 33, and he is also mentioned briefly in Jeremiah 15:4. Manasseh was king of the southern kingdom of Judah and the son of the godly king Hezekiah. Hezekiah had undertaken reforms in Judah to rid the land of idolatry. Manasseh, a wicked king, reversed these reforms and did much worse.

God is not human being that should lie, nor the son of man who should repent, if he said it shall come to pass. 😮❤

Thank you Dr. Lawson for taking Stanley to the woodshed. You spoke the truth in love, out of love for Yahweh and His truth. Hopefully Andy will repent….he has no excuses.

@paulstone8900

2 ай бұрын

Actually he took Andy out of context and ranted and raved over something that Andy does not even believe. Maybe Andy is not the one who needs to repent in this instance. Speaking the truth in love as someone who is a) not a fan of Andy Stanley, b) reformed, and c) cares that we reformed types handle these type of situations with grace and honesty. One simply has to listen to Andy's entire series when this statement was made to know Lawson takes him out of context. We can do better.

@Mojo32

2 ай бұрын

​@@paulstone8900Nope. Put Andy "back in context" for us then since you FEEL that Steve (and countless others who've heard the same words from Andy) are wrong.

@paulstone8900

2 ай бұрын

@@Mojo32lol - it is amazing how lazy keyboard warriors are. Again - the burden of proof is on the accuser. Why is this so difficult to understand? Oh that's right - it is easier to throw out labels and buy into soundbites than it is to actually do the work required to make these type of accusations (Lawson included).

@Mojo32

2 ай бұрын

@@paulstone8900 You're correct, so why didn't you follow the "rule" with your burden of proof when you accused...? Again, countless Bible believers have called out Andy's heretical teachings like this, WITH biblical proof! Check yourself, you really aren't as intelligent as you're trying to come across and by attacking others.

@paulstone8900

2 ай бұрын

@@Mojo32what are you talking about? I have not accused anyone of anything that requires a burden of proof. I simply said the accusations made against Andy in terms of his "unhitched from the OT" statement requires someone to listen to what he said in the context of his series of sermons and the subsequent explanations. That did not happen with Lawson and multitudes of others on the thread who joined in and made even more severe accusations against Andy (including your accusation of heresy). I simply asked for clear examples of each - evidence Andy actually meant what Lawson is accusing him of (burden of proof is on Lawson to show Andy meant what Lawson is saying) & more importantly - evidence Andy is an actual heretic based on examples of his heretical teachings. With the "countless Bible believers" (which I am also a reformed Bible believer by the say), it should be simple to provide this evidence. You don't seem to be able to provide it ... which takes us back to "countless" amount of biblical evidence we do have that warns against speaking falsely against believers. Since there are so many examples of people calling out Andy's "heretical teachings" with biblical evidence (which not even Lawson does in the video), it should be simple for you to provide clear examples. Otherwise I will simply take your words for what they appear to be - accusation without substance. We can do better.

Hebrews is another example of the OT into the NT.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." (2 Timothy 4:3) God is love but God is also holy. We cannot downplay either of these.

I remember something I learned many years ago as a very young man in a Bible believing church in Arizona: the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. While living in Atlanta I lived much closer to Andy Stanley's church but drove into Dunwoody regularly to hear his father, Charles Stanley, at his. All those years in Atlanta I never attended North Point Community. I'd go to Perimeter Church, a mega-Presbyterian Church of America-church pastored then by Randy Pope, before I'd spend a morning listening to Andy Stanley. Bottom line: Unlike the old hardware commercials, THIS Stanley won't help you do things right.

@wendyaymond3421

2 ай бұрын

I loved Perimeter Church when I lived there many years ago before Randy Pope retired…Randy knew Andy, and I hope Randy-who was meticulous in teaching the Bible-had a deep conversation with Andy.

Please pray for the Christian Missionary Alliance. They are about to get shredded under judgement. Part of their curriculum for becoming an official staff member includes Andy Stanley, Wayne Grudem, and A B Simpson. It is also highly likely in their next general counsel (Summer 2025) they will adopt a policy for ordaining women as pastors.

