I started following David Rohl when I saw his movie Pharaoh's and Kings. It fascinated me because it was revolutionary and most of all logical. Then Patterns of Evidence blew me away. I think he brings the correct and sincere understanding of biblical archeology

I've done 30 years of genealogy. It's amazing how much old erroneous info people will just accept and repeat and it's nothing but a huge house of cards. NEVER assume the older "experts" have anything correct. EVERYTHING should be reevaluated.

@nicholashudson7148

Жыл бұрын

So in other words can’t believe you either thanks for that

@M0rmagil

Жыл бұрын

You might like this one. 😁 kzread.info/dash/bejne/o3mKm9OopdOYnbQ.html

@mixk1d

Жыл бұрын

@garyallen8824 there is actually a difference between a change that updates a paradigm and a change that breaks the paradigm.

@kp-legacy-5477

Жыл бұрын

@garyallen8824 example. Zahi hawass the dude is probably the prime example of the dogma of archeology and egyptology

@YourTID

Ай бұрын

Zahi Hawass was one of the worst things that ever happened to Egyptology, and that's saying a lot.

I find Dr. Rohl fascinating. I love history, but he brings so much energy to it, he makes me love it anymore.

@kp-legacy-5477

2 жыл бұрын

evenmore^

@jonshiveley5237

2 жыл бұрын

@@kp-legacy-5477 "Mr Grammer"

I'm a huge fan of Dr. Rohl. In the last 8 years I have watched every video, purchased his books and studied his work, along with other books from historians and universities on Egypt. and I believe his new chronology makes the most sense. I think he is correct that the Bible is a historically accurate document and his alignment of it with the pharoahs makes the most sense to me. Thank you for providing this interview..

@Bibleguy89-uu3nr

Жыл бұрын

As a Christian, it is really cool to see someone who isn’t a Christian or a Jew defending this view.

Dr Rohl l'auteur d'un travail sérieux dans toutes ses découvertes

You actually made my "Makes you Think" playlist. Almost no KZread historical channels have made that list. Thank you for tackling the tough subjects.

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

Veronica Cawelti BAM! That’s what we strive to hear! Thank you!

@Lural29

3 жыл бұрын

Veronica my thoughts exactly

Thank you so much for highlighting the work of David Rohl. More people need to hear of his work. I have been a fan of his since I saw the "Pharaohs and Kings" Discovery Channel special back in 1995 when I was a History undergraduate. I have kept up with his research over the years. Sadly the "accepted chronology" is far too ingrained into academic scholarship that I think it will take some massive archaeological find change the old paradigm unequivocally. There is just too much academic scholarship based on the old model and historians won't support any idea that puts all of their own work into question.

@uncannyvalley2350

2 жыл бұрын

How about the Temple of Solomon in Tyre? It's still there! Built in 911BC by King Ahaz when he married Jezebel Queen of Sidon, which means Kingdom of the Fish, the Phoenician Symbol for fish is X, as in the Phoenician Sun God Symbol. Mlqart is Echmun, son of Baal and Astarte, his sister is El Gebal Tuna, who rides a Donkey. East and West, the 2 headed Eagle. It's also where Enoch hid his 36,525 scrolls, under pillars of Gold and Emerald, the colors of East and West. Echmun is the God of Healing, Asclepius, Apollo, Serpentis, 13th Sunsign of the Babylonian Zodiac

Fascinating! Have him on again, addressing his critics.

Just want to say thanks for all your hard work and effort in providing this channel.

I absolutely love learning more about the Bronze Age Collapse. Great video !

Great interview! Love your work guys

Pharaohs and Kings: A Biblical Quest was shown on tv back in 95 i bought Dr.Rohl's books this shouldn't be an new idea? The man is a credible egyptologist it has been a long time since he has challenged the old chronology model! and still nothing? I Have got to admit on my behalf the guy convinced me ,if i were him 'make noise then more noise and keep making noise till at least somebody on the academic side of his profession listens ,seems a tv programm and many books on the subject have not worked if anybody doesn't understand listen to the man watch this great interview go buy one of his books on the chronology alternative ,you don't need an open mind he hits you with facts.

@danbaskin

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately he is facing huge resistance from scholars, because its not fitting their and especially their funders agenda. Making a possible true claim that there is an evidence that the bible represents history, can make religions prosper again. well they probably dont want that to happen.

@reenactorrob7901

2 жыл бұрын

Older Egyptologists, bible researchers and middle east researchers are being told that everything they learned in college, all their research, books, papers and lectures are wrong. Naturally you would reject the premise that your whole existence has been misguided. There are intellectual reputations, funding, lecture fees and book/paper royalties on the line. How many books on the subject are simply going to be tossed on the scrap heap? On the flip side, some of the points being made and also supported by evidence are startling. And in the search for truth, facts are stubborn things. Other researchers are saying I can confirm this and this too. Rohl did make a crack in the dam. Time and pressure from new researchers with open minds will cause the dam to break.

I meet David Rohl. He was lecturing about his book - A Question of Time. Brilliant talker. Thank you. He signed his autograph in my copy and have been a fan of his since then. Do read the book, it's a fascinating book with lots of pictures you may find very useful as you become ensnared by this brilliant archeologist.

