One of the things I’ll always hate is how they canonized the “storm troopers can’t aim” joke, it just cheapens them even more than they should be

@master_samwise

Жыл бұрын

Obi-Wan Kenobi took it further. Stormtroopers can barely find their triggers

@hanshotlast

Жыл бұрын

@@master_samwise don’t forget the time that woman put a hand on a stormtroopers helmet and he just fell to the ground

@VGLounge

Жыл бұрын

@@master_samwise Stormtroopers can't hold a grip or stand upright when *touched*

@Hanoua2

Жыл бұрын

The scene with like a hundred Stormtroopers shooting at a bunch of refugies in a corridor and miss all of them is a travesti

@master_samwise

Жыл бұрын

@@Hanoua2 Oh I tore that scene to shreds too. Unbelievably stupid.

Andor in the final arc made Stormtroopers terrifying. Up until the final shootout, the show only dealt with backwater rent-a-cops, regular cops, and regular military. Yet in the last episode when Stormtroopers and Death Troopers show up, it felt like a threat; and when the shooting started the threat was real. Stormtroopers were efficient, accurate, and deadly. They dropped so many people with ease that would have been a struggle to any other fighting force up to that point in the show.

@master_samwise

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! When the Stormtroopers got involved, things went downhill for the Ferrix residents REAL quick.

@TheBearwithaBeard

Жыл бұрын

The only thing I didn't like is how easily Cassian killed the Death Trooper

@bena2357

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBearwithaBeard yeah I always thought that part was a little strange

@lembitmoislane.

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBearwithaBeard To be fair, the way he did was very believable. He had to quickly fire while moving from cover to cover to take out the Death Trooper. Any other appoarch and the Death Trooper would had quickly killed him. Unlike Rebels, I don’t feel that Death Troopers were dumbed down. They did what they could while having to deal with their large size preventing them from entering small areas, and the Death Trooper was able to detect Andor in a near unhuman like way and immediately engage him.

@flannel7977

Жыл бұрын

I hated that the death trooper only took one shot and died

The most infuriating thing of all is how well Kenobi performed and how positive it was recievied despite beeing the actual worst attempt at action or any logical sequence of actions I have ever seen. And nobody watched andor… this makes me so sad for the future of Star Wars…

@tng514

Жыл бұрын

star wars is done but at least season 2 will be a good eulogy for it

@Nanou2_

Жыл бұрын

People only liked Kenobi because they are blinded by the fact that they love the prequels

@KusabiTetsugoro

Жыл бұрын

@@Nanou2_ I love the prequels, but Kenobi is hot garbage

@leadzeppbelly

Жыл бұрын

@@tng514 Andor season 2 is going to be incredible and hardly anyone will be watching. But I don’t care. It’ll be there and I’ll be watching

@kylehendricksilveralvin5376

Жыл бұрын

​@@KusabiTetsugoro Same, Kenobi did nothing but contradict canon for no reason other than nostalgia bait.

Few years ago where I live there was a road rage incident at a gas station where a guy was punched in the face, and he fell and hit his head on a concrete podium for a fuel pump. Died instantly. So the "headbutt, fall and die" thing doesn't seem so implausible. This kind of thing does happen in real life.

@SHALOMIEDAHOMMIE

Жыл бұрын

Because the world ain't a big soap opera It only takes one punch to drop ya- Yo-Yo

@qtrg5794

Жыл бұрын

its not even a rare or freak occurrence, people die or get paralysed all the time from bar fights where they drop and hit their head on the ground... hollywood has taught us getting bare-knuckled in the face gets you a badass bruise and nothing more, but our heads are so fragile that fistfights on hard ground are always life-threatening. be safe guys

@repletereplete8002

Жыл бұрын

@@qtrg5794 Very true. A few months back the same thing happened outside a pub where I live and the guy died at the scene from the brain injury and I've known of many other similar incidents just in the last 5 years. A blow to the head even a glancing one can impart enough force to fairly easily cause someone to lose their footing and fall/become unconscious/bleed on the brain etc etc.

@Don11037

Жыл бұрын

Would you got to jail for murder or manslaughter because it was an accident?

@DesignGeek06

Жыл бұрын

@@Don11037 Manslaughter most likely. Being charged with murder usually requires the prosecution to prove you had the intent to kill or that you knew your actions could reasonably lead to loss of life and that you were indifferent to this outcome. A single punch leading to a bad fall wouldn’t really meet either criteria.

Andor was shot in the UK using actual locations across the entire country and at Pinewood Studio's where the original movies were produced. Made by British directors, crew, and mostly British and Irish actors used outside the main cast, utilising British standards in film production. As far away from Hollywood as it needed to be, on top of the excellent writing these are the main reasons it kicked absolute ass over the other efforts !! Well done to Disney for having the balls to let a bunch of guys 5000 miles away get on with their jobs undisturbed, please take some more risks with the franchise.

@master_samwise

Жыл бұрын

Yes!!! Shooting on location rather than in the Volume made a huge difference.