@robertgates1837

2 ай бұрын

This is not true. I serve on a Licensing and Ordination Council in the C&MA. Each district adopts its own required reading list for licensing and ordination. Our district has NO Andy Stanley book requirement. I can’t speak for other districts, but it is misleading to say that the entire C&MA requires “staff” to read Andy Stanley as a curriculum requirement. BTW, I wouldn’t touch an Andy Stanley book with a 10 foot pole, and neither would our C&MA Ordination Council!

@michaeljguy

2 ай бұрын

@@robertgates1837 interesting (and I agree with that last statement). Does your district use something called the LEAD program? Because that is what has his book in it. I would have to look up which one, I don't remember. Edit: It is called "Communicating For A Change" I started finding out all this stuff out recently. I am genuinely terrified for the direction that (at least part of) the denomination is going.

Git it, Lawson!

For the Calvin!

❤

Ok Steve , now tell us how you really feel. Haaaaa ❤️

Use the media to share the Gospel not to cause debate or division. The devil love it when believers destroy each other. Want to confront the truth to a brother who may be wrong? go to that person and gently instruct him or her between the two of you. Remember we all were once ignorant in the Bible. Bible school shouldn’t make us big headed but give us a bigger heart to speak the truth in love.

People like Andy Stanley need someone with common sense and more wisdom to help them when they go astray. And boy has he lost his way. Sad. I listen to his father regularly and feel sorry that his son is so messed up.

🔥 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

I wonder if these guys actually read Andy’s book ? If they did they def missed what he was talking about - and then made a video on it

I agree with Andy.

"I can tell" 🤣💥

It truly is sad when one sees a minister's son turn apostate. Although we should not be surprised. How many times do we actually see that take place with the son's of the different Kings of Israel and Judah, throughout the Old Testament, nonetheless. Maybe that's why Andy wants to discard it. The O.T. provides illustrations, in spades of what Andy, himself is: an apostate, false prophet. May God have mercy upon him and grant him repentance.

Yet Charles affirmed Andy's ministry even after this came out.

In the book of Revelation says you are not to add to the Bible or take away from the Bible Last chapter in Rev.

You are too gentle Steve: Stanley's was not a bone-headed comment -- rather a full-on evil rendering from his ideological/theological base. Did Stanley ever repent? Nice Job with this presentation, both of you!

Ngl, Andy was/is my fav pastor because he lead me towards Christ again and reignited my faith. However, I do disagree with him on a few issues, which should be allowed imo. He does make very good life altering sermons avout how to ebtter your life, and his view of the Bible is (imo) correct most of the time. But I understand if people disagree with Andys message. But I am mixed.

Background music😮

Naild it

In proportion to our abandonment of God are we taken care of by God. Therefore, we must surrender to the Will of God(Inner Christ) if we truly Desire to Discern the Movements of God within.... Remove the False Image of a ME separate and apart from God.... The Christ is the act of Eternal Life living Within its own Infinity, and becomes Demonstrable without through the Receptivity of the Crucifixion of the Self separate and apart from God.... The Christ is ALWAYS ALIVE IN US, but we must be Alive to the Christ.... We are either awake to good and evil(matter/mortality/false sense), or we are Awake to Divine Perfection(Spirit).... When we are not attuned to Divine Consciousness(Eternal Life, Immortality, Truth), by default, we are attuned to Mortal Consciousness(karmic death, mortality, form, evil, etc).... Every communication Unfolding from God within is to make the Spirit/Soul die to the Self, as the Purpose of the Soul is to take Dominion over the mind(the world that must be overcome).... We must separate ourselves from the Mortal Delusion(s) of our Adversary, the World Mind and it's mortal thoughts.... The Christ Within asks one thing of us: Crucify the Belief in a Me Separate and Apart from the Immortal, Omnipresent Spirit of God, as there is no more Glorious a Demonstration than the Transformation from mortal sense to Spiritual Immortality.... The massive wall we have built shielding us from our truth lies in intellectual concepts, also known as Graven Images of Mortality. What is of God is Infinite, and what is not of God is an Appearance of a False Image where Only God is.... Heaven is where you are, and the only place that you can ever be, yet Hell is the place that you insist on experiencing.... We cannot glorify the Father, and glorify the flesh, or the sense of a personal Me separate and apart from God(including the flesh of jesus). Our Consciousness can not be divided in this. Either God is or God isn't the Only Life, and our experience is the Demonstration of either/or, depending on our receptivity to Life(Immortality), or Death(Mortality)... Where there's a Me(human self-love and human self-will) separate and apart from God there is SIN..... SELF...................S INDULGED..........I NUISANCE.........N Me, not God, therefore, ME knows better than God, and because ME knows better, ME MUST suffer the consequences of ME mortal beliefs of a Life Separate and Apart from God!! ME must appear to suffer the mortal consequences of ME IGNORANCE of TRUTH of BEING.... He who Realizes his Life is the Spirit of God has Eternal Life! He then walks through the mortal appearance a Divine Being, in who the 5 Senses of Mortal Lies have been Impersonalized, therefore hold no power over him. His fidelity is to the Immortal Spirit he is, and no longer to the mortal illusion of life not of God.... We Must OVERCOME the Belief that we are not Immortal, Divine Being..... To him that Overcometh the temptation of the tree of good and evil(belief in a mortal existence separate and apart from God)will I give to eat of the Tree of Life(ALL GOD IS/ETERNAL LIFE), which is in the Midst of the Kingdom of God(Omnipresence).... Turn ye from the false images of the mortal world of man with breath in his nostrils, and Dwell in the Secret Place of the Most High!! I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD....of the 5 senses of World Mind Belief, knowing they can only lie!! I and the Infinite are One.... We are not a Christian until we know Christ(Infinite Perfect Spirit) is our Identity....!!!