@maryearll3359

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, it is called The Test of Time. My silly mistake, sorry. 😞

I really appreciate Dr. Rohl and his interpretation of the timeline, it really puts things in perspective some what for me.

I do not agree with most of David,s ideas but he did wake people up to the fact that Egyptian and Levantine history needs to be re looked at and the current facts do not quite add up.

It would be really nice and best to have all these explanations as Rohl's background voice and images of only colorful timelines that would have moving arrows, the stretching and shortening of dark ages, an opening from a specific point in the timeline showing real, on-the-field excavation images to take the whole video frame, then back to the timeline and so on; all of this as David Rohl is explaining. And those graphic timeline and dark ages matching with other nations' chronologies and with Bible chronology.

@34:55 The remark about having to offer an alternative is pervasive in our modern culture and has always bothered me. When someone... anyone, identifies a fault, logical fallacy, or senses something is not right, they SHOULD speak out. And, as a result of that, it offers up an idea or a thought to someone else who may well be able to offer an alternative. Assuming individuals must posses the knowledge of perceiving something wrong AND specify an viable alternative is simply choking off the power of the combined knowledge of the group.

@TheMoravians

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't just choke off the power of the combined knowledge of the group, it is an effective way to lock in the "accepted truths" against any serious challenge, no matter how much evidence the challengers have. Requiring challengers to "specify a viable alternative" to the accepted Egyptian timeline, depending on how they define "viable" and "timeline", can mean re-interpreting all the archeology that was previously interpreted and established as "history" on top of that chronology. That would effectively be like requiring the challenger to rebuild 2 centuries of work (since 1820s) that took hundreds of archeologists working in teams over the decades (with billions of grant dollars) to do. It is more than a Herculean task, it is near impossible, and that is why those errors stay locked in place for the foreseeable future. But it doesn't stop me from learning about this and telling people who are willing to hear. I just don't expect academia to do any of that for us, especially since academic "science" is currently being destroyed by a corrupted peer-review system and being purged of anyone with a truly open mind or who earned their position through merit instead of having the correct immutable identity. I don't expect any of the existing institutions to have any "revolution" of honesty and humility any time soon. They're too busy undergoing a revolution of the opposite nature right now.

Years ago I read a paper from a fellow at MIT and I recall it stating that solar flares affect radiocarbon dating.

@pragmaticamente4734

3 жыл бұрын

Everything affects radiocarbon dating, including volcanic eruptions and large wild fires.

The darkest place is under the candle. Good video. Thank you.

@jonnywatts2970

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

@isaaccreary2302

3 жыл бұрын

I like your quote

The more I learn of how Egyptology was formed and the decisions they’ve made not only in dating but acknowledging the true age of the civilization and it’s correct representation according to finds made the more I’ve seen has to be done to correct enormous mistakes that knowingly have been passed as facts and truths

It’s always great to hear a new perspective and as science has taught us, we should never be married to the ideas we’ve been taught. I hope more historians and archaeologists look into it and come up with an academic consensus.

@Emcee_Squared

3 жыл бұрын

Gary Allen i wouldn’t use the term marriage as that implies an emotional connection to ideas, and emotion should have no place in science.

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@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

Gary Allen you consider teespring to be politically motivated?

@muchi1465

3 жыл бұрын

What about an ?

@muchi1465

3 жыл бұрын

@NEAR TERM EXTINCTION - HUMAN , you're looking in the wrong places... Start with H.G. Wells - Outline Of History maybe.

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

Who Where that’s not entirely true and by your logic that would rule out many of the resources that we have involving the Bronze Age.

@adhominemsis-t.australisensis

3 жыл бұрын

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 how historically reliable can a document be when it describes humans having lifespans of hundreds of years , seas parting, sticks turning snakes, etc? It's mythological, not historical. Nobody treats the Epic of Gilgamesh as history, so why the exception for the Bible. I think this urge is due purely to the fact that in the Judeo-Christian traditional lore, the Bible is supposed to be literal truth.

So interesting. Makes sense.

Remember that it was primarily one extended Family of Habiru which went into Egypt and evolved into Israelites, as there were other Canaanitic Habiru left behind, the language issue makes sense.

I feel much better without the dark age in my past :)

I do like his take on the Trojan War and it’s connection to the Sea Peoples. It makes sense that if you have a culture or several cultures investing heavily in a conflict against one another, others can see this as a time to strike and take advantage. People that may have been kept in check by the Mycenaean Greeks could have used the Trojan War and it’s aftermath as a means to further their own conquests or raids or what have you. I think we see something similar with the Arab conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries.

I love how Rohl accepts the biblical history without having to believe in the God of the Bible. Too many skeptics foolishly deny the entire historicity of the Bible in order to deny God.