@artboymoy

Жыл бұрын

Some fan complained about there being so many British and European actors and I just think that had to do with the Covid lockdown and procedures. Best to source locally, but IMO having a more European slant to the accents, maybe elevated it a bit more and felt more prestigious.

@ben_jam

Жыл бұрын

@@artboymoy You can notice the production values straight away, it was much more Game of Thrones levels than b movie Obi Wan. To me it makes sense for Disney to have a separate bunch of guys across the pond doing it their way, then you'll have a mix of output.

@officialmonarchmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@master_samwise I draw the line at Coruscant though. Shooting on location everything in Coruscant started to straight up pull me out of the scene

@melone8833

Жыл бұрын

@@artboymoy I feel because of the higher diversity in accents and such in Europe, for a big cinematic universe like Star Wars, it's a good thing to have many different accents included in the series, because you wouldn't expect every planet to have American accented humans on them.

The only 2 characters in Andor that we know needed to live were Andor and Mothma. Everyone else was up for grabs and that's why it's so great.

@Daniel_Huffman

Жыл бұрын

As well as Saw and Melshi.

@theonlyMoancore

Жыл бұрын

Something else I noticed is that this show actually doesn't have a child sidekick like every other show.

@topaznnani4003

Жыл бұрын

@@theonlyMoancore BOBF

@theonlyMoancore

Жыл бұрын

@@topaznnani4003 The Vespa Teenagers

@topaznnani4003

Жыл бұрын

@@theonlyMoancore I actually thought of that afterwards, you're right

When I began to watch Andor I expected nothing, mostly because Kenobi delivered so little stakes I ended watching it with one eye doing other stuff at the same time. Then I was baffled by the grounded tension Andor had. That felt REAL, dangerous from the beginning and the scene you use to compare.

@david_lifeandgames

Жыл бұрын

agree. It is the best Star Wars show to date. Season 2 would be even better I reckon.

@artboymoy

Жыл бұрын

When the shows were announced ANDOR stuck out to me and I really didn't care about the other ones. People were asking why there should be a show with a character you know that dies, and I'm giving them that "Really?" look, as I point to Obi Wan that they're going ape shit over. I didn't know what to expect from Andor but if it was anything like Rogue One, I was in. And those first trailer, OMG. I was in even more. Thank God I passed on Boba Fett and then I got to see the preview clip for ANOOR on the IMAX before Rogue One... WHOOO. Would love to watch Andor on the big screen. It holds up so well.

@Gabi-ub8md

Жыл бұрын

@@artboymoy I got to watch the first 3 episodes of Andor in the big screen and it was fantastic. I would have loved to see episodes like 6, 10 and 12 in theaters.

@artboymoy

Жыл бұрын

@@Gabi-ub8md Wow! How did you manage that? I'm jealous!

@Gabi-ub8md

Жыл бұрын

@@artboymoy At least in my country (Argentina) some of these big shows get an exclusive premiere in theathers. They usually have giveaways for followers on Instagram and Twitter, and I had the fortune of winning one. Great event, that time Disney even gave us free popcorn 😁

Andors action sequences are so hard hitting they feel more like a scene out of Heat than SW

@huwguyver4208

Жыл бұрын

That is a great comparison. Both Andor and Heat are masters of expertly building up tension before letting loose with explosive, well-earned and gripping action sequences.

Andor is so good! It’s not good just because it’s in the Star Wars universe, it’s just simply the best political scifi drama on television ever!

@pedrokantor3997

Жыл бұрын

IDK about that. The Expanse is pretty darn good.

@artboymoy

Жыл бұрын

@@pedrokantor3997 I love both. I win! :)

@scograham

Жыл бұрын

Nah

@marksith6550

Жыл бұрын

What nonsense

@NovelPhoinix

Жыл бұрын

​@@pedrokantor3997 I love both, altough i like the expanse bit more because of the more realistic spaceships and of course because of amos :)

The second Andor fight felt like an encounter in X-COM. Taking initiative by moving or firing back felt extremely dangerous, but they couldn’t hunker down because the Rebels were outnumbered and needed to escape, so the fight seemed truly desperate. It was tense, even stressful, and that it made it impactful.

@master_samwise

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love XCOM (the 2012 reboot, anyway). Great comparison!

@memoryfoam2285

Жыл бұрын

Man I’ve been playing a lot of XCOM recently and you’re absolutely right, I hate when action scenes just ignore tactics and logic.

@flatline8580

Жыл бұрын

Combat directors should be made to play X-COM.

@ItilayItshay

Жыл бұрын

@@master_samwise Fun fact: Some of the old developers of XCOM formed a new studio called Bit Reactor and are currently making a star wars strategy game.

