Andrew Loke - The Nature of the Human Person

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How do Buddhism, Chinese traditions, and Hinduism address the essence of human sentience? What is consciousness? What is the self? What is qi? Do humans have souls or spirits? Are humans dualistic beings? Or pure souls/spirits?
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Dr. Andrew Ter Ern Loke is a Singaporean Christian theologian and philosopher. He is an Associate Professor in the Department of Religion and Philosophy at Hong Kong Baptist University and an elected Fellow of the prestigious International Society for Science and Religion
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  • @ReynaSingh
    @ReynaSingh18 күн бұрын

    This is an ambitious title. Could certainly make a whole series on the nature of being human

  • @CloserToTruthTV

    @CloserToTruthTV

    18 күн бұрын

    We've got a whole series; watch it here: shorturl.at/fyS03 💫

  • @thomasridley8675

    @thomasridley8675

    18 күн бұрын

    ​​​@@CloserToTruthTV Oh what fun ! Here i thought my time here would be just pointless wars and petty human arrogance. While my species is pretty complicated. Finding gods sure isn't.

  • @mtshasta4195
    @mtshasta419518 күн бұрын

    Burden of proof either way lies upon both the believers and the non-believers. No one has a certain pathway other than a personal belief system to rely upon. In my life, I have had 3 specific and inexplicable experiences that led me to believe without a doubt that other planes of spirituality exist. Without these direct interventions or experiences, one can be lost for a belief system for a soul or spirituality beyond physical existence. So, in my opinion, it becomes a deeply personal choice. I do believe strongly that you have to be open to both options and allow life to help you determine the correct path for yourself.

  • @Traderhood

    @Traderhood

    17 күн бұрын

    "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens

  • @mtshasta4195

    @mtshasta4195

    17 күн бұрын

    @Traderhood that's my point, both sides can be dismissed. It's about personal belief.

  • @Traderhood

    @Traderhood

    17 күн бұрын

    @@mtshasta4195 No. Science is not based on belief. Whatever it finds out, its result has to be predictable. You must be able to use that prediction in future instances. When I throw the ball in the air I can predict based on scientifically deducted laws that it is coming down. Belief can shoot anything from the hip and you can’t use it to predict anything.

  • @mtshasta4195

    @mtshasta4195

    17 күн бұрын

    @@Traderhood sorry Pal, but were not talking about base science or tossing balls are we?

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    Amen.

  • @user-gk9lg5sp4y
    @user-gk9lg5sp4y18 күн бұрын

    The burden of proving that a soul exists is on the person asserting its existence. There is no compelling evidence for its existence that I've seen.

  • @Resmith18SR
    @Resmith18SR17 күн бұрын

    Remember that every human life is fundamentally unique and a locus of experiences that haven't ever occurred exactly the same and never will again. We are a part of Nature and it's impossible to be not connected to Nature.

  • @wiltonpt1
    @wiltonpt118 күн бұрын

    I’m so glad the Bible has deep revelations and answers for such deep questions. Especially of people read it with imposing their traditions on the texts

  • @kennorthunder2428

    @kennorthunder2428

    18 күн бұрын

    I've been steeped in Christianity and have even memorized large portions of scripture, but only recently have been struck by the mystery of Christ. 1. He WAS a spirit prior to becoming a man. 2. He returned to His Father who was a spirit as well, which means Christ returned to that previous state. 3. Prior to his physical arrival he was unknown, but alluded to, yet he is the one most Christians focus on - because of one thing he said: Unless your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven - so the main reason that he's focused on is that he's the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the sinners of the world whom the Father has given him do deal with our unrighteouness. 4. He said: He that has seen me has seen the Father, so why do you ask "Show us the Father" - so does this mean "seeing" is a spiritual thing? 5. A common failing of humanity in almost every domain, is to focus on a few narrow specifics while ignoring the rest - to the deteriment of not truly understanding the whole. So wouldn't that mean that to just simply focus on Christ is to not truly understand God? (In spite of the fact that Jesus said "He that has seen me has seen the Father) Yet the entirety of God is: Father, Son & Holy Spirit. 6 Jesus said: God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (are we to understand from this use of the "spirit" that entity and action are one and the same? Also, if Christ is the only means one can get into the presence of God, why did God take Enoch as a result of him "walk with God" - being in harmony with God? (Is there something missing from scripture or something missing from our understanding? - if so what? I'm asking these things because it's legitimate to expect truth and logic to be in sync with one another.