I find it fascinating that all these false teacher are exposing each other.

@Jeremiah17910

2 ай бұрын

@Michael, I find it fascinating that you don't remember the kind of man you are when you look yourself in the mirror each morning. James 1:23-24. Proverbs 10:18. Whoever conceals hatred has lying lips, And one who spreads slander is a fool.

If you believe in the Father, Son & Holy Spirit triune Godhead then who was it that instructed Moses and the prophets? Was not Jesus there speaking? What scripture did Jesus use during his earthly ministry? What scripture did the first century church have? What scripture did the Bereans use? What scripture did Paul tell Timothy is good for everything the man of God needs? What scripture did the apostles use to prove Jesus was the Messiah? The Old testament is not just a nice thing to have. It is the scriptures.

I 🙏🏽 Andy repents! Smh Wow … if his precious daddy would see him now. 😢

What if God has not decreed for him to repent?

Submit!

I saw a bio on Andy Stanley, and I thought there was no clear evidence that he was even saved. That would make sense!

@paulstone8900

2 ай бұрын

Do you recognize how absurd this statement is? You "saw a bio on Andy and thought there was no clear evidence he is saved"???

@melodypalmer6410

2 ай бұрын

I stand by my comment. There was no testimony about any repentance and salvation. Sounds like you don’t know about what it means to be born again. Of course I don’t know if he’s truly saved, only God knows. But I didn’t hear a clear testimony.

@paulstone8900

2 ай бұрын

@@melodypalmer6410lol - as you said (but don't seem to practice): only God knows. What is funny is you judged my salvation based on less than what you know about Andy Stanley.

@melodypalmer6410

2 ай бұрын

You are right. It’s not up to me to judge someone’s salvation. 1 Corinthians 4:5. I was convicted about this this morning.

@paulstone8900

2 ай бұрын

@@melodypalmer6410 I respect you for acknowledging your hasty judgment. I just encourage my fellow reformed followers to practice what we claim to believe about His Grace & Sovereignty. We should be the first to recognize God is bigger than my preferred box of ideas. Thank you for your response.

Andy, according to you, is just doing what God DETERMINED for little Andy to do.

I have to wonder if his dad Charles died of a broken heart. Charles was such a great Bible teacher. How can you have a father like that and hold such blasphemous beliefs ? When you're dad is a pastor, you need to do some soul searching and don't automatically assume that you should follow in his footsteps. Andy admitted at one point, that he did NOT believe the Bible. As heartbreaking as that is, the Lord honors those who tell the truth. HE can change the heart of an unbeliever who is genuinely seeking answers but a hypocrite is stradling the fence and that person needs to be truthful with himself and then seek forgiveness from Jesus

I'm looking at narcissistic evil

But there is a difference between the Old Testament “part” of the Bible, and the Old covenant. I know the words covenant and testament mean the same, but the covenant that is contained within the Old Testament part of the Bible needs to contextually read