@gephicka

Жыл бұрын

that's such a high compliment omg

Hi man, Danish army veteran here. I can confirm that your points on the hangar shootout scene are totally valid. Some have made the point that Skeen didn't provide sufficient covering fire, and that it might have been intentional. From what I can see in the scenes, Skeen does not have clear line sight on the guy shooting Taramyn. Uncovered angles are an ever present danger in urban combat, and it requires a lot of training and cohesion in a unit to identify such areas and communicate it to the rest of the unit. Otherwise you have a Taramyn running into a kill zone and getting dropped.

@Dynoids

10 ай бұрын

I found it odd skeen didnt provide good cover, which I found weird especially with how they dedicate a shot to show him pull back. It wasnt answered until he talks to Andor after the job is finished and it makes a bit of sense why there was a lack of effort.

I love how sparingly Andor used Stormtroopers. As Obi-Wan said in episode 4 they really are elite troopers. This was kinda shown in Solo where we are introduced to the actual imperial infantry, which are all conscripts instead of elite proffesional soldiers like the Stormtroopers are. And even then, the imperial troppa in Andor are still a threat to the rebels.

@RedXlV

9 ай бұрын

And what people overlook in all of the "LOL Stormtroopers" memes that originated from them missing so many shots in A New Hope is that on the Death Star, the Stormtroopers were under direct orders from Darth Vader to *let* the prisoners escape, putting up just enough of a fight that it wouldn't be immediately obvious. In Empire Strikes Back, the main characters weren't fighting the Stormtroopers on Hoth, and the Rebel troops who did fight them got slaughtered. The only time in the OT that Stormtroopers actually got clowned on was Return of the Jedi. And even then, despite how silly they look, the Ewoks are vicious little creatures and had a *huge* numerical advantage plus the element of surprise against the Stormtroopers. Yes, Han, Leia, and Chewie had plot armor in that battle. But the Stormtroopers still were presented as a threat.

@KommissarBanx

7 ай бұрын

Everyone likes to clown on the Empire losing on Endor like the US didn’t suffer just as tremendous losses to similar enemies/tactics in Japan and Vietnam. Also let’s be honest for a second. When you have a race of native creatures that look like fat little teddy bears standing at a whopping 2-3 feet tall, do you expect them to rig up traps with massive redwood sized trees to literally crush your tanks like fucking soda cans? Pitfall traps, sure. Maybe something similar to the bamboo whip traps, grenade booby traps died to imperial corpses, etc. But expecting a race of bipedal Shitzus to literally rig several thousand pound 100m+ tall tree trunks to hydraulic press your main battle tank is something none of the imperial leadership could’ve foresaw.

@SudrianTales

7 ай бұрын

​@KommissarBanx Furthermore, the Ewoks got their asses kicked until Chewie seized a AT-ST. That's the part people forger, the 501st was winning after a massive surprise assault on them.

@wolftamer5463

5 ай бұрын

@@SudrianTalesExactly, the Ewoks were getting blasted until the tide was turned.

Im so tired of these Disney shows that don't seem to care. Andor cares, Season 1 of Mando cared, Rogue 1 Cared. I miss that

@pr0xykill978

Жыл бұрын

Mando S3 is shaping up to be pretty good so far :)

@sammyjay5027

Жыл бұрын

@pr0xykill I've been watching, and honestly I don't feel that. The fight scenes just feel thrown in, the dialogue is childish, and the characters are generally just acting without motivation. Some sequences are cool and interesting but it's just not compelling in the same way Andor, Rogue One and Season 1 of Mando were

@tito3640

Жыл бұрын

​@pr0xykill This aged like blue milk.

I wonder if Disney wasn’t making so many Star Wars shows at once, than maybe the Kenobi show could of had more money and effort put into it. Quality over quantity.

@micaiahgrossmann8058

Жыл бұрын

Yeah... Star Wars is a multi billion (with a 'B') dollar franchise. I stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt when they only had the sequel trilogy to care about and still managed to drop the ball.

@Felamine

Жыл бұрын

​@@micaiahgrossmann8058Andor showed that it's not money or time that makes a good series, but quality writers and directors. The sequels could have been great if competent writers and directors were brought on board for them.

@artboymoy

Жыл бұрын

Obi Wan was suppose to be a movie but the decision was made to make it a series and it's pretty apparent as well with the side quests they have to go on. There are fans out there that took the series and cut it down to movie length and the story works better The one I think is the best edit is The Pentex Production Edit. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eamls9OyiK-oZKg.html

@crispycaptures

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I was so disappointed, it definetly deserved a bigger budget and some writers who have actually seen Star Wars before.

@leonrambach1216

Жыл бұрын

@@Felamine Yeah it showed that you first and foremost need "effort" to produce a good show. That involces actually planning every scene in detail, including every action any of the characters take. But that sadly seems to be lacking in many Star Wars shows who are only made as detailed as can be noticed in a one-/two-time watch by a superficially interested audience.

The more you see and hear about Kenobi, the more you realise how little care was given on all fronts

@Straswa

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@SpookyBibi24

Жыл бұрын

And it's so infuriating. I waited 20 years for a Obi-Wan centric show and got this pile of 💩. I will rewatch Andor until it scrubs Kenobi off my memory and pretend it never got made.