  • @wiltonpt1

    @wiltonpt1

    18 күн бұрын

    @@kennorthunder2428 I don't know. I had a dramatic encounter with Jesus in my late twenties followed by two miraculous healings. Since then the bible all makes perfect sense and its beyond deep. As I see Jesus is trying to say to Samaritans who bragged about their temple and were too focused on a material building. Jesus is addressing this issue that God is not contained by walls (Spirit , therefore). If we get to hung up on words and don't catch what's was going on (context() It is easy to distorn or miss things in the bible. We have to fill in the gaps with what's obvious from the culture times and text

  • @simonhibbs887

    @simonhibbs887

    18 күн бұрын

    @@kennorthunder2428 >"yet he the one most Christians focus on - because of one thing he said: Unless your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven" That's a really interesting statement he made, because there were three different main sects of Judaism in his time. The Pharisees, the Sadducees and the Essenes. Jesus never mentions the Essenes, but is constantly dumping on the Pharisees and Sadducees, hence the rather plausible theory that he and his followers were actually members of the Essene sect.

  • @kennorthunder2428

    @kennorthunder2428

    18 күн бұрын

    ​@@simonhibbs887 This is new information for me. I'll have to look it up. It could very well be that the Essenes had stumbled one this principle on their own.

  • @nickjones3242
    @nickjones324218 күн бұрын

    When you gain a deeper understanding of the neuroscience behind emotions and behaviors, it's like lifting the veil on the mechanisms that drive human experience. Suddenly, the simple joys of day-to-day life may seem less spontaneous and more deterministic, as I realize how various neural pathways and chemical processes influence your thoughts and feelings. This newfound awareness sometimes dampen the excitement of mundane tasks, as I become more attuned to the underlying neural patterns at play. It's akin to seeing the gears and cogs behind the scenes of a once-magical performance-it doesn't necessarily diminish the beauty of the show, but it does alter the perception of it.

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    If life becomes less spontaneous, you're doing it wrong.

  • @S3RAVA3LM
    @S3RAVA3LM18 күн бұрын

    The Self inquiry is only for he, and acts as prerequisite, after man asunders his material attachments and becomes indifferent to the exterior, therefore, strives up stream to the source of all life. Just like one must feel remorse before one can repent and go towards a better way. Likewise, Self inquiry is futile to the materialists... until the crossover from the state of mind they're in, such enquiry is redundant. They'll talk about it in mind, but in their heart, they're not serous about it.

  • @dr_shrinker

    @dr_shrinker

    17 күн бұрын

    😅

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    Cartesian ignorance. The separation you mimic is ultimately illusory.

  • @User-vbhhnvgjmt
    @User-vbhhnvgjmt17 күн бұрын

    Ameca said she can't feel the happiness but can look happy. So how we conciouss human can feel happiness

  • @r2c3
    @r2c318 күн бұрын

    the essence of human life can differ from that of other life forms either by necessity or contingency...

  • @TLGIII
    @TLGIII18 күн бұрын

    Interesting!

  • @Traderhood

    @Traderhood

    17 күн бұрын

    What part?

  • @TLGIII

    @TLGIII

    17 күн бұрын

    @@Traderhood What he reveals of his personal faith. Difference and similarities in East and West. Fact that he states there is distinctions between eastern and western religions. Where he generally draws the line geographically.