Dear New Chronology Team and Dr Rohl, Thank you for trying to piece together the past. I'm an armchair archaeologist and even that title is above my pay grade. What I would like to throw in the discussion at 10.02 in your videocast however, is that there is no mention of the pyramids in the Bible. Does this not mean that the Exodus, which Israeli archaeologists claim to have never happened, that the Exodus is really folklore? It's pretty unusual to have Israeil archaeologists negate something which would not be in line with biblical teachings of the talmud---unless the evidence is indisputable---which they claim it is. Just like it is unbelievable that there is no description of Jesus in the bible, to have no mention of the pyramids, which 2 millenium ago would have been the buzz for everyone who had been there. No one would forget to mention the pyramids or the sphinx in their writings on Egypt. It would be like not mentionning the Eiffel Tower if one was writing about visiting Paris, France. It makes this truth to power believer that there has been some yarn spinning going on. What say you to the fact that The Great Pyramid of Giza is built at the exact longitudinal and latitudinal center of the land mass of the Earth? Boys and girls, I'm not a physicist, mathmatician or a scientist, but to get the exact center of the Earth's land mass means you would have to measure it from outer space. The Great Pyramid of Giza is an 8-sided pyramid, the only one in existence. One can see the 8 sided pyramid on the first day of the spring equinox and the first day of the autumnal equinox a few hours in the morning and a few hours in the afternoon. This shadow can only be seen from above 1,000 feet which means it was meant to be seen from the air. One cannot see the shadow effect on one side from the ground. I read these things, cross check my sources, and keep coming up with stuff that doesn't figure. If you subtract the base of the pyramid's inner circle by the outer circle you get the speed of light in kilometers to four digits. Our world history needs an update.

I am a nuclear engineer. "Right on" argument. If you still have any interest in using radio-carbon dating, try dating a diamond.

Great Scholarship and very absorbing 💯%

Dr David roll thank you 🙏 ❤

It’s the only chronological book that remained in existence up to today, all the others, Egypt Babylon all had to be dug up, it should’ve one of the most premiere books on historical records,

Dr. Rohl makes a good case.

I find this quite interesting even using the Bible and listen to other archaeologists on KZread on their assessment of going back to Akhenaten the second for is The Exodus Fierro this is even a new pretty credible as well new chronology for Egypt has essentially the rest of the world thanks this is great stuff

Do you think he produced Walk Like an Egyptian? Bad joke aside, I love listening to material like this because it helps validate Biblical history as presented in the Bible. People die for a lack of knowledge, so may God use this knowledge to give life to more people.

Big fan of David Rohl's chronology since 1978. Here's a thought: If Labaya means Lion of Yah, then that is rather close terminology to Lion of Judah, the title of David, Saul's territorial successor (not counting the ineffective Ish-bosheth/Baal). This might suggest that David adopted Lion of Judah from Saul to cement the break with the Northern Kingdom.

Kudos! to David Rohl giving a shoutout to Immanuel Velikovsky!

(9:59) Rohl explains the misuse of Exodus (1:11)

Yay David!

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent interview with him btw!

@DenofLore

3 жыл бұрын

Told ya. He’s such a charming man. Agree with him or not he’s really a classy funny talented kind hearted guy.

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

I could not agree with you more!

David, I’ve read your works 5 years ago,and asked some of my really smart friends to debunk it.They could not and became bigger Rohl fans than me.But no one knows you exist other than a small group.Go on Ben Shapiro or Joe Rogan,or Lex Fridman.You could start a real debate.You are getting old .Hurry.

100% agreement on need for reconstruction after deconstruction. The present period I think has fallen victim to an ideologically charactered critique and method in the form of ‘postmodernism’ which tends to destruction only.

i love your channel and dr rohl is awsome

I love this chanel, but why is the intro music so load??

That link with Virgil... How did everyone in academia seem to miss that? How could Virgil have been so wildly off about dating the Trojan war (off by like 300 years)? Like people should have almost even laughed at him for suggesting Aeneas and Dido could have been contemporaries. I can't believe nobody noticed this!

34:50 If it is any consolation Dr. Rohl I read your books in the 90s and 00s and found the logic of your chronological argument compelling from the outset tho’ I am not an academic. Another approach to confirm arguments it seems to me is by use of probability theory - or rather using Bernoulli’s probability theorem. This is an approach used by Dr. Gerald (sic) Hawking in his book ‘Stonehenge Decoded’ where - to memory - twelve separate factors aligning to support a systematic explanation have a probability against chance arrangement of the order of over a million and a half to one. Another scholar - and one I believe of genius - who uses the method is Thom in his ‘Megalithic Sites in Britain’. To my mind use of the theorem most usefully will confirm Thiering’s ‘Pesher’ interpretation of the N.T. where so many different different interpretive systems bear down upon each sentence and sometimes a single word.

Ever since I saw David doing a lecture in Brighton, East Sussex, when he was launching his book "Legend" and he signed my purchased copy, I have always known that he is so logical, which the establishment is definitely not. The Boat People before Abydos, is just pure logic!

Egyptologists say that the advent of the eight spoked chariot wheel was the beginning of 18th dynasty. The wheel was superseded by the six spoked wheel within a relatively short period of time. Through archaeological finds, including an Egyptian eight spoked chariot wheel; discovered on the seafloor of the Gulf of Aqaba, (Red Sea); we can from this knowledge determine that the Exodus must have occurred around the time of Thutmose II, and from this time period we can calculate back to when Joseph was born and when he was taken in bondage to Egypt, c1890 and c1873 respectively. In c1860 at aged thirty he met with the Pharaoh Amunemhat III. Moses would have been born in c1553, at the time of Pharaoh Apepi (1573 - 1549BC), Moses fled from Egypt, c1513BC, (Pharaoh Thutmose I - c1528 -1492BC), and he returned to Egypt forty years later in c1473BC, New Kingdom Tuthmose II/Hatshepsut (c1492 - 1458BC}

@blusheep2

Жыл бұрын

The so called chariot wheel that was discovered was "discovered" by a Charlatan named Ron Wyatt. He fabricated and lied about things in his video. Don't trust any of his stories just because it gives you confidence in your book.