16:05 Also that less likely event of the cop dying from falling is excusable for another reason. It's not just any old plot contrivance made up to allow Andor to escape an obstacle. Rather, it's the inciting incident of the entire show, meaning that the show is less saying "Andor faces this situation but gets out with this unexpected event", but rather "Andor does this thing accidentally; what are the consequences?"

As someone who was an infantryman, I loved the cover fire. It’s a small thing, but such a vital part of gunfights.

@master_samwise

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad my points rang true with you! Good to know I wasn't completely talking out of my ass.

When I saw Andor announced two years ago I wasn't interested in it but god was I wrong, I watched Andor and wow, it's the best thing that has ever happened to star wars, everything was so polished, the photography, narrative, dialogues, etc... People should really consider watching Andor, best star wars show hands down

@liam-eq4tj

Жыл бұрын

When I first saw the announcement I was like “who wants to see an andor show?? Nobody cares about him” and when it finally came to watching it it was so relieving watching a well directed show that isn’t depending on fan service and top scale lightsaber fights. It’s so nice seeing Star Wars from a normal person’s view

@ImTheReverse

Жыл бұрын

@@liam-eq4tjAndor went from a C-tier character to an S-tier one.

@williambartholomew5680

7 ай бұрын

When the Andor ads first came out they were quite under-selling the series, I was only interested because I loved Rogue One (my most favorite Star Wars film) and it was a hard watch in comparison so I'm not too surprised it "suffered" in general with viewership. There's too many interactions that turn out to be completely irrelevant by the finale, nearly all of the dialog is unnecessarily in code making it an investment to watch it not simple watching, a lot of the characters focused on serve no purpose, and many "plot" points are abandoned. I absolutely love how they build up such sets & atmospheres full to the rim of scenery, buildings, and/or life - the same way Rogue One excelled at it. But there's far too much extra content with so much being meaningless only making for good looking shots, the prison factory episode was amazing and the finale's riot/retaliation scene was awesome but everything inbetween was built up very long and very slow for minimal/no resolve. Always seeing everyone's high praises but I'm not seeing WHY people enjoyed Andor so much when it spends a lot of time just being a sleep-track

I think the reason Skeen doesn’t stick with his covering fire is not just cowardice but also a tactic; he explicitly says to andor that fewer survivors means a bigger cut for him.

@tomasstana5423

10 ай бұрын

That would make sense if he was already on the ship, but he also needed to get there and more people capable providing a covering fire means better odds of getting on that ship. I think people overanalyze it, IMO he simply noticed someone is aiming at him and is about to shoot and quickly took cover. That's it, no more than just a reflex.

@cykeok3525

10 ай бұрын

@@tomasstana5423Agree with you. It would require a combination of courage and loyalty to his comrades to overcome the reflexive fear, and instead continue laying down fire. Skeen was clearly a character who was lacking both those things.

@taxult

3 ай бұрын

Nope, the notion that Skeen planned for the heist to just go right perfectly enough to there's only 3 survivors. It doesn't make sense. He opportunistic, not some schemer.

I thought having the Stromtroopers at the checkpoint being lazy or not taking the Jedi Hunt seriously might fix the scene with minimal changes, but I forgot about the rest of the scene. While it would help explain the troopers recoiling in surprise at the beginning, it doesn't cover the rest of the fight.

Quick reminder guys, according to Star Wars lore and yes, this is deep, the stormtroopers are the highest quality troops widely available used for special missions, whilst they're not the standard imperial infantry. The Star Wars writers don't get that there's a lot of them but not that many. Also the stormtroopers don't have bad aim, the writers are just feeding the memes. last point, the stomtroopers are widely misunderstood, please spread my message :>

@master_samwise

Жыл бұрын

The thing is, Disney knows this. In Solo we see Han fighting in the infantry but not as a stormtrooper. In Andor we see lots of guards/soldiers on Aldhani that aren't stormtroopers. Honestly, it's largely been Disney products that have portrayed stormtroopers as a cut above regular Imperial troops, and yet they still make them act like complete buffoons on a regular basis.

@Newt0rz

Жыл бұрын

It makes sense, too. By the time of Obi-Wan, they should logically be an experienced fighting force that's been crushing disent and putting down various Separatist/Republic holdouts for about a decade.

@YD39222

Жыл бұрын

@@master_samwise then why they do our stormtroopers like that:

@Daniel_Huffman

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. How are we supposed to take the main villainous soldiers seriously when the shows themselves go to extreme lengths to turn them into complete jokes? It would be interesting to see a story from the perspective of an Imperial soldier, and stormtroopers showing up is used to show how serious things are. Either they are brought in during the exposition in the first act to establish how serious an impending attack will be, or at the start of the third act so as to raise the stakes. I imagine two soldiers having a brief exchange that goes something like this: "Stormtroopers? Here?" "Something big must be happening…."