  • @everready800
    @everready80018 күн бұрын

    NDE's give excellent accounts of a glimpse into the afterlife and are largely similar in experience.

  • @tcuisix

    @tcuisix

    18 күн бұрын

    How so?

  • @TorgerVedeler

    @TorgerVedeler

    18 күн бұрын

    A common feature that those who have had an NDE is the presence of absolute and indescribable love.

  • @tcuisix

    @tcuisix

    18 күн бұрын

    @TorgerVedeler sounds like oxytocin. The brain releasing chemicals with its connections shutting down

  • @thomasridley8675

    @thomasridley8675

    18 күн бұрын

    ​@@TorgerVedeler Our desire to be something special might be clouding our judgement on this issue.

  • @everready800

    @everready800

    18 күн бұрын

    @thomasridley8675 Well we are quite special. What else compares to a human brain/mind? Plus our desires shouldn't exist with no heartbeat if you're coming from a *no creator* point of view.

  • @stellarwind1946
    @stellarwind194618 күн бұрын

    The concept of hell is a form of blackmail

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    A tool constructed and wielded to spread fear to uphold institutional "credibility".

  • @dianneforit5409
    @dianneforit540918 күн бұрын

    A Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog, or a Pig. Regardless of religion, the concept of a human soul almost always equates to a continuation of our consciousness once life has left the body. While similarly, and despite the fact it wanes away when we fall asleep, the substance of René Descartes’ ‘Dualism’, as with most theologies, simply assumes that mind and matter are composed of ontologically distinct substances. Nonetheless, although a veritable Ark of animals display a degree of conscious awareness it is often claimed that only modern humans exhibit consistent signs of conscious self-awareness. As Sir John Eccles so famously declared ― _“It has been well said that an animal knows, but only a man knows that he knows”_ So, if we genetically engineered another animal: a Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog, or a Pig to 'know' would it also have a soul?

  • @user-gr3oo5ux9x
    @user-gr3oo5ux9x18 күн бұрын

    All is dreamt up.

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    Indeed. Except for the one who sees that.

  • @11-AisexualsforGod-11
    @11-AisexualsforGod-1118 күн бұрын

    A soul as in a unique angle of perspective can only really be preserved in collective memory which is why history is important.. At the core of our demonically animated layers of being is the same cosmic nothingness which we all return.. a crystal ball

  • @11-AisexualsforGod-11

    @11-AisexualsforGod-11

    18 күн бұрын

    Cosmic nothingness is the outer ring which contains the Ying and yang of ego duality

  • @11-AisexualsforGod-11

    @11-AisexualsforGod-11

    18 күн бұрын

    So with in the nothing we return contains the demonic ghosts of conscience of the living

  • @PhillipYewTree
    @PhillipYewTree18 күн бұрын

    There is no common agreement about the soul, life before death or life after death. It is foolish to claim “my belief is correct”. Each individual finds comfort and reassurance in their own opinion.

  • @mtshasta4195

    @mtshasta4195

    18 күн бұрын

    Near death experiences disagree with you

  • @BajaJones-iq2cp
    @BajaJones-iq2cp17 күн бұрын

    BUT BETTER!

  • @AshtonMitchell-es8td
    @AshtonMitchell-es8td18 күн бұрын

    This is all an illusion, although the experience itself is real. Death is also an illusion. Death literally doesn't exist. Your experience is based upon your consciousness. Whether you create heaven or hell in your experience is all up to you.

  • @S3RAVA3LM
    @S3RAVA3LM18 күн бұрын

    Buddha never denied the Soul. Buddha utilized the method of 'netti netti'. He discriminated what isn't the Soul. This is apophasis the Greeks utilized. I know for a fact because I have Majjhima, Samyutta, Anguttara nikayas and George Grimms Doctrine of the Buddha book. I know it's not easy being in front of the camera....my goddess, I never want to mislead people like what has happened here.