@ktrimbach5771

3 ай бұрын

@@blusheep2 Wyatt’s claims valid or not do not invalidate the findings.

@blusheep2

3 ай бұрын

@@ktrimbach5771 They kinda do if they are Wyatt's findings. Wyatt lied about what he found. Be it the bricks that blocked the room to the ark of the covenant which he carved himself... they had no patina on them, to the black topped mountain near the "site" of the 10 commandments which he said was the only mountain around with a top like that, when a simple google earth study will show you that 100s of square miles are black topped mountains.

Of course no research about the interpretation of who the Pharoah of the exodus was would be needed if the Bible writer didn't omit that seemingly fundamental piece of information!

Hmm, quite Interesting, this. 🤔👍 (unrelated) 😃Anyone know where I can purchase that mug🤩

What he said about the Greek “dark ages” blew my mind

@uncannyvalley2350

2 жыл бұрын

Cabeiri Celts > Minoans> Phoenicians > Greeks > Scots, Irish, Welsh, Nordics, it's a migration of the megalith builders from Iberia and Brittany as they sought the rising sun. They were the Pharoahs of Lower Egypt, again driven out by Thera in the 14th century, the battles of Tutmoses III Conquering Megiddo are analogous to Joshua Conquering Jericho, it's almost 1 to 1

Ok, Ok, OK.... so where do I find a chronology that I can use ?

The Pharaoh of the Affliction is Apepi I... the Pharaoh of the Exodus is his son Apepi II of the Hyksos.

It is a very interesting theory that is brought very well and as stated may solve quite some issues in the current chronology. The implications would be pretty substantial as well for many disciplines. No doubt a lot of dendrochronology is based on the current datings. A piece of wood related to a king is used for the denrochronology as we though to know the king reigned from this till this date. I would think that there must be some wooden objects around that may point in a lack of overlap for 300 years during this period if it exists. If however, part of the confusion in that field is solved by this theory, that would make a very strong argument. It is certainly worth to put research into.

Your best video yet!!! Thank you

Has anyone a link or similar discussion of Dr. Rohl's views on Akhenaten. I have always wondered if he had been heavily influenced with some limited understanding of the events during the exodus that would have influenced his departure from polytheism so completely.

@JCRealness

Жыл бұрын

If Dr. Rohl’s chronology is correct. Akhenaten is a contemporary with Kind David and lives 400 years after the Exodus. And again This would make some sense because you find Psalm 104 written on the walls in Egypt. Archeologist say that David lifted 104 from Akhenaten and Akhenaten is the first monotheist. But if you use Rohl’s new timeline Moses introduces monotheism into Egypt, Akhenaten learns of the Exodus story and starts a monotheistic religion because of the Exodus stories. He learns of David’s writings and writes them down in his temple.

How many scholars have you heard of just say well I was wrong, they would loose money in the books they wrote.

It’s very interesting and fresh look on dating and chronology. In Greek centered world there were never wide spread theory on Dark Ages I would attest to that. From another side, the whole ‘Civilization Collapse’ theory of Dr. Cline is tight to Egypt, Israel and Hittites. Why not consider the rather possible point of view about regionality of the decline - something that we observe all the time - empires and civilizations associated with them do raise and fall. Greek history and Egyptian history only intersect, but not tied together. Egypt was highly insular civilization and Greek inland history is very self centered. They have their own chronologies and we shouldn’t every time we are missing factual evidence of the periods try to neatly tied everything together. We speculating about potential events with very loose time frames and it’s very easy to get persuaded as very little evidence exists in the first place.

What is the evidence in support of the new chronology? The intention seems to be to coordinate known historical facts with events as described in the Bible but that is not how history and archeology are done. Almost without exception, the events in the Bible were recorded hundreds of years after the fact.

@jenniferwise8515

2 жыл бұрын

WATCH...HIS....VIDEOS....AND LISTEN!!

I agree that we shouldn't restrict ourselves too much and treat older scholarship like dogma, but I can't say I agree with Dr. Rohl's overall assessment. The world of the Amarna Letters and the world of the Book of Samuel simply don't line up for me. The entire point of Saul's kingship is in reaction to oppression from non-Israelites in Canaan. The Book of Samuel and Judges go to great lengths to list who exactly was oppressing Israel and when, but the Egyptians are never mentioned. Instead it cites the oppression from the Ammonites as the reason for Saul's rise to kingship. The Amarna Letters paint a very different picture however. There Labaya, whom Dr. Rohl identifies with Saul, is totally subservient to the Pharaoh of Egypt, as is his son. If Labaya is indeed Saul, that would mean that during the entirety of his reign (however long it was) Israel was under Egyptian suzerainty. This makes the Book of Samuel's constant references to deliverance from Egyptian oppression under Moses incoherent. The Exodus is treated in the Tanakh as a defining moment in which Israel was forever delivered from the oppression of Egypt and the prophets make a very big deal out of that. Under Dr. Rohl's model however, there would be a rather significant chunk of time between the reigns of Thutmose III to at least Merneptah, if not Ramesses III, where the people of Israel where vassals under Egypt that the Books of Judges and Samuel are entirely silent on. This, in my opinion, is not something the Tanakh would, or even could, ignore if it indeed happened. As far as the Tanakh is concerned, Israel was delivered from Egypt's oppression through Moses, and Egypt never ruled over the people of Israel again until the exile and the voyage back into Egypt referenced in Deuteronomy 28:68. This extended period of Egyptian rule over Israel by the New Kingdom during the time of the Judges and early monarchy throws a wrench into the Tanakh's entire message in a way that the Tanakh itself never acknowledges.