@YD39222

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Huffman What we see in the shows is roughly 0.001% of imperial power. If used properly and effectively like Grand Admiral Thrawn does, the Empire has 100% succes chance.

Legit Gorn's death is so unceremonious it's literally a "blink and you'll miss it" moment. I watched Andor's 6th episode several times and have not once noticed that he got shot down immediately, always wondering what happened to him. It wasn't until watching this video that my question was answered.

Andor is what I was always hoping for. No Force or Skywalker baggage. And it takes its characters and story seriously, giving the story weight and gravitas. Great show!

I think Andor's strong writing and people responding to that proves that it doesn't matter if you have Ewan, Hayden, and more people watching your show. Bad writing never wins.

Rewatch Andor: it gets better Rewatch Kenobi: it gets worse

As far as consequences go, the first Obi-wan scene destroys the consequences _twice._ After Obi-wan takes out the Stormtroopers, _another_ batch of troopers show up immediately. No consequences. Then Tala immediately shoots them. No consequences, again. None of it meant anything!

@master_samwise

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. No consequences = no narrative weight.

@armandom.s.1844

Жыл бұрын

@@master_samwise It always seems weird to me like, you know, executing from behind your workmates without any doubt like Tala did. Really hard to understand the characters in the show as real people, I don't think actual persons act like the characters in Kenobi.

@paulmisitano1756

8 ай бұрын

I do want to point out one thing. When the stormtrooper who was previously hot in the leg is shot in the shoulder and dies. The blaster bolt hits trhe body glove. Not the plasteel armor. Gotta point out one good thing, even if it is surrounded by bad.

How has this video not gotten more views this actually felt like a professional video and it is.

The reason Obi-wan doesn't use his lightsaber is simply because the director didn't want it being used before the Vader confrontation later in the episode, rather than for any logic reason for it not being revealed earlier.

Kenobi doesn't treat you like an adult (I'm happy kids enjoyed all the flashy lights), whereas Andor treats you almost like an actual character in the story who has critical thinking skills and rewards your patience.

Gotta love that little Pitch Meeting reference 😂

@christianosminroden7878

Жыл бұрын

I scrolled the comments specifically to make sure this has been pointed out, or I would have. I lolled.

@sushestvobezvolnoe

Жыл бұрын

It was TIGHT!

You hit the nail on the head. Excellent breakdown. Andor feels like there’s something big at stake… that there’s consequences. That feeling builds throughout the show and never goes away. Kenobi was such a disappointment minus the Vader vs. Kenobi duel in the the last episode.

The thing I liked about Andor the most was that it made this Science Fantasy world appear real. Instead of rolling out Stormtroopers at every occasion who are supposed to be a elite corp. selected for their cruelty, competitiveness, and teamwork ability Andor uses sector police and the regular Imperial Army, the soldier types follow their roles and where they would be placed. Combatants act as if they could die instead of wearing massive plot armor or cracking of one shot and then letting the protagonist kill them. It was the first time in a long time the Galactic Empire felt real and the Rebels had their work cut out for them. Extra: in Andor an old woman dies of pneumonia complications and a young man dies after being crushed and not getting medical attention for at least 15min, while in Kenobi Reva got ran through with a lightsaber and left for dead twice only to come back fine.

@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836

11 ай бұрын

Reva should not have survived, especially after facing Vader. Grogu only survived because he was protected and several Jedi died doing so. The only scenario in which I imagine Reva surviving was the younglings trying to escape through the garbage chute or an elevator, running into Vader who killed everyone except Reva, because at that time some Jedi appeared to fight Vader, giving Reva the chance to escape

One thing I love about the heist episode is that once things get bad, a lot of the major characters get shot and you're given no time to process it, and in some cases, you might not even realize it happened. When the shooting started in the hangar, I loved not having so much as a second to internalize that tamaryn and gorn just died. Love that the show doesnt give much time if any to let the audience or the characters dwell on it or else theyll die too. It always hits the hardest when you forget about it entirely and after the shooting stops you get slammed with remembering who didnt make it...

Funny how Andor makes the Stormtroopers surprisingly scary. It deepens the Star Wars world since Stormtroopers are no threat against Jedi or Mandalorians but a terrible tool for oppressing the regular people.

Geeze Andor was bloody incredible. I'm so pumped for the second season.

Remember when Obi-Wan said: "Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"?

10:51 Bro had no chill for the pre mor guards 😭

Stormtrooper are very accurate. In the oh trilogy they killed ever non main character they faced.

@Straswa

Жыл бұрын

"Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise."

@Daniel_Huffman

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that they injured Leia and Artoo in _ROTJ._ In _ANH,_ they are ordered to intentionally miss so as to track the _Millennium Falcon_ to Yavin IV, which Leia only realizes after they are out of "danger." It's also a case of good aim by the stormtroopers in that they can confidently look like they're trying to kill our heroes without accidentally killing them. The closest to bad aim we get is in _TESB,_ but our heroes were running away from the stormtroopers for most of the scene, and the layout of Cloud City means that the stormtroopers can never get close enough to them before they round a corner.

