Anand Giridharadas: Are Elites Really Making the World a Better Place?
In “Winners Take All: The Elite Charade of Changing the World,” Anand Giridharadas compels us to take a deeper look at elite leaders, their institutions, and their initiatives to make the world a better place. “In the very era in which elites have done so much to help, they have continued to hoard the overwhelming share of progress, the average American’s life has scarcely improved, and virtually all of the nation’s institutions, with the exception of the military, have lost the public’s trust.”
Today's elites are some of the more socially concerned individuals in history. Yet, according to Giridharadas, while their philanthropic missions may attempt to reform the root causes of unjust systems, many elite initiatives serve only to maintain the very power structures they claim they want to fix. So, who really benefits? To what extent are the elite working to create real progress and systemic change for people and communities?
Anand Giridharadas was a foreign correspondent and columnist for the The New York Times and currently teaches journalism at New York University. He joins us for an in-depth discussion on elite leaders, how their philanthropic efforts preserve the unjust status quo, and how communities might work together to create a more participatory democracy.
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Anand Giridharadas
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Markos Kounalakis
Visiting Fellow, Hoover Institution
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We do not want charity from thieves, we want decent salaries and benefits. We want a portion of the wealth our labor creates.
"Philanthropy is an exercise of power." Damn
I love the way Anand articulates issues that I've been skirting around the edges of for quite a while.
@user-qc8vj3vp9v
5 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY Jim, he's spot on!👍🏼👍🏼
@TheAmarican
5 жыл бұрын
Not a single original idea in this man's talk. The elites are rich, and bad, and greedy. It's all been said a billion times. Blah blah blah.
@terryestepp2615
5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@984francis
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheAmarican Really? Hmm. Mostly we hear what we want to hear and don't hear what we don't want to hear. Apart from that, yes to what you say except the blah, blah, blah bit. The thing is he is elucidating the mechanisms by which the rich exert influence, and the way they use philanthropy to hijack social change is NOT being articulated. The introduction of "philanthropy correspondents" is a good idea. And he is looking at what ordinary people can do to make a difference. What he says is true, most of us don't really know what's going on with our local politics.
@justmyopinion9883
5 жыл бұрын
I just discovered Anand yesterday on KZread. He is already one of my favorites. Brilliant man.
"There's nothing more dangerous than a Goliath who thinks they're a David". - Brilliant !!
This guy is a genius.
@Duh108
5 жыл бұрын
Look at Democracy at Work
@miaa7097
5 жыл бұрын
@@Duh108 amazing show. i watch it daily
@jorgegomez524
5 жыл бұрын
why? he is just saying the obvious
@TheAmarican
5 жыл бұрын
Not a single original idea in this man's talk. The elites are rich, and bad, and greedy. It's all been said a billion times. Blah blah blah.
@DarkLord1180
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheAmarican you're just too dumb to comprehend what he's trying to say.
He is articulating so perfectly my long held sentiments and observations.
Refreshingly direct and concise talk about our "charity" institutions.
THey "coopt the change and change the change so its winner friendly" ... brilliant . One of the best things I've heard in a long time.
Anand Giridharadas's book is one of the best most brilliant efforts I have ever read. Everyone needs to read this book.
Anand Giridharadas is brilliant!!! Articulate, forward thinking, relevant... necessary!
I love how clearly he says his points which are genuine and spot on. Dang I’m gonna start listening to this man more and read his book
I like this man, he's saying it as it is.
He has a way of giving voice to impressions, misgivings and discomfort that I suspect a lot of us have with prevailing narratives given by our politicians and Titans of industry.
There has seldom been a better example of Billionaires protecting their own( through major media)....than the candidacy of Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020. Yet as a child during the 70s I remember a country that was so envied for their generosity. Now even giving to your Church seems sacrilegious because the Churchs message has become intertwined with the political religion of Greed.
My answer is yes, the elites are making the world better for elites and worse for everyone else.
This is EXACTLY why Michael Dell saying that he doesn't want higher taxes because "his foundation does charity that he believes in." The fact is the changes that would improve society and make opportunity available to everybody ARE ANATHEMA to the alleged "elite" in the United States. Those who have anointed themselves "elite" do not want to actually prove that they are better, smarter, stronger, more creative, more benevolent etc. than those that they view as beneath them. This is especially true of trust fund babies who are wealthy by default. We have people running the country who appear to believe that everybody outside their social circle are inferior, unworthy and only useful as consumers, but unworthy for purposes of social support. The fact is: many of the great inventions of the last century came from people who actually worked in the industries for which they invented labor saving devices. The wringer washer was invented by a slave woman. The cotton gin was invented by a woman. The automatic transmission came from a black engineer and on, and on, and on. Creativity arises from need. Needs are often felt by those doing the work more quickly than their CEOs. We need to accept that and begin to invest in the education, housing and feeding of our middle and lower classes. We will all benefit including the very wealthy. In the United States, we need to begin looking at other countries' solutions. Norway beats our pants off academically. Let's look at their schooling system: what and how they're teaching.