Great Video!

I just saw this video. great video. I've read "lords of avaris" and "from eden to exile". both great books with massive appendices. I think David Rohl is exactly right in his chronology, based on the facts. The archaeology with the wrong chronology has shown not that it didn't happen, but that they're looking in the wrong time. so they have missed the proof based on false assumptions. like shoshenq

great

The precedent set by the book of Genesis is that many cities were called by the later names in events that were chronologically earlier than the event of the city being given that name. Bethel, Beersheba, and Edom are just 3 examples. Rameses would follow this pattern.

Thanks for this - great stream

Is anyone going to mention Dr Immanuel Velikovsky?

10:03 This was the rabbis' fault who translated that word to "Ramesses"; I am sure Moses wrote it as "Avaris" in proto-Sinaitic.

I was waiting for a nod to Dr. Carmen Boulter

Regarding the Rameses/Pithom issue during the exodus, could it be a case where the scribe substituted Rameses for location because Pithom no longer existed and most people have heard of Rameses II being a Pharaoh and renowned builder. are there other places in OT they used newer city name or name a region rather than a specific city. I know the NT gospels have done this.

@99xstallerthanmost

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Dr Michael Heiser has talked about things like this. I would definitely use the York word instead of its Roman equivalent, if discussing the Roman occupation.

@kaptaink1959

3 жыл бұрын

I get that. Just was hoping there were other examples in Old Testament

The reliable constant throughout all these several thousand years is the number of days in a year. This interval of time has varied very little from 2000 BC to 2000 AD. A schedule of historical events exhibited along a 4000 year timeline Is the only way I know will make time visible. When historical events are plotted at one inch equals one year, if they are plotted on paper, the paper would be 334 feet long. That length could be broken down into seven scrolls fifty feet long. Each of the scrolls could be stretched across seven rows of seven tables, each, each table being eight feet long and two feet wide. On each row of tables would be displayed 600 years of time. Once the myriad historical accounts are plotted one above each other along a common timeline, a best fit consensus has hope of being reached and may be further refined over the years ahead. I recommend not attempting to do this on digital mediums.

Just because Shishak and the Pharaoh have similar names, does not mean that they are the same person!

@MANDALABANDIII

3 жыл бұрын

And then you discover that the hypocoristicon (short form name) of Ramesses II was Shisha!

@MANDALABANDIII

3 жыл бұрын

@Ario: I dispute the use of the words 'accurately dated'. The archaeological evidence dates the eruption to the time of Thutmose III, not the Hyksos Period. There is a direct conflict between the calibrated 14C date and the archaeological date.

@MANDALABANDIII

3 жыл бұрын

@heilige Einfalt: Did I say that the Exodus and/or Conquest took place in the reign of Thutmose III? No, I didn't! You are getting confused, assuming that the Exodus and the eruption of Thera were contemporaneous. Again, I didn't say that, nor do I believe it was the case. The Exodus and the destruction of Jericho occurred long before the eruption of Thera.

@MANDALABANDIII

3 жыл бұрын

@Ario: At last a proper, intelligent response. Thank you! When I spoke to Manfred Bietak and Peter Yanasi about the Helmi pumice in the 1990s (I was there at the time they were excavating the workshop in which the pile of pumice was found) they were convinced that it dated to early Thutmose III (i.e. the coregency period). If they have changed their opinion, it looks like an attempt to reconcile the discrepancy between the scientific dating of the eruption and the archaeological date. I was told that the workshop was in a stratum that lay above a sequence of scarabs from Ahmose to Thutmose I - all in the correct historical sequence from bottom to top. As Bietak continues to say, there is only one stratum containing Theran pumice, and that is the stratum of the workshop which Bietak dated to the mid-18th Dynasty and which was above scarabs dated to the early 18th Dynasty. All of this is 'above' the Hyksos strata and later than 1500 BC, as per most of your quotes. The question is by how much ... and I tend to go with the archaeologists' conclusions at the time of excavating rather than twenty years later when they are trying to find a compromise between the two dating methods.

@MANDALABANDIII

3 жыл бұрын

@heilige Einfalt: There is nothing in the Theran eruption that is consistent with the Exodus narratives. The most obvious point being that the sequence is completely reversed! An eruption would have caused the plague of darkness first, not ninth. I place the Exodus at the end of the 13th Dynasty, which is immediately before the arrival of the Hyksos. Jericho was destroyed towards the end of MB IIB which is in. the Hyksos period. Ahmose besieged Sharuhen, not Moses or Joshua. The Israelites did not go to Tjaru/Sile, hey crossed the Yam Suph slightly further south at Pa Khara (biblical Pi ha-Khiroth).