  • @dr_shrinker

    @dr_shrinker

    18 күн бұрын

    You don’t know what Buddha did or didn’t deny. You weren’t around then.

  • @simonhibbs887

    @simonhibbs887

    17 күн бұрын

    @@dr_shrinker I don't really think that's a reasonable objection, we have a considerable amount of material on what he taught. I have no problem taking that at face value for the most part in that there are known teachings of Buddhism. If the interviewee can talk about what Buddha taught, so can anyone.

  • @bozdowleder2303

    @bozdowleder2303

    17 күн бұрын

    ​@@simonhibbs887In the case of Buddha, there wasn't a written tradition of his teaching for several hundred years after he died. So it is even harder than usual to be sure what he said or not. What I myself have always interpreted the basic teaching as is that reality is one. There is one undivided universe looking at itself. What any person is is simply a point of view. The illusion is that we are distinct from the world but we are not. Internalizing the reality that our personalities and the locality of our concerns(our self in short) is a mirage and behind it all we are just the universe looking at itself from many fragmented points of view is Nirvana. The point is not to understand it but to internalize it - you believe it physically like you believe the next step you take will be on solid ground when you're walking(To see how firm this belief is, look at your face if you fall down a manhole or something. The surprise is very very strong) Buddha didn't think desire is the root of all suffering. That's like saying marriage is the cause of divorce. It's attachment he equates with suffering. Anxiety over something not in our control, outside of ourselves. Wanting things to be different from what they are because we distinguish between one state and another. But if you are the whole universe there is nothing to be anxious about because there is nothing outside of you. And the undivided universe is all there is so distinctions vanish

  • @bozdowleder2303

    @bozdowleder2303

    17 күн бұрын

    ​​@simonhibbs887 In the case of Buddha, there wasn't a written tradition of his teaching for several hundred years after he died. So it is even harder than usual to be sure what he said or not. What I myself have always interpreted the basic teaching as is that reality is one. There is one undivided universe looking at itself. What any person is is simply a point of view. The illusion is that we are distinct from the world but we are not. Internalizing the reality that our personalities and the locality of our concerns(our self in short) is a mirage and behind it all we are just the universe looking at itself from many fragmented points of view is Nirvana. The point is not to understand it but to internalize it - you believe it physically like you believe the next step you take will be on solid ground when you're walking(To see how firm this belief is, look at your face if you fall down a manhole or something. The surprise is very very strong) Buddha didn't think desire is the root of all suffering. That's like saying marriage is the cause of divorce. It's attachment he equates with suffering. Anxiety over something not in our control, outside of ourselves. Wanting things to be different from what they are because we distinguish between one state and another. But if you are the whole universe there is nothing to be anxious about because there is nothing outside of you. And the undivided universe is all there is so distinctions vanish

  • @dr_shrinker

    @dr_shrinker

    17 күн бұрын

    @@simonhibbs887don’t care what he did or didn’t say. It’s all conjecture anyway. I’m just trolling S3rava because he is a rude person who talks a lot of crap and insults anyone he disagrees with, without provocation. I detest hypocrisy and he has no business preaching the dharma. IMO. I’m no Buddhist, but I studied it extensively in my youth.

  • @MegaDonaldification
    @MegaDonaldification18 күн бұрын

    Soul is the internal members legit use in one's care. Impatience cant do the work of patience in the members of one's being. For grown men like both of you folks you certainly lack clarity. Misconstrued ideology will bring you back to experience what you backed up today, leaving you with a chance to change it for the best. Loke and Kuhn, you got this one wrong, as many Christians of today do, on a regular basis.

  • @Arunava_Gupta
    @Arunava_Gupta18 күн бұрын

    The "soul" or "conscious personality" is the transcendental person-like entity that remains connected to the brain during a person's material existence. When this connection is severed on death, the conscious personality will remain embedded in matter if his core consciousness has not become situated undeviatingly in spirit. Propelled by the seeds of his own desire and his attraction for the material, he will become connected (again) to a body that matches the state of his consciousness.