@TheAmarican
5 жыл бұрын
Not a single original idea in this man's talk. The elites are rich, and bad, and greedy. It's all been said a billion times. Blah blah blah.
@melissinha73
5 жыл бұрын
K GN You outed yourself when you said “Soros”. Do yourself a favor and try and follow what he is saying, really try.
@jjhhandk3974
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheAmarican you are a bot. Quit copying and pasting your responses.
@theresewalters1696
5 жыл бұрын
But that makes sense not $$.
@steppenwolf3252
4 жыл бұрын
Stop paying charity and pay American workers
We need more people like this in politics
We Americans have been a bit brain washed with our Patriotism and Flags (I myself love my American Flag and love being patriotic) But it convinces us into thinking that because best, we have nothing more to learn, nothing to improve in our system. The classic fat and lazy argument. Thank you for your well spoken points. I think they are eye opening.
@hazardousjazzgasm129
5 жыл бұрын
well said, completely agree
@pequodexpress
4 жыл бұрын
What makes the con more pliable is that it first convinces us into thinking that we are the "best" without much corroboration.
Anand Giridharadas, I agree with much of what you have said. I have actually passed legislation three times with NO money when I was younger. I was startled by what I found in the process. What is needed NOW is a return to Civics training that doesn't just cover how legislation is made, but what the role of lobbyists has been, understanding civil, state and federal budgets. There is actually a book on this topic on Amazon. People need to understand budgets more than anything AND HOW CERTAIN CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BY SOME OF THE LAST 5 PRESIDENTS have negatively impacted the independence of our government.
@TheAmarican
5 жыл бұрын
Not a single original idea in this man's talk. The elites are rich, and bad, and greedy. It's all been said a billion times. Blah blah blah.
Simply inspirational. I Just hope this triggers many people. I have also thought about this concept of hailing these scammers who have hoarded wealth from the rest of us as saviours when indeed they aare the opposite.
@publicdomain1103
5 жыл бұрын
My first day in the union shop as a teen and saw "Off the Bigs" written on a shed wall got me into game for good.
@hdaviator9181
5 жыл бұрын
How are they hoarding money from you when the government prints money on a constant basis? Just because someone makes a million dollars, does not mean you can't. Money is not a limited resource like oil or gold.
Anand for President! I would canvas for this guy in a heartbeat.
@kurtklingbeil
5 жыл бұрын
no way, be immersed and assailed and threatened by the toxic cesspool of grifters, grafters, interest-conflicted influence-peddlers, crony-corpiratist neofeudalists and just plain hard-core assholes-on-the-take ??
@cindy2418
4 жыл бұрын
lewie spearman him and Andrew Yang are on the same page
I really love this guy! Thank you for putting this on.👍
The paradox is so real. This is a very interesting question for me. As a person in nonprofit, I think about the effectiveness all the time.
@dahliafully
4 жыл бұрын
In the 1990s Non-profits became "Non-governmental Organizations" and that was no accident. In some ways that's a good thing to not be government run but in all too many cases there is no oversight.
One of the problems is People lacking the skills of critical thinking. People questioning the system, and the status quo.
@franklotion7716
5 жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes
@dahliafully
4 жыл бұрын
Right! Because critical thinking skills have been taken out of the school system! Now kids study to the test instead of being trained to think critically. And on top of that, we've got a cultural movement conflating "negative thinking" with critical thinking. We penalize people if they're not positive about everything all the time. And that of course deflates critical discussion.
He makes a fascinating point around 44:00 re: Bezos (the internet was taking off as the power of labour unions was rock bottom). Anand is my new hero. He joins the ranks of Christopher Hitchens and Bertrand Russell.
@margaretpocock2249
5 жыл бұрын
1..Stop Satanic cults! 2. Cure measles! 3. Preevent Zika ! 4. 2019 Nobel to be shared by those who eliminate FGM worldwide.
@eileenmc4746
5 жыл бұрын
chris hedges
@jjhhandk3974
5 жыл бұрын
@@pxpl5538 jealous much?
@suzannfulbright5652
5 жыл бұрын
chestypants78 The internet was developed by the government and paid for by everyone who paid taxes. It took no genius to steal it!
every Billionaire is a policy failure
@hdaviator9