Great video, I have been a fan of Dr. Rohl for many years since I was a history major in college and since my graduation as well. On a side note I think the Ramses as the Pharaoh of the Exodus is interesting as in my family's church they always just said Pharaoh, and not ever as Ramses. So to my perspective this was a new thing to me when I learned some considered him to be the Pharaoh.

Can I handle the truth? Sure, easily. But which of these conflicting hypotheses is the truth? We cannot know that until someone invents a Time Machine. Edit: There sure are some very interesting coincidental matching names in the Amarna letters and the Bible. I loved that part. Edit2: Very good! I really smelt something (almost rodent-like) when I first heard about that 300 years of total blackout. This new chronology makes much more sense. The peoples of those times never did 'just do nothing' for centuries after a destruction of a city.

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

Amarna letters: how do you make David c. 1300 and Solomon c. 800? Nope, impossible.

@daneaxe6465

3 жыл бұрын

So many learned experts.....so many learned opinions....no answers.

Several researchers seem to have good reasons for suggesting Amenhotep 2 as the Exodus Pharoah now - I assume that uses the new chronology?

I love the use of human lifespan/ generations to give a perspective on time. It gives real appreciation of otherwise “deep time”. Like rock and roll, it’s got a beat you can dance to.

Velikovski said flies are from Venus too

Very sad to hear of the passing of Mr. Barksdale.

An example of the synchronous ‘elision’ of royal houses which have been interpreted in diachronic sequence rather than as contemporary with each other and so which generally corroborates Dr. Rohl’s work is to be found in the book entitled ‘The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings’ by Edwin Thiele. The result is a huge ‘tuck’ in the timeline of the Book of Kings/Chronicles as the kingdoms of Samaria and Judah (and for a short while a third Ephraim (?) ) with their different conventions for dating royal succession are put side by side and end up making complete sense of the biblical narrative.

so if there is 300years shift then what about the beginning of egyptian early dynasties , pyramids etc.. !? this will change a lot

@fordprefect5304

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it will change the history of the world. Especially Mesopotamia and Anatolia. Explain the Babylonians king who sent Amarna letters. Or the Hittite king who sent Armana letters. Speaking of the Armana letters why do the letters refer to the Pharaoh as "My Lord" if they came from Hebrews. Why is the king in Jerusalem asking the Pharaoh to send troops from Ashkelon and Lachish. So many holes so little time.....

@overcomer4060

2 жыл бұрын

I got bogged down in this, a lot to follow. Is he saying the 300 years shift is earlier, or later?

I have know David since 1992 /1993. We fell out recently overTrump. But he certainly blows wide open what can be a dusty subject

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

Oz 2 you knew him when I was a toddler! Haha! That’s a long time as I’m 29 now.

@chubbymoth5810

3 жыл бұрын

You mean the man who just recently openly showed he has zero regard for laws and ethics by using the White House as a prop and filling it with a crowd during a pandemic? Yeah,.. he is a bit divisive. It is sad to see so many historians have little interest in Weimar Germany and the similarities in political indoctrination methods used. It obviously works.

@MANDALABANDIII

3 жыл бұрын

@@chubbymoth5810: Yep, that's the guy. Sort of a similar issue. So many people can't see the problems with ancient chronology because of their entrenched views ... and the same goes for Trumpism.

@oz2776

3 жыл бұрын

Only 44 mate

@sandrasynar1358

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear Rohl likes Trump!

Good Stuff thank you

They have invested lots of work, effort, time and money for the timeline as it is now, the history books, online material, etc still make money for them, and also their reputation is at stake. Okay, so when are they going to say "enough, we are going to honor the truth" and do a long due revision of the Egyptian chronology?

Great topic! I'm trying to understand what is the purpose/goal of distorting the various, physical, chronological timelines? It reminds me of trying to push/merge a square obj into a circular obj...such as the period of Rameses being written around the words of the Bible...trying to make it fit. We know that the Bible has been rewritten...a billion times...by men...and many books have been left out...such as the Agnostic Gospel. Even today, when I study history/genealogy, I see some of this...fudging the timelines to make something fit! Anywho, again, this was a great topic and food for thought! Thank you.

@Deagle-lj7tv

Жыл бұрын

By rewritten do you mean translated a billion times? There is no evidence of the bible being rewritten or changed in any way apart from being translated into different languages. Most of the Gnostic Gospels that have survived were found in a collection of 13 books from the third and fourth century AD. The original manuscripts for the bible where found much earlier and so the gnostic gospels arnt taken as scripture. As for other books that where not added in like the Apocrypha, they were never considered part of the Jewish canon so that's why most Bible's don't include them. As for fudging the timelines, when there are so many inconsistencies, it gives us the right to speculate and doubt what the current secular chronologys are.

