Murray Walker - who it was said never had a bad word to say about anybody - did say in his autobiography that he never forgave Senna for this incident

@AidanMillward

Жыл бұрын

He was a raging senna fan too.

@y_fam_goeglyd

Жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward it hurts more when you're a fan or a friend (there's a v good chance Senna considered him to be one because which driver didn't? 🤷🏻‍♀️). I was never a fan of Schumacher, so I wasn't hurt by his own nefarious actions. Had Damon acted like that, maybe I would not still be a Damon fangirl.

@nehylen5738

Жыл бұрын

​@@y_fam_goeglyd In concur. I was a fan of Schumacher. Gave him benefit of the doubt in 1994, but Jerez 1997 was a huge disappointment. I still liked him after that, but something was broken.

@AidanMillward

Жыл бұрын

@@nehylen5738 What’s even funnier is the following year Schumacher came out of the pits in Canada and drove Frentzen right off the road and onto the grass, putting him out of the race. And he got a penalty for it. Later that same race Damon blocked him down the straight towards the chicane and Michael was absolutely raging and calling Damon a dangerous driver. 🤣

@ben6993

Жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward he wasn’t necessarily a raging Senna fan, he’s said in interviews that he was a great person but never rated him above Prost. He said as much in his Beyond the Grid interview

I hate that the “no longer go for a gap” quote is celebrated as a racing philosophy instead of the pathetic excuse for an egregious intentional crash it was

@jaywalkallstar

Жыл бұрын

I’m with Senna on this one. For the second year in a row the FIA was going to screw Senna out of a title and give it to Prost (see lining Senna up on the right side of the track as opposed to the left and in 89 when Senna was disqualified over some bullshit). Senna knew that if neither he or Prost finished, then Senna would win the title. I call this an epic racing move to secure a world championship.

@Zezezeze69

Жыл бұрын

@@jaywalkallstarWhile I do think the quote is a bit silly, I do agree wholeheartedly with what you say. I don’t really mind dirty driving personally and I do love to see someone willing to do anything to win. Personally back in 2021 I was kind of hoping Verstappen would pull a Suzuka 90 on Hamilton to secure the WDC on countback.

@DerEinzige21

Жыл бұрын

​@@Zezezeze69Well he actually did it in Monza '21. It just didn't have the effect on the championship because of the crash in Silverstone.

@thereal84

Жыл бұрын

Fr bruh

@adambrush5445

10 ай бұрын

Agreed. It was a bullshit top of the head quote to deflect Jackie Stewarts fair questioning. Running into Prost at 160mph~ robbed us of a potential epic battle for the championship. Not to mention it was dangerous and irresponsible.

Suzuka '90 is one of the pivotal points that people have questioned Senna's moral compass. Like you've mentioned, he cared a lot about the safety and well being of other divers, but to see him as the ruthless, win at all cost no matter what driver makes people beliving that he is contradicting himself, just because he was DQ'ed 12 months prior. Like you've also mentioned he also called Prost "coward" for putting a hard NO on him at Williams for 1993, but journalists again put his moral compass under question as he did a similar thing very early into his own F1 career. Back in the 1986 off-season Elio de Angelis left Lotus after 6 teams donning the black and gold and gave Colin Chapman's final F1 win before his passing in late 1982. Derreck Warwick was considered as a replacement, but Senna kiboshed the idea as "Lotus doesn't have the resources to maintain two cars equally challenging for the win" and stuff. Instead Johnny Dumfires was choses, but he and Satoru Nakajima (who replaced him at the behest of Honda, who were supplying engines for Lotus) were nowhere near close to Senna, who was the undisputed leader in a team that was slowly beginning its decline, which would lead to their demise after 1994. Schumacher was disqualified "for less" is something that most people disagree. Remember that 3 years ago at Adelaide he collided with Damon Hill under very sus circumstances. The Michael was out, but Hill limped on to the pits when it was discovered that the suspension was kaput, meaning that Damon couldn't get the vital 1 point he needed and Schumacher won by default. Of course Williams tried to lodge a protest, but given the situation surrounding the investigation of Senna's death (since by the Italian law any death at sporting event is looked as it was a crime scene) it was thrown out. And back to Jerez, Martin Brundle (by then Walker's commenting partner on ITV) has said this: “That didn’t work Michael, You’ve hit the wrong part of him, my friend”. What Brundle was implying, was that The Michael was targeting one key part of the Williams - the suspension, which like Adeliade would've in theory given him the title by default (unless he was caught, which he would've had IMO) if Villeneuve's suspension was damaged beyond repair. But as we all know, Villeneuve limped on to finish 3rd (despite of allegations that Williams and McLaren had colluded), won the title and Schumacher got excluded for his troubles. This is by no means a way to diminish the accomplishements of Senna and Schumacher, but they've had that darker side in which they were ruthless and were going to do whatever it takes to accomplish their goals.