  • @thomasridley8675

    @thomasridley8675

    18 күн бұрын

    We will still be asking this question when the last star dies.

  • @jimliu2560

    @jimliu2560

    18 күн бұрын

    If it doesn’t pay the bill…..it’s irrelevant..!

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    Trite mimicry. Which dogma did you learn this from? 😂

  • @Arunava_Gupta

    @Arunava_Gupta

    6 күн бұрын

    @@IAn0nI oh, it's ingrained into the very nature of reality. The transcendental mind / conscious personality never dies. It's in fact life itself. Evolution of bodies is for varying states of consciousness.

  • @Arunava_Gupta

    @Arunava_Gupta

    6 күн бұрын

    @@jimliu2560 😀 it's what has always been paying!

  • @thomasridley8675
    @thomasridley867518 күн бұрын

    I think 52 seconds before god came up might be a record for what is supposed to be a science channel in a search for truth. 🙄 I would ask which god, but thats pretty obvious...its his idea of a god. 🙄 Strange how it is always the god you want too exist. Dispite how totally human such pronouncements are.

  • @arrowstheorem1881
    @arrowstheorem188118 күн бұрын

    Which country is he from? Why is he speaking in such an awkward and uncomfortable way? He seems very impatient, uneasy and defensive. Very hard to listen to what he has to say.

  • @simonhibbs887

    @simonhibbs887

    17 күн бұрын

    He's Singaporean. I found him very easy to understand, but I've travelled extensively and have known and worked with many people for whom English was not their first language. If you don't have a lot of experience of that it can take a bit of patience to adapt to it, and of course he's discussing complex topics with a lot of nuance so he's taking time to formulate his replies.

  • @evaadam3635
    @evaadam363518 күн бұрын

    "The Nature of Human Person" You may understand a Human Person better if you understand what an Animal Person is.... ...Animal Persons are people who define their whole being as just animal bodies driven by natural instincts, slaves of physical laws beyond their control and, so, feel not accountable... ..and because Animal Persons identify themselves with their mental and physical attributes that can be different from others, they become the source of bigotry, discriminations, indifference, false pride, inflated egoes, superiority or inferiority complex, etc., etc., - they are genuine trouble makers who are crowding in prisons.... ..on the other hand, Human Persons are God-loving people who believe that their true being is an immortal soul equal to all, no more no less, no superior nor inferior. They are humble, kind, and caring to others because they believe that we are all children of a loving God whom they love..

  • @simonhibbs887

    @simonhibbs887

    17 күн бұрын

    Do you believe that all human beings, regardless of what they believe themselves, actually have god given souls?

  • @evaadam3635

    @evaadam3635

    17 күн бұрын

    ​​@@simonhibbs887 our immortal souls were not given but free splits of the Holy Spirit.... we all have the hand on the decision to split when we were once ONE WHOLE GOD the Holy Spirit who decided to split just to have a free family to love and to be freely loved.....

  • @simonhibbs887

    @simonhibbs887

    16 күн бұрын

    So you believe that all persons have a share of this divine spirit?

  • @sujok-acupuncture9246
    @sujok-acupuncture924618 күн бұрын

    The true religion can only be one, just like science. You don't have a Mohammedan physics, a Hindu physics, a Christian physics; that would be nonsense. But that's what the religions have done - they have made the whole earth a madhouse. If science is one, then why should the science of the inner not be one, too? Science explores the objective world and religion explores the subjective world. Their work is the same, just their direction and dimension are different. In a more enlightened age there will be no such thing as religion, there will be only two sciences: objective science and subjective science. Objective science deals with things, subjective science deals with being. Osho. , from the book..."From Ignorance to innocence".

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    Praise science!