I'm not sure I could make an accurate guess about Moses' mindset, in the period between the time he didn't know of the coming danger, and the point at which he pushed Pharaoh so hard to listen to his warnings, that he ended up among the prisoners/slaves, who were most likely the people who were later called "Jews". Whatever the case, the "official record" leaves much to be desired, in so many ways. I would love to talk to Dr Rohl, and if that is possible, I would appreciate any assistance. I think he's got the right idea. The period When we talk of the "waters parting", it could be as simple as a raised area in the seabed, deeper on one side enough to contain the the water cul-de-sacced at one end, the other pulled by an extraordinary tide, revealing the ridge allowing passage. How wide would it have been? Several hundred feet, maybe, to half-mile maximum, The Great Rift takes a right turn, where the Gulf of Aqaba enters the Red Sea, offering a convenient site. At the "southern" end of the Gulf of Suez, such a possibility exists, with shallow water at the sides, and only a 5 mile stretch where the water would have been much deeper. Still, a five-mile slog through what had to be three feet or more of mud would have taken the starch our of even a strong man. It is unlikely "640,000" Jews crossed the Sea of Passage, regardless of "rabbinical doctrine". The US Army couldn't get that large a crowd over in less than a week, and the idea of the waters being "stayed" longer than a matter of hours, or a dozen, is unrealistic. I suspect life was very tenuous, on the strand, and however many actually crossed, the band of survivors endured trials that beggar description, even by modern man's ability to create hell and exhibit inhumanity. Is it possible the "Canaanites", whom the "Israelites" (Moses' band) clashed with, until they "drove (them) out" in Joshua's time, were the Egyptian lower classes, who'd fled east across the Sinai? They could have travelled north of the lava flow stretching 100 miles "south" to the Sea of Crossing, where the "Israelites" had gathered, unable to go east, and intimidated by the huge pile of (probably) still steaming (lava) rock that stretched farther than a man could travel in a day. The "wandering Jews" probably feasted on the fish beached by the waters' departure, and doubtlessly-violent return, for some time. I see the account of Moses on the Mount, and the Ten Commandments as an effective way to corral humans into behaving themselves. The common good was more important than one individual's wants or urges, and rules were necessary to impose general order and normalcy. The events that had driven these people to this desperate place were titanic and deadly. Nothing galvanizes the human spirit so much as the possibility of Death, and not always in the best way. In some, it brings out heroic effort and noble activity, but in some it brings out the beast and the worst. The (modern) Bible's story of the "plagues of Egypt", was not a localized sequence of catastrophes, but worldwide and widespread. These very probably included the Santorini eruption, and tectonic activity off the scale. Volcanic activity was repeated around the globe, as the Earth "groaned" in protest, lava pouring over the landscape, triggering other problems, that rippled outward, multiplying and joining, until the sky was soupy mix of volcanic ash, smoke from forest fires that consumed vast areas, and dust filled with debris that ranged to large objects. Winds gusted in varying intensities, from Gale Force to far beyond Hurricane E-5, affecting every continent and sea. There wasn't a safe place on Earth, and no small number of "places" (of human habitation) disappeared, completely. The death toll would have ranged to 90%, average, some species wiped out completely. The small band of proto-Israelites (there were undoubtedly a good number of actual Israelites, including the astrologers who'd instructed Moses). He had probably learned their craft as a boy, watching sheep through the night, as we're told in "Bible stories", so he was able to understand, when they began talking about something that "didn't belong" (my interpretation), a body that was moving in ways it shouldn't, on a path that was beginning to look like it was headed for the same point in space occupied by our own planet. I think these ancient astrologers were aware of Earth as a planet, moving around the Sun. All of today's apocalyptic-evangelists take their inspiration from the events of Exodus-through-Ezekiel, the 780-year-long series of "visits", possibly by the same author of the events described in Noah's Flood, the Tower of Babel story, and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the AE's second-favorite source. The latter reads like a meteorite strike, Lot's wife being turned to "salt", by the explosion of a unique meteorite that released so much energy, on a narrow band, it effloresced her body, removing all liquids, sorta like a microwave burst, leaving only the solids. These stories are the highlights of Genesis, a compendium of the memories of those woe-begotten survivors camping on the "eastern" shore of the Gulf of Suez. Directions are in quotes, because, to these people, the world had new directions, including the one the Sun came up in. ©BW2022 anarchitek™

Ti illustrate the impact of changing the chronology of the Bronze Age, use a similar times ale fir the sat 1400 to 2000 period im Eirope. ? So you get WW2 around 17th C?

Seems interesting even though Ken Kitchen called this redating 100% nonsense.

@erikhasler

3 жыл бұрын

What was his reasoning?

@biblehistoryscience3530

3 жыл бұрын

Care4A JellyBaby, that’s what the academy says about every new theory that threatens to topple their applecart.

@usergiodmsilva1983PT

3 жыл бұрын

@@biblehistoryscience3530 Yeah, sure ... XD their well payed positions demand it... Rohl makes more money selling books though, so...

@andybeans5790

3 жыл бұрын

This antagonism seems common in many of the classics, where more conservative academics resort to accusing more radical folk (especially those outside academia) of "just wanting to sell books". Maybe if academics lowered their prices so that we mere mortals stood a chance of affording to read them, their ideas would get as much attention as the more radical ones? Seriously, some of those books cost over £200 each. I'm lucky that I work in a university, so I can use the library but I still don't get to request new books, so many traditional scholars are out of my reach too unless an academic has already had it stocked.

@99xstallerthanmost

3 жыл бұрын

@@andybeans5790 The self righteous academic reaction to Dan Gibson,s thoroughwork on the quibla is a case in point! Also TIK on his revisionist review of WW2 is well worth a viewing!