@reptongeek

Жыл бұрын

However it could be argued that this darker side actually cost them championships. Villeneuve allegedly wouldn't have made the corner at Jerez in 1997 (something we'll never know admittedly), but Rascassgate was another matter entirely. Given Michael finished 5th at that race from a pitlane start, it is conceivable that he could have actually won, and the title momentum could have swung his way and not Alonso's And I will go a little bit further. Alonso could have won the title in 2007 but because he let Lewis Hamilton get into his head, Hungary happened. He didn't need team orders to win

@baddrivingsouthwales4789

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Senna called Prost a coward for vetoing Senna from Williams in 1993; but everyone forgets that Senna vetoed Derek Warwick from the Lotus team in the mid-1980s; which if you look at Warwick’s luck in F1 from the mid-1980s on with regards to drives, it could be argued that Senna’s veto of Warwick potentially destroyed Warwick’s F1 career. He eventually got to drive for Lotus when Senna moved to McLaren, but they’d long past their best by then. Then he just ended up stuck in struggling, tail-end teams. Senna was at least as dirty a player as he accused others of being. He was just cunning at covering his tracks with it. Devious, he was. Devious. Atleast when Prost did things, he was honest about it. 💁

@mamavswild

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s called racing and being a champion. They are all ruthless.

@reptongeek

Жыл бұрын

@@mamavswild Damon Hill wasn't

@somebloke2238

Жыл бұрын

TLDR

I watched this stuff play out live back in 89 & 90. It was riveting. I was a Williams fan at the time and couldn't care less if the McLarens and Ferraris took themselves out. When Senna got back to the McLaren garage after the crash at Suzuka in 1990, the Honda mechanics were not overjoyed to greet him. They felt he had dishonoured Honda with the deliberate crash. He truly was a Dr. Jerkyl & Mr. Hyde personality.

@tjroelsma

Жыл бұрын

Well, if you're totally honest Prost totally screwed Senna over by ramming him out of the race. After seeing that Senna continued the race Prost then ran to his "friend" Jean Marie Balestre to not just get Senna disqualified for that race so he, Prost, would become World Champion, but Prost's little talk with Balestre also got Senna's superlicense suspended for 6 months. Senna eliminating Prost to become World Champion was just payback and payback's a bitch.

@rogeeeferrari

Жыл бұрын

@@tjroelsma Sorry, Senna rammed Prost in 89, going for a gap that wasn't there. I'll take James Hunt's instant opinion that the crash was 100% Senna's fault. of course all the Senna FanBois blame it on Prost. Regardless, no excuse for his cowardly act in this race, he should have had all his points taken away...

@Pseedholm

Жыл бұрын

@@rogeeeferrari my guess is TJ was referring to the 89 event as the primary cause of the 1990 event

@rogeeeferrari

Жыл бұрын

@@Pseedholm Thats what I was referring to as well, in 89 Senna makes a suicide move and rammed into Prost, totally Senna's fault. Regardless as I said, no excuse for his cowardly actions in japan 1990

@michaelkitchin9665

Жыл бұрын

I think Senna knew the dangers of the sport but, being such a religious bloke, he never thought it would happen to him. God gave him his talents, God would protect him. It's why he drove like he did whereas Prost became more about getting the car home. Senna was miles back when he went for the move in '89 but he believed he could pull it off. Prost wasn't going to move out of the way. It's a racing incident through and through, in my opinion.

Imho, Senna should've been disqualified from the season like Schumacher was in 97, this was a very big impact, luckily they both remained upright.

@rs660alec3

Жыл бұрын

Verstappen 2021 as well

@mrorangepeel659

Жыл бұрын

You probably weren’t even alive to watch it happen at the time… drivers had balls back then.

@Gamebit257

Жыл бұрын

@@rs660alec3 by that logic: Hamilton in 2021 in regards to the Silverstone incident.

@jamesstewart1794

Жыл бұрын

@@rs660alec3 your social activist Hamilton also passed Max off the track on lap 1

@jamesstewart1794

Жыл бұрын

@@Gamebit257 Mr #BLM can do no wrong tho

I know the crusade of Senna for security in F1. I knew this episode from 1990s Suzuka. But for some reason I never put 2 and 2 together and wondered "why this polar opposite reaction to everything he's fighting for ??”. This will be a headscratcher for me for quite a long time, thankfully hair is gone since more than a decade. Great video as always, thank you.