Excellent video. I was so relieved to see action scenes that made sense in Andor.

About the "Storm troopers cant aim meme" we go about. - If you watch New Hope. ObiWan comments the aiming skills of imperial stroopers. He explicitly says "only imperial troopers can make this shot" - Then there is the whole party of Imperial troops missing their targets. But Everyone forgets the scene/dialog that comes after. - VADER HAD placed a tracker on the ship Like, Leia and Han are escaping on. And Han or Leia explicitly says they are unsure of this 'escape'. - Troopers were never meant to shoot those three. They were supposed to put up a fight, but let escape, because Vader suspects it will lead the empire to the rebel base. Which is what happens on Empire Strikes Back immediately.

Man you’re really putting out one banger after another respect

honestly, something i really liked in andor is how omnipresent is the shadow of death. you just feel the tension in those life and death situations. you just feel that rush, that survival instinct in the characters. the characters act as if death can really be upon them, as if they really care for their lives and have to fight for it. in kenobi and many other series, writers seem to have lost their grasp on reality, they seem to have forgotten that death exists or haven't faced it, or even the possibility. you can't even justify kenobi not wanting to kill stormtroopers off because he's a jedi and he cares for the living because life and death does not exist in that narration, it is fictitious, and thus, kind of sterile. (i mean, the fictitious can work sometimes if you just plan for the series to be fictitious and act accordingly. but you can't aim to be realistic and deal with topics such as trauma and it's consequences if you, writer, don't seem to fathom that death exists and can't use it to leave a definite mark on the story. i mean. if your character is free to do anything, have fucking fun with it and play around and just create something entirely new! just go and make something entirely escapist and imaginary, free of our earthly worries. at least present the series you write for what it is, and not as if you really dug up the psyche of the character and such, because in order to do that, you have to face reality, death, and changes.

Also, excellent use of a clip at 21:29. “‘Matter at hand.” 😂

Andor was acted, written, produced, shot with so much reverence for the source material, that now I'm hopelessly spoiled. I grew up with SW, and comics, but as a mature more discerning adult, I crave Andor's level of quality in my nostalgia fixes more often. Cringing hard at several similar Disney series, that just feel lazily rushed, flash with no soul. Just hope for a few well directed thoughtful intelligent non pandering SW and Marvel series, now and then. You served me a fine wine, now I have no desire for anything lesser.

Andor is 100000000000000000000000 times better than any other Disney show in every way possible

What makes the Stormtroopers even more ridiculous is something we saw those blasters have in the very first Start Wars movie to ever grace the screen. Those blasters have stun-modes! Some people might have argued that they didn't want to shoot Obiwan at the first sign of trouble, because they had orders to take him alive... but that is a non-issue if you remember Star Wars: A New Hope and how they captures Leia! Just put the blasters to stun and pull the trigger the very moment he does anything suspicious! No need to try to take a little girl hostage either: Just blast him with a stun-shot and DONE.

Andor really is amazing and left an impact. Literally just today I was thinking about the scene where ol’kid gets crushed so senselessly. Yet his words go on to inspire like damn. It could all end so quickly that’s why you gotta get the message out. Meanwhile I honestly haven’t thought about any of the scenes/memes from obi wan until this video.

Somehow…Leia has returned.

7:30 whats worse about this, anytime they use the lightsaber in the dark they dont even CGI over it, its just what they use during filming (obviously the scene being discussed is in the light)

That scene in Obi-wan was just stupid...like for real. Let me tell you how smart and capable imperials from Andor would've handled this...ready? Let them go! Nope I'm not joking...here is the thing, stormtroopers are supposedly well trained in matters needed for a soldier. They can do roadblocks, checkpoints, being facist supressors etc. what they aren't trained for however is detaining or fighting a jedi, that's what the inquisitors, and for the tougher cases, Vader is for. So just stop at the checkpoint, give the person in command there a (the) sign, disable the barrier and let them drive on.... Aaaaaand just when they are far enough away, radio in their superior and report the suspicious individual. Then tell said superior that you send the probe droid to keep an eye on them, of course far enough away to not be noticed. The report "possible jedi sighted" will get signaled with premium-platin-express speed to Fortess Inquisitorious, where inquisitors will get dispatched (or if they do actually supsect this to be a master, or Obi-wan himself, get Vader involved) all while the suspect is, best case scenario, still oblivious. Once the inquisitors arrive (or vader) it's their problem to deal with. And no, I don't expect for every random, rank and file stormtrooper to be that smart. I do however expect those in command (for example ISP or Inquisition officers) to be smart enough to create such protocols to follow in a "Jedi scenario" situation.

Great analysis! Can't wait to see the next part! 👍 And it's kind of funny on how the Kenobi series irritates you so much that you did tons of analysis 😂 I enjoyed each and every one of them

This video and your writing comparison between the two shows just earned you a sub :)

"They see Leia climbing trees and think, 'yeah, we need a backup.'" So good.