I was very disappointed his books are not on kindle or audible. 😢

@Shalom_Mike

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It would be nice if he read his books on Audible. I love his voice.

I think that this archaeologist, Dr. Dr. Rohl, is one of the few who knows what he is talking about. Archeology as a discipline has no problem with Biblical History. On the other hand, the problem is with archaeologists their bias with the Bible. These have agreed to establish chronologies that cannot be reconciled with the Biblical stories of the conquest in Canaan, even from the exodus from Egypt.

Very interesting. Lots of books would have to be rewritten for sure.

Fascinating

Since about 1600 a generation is considered 15 years. Yet in times past all cultures considered a day to end with upper limbus of sun at sunset till the next sunset-, just as a "generation" was set in stone. Yet the 7 day cycle is not astronomically linked but a repeating sequence of 7days. Why?

Ayab was mayor of Asterot and Joab came from Ashteroth

Wow thank you I feel enlightened I never believed in the dark age people don't just forget how to read and write. This answer a lot of questions I had about history

@justchilling704

Жыл бұрын

@Gary Allen I mean sure but that’s it likely to happen to such a large degree. Also what evidence do we have today to know that Greece at the time had issues with food?

The empirical evidence of the building of the city of Rameses as per the Bible, it as of mud brick that the Hebrews were forced to make. As opposed to the evidence of Peramesis was of stone and was moved to Tanis during the Third Intermediate period, so the logical answer is that the cities of Ramses and Pitom had to be in the Hyksos era. That many egyptologists and scholars do not accept such evidence, that is just conceit. If you use the multidisciplinary method of geologic evidence, then you will find that the evidence indicates a long drought at Circa 2000 BCE. The eruption of Thera, has been radio metric dating of atomic geologic crystalline formation. Also had the eruption in the end of the Hyksos time of Circa 1550B BCE and that this was the end of the second intermediate period going into the beginning of the 18th Dynasty.

@walterulasinksi7031

3 жыл бұрын

Language and Programming Channel, there are no other references with respect to Ramses or Avaris ( Pitom) certainly not in the Egyptian Records until the reign of Ramses II some three hundred years later. The miracle evidence of stone foundations within the sedimentary soil of Ramses, could not have supported the stone structures of Pi Rameses, until they had been fully compacted by other types of building walls in a prior period as in such sedimentary soils, the subsidence factor is a major concern. Even today, in New Orleans, to begin stabilizing the soil,piles of 20-49 feet in length are driven to begin making a solid platform. The story handed down through the Old Testament indicates that the city of Ramses and Pitom were of mud brick, made by the Hebrews. Mud brick is a lighter material than stone, and could be supported by minimally compacted stone foundations. This story is the Inly possible record that fits with the evidence.

3147 a.c. La Promesa ..3122 a.c. Nace Isaac ...2941 a.c.Jose gobernador Egipto....2932 a.c. Jacob en Egipto....2717 a.c. Exodo......

08:52 "Even in parts of Africa today, you have children getting married at 13 or 14" What parts of Africa would that be, exactly? A source would be appreciated.

Yes even the 480 year is also a lunar year. So it is 465 solar year and not 480. That makes the date of the exodus as 1431BC

Mind = Blown

I am speechless. I'm so smitten with his immaculate bible knowledge. I'll be looking at his research but it seems like he fixed a chronological issue everyone knows exists but no one can fix (due to Acedemia not taking the bible seriously). So mindblown.

I find your work work very compelling. There is only question I have. If David is mentioned in the Amorna then the Philistines must have been around then, Akhenaten, comes way before Ramesses (who is supposed to have moved the Philistine into Caanan) . Is there evidence of Philistines in Caanan at the time of the Amorna letters?

One question I have for Rohl's dating of this stuff. He places the exodus before the coming of the hyksos. I have heard that the invaders brought with them chariots which the Egyptians did not know of, yet the Exodus account refers to 600 chariots in Pharaoh's pursuing army. I'd be interested to see if anyone could address this

@mr.graves2867

3 жыл бұрын

There are chariots that are thought to date back to the old kingdom in Egypt at their Tahrir square museum that could date as far back as 2686 b.c. which is far older than the 16th century b.c. that's quite a time gap between the two wouldn't you agree?

@fredgibson9006

3 жыл бұрын

@@mr.graves2867 thank you! I love this potential view of the exodus.

@fredgibson9006

3 жыл бұрын

@@mr.graves2867 Another question I have....the Philistines seem to show up in the period of the judges. This fit in nicely with the original dating which placed ramses 3 as the guy who beat them during judges and moved them into canaan. If ramses 3 would be much much later, who did he beat, and where did the philistines mentioned in judges come from?

@mr.graves2867

3 жыл бұрын

@@fredgibson9006 actually the philistines are first mentioned in genesis 26:18 as far as that goes, history says that they were originally from Crete, but if the philistines had similar beliefs would simply assimilate into that part of the world or would have built ships to return to Crete, most warrior seafaring people have a rudimentary sense of ship building and repair so there's really no reason that they would have settled in a unknown land away from family. I hope that answered your question let me know if you have any other questions I love this subject. God bless you and yours

@tonya.vahle80

3 жыл бұрын

@@fredgibson9006 You mean Ramses the 2nd? Just wondering :)