Nigel Mansell also had a couple of altercations with Ayrton both on track (famously grabbed by the collar of his overalls at spa in '87) and in the drivers briefing (pre Barcelona '91. He's also gone on record as saying Senna was so good that he didn't need to be a bellend. Then there's the incident on the podium in Hungary' 92, where Senna was in highly charitable mood

@jamesmcinerney2882

Жыл бұрын

Everyone seems to forget that Mansell was the only one at the time who could beat Senna fair and square on the track. It was a shame that he didn't have reliable cars during the period of Senna's ascendancy (1988/91).

@privateinformation2960

11 ай бұрын

I still to this day remember the day Mansell missed out on his first championship by half a point and blowing tyres on the back straight at Adelaide. Heartbreak in my house that day. Damn I'm old.

A very interesting note to the whole Prost/Senna saga is originally Ron Dennis wanted Nelson Piquet for 1988 (Piquet's Williams contract was ending in 1987 and was looking elsewhere) and not Senna. Alain Prost lobbied Senna to Dennis as he felt Senna was the future and a better choice for McLaren, even though Prost was friends with Piquet. So Prost was quite instrumental in getting Senna into McLaren.

Have you ever thought of doing a video on the Senna/Piquet feud, which seems to have its roots in their families being on opposite sides of the turbulent politics of Brazil in the earlier era. Bruno and Nelson Jr. however are friendly.

@terminateshere

Жыл бұрын

I had no idea about the origin of their feud. +1 for wanting to know more about this.

@pranc236

Жыл бұрын

I knew there was one but never knew why. It would be a great video. A Gordan Murray interview touched on this subject. Piquet didnt care for senna but i always thought it was the younger talent issue. Makes perfect sense though. Nothing divides like politics.

@inno-v8-ion165

Жыл бұрын

@Brian Boulter So in other words, Senna was Gatsby and Piquet was Tom Buchanan?

Imagine if Twitter witnessed this as it was happening. Imagine the controversy.

There's a long interview with Prost in the official F1 channel where he talks about those incidents. While talking about winter before 1994 where they got close, he said Senna had told him some things as a secret, and Prost said he wouldn't ever reveal. These things might be confessions, reasons for some things he'd done, or just about his personal life. After this interview where Prost litterally admits Senna as a part of his story with 0 regrets, I no longer feel the need to hate Senna because of his bad actions despite it being reasonable, just because they were finally in peace with each other. Prost himself doesn't hate Senna, he just hates the way Senna's fanboys portray his documentary's happenings as a hate crime made by Prost against Senna ( such as a villain), but this movie doesn't have the *rest* of the story, where neither of them are the villain, they just ended up as good friends, but both Senna and Prost's fanbases are still fighting to this very day about who's to blame for what. At least it's not worse than what # TeamLH is nowadays.... what a dumb mess.

@AidanMillward

Жыл бұрын

Tbf all the fanbases are areeholes today because of Twitter. Max fans tutting at Masi getting the death threats after AD but forgetting all the n word DMs and stuff that was being sent to Lewis after Silverstone. Pointing fingers but not realising they’re pointing at a mirror.

@pranc236

Жыл бұрын

Agree op, if someone is a senna fan and wants a good story about him… prost is the best place to get it. All drivers are humans and all humans make mistakes. The optics of that crash are really bad and it is the worst thing senna did to someone else. Senna still one of the best of all time. So is Prost without a doubt.

@rigel8755

Жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward For sure! I've been laughing my ass off of the chaos that Zandvoort and Monza GPs generated on Twitter. It's fricking bonkers, reading hate comments there was never that funny since AD 2021..

@rigel8755

Жыл бұрын

@@pranc236 Reckless Senna fans will never realize that who knows the most about what happened before his death since Prost retired, *is Prost himself.* He carries much of Senna's legacy as his own family. This comes from me, as a brazilian and a Senna fan. I've seen so much dumbness around brazilians conspiring against everyone else mostly in regards of his death... I bet half of brazilian fans don't even know the investigation about the accident existed, was concluded and closed. Some still think it's a ''mistery'' and that someone purposefuly killed him, that the FIA is a big mafa and all sorts of shite...

@pranc236

Жыл бұрын

@@rigel8755 u are correct, im a senna fan too. The arguments seemed to be with ppl that only saw the doc on him. U cant get through to these ppl. I usually leave them with. He was very passionate and that will bring out the best and worst in ppl. Would like to ask u about his name though. Ayrton… is it a brazilian name? Common or not. Its really the only thing i have not gotten in real information on. Thanks for ur time. 😉

Senna movie, they show a clip of him talking to Roland B... (not going to spell that) about starting on the left side of the grid. This is about the one hour mark (on Netflix) Not sure what year it actually is, but it is framed like it was at Suzuka. Looks like it is actually Hockenheim which IF it is 1990 changes things a bit. I feel this contributes to this story a lot.