Another cool thing about how Andor overcomes the wannabe cops is that his first attack move is the most efficient thing he could have done. He manuevered his opponets into a position where, with a single headbutt, he temporarily incapacitates one of them and moves completely out of the line of fire of the blaster aimed at him. Two birds with one stone. Efficient, effective and believable.

If you want an example of a character acknowledging they are damned the best is the operative from Serenity. He is Luthien, he is just coming at it from the other direction. His "I am not going to live there" conversation with Mal is chilling.

There are hundreds of things Obi Wan could have done by using the Force to get out of the face scan and somehow the so-called Jedi Master just did took the dumbest course of action (and bad choreography allowed him to get away with it). Let's see... - Jedi Mind Trick both Stormtroopers so they blank out for a brief moment, THEN shoot the probe droid, then do whatever he needs to with the 2 troopers. - Force Push the probe droid into one of the troopers, Force Push the ankle of the other one to make him fall to the ground, shoot each of them. - Force Push the probe droid into the laser fence, Force Pull blasters from everybody's hands on the scene other than Obi Wan himself, then shoot them. - Actually enable Force Speed (Phantom Menace clearly established Obi Wan can do this) and fool around with them like Quicksilver does. - Whip out lightsaber and kill all of them including the probe droid in one quick slash. Fuck it.

@Tevi_L7151

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one of the things that could explain not using force tricks besides the fact that he didn't use it for a long time - he was afraid of attracting the attention of Vader and the inquisitors. It has long been known that Force users can sense each other and their strength in the Force. But the opinion about this is not common knowledge

@aquapendulum

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@@Tevi_L7151 That episode happened after Obi Wan resolved to use the Force to save Leia. He was past the hesitancy at that point.

A new hope had at least an explanaition for the stormtroopers incompetence, their leaders ordered them to let the princess escape

This is a very good breakdown of how these two shows were made. Thank you for making it. Also: That Ryan George reference and the following Disney joke made me laugh in way few videos can :)

Fantastic video in general man, really nicely analyzed and I loved your explanation for why it matters at the end. Love to see more content!

Lol "getting back to the matter at hand" - I see what you did there.

This video was just amazing 🤩 keep up the good work 💪🏼

What great about ANDOR is that it also had amazing spectacle as well. Andor is among the best television I’ve ever seen. I really felt like I was in the Star Wars universe

This is a nice and detailed criticism of the scenes. I'm also glad that I wasn't the only who noticed this when the show came out. It earned you another subscriber. :)

Love your work thanks for calling it out

What a great video! Keep up the quality.

@master_samwise

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Appreciate it! That's the plan!

Great video and analysis, keep em coming

Great analysis! I learned so much. Thank you!

The scene when andor gets picked up by the storm tropers while hes on vacation going to the store is so good, it shows how unfair and terrifying it was to live in the empire, having your life ruined without any evidence is terrifying. And he actually gets put in prison he doesn't just cartoon fight his way thru a soldier unarmed 😂😂😂 it makes it real. for regular people in the empire life was shitty and they couldn't just mind trick, laser sword or telekinesis their way thru the empire they had to deal with the evil shits

I remember in the hangar scene I was nervous for the entirety of the shootout because it felt dangerous, which should be the usual, but not in star wars XD

Thank you so much for this. Great analysis 👏👏👏

Great vid Master Samwise, you made many excellent points.

Even if the writers wanted Obi-Wan to shy away from using lightsaber, their were a million ways to choreograph the scenes to have great action with weight and consequence. Make Obi-Wan be John Wick esque with the blaster + force powers, make him terrible with the blaster forcing him to get close (force speed & reflexes) and shoot at point blank ranges, hell Obi-Wan could have had an extendable baton and beat the shit out of people.

So right. SO RIGHT. Excellent breakdown and comparison !

Andor felt like it made real sense, with characters having agency, their choices mattering, and the gunfights feeling like you could die at any moment.

I'm very excited for the other parts!

@master_samwise

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Part 2 is in the editing phase!

It was sad seeing Kenobi kill itself episode by episode, it had so much potential

@emeraldthunder

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If any of these Stormtroopers were remotely competent, they could have saved the Death Star

@MM-eb7hm

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There is some good news though, I think considering the premiere of mando s3's viewership was only 1.1 million they're about to start feeling the effects of putting out lazy show after lazy show

I am dreading the next shows and films will repeat the trend. -If the show is based on a new or obscure character then it's a masterpiece. -If the show is based on a fan favorite character returning then it will be a disaster.

Nice video man, we will watch your career with great interest

Brutal, los despedasaste totalmente. Gracias por el video.

Master Samwise, you are not looking too much into the scenes. You are showing us exact details that we, viewers, notice with the back of our brain but can't fully process the thoughts into wholesome arguments we can put on the table. But yet, we definitely SEE when the scenes are bad, we just can't tell why. And there you are for that. Thank you.