  • @michelangelope830
    @michelangelope83017 күн бұрын

    The Quran has not been memorized, not between all muslims in the world, and I will explain why. Image one book with 100 pages and each page with 10 verses of the word of God. Each verse is infinite and perfect wisdom. If your aim is to memorize the perfect book in case all the copies of the original are destroyed, would you organize and prepare a plan and test if the Quran has been truly memorized? How do you know if the Quran has been memorized if you don't test the claim? All should witness if the Quran has been truly memorized, the exam is for all. If there were 1 million muslims in the world would it be easier to obtain a memorized copy of the Quran if 1 million muslims tried to memorize the whole 100 pages of the book or if 1 million divided by 1 thousand verses muslims memorize just 1 verse?. I am a psychologist, not a charlatan looking for attention, and I have discovered atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t. I am censored for obvious reasons. I don't know much, but I know what I know, and I have lived long enough to know Nobel Prizes are given to friends and family and people don't care. Time is running out, not much is left, and is eternal. Is not the end of atheism and religion and peace what you have always wanted? I am a poet and artist searching for beauty and the rationalist philosopher Spinoza discovered centuries ago the nature of God, that I have rediscovered. How many people have to understand God is necessary and is literally everything that exist before humanity change their minds?. Humanity have to understand only one reality and truth exists. Our existence is eternal and we have to live well because we have to survive. It is easier to survive living well being happy, content with the experience. We live for the experience, to feel part of something infinitely greater than ourselves. The whole is infinitely more important than the parts, the parts can sacrifice for the whole. We are mortal organs of the eternal Body, and Mind. Could the liver die for the stomach? The philosopher Giordano Bruno died burning alive to get published his work. What did he say? Was what he said tampered? Obviously if he was sentenced to die burning alive what he said upset many people enormously. He was tortured for what he said. If I and you don't know what Giordano Bruno said, the whole book, explained, is because he is censored. People are not interested in what a person who decided to die burning alive to try to end religion with knowledge, instead of just forget and surrender and let the bad guys win, has to say. Knowledge is good for you, all future generations. Thank you.

  • @user-gc5io7hp3w
    @user-gc5io7hp3w18 күн бұрын

    You exist. That's proof enough that we are souls in a container body or avatar, whatever you'd like to call it. It also proves there is a creator(s) to this creation. Consciousness and soul are one and the same.

  • @therick363

    @therick363

    18 күн бұрын

    What? Nothing you said is proven

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    Doesn't prove a thing. You are spouting beliefs and providing "evidence" backed by your delusory confirmation bias you've been conditioned to spout from what you've learnt from your identified religion.

  • @Maxwell-mv9rx
    @Maxwell-mv9rx18 күн бұрын

    Guys please show me How figure out soul? As Christian I believes in soul though faith keep out any reason to figure out soul. But this guys Lost his Religious Sense. Absolutetly. He shows soul is rubbish Rambling.

  • @BajaJones-iq2cp
    @BajaJones-iq2cp17 күн бұрын

    mumbo jumbo. pick up a copy of the “Song of God” or Yoga Vashista and all your questions are answered if you are willing to do the work.

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    More dogma 🤣

  • @user-gr3oo5ux9x
    @user-gr3oo5ux9x18 күн бұрын

    There is no physical universe

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    Words.

  • @birdthompson
    @birdthompson18 күн бұрын

    there is no "God" but there is karma...evidence is there for this, not for Jesus forgiving sins etc...

  • @dianneforit5409

    @dianneforit5409

    18 күн бұрын

    Once you understand that 'Karma' doesn't punish you for doing the wrong thing, but really punishes you for doing the 'right thing', your life will make far more sense.

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    ​@@dianneforit5409there is no good or bad, but thinking makes it so.

  • @alfonsosolis401
    @alfonsosolis40117 күн бұрын

    Mostly everything he said is nonsense where is the evidence to all of this claims

  • @IAn0nI

    @IAn0nI

    6 күн бұрын

    How do you propose science measures spirituality?

  • @arrowstheorem1881
    @arrowstheorem188118 күн бұрын

    What a waste of my time