The last F1 podium without a European driver, and a real feel-good story for Moreno. Some people went home happy at least. And finally we can compare Senna's actions with some of Schumacher's more belligerent actions. If you did this in the early-era online discussions of the late 90s and early 00s, you were torn to shreds.

@TheD2JBug

Жыл бұрын

I remember . I took a lot of shit online in those days

I don't hate on Senna, but I don't hold back on slamming him either. He was one of the most gifted and hardworking drivers ever born, but he was also a spoiled brat in a lot of ways, and this was the biggest, most spectacular example of that. I also stand by my contention that a lot of the fandom remains bamboozled by his charisma, by his ability to convince you that, "something very important for the world was going" around him. That's the key difference between Senna and Schumacher imho.

@AidanMillward

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much what I say about him. Massively talented driver but had a victim complex the size of the moon.

@privateinformation2960

11 ай бұрын

I have the same issue with Shoemuncher. If he had been the same guy driving for Mercedes as he was the rest of his career he would have been a legit legend. Instead he was just another Senna. Highly talented indeed but with championships he never should have been awarded.

Great Series and content Aidan. I am sure you wish to have watched all these races live as we oldsters did.

Great video. Always look forward to your vids on the 80s and early 90s

Gosh you're young, Aidan... Really good video. This was the definitive rivalry of the sport, and it was a shocking heel turn by Ayrton. I think he never really got back his reputation afterward. I know we've all seen the Senna documentary but I'd recommend reading the book Senna versus Prost, by Malcolm Folley. It really delves into how the rivalry between the two built up over the years, and of course while sadly only Prost could be interviewed I felt he was fair and even handed in the recollections.

Ayrton Sena's dedication, passion and skill are something to be remembered..... his attitude is definitely a Brazilian trait to not be proud of, still one of my favorites!!!

I don’t know how people can defend senna in the 1989 and 1990 incidents. People who defend senna there really have no clue what racing is.

Hello Aidan: This was very, very interesting. You do this sort of thing really well. Thank you.

Great video Aidan! It's videos like this why I subbed to you years ago. I also have to say how admirable it is that you basically had your whole channel destroyed from that copyright claim and you just kept on and now you have a library of videos again. You make great content and you're also very admirable in keeping on. Keep it up man! Love what you do!

As always, your videos are so great!

“This isn’t hating or slamming” Senna: “hold my beer”

@aydankhaliq2967

Жыл бұрын

*slams*

While I deeply admired the talent that Senna had I equally despised his mentality, it's one thing not to care whether you survive but using that as a threat towards others is a whole other matter. The most irksome thing is that he didn't need to be this way, he had the talent to be the best without needing to be a loose cannon all the time

@foneco

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts as well.

your channel is my antidote to all of the abysmal f1 channels that have cropped up recently. thanks!

Brazilian and Senna fan here. I go with Top Gear Special on that one: Senna could be the most caring person anywhere else but when driving for the win he was absolutely ruthless! Not 100% sure but from memory I seem to remember that even on his early F1 days he was already considered to be reckless and knew people called him reckless and hated being called reckless - I think I read this on his biography. (Won't mention his accident with Brundle in F3 I think cause I didn't know that till I saw on Top Gear and though it clearly shows Senna was always like that my perception of him as a racing driver was from what I've seen on F1 only). As for the 1990 incident yes it was a direct consequence of the 1989 accident and Senna's perceived 'everyone against me' mentality. Also I seem to remember Piquet sort of defending Senna on the 1990 pre-racing debriefing mentioning the 1989 accident and as said on the video they were less than friends so Piquet had no reason to say what he said - and after hearing this Senna stormed off. Anyway all that was said on this video is pretty much my take on this. Just one quick 'trivia' regarding the Schumacher penalty years later: I remember reading (or seeing an interview?) where Schumacher said he did what he did because he learned it from Prost/Senna in 1989/90 and if they could win a championship by crashing into the opponent why wouldn't he? And I believe this is why the rules were changed and he got penalized. Sure doing it twice in a row didn't help but saying what he said was the last straw...

@AidanMillward

Жыл бұрын

Schuamcher was deemed to have done it in the heat of the moment and it not been pre meditated. Think he also got done in part to the fact he denied/lied about it to the fia as well.

Thank you for clearly stating all the truthful facts about this event. I'd already appreciated one of your other videos on the magnesium Honda from 68, this one here got me subbed to your channel. Very impressive work you do!

One of the best videos you have done.

Good stuff, thanks. One of those events that has probably more theories and stories regarding it than what actually happened. And of course, as you said, the story went on in 1991 when Senna gave some more thoughts on it in the press conference after winning the title.

1989: Prost took out Senna deliberately 1990: Senna took out Prost deliberately

@Bennyboy1985

8 ай бұрын

People (particularly British F1 fans, for some strange reason) only think the latter was bad. Because Senna was: a) Not a European driver (especially not a British or French driver) b) Not a Ferrari driver c) An intense, God-fearing Latin American landowners' sun Most of the Senna hate has less to do with his driving and more to do with his character or whether people have a personal dislike of him anyway...

i was about 2 and 3 months, i dont remember this and all i know is what i have been told and videos i have watched on the incident, its good to get a full insight into it all in one video

Senna definitely had a moral code and a sense of racing ethics, though I think he was the only one who could reconcile those with his actual behaviour on track in his head. He must have lived with a severe cognitive dissonance problem, which may explain all his outbursts and extreme emotional displays.

@rigel8755

Жыл бұрын

Saying Senna was mentally ill is another level...

Man appreciated that Hunt accent... It was close Aidan!

You are simply fantastic!

8 days old? We'll forgive you then for not remembering. 😅 Had there been a Red Flag & a restart, Senna would've been in the same mindset, but Prost would have tried to suck him in & brake at the last moment, so that Senna went flying off from too much speed, allowing Prost to turn in late, & drive off to win the race giggling all the way. I would have laughed my arse off.

@unfortunately_fortunate2000

Жыл бұрын

wouldve been hilarious to see that, either Senna would have gone straight off in that scenario or launch it around the outside since Prost would be braking early

" Schumacher got tossed out for less " fucking right . The Senna worshippers in the F1 fanbase who shit on Schumacher are the most hypocritical people .

Well done Aidan on what is a very tribal subject. It’s interesting that this brings out such contrasting opinions even after all this time.

I watched 1989 Suzuka live on ITV as a 10 year-old French boy obviously wanting Prost to win (my 2nd or 3rd GP, maybe?). I remember feeling that Senna was disgusting at the time. Didn't watch Adelaide or F1 until 1993 again as a result. Eventually I learned about this 1990 crash and felt it was bad, but not too much about it: it was just in my mind that Senna did things so, and that was "normal", in a way. Eventually, when online video appeared, I could finally watch for myself, with all the knowledge I had acquired as an adult, after watching Ratzenberger, Barrichello, Senna himself, Hakkinen, Schumacher (99) crash very badly, or the stories of these guys having died from receiving a F1 tyre upon their head (Imola 94 and also Melbourne in 1999 or 2000, I believe?) From then, in my mind, Senna had gone from "pretty questionable yet fantastic driver" to "absolute madman & bastard, despite being a fantastic driver", thinking how much he had endangered people on a whim that day. I both can and cannot fathom his personality cult.

@jamesstewart1794

Жыл бұрын

I mean , he is also Hamilton's hero

@StevePhoenix

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesstewart1794 What does Hamilton have to do with OP's comment?

10:35 Senna hit the side. His front left wheel and Prost's rear right were the contact point.

Wish I could give an extra like for that hunt impression 😂

A) That Jim Beam segment was the signature driving style of James Hunt. And he's celebrated for this. B) Senna didn't lift but Prost DID close the gap. C) The year before, the cutting the chicane decision was political. People cut chicanes all the time and it's OK if they don't gain advantage. Which Senna did not. D) It can be successfully argued that Prost did the EXACT same thing in that final chicane collision as Senna did the year after. In fact, what Prost did was pretty much what Schumacher did to Vlilleneuve.

Good James Hunt impression 💯

Well, Senna also "believed" that gawd bestowed upon him the right to win every race he entered, so I'm pretty sure the FIA didn't agree to the switching of the pole spot.

Great video, i would be very interested to find out why there where these 2 sides to Senna, but i suspect we never will find out

0:38 EIGHT DAYS OLD??? Now I understand some of your viewpoints better. Hard to believe that there were almost no comparisons of Senna/Prost to MSC/VIL in '97. Thanks for making it, in a clear and concise manner.

I remember very clearly watching the race live on TV the tension was beyond measure, I feel privileged to has seen all the Prost/Senna races on telly as well as at the circuits.

Honestly, I've never been able to understand the cult of personality surrounding Senna. No matter how charitable and considerate he was at times, he turned into a ruthless sociopath when the red mist descended and he would do absolutely ANYTHING to win. Admittedly, all racing drivers have to be somewhat ruthless, but Senna (and Schumacher) took that ruthlessness to a whole new level and I can't possibly ignore that personally. That's why Jim Clark will always be my racing hero. He was ruthless, too, at times, but he was always a good sport.

@icey2203

3 ай бұрын

You said you don’t understand why he’s a cult of personality and then go on to in your same comment explain why he is revered in that way. It’s BECAUSE he was both. He was generous and considerate unless you were both sittin in F1 cars racing for F1 points.

Unless he’d gotten a better start the second time after a restart, absolutely YES, Senna would have run Prost off the road again. The man was determined not to let Prost and Balestre get another one over him……… as he saw it.

I was waiting for it to happen. True story.

I'd argue that the favoritism was towards Senna since he wasn't DQ'd like Schumacher. And since there was another race to run after Japan, a race ban wouldn't really be illogical considering that he put another driver at risk in such a blatant way.

@y_fam_goeglyd

Жыл бұрын

Remember that this was the first totally obvious time it had happened, and again obviously, it was before _that_ weekend in '94 when the FIA went safety mad. Eventually. Because remember also that Schumacher didn't get kicked out for deliberately crashing into Damon Hill in the last race. He did exactly what Senna did, only fortunately at a much reduced pace during the same year that Senna died. But it was as deliberate and as despicable an action. (Yes, I'm a Damon fangirl, but I also was 50:50 - most of the time - regarding Senna and Prost. Neither men were angels!) It wasn't really until '95 that extra rules regarding driving standards and safety in general would start to be implemented. Also, by '97 Schumi had done a few other dubious things and the FIA were put into a bind. If they didn't punish him for such a wanton act of stupidity and bad sportsmanship (or cheating, depending on your POV), doing it to someone else in the future would be more difficult and they didn't want to set yet another precedent. I think it was a combination of his actions on that day _and_ all the other dodgy things he did that got him banned. It's not like he truly learned his lesson, as he blatantly cheated later on to keep his pole position, etc. I don't knock the man's talent, or his off-track behaviour, but he was no gentleman _on_ track.

@driffielddodger7412

Жыл бұрын

A one race ban may not have made Senna think too much because he would still be champion in 1990 and nothing affecting 1991. A better solution may have been to ban him from the first 2 races of the 1991 season thereby putting at risk his ability to be champion again in 91. That might have got him thinking a bit.

Ive watched many of your videos and a subject i think you should do a video on is the mystery death of henri toivonen although its a tricky subject ive been researching it for over 20 years been the crash site 4 times and although im no expert i can if interested ?

@y_fam_goeglyd

Жыл бұрын

He did one on the deadly years of rallying which contained this sad story. However, I don't know if it's still up. The title will make it obvious if you want to have a look. HTH :)

@forcedinduction2918

Жыл бұрын

@@y_fam_goeglyd yes true but with so much untold story out there which many are unaware of it would make an interesting video but as ive stated its a tricky subject but has many unanswered questions

I like them both. The differing personalities is what F1 needs more of today.

Senna had a massive habit of it as well, Nannini in 1990, Mansell in Adelaide in 1992. As a kid, i was a Benetton Fan and saw this as Senna way out of line, as has been said Schumacher got pinched for less. It also shows that probably until the 1997 Schumacher decision F1 was the wild west in relation to this stuff.

Hi! Great vid! Interesting question! So I think Senna would do it if he had a oppportunity to make it 'look' like a collision! Thanks for reading!

The James Hunt impression is quite good!

This is amazing

The excitement that Senna created when racing is totally missed in any forensic analysis over 30 years later. Whether he was the 'best' or not is subjective. Imagine dissecting the 2021 release or non release of the safety car in the final race in 2051 giving the title to Verstappen, it's just numbers and facts without the emotions of how you felt. Can't put a number on what a driver made you feel at the time...

@stuartwelsford8909

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Well said

your intro could also be used for the dan ticktum Ricky collard incident at sliverstone in 2015

Great Hunt impersonation sir.

I love the James Hunt impression.

One of the most objective opinion of the many that I have heard on this incident. And I also think that the move Senna did would be outrageous on these days and maybe even a few years later , as the Shumacher-Villenueve incident.

Michael Schumacher being excluded from the championship was always a bit of a hollow gesture, as he was excluded from second place, and nobody cares about second place. Would the FIA have disqualified Schumacher if it meant stripping him of the title? I don’t know that they would have. The constructors title is where all the money is, but the fans really only care about the driver’s championship. Stripping McLaren of their constructors points and giving them a huge fine in 2007 was a big hit to the team, but their two star drivers still kept their points and were contenders for the championship. If they really wanted to send a message to teams, they would have penalized the drivers too.

"Would Senna have done it again if the race had been restarted?" Absolutely. It would have been interesting to see how the FIA would have responded to it.

Prost absolutely deserved it. the 1990 title of course (and the 1988 one as well)

@AidanMillward

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Had me in the first half ngl.

@matiasfpm

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Heheeeé boiii

pretty solid hunt impression

@driffielddodger7412

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Yeah but he didn't sound drunk enough or swear like James did at Monaco 89 which was disappointing so only 7/10.

Can you imagine if Social Media had existed back then? With the way people reacted to the Verstappen vs Hamilton battle last year with the public pressure actually forcing F1 to change rules and people in charge over what people thought they had seen. If it had been around in that time I doubt people like Bealstre or even maybe Prost would've remained in the sport, if all the Senna "fans" had made their voices heard as loud as they could it could've changed F1 entirely.

Glad Moreno made an appearance in this video at some point

Of course the Frenchman would loose on Oct 21st... Its Trafalgar Day after all!

Senna was a great driver who had a problem with sportsmanlike conduct.

@aprilkurtz1589

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@Rachel Wood Well, I would have been more accurate, but I don't want to upset any of Senna's fans.

This incident in particular is the very reason why I dislike Senna. He was an incredibly talented driver. But had this attitude that the track was his and everyone else had to get out of his way. He was more than fine with putting others in danger just so he could win.

Good one, the comments section is going to just blow up. Cant wait to come back and read them tomorrow. 🤣

Read the title of this video in murray walkers voice in my head

One thing worth noting is that the collisions between Prost and Senna both in 1989 and 1990 were quite unprecedented. Not even the duel between Villeneuve and Pironi, the two Ferrari drivers who had a falling out in 1982 similar to Senna and Prost, had been this bad. So indeed, the first time a driver was comprehensively punished (albeit to no material effect) was Schumacher after he tried to take Villeneuve Jr. out at Jerez. As for comparing the two Prost/Senna collisions, I don't see much of a difference. The 1990 collision looks far worse, but it really wasn't. In all likelihood Senna was speculating that Prost would take a more conservative line as in order to avoid this kind of coming together. And Senna simply realized that he could take greater risks. Quick note on the 1989 Suzuka/season recap. If Senna's win at Suzuka in 1989 had been confirmed, his bid for the championship would have stayed alive! The GP at Adelaide would have been a show down based on the following arithmetic: Senna 1st (69+9=78 pts), Prost 2nd (76+6-4=78pts) > Senna and Prost both end the season 78 pts, but Senna would have had 8 wins over Prost's 4.

Murray Walker was at his best in that crazy start. Even in the film Senna mainly features Murray's commentary for that moment.

"I'm disappointed in you." Ron Dennis to Senna.

@driffielddodger7412

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Pretty meaningless comment from Ron. After Portugal 89 when mansell and senna crashed after mansell allegedly ignored a black flag Ron said if that's the Ferrari team management idea of sportsmanship then they should change the management! Ok Ron so if you allow your own driver to do that at Suzuka 1990 with no punishment from the team what does that say about you? His comments after estoril 89 are on the record so there's a pretty hefty dose of hypocrisy there. Great team principal overall though.

As an American, I have to say that Dale Earnhardt Sr taking out Terry Labonte at Bristol in both the 1995 & 1999 night races is right up there with this as the most egregious attempt to take out a fellow competitor in racing history. Dale Sr was known for driving "like a SOB" according to fellow NASCAR drivers and the list of his takeouts is too many to name. However the 2 incidents at Bristol I listed above are the most infamous & well known in his career so much so that they are included in his highlights package on NASCAR's KZread page. Unlike Senna though, Dale Sr didn't give a damn about safety in NASCAR so much so that when the HANS device was introduced to the sport in 2001, he called it "that damned noose" thinking he would choke during a crash if wore it. A few weeks after he made those comments, he was killed on the last lap of the Daytona 500.

@worldofradiocontrol10

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I think Noah Gragson takes the trophy now, with his Road America incident.

@jacekatalakis8316

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I'd start running from angry Dale fanboys that'll come in here screaming about you desecrating Nascar Jesus. Dale was a dirty driver with a cult of personality that grew after his death. Dale was good, but not this mythical can do no wrong figure so many fans seem to think of him... Much like Senna, come to think of it. I'm honestly amazed IROC never tried in the late 80s/early 90s to get Senna, they went out of their way to get at least one or two international drivers for a good few years after all, Brundle was in it for a while, Derek Bell, et al.

Imagine if this happened now, social media and media and fans on social media would make a flame war unlike anything seen before.

Was OPTION 13 used in 1990?

Berger went after Qualifying in 87 when he was on pole he mentioned that myth about him going in 1990 after qualifying is funny as his only comment in 90 was a just poles on the wrong side anyway but that was before practice. From a interview later on.

I was 29, and I remember that race, like it was yesterday. I couldn't stand Senna.

Oh....and Balestre used to make the rules up as he went along. So he favoured Prost and Ferrari and Renault. Getting Max Mosley elected as FIA President was a breath of fresh air from the alleged corruption of Balestre

9 out of 10 for the JH impression Aiden, next time cig in mouth and beer in hand and its a 10

1989 was all Senna's fault too. He started the attempted pass from the pitlane entrance, and was never going to make the corner/chicane w/o banging into Prost.

Sorry but being a ginormous bad sport is ridiculous and EXTREMELY shallow for an athlete at the worlds highest level. Senna and Schumacher have this in common and they both have championships that were won from shameful tactics. Imagine how insane this would be if it happened nowadays. The driver would be kicked out of the sport for purposely crashing into someone to clinch a title

I have heard it said that Atilla the Hun was a nice quiet bloke too!

21st of October 1990, I was 4 years and 8 days old that day :)

October 1990? I was 5 months pregnant with my first. Didn't stop me getting up early to watch the race though! Thanks for making me feel old! 😉 Tbh, yes, Senna would have taken him out on the restart. He was a genius racer, but he was a very flawed genius. He could be such a nice lad, too 🤷🏻‍♀️

While Senna might have called Prost a coward for not wanting him on the same team, it helps to remember that Senna did something similar. In 1986, Senna was at Lotus and vetoed Derek Warwick's choice to be in the other car. He said it was because the team couldn't provide equal cars to both drivers, and he was contractually the lead driver. This is why at the last minute, Johnny Dumfries was hired and soon proved to be absolutely no challenge to Senna. Warwick would never have a shot at a winning F1 car again. The rest of his career was in with a Brabham team that had seen better days, the perennial midfielders Arrows, finally at a Lotus only a distant memory from its glory days, and a return to Arrows as Footwork. Derek Warwick is considered one of the best F1 drivers to have never won a race

@driffielddodger7412

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Excellent comment and a lot of people forget that. For Senna to whine about Prost having superior equipment in 93 was pathetic. When Senna won 3 titles in 4 years did he say, oh it's not fair, please give all the other teams Honda engines?? Lol, of course not!! Fairness is when I win, not you!!

Aiden, you were 8 days old when Senna took out Prost. I was 11 days old when Dale Sr. died...

I like how people praise senna, but forget that he was like that always. He was driving to win and nothing else

Always been a Senna fan, but now i'am thinking........(lol). However Michael and Max where/are also like him... One thing is sure, it makes them the fastest of all and superinteresting to watch.....

The origin the pole controversy doesn't often get talked about when someone debunks it, but it may have spawned from the FIA's own actions. The FIA in the late 80s was re-evaluating all of the circuits they recognize and several over this period had changes recommended - some changes were implemented, some were not. It has been said that in late 1989 Suzuka's recommendations came up, and all that was recommended was, you guessed it, switching pole position to the outside. Obviously this never happened, but it may have been misunderstood by some that this was SUPPOSED to happen but was either reversed going into the weekend, or officials forgot about it. Eventually the erroneous claim got to Senna, and he made his request based on it. The big issue with this notion is that Senna is not known to have said anything about any sort of recommendation of this type, and the only thing we can say for certain about the whole thing is that track evaluations WERE occurring sometime in this timeframe.

Takes me back to being 18. I can remember being up in the middle of the night here in America , And trying not to yell at the TV and wake up my parents.

I was an active F1 fan since 1975 and I know that one can only be as good as He was if when you wear your helmet you just forget about all that surrounds you and your only focus is on winning no matter the cost! I saw Senna on the Kart world championship, i saw him on his 1st victory, both in Estoril. As soon as he put the helmet on for the race he was a man possessed.

The champions photo in Adelaide 1990 had all the previous and current champions ( Hunt, Stewart, Hulme, piquet, Fangio, Senna and Brabham) without Prost. Prost said if there was 1% chance, he would say ok . . . But it wasn’t 1% . . .he hit my wing. The rear wing. . He didn’t hit my right wheel or the side of the car. . .he just push me from behind.

Ah yes, everyone’s favourite deliberate punt before silverstone 21.. peak irony

Prost started it when they were teammates at McLaren claiming that McLaren was sabotaging him by giving senna superior equipment when in reality at the time, Senna was just clear of him. Senna just ended it, and emphatically. That’s racing.

Senna is the most blatant example of a driver switching personalities when he puts the helmet on.

Blatant attempt to take anyone out? Matt Kenseth at Martinsville: Hold my beer!!! 🤣🤣

I remember watching the incident on TV, I was 35 at the time 😁 Not only did Senna put his and Prost's life at risk but also the entire pursuing pack of cars and drivers not to mention marshalls and even spectators. Senna may have claimed a close affinity to God but he certainly did not have an intimate relationship with the laws of physics that day. He should have received a life ban for his actions. His genius was flawed and indirectly led to the acceptance of the tendency of the "uncompromising" tactics displayed by other drivers since, e.g. M Schumacher for one.