Lol, Andor even made Storm Troopers look horrifying.

The super easy barely an inconvenience bit was pure Gold

The humor here is so awesome... I don't know how often I had laughed so far, but the "Getting back to the matter at hand" cut at 21:10 was awesome :D As was the reference to "Barely an Inconvenience"

You had me locked in within 2 minutes. Great breakdown.

@master_samwise

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Glad you enjoyed it!

This can be summed up with Kenobi was a silly cash grab and Andor was made with love and care with meticulous attention to detail.

What an incredible analyses. You have a entertaining and educational channel and this series is one of my favorites. Keep this comparison coming! 😁 Mandalorian Season 1 vs Season 3 next?

@master_samwise

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That idea has definitely crossed my mind. I will have to go back to season 1 and rewatch it to see if it really is better than S3 or if it was just my feelings at the time that made it seem so much better.

Antagonists in Andor feel like people, because they are. Antagonists in Kenobi feel like the CGI background fodder in a Marvel movie

It's super fun how Obi Wan tries to go unrecognized but dress himself like an extremely evident jedi master and despite that nobody can even imagine he is a jedi master. Ultimate plot armor script.

amazing video and you get all my love for the ryan george reference

Love the vid, made me laugh at the in depth analysis lmao. Andor treats the Empire like more of a threat. And the action, while still definitely flawed in some episodes, is still pretty well thought through. Andor took a step towards allowing stormtroopers to act like soldiers, but there were still some scenes that made me shake my head and laugh. Like the one guy getting spartan kicked off the tower lol, kinda takes you out of the moment for a few seconds. But I love how all the soldiers (army/ISB/stormtroopers) walk and act like they are trained/professional. Andor is one of my favorite shows, and its plot and story are the true amazing parts. It really helps when the action is more thought out and not mindless bullshit, aka kenobi, parts of BoBF, and parts of mando season 2. Also, I don't even remember finishing Kenobi. I watched some reviews and stuff between vader and obi wan on youtube and thats it. Dropped out after seeing that tower escape and 75 stormtroopers in a cave shooting at exposed rebels literally 15 feet away and missing. That was the last straw in this shitty show. What a waste of McGregor and Christiansen.

Long story short: With Rogue One, Andor and The Mandalorian, Disney shows that they „can Star Wars“ if they want, but as soon as a classic character is involved in a way that would demand them to be more than a side note in the storyline, they drop any trace of commitment to - or even actively work to demolish - the legacy. It’s almost as if they paid billions of dollars for the rights to Star Wars for a single specific purpose, which is to flip a giant finger towards George Lucas, the old cast and/or the fanbase.

I'll never understand how Tala's stormtrooper helmet slap made it past the editing room. They really thought that looked okay... I've seen better action choreography and editing in no-budget fan films.

Andor reminds me of the quote from Futurama " when you do everything right people won't be sure you've done anything at all"

And why Andor is better than The Mandalorian… is your next video.

@R.a.f.a.e.l.

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It really is. Although I love them both.

@Luke_SkywaIker

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The writers of Mandalorian obviously prefer nods to preexisting lore and cameos over a satisfying story. Nearly every episode in S2 can be broken down to “oh this is the boba episode” or “the Ahsoka episode” They initially struck gold with Grogu, but now he’s little more than a marketing tool to get younger audiences invested in the (admittedly) shallow story

@cardellkenith

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@@Luke_SkywaIker they blew their load too quickly with giving him full beskar armour so quickly in season 1. that couldve given them room for a lot more building of their mandolarion society, provided them ample room for those pre-existing lore episodes in the frame of bounty contracts and slowly built up mando to becoming a real force to face by the time he gets full beskar. But they did it all so quickly that they had nothing left but grogu to keep real interest in its own story, and not the cameos of other characters from other stories.

I think Sgt Johnson said it best in Halo CE: “goddamnit Jenkins, fire your weapon!”

I don't know why, but I smile every time when someone analyzes and critiques a show.

When your opponents are weak and un threatening then it makes your hero overcoming them feel unearned

This seems relevant: Years ago I took a stage acting class at community college. Not trying to be an actor or anything, just needed 3 credits, so why not? Anyway, I performed a monologue in the class and I wanted to show how angry my character was. So I set up two chairs next to each other a table. I sat in one, and then when it was time for me to be angry I got up and backhanded the other chair across the stage. After I was done, my teacher complemented my delivery and expression, etc., but she asked me "Why was there a second chair?" My answer was something like "I needed it." And her response was to basically tell me to never have a prop there unless it makes sense for it to be there. Basically, never have things set up a certain way just for the convenience of the story or the characters. It needs to make sense for something to be there. And if it doesn't, then find another way to do it. If I learned that in COMMUNITY COLLEGE as a young 20-something, why do professional writers working on Kenobi not seem to get it?

Nothing kills a story faster for me than destroying my suspension of disbelief

11:38 the storm trooper in the watch tower is just standing there watching as his fellow soldier get killed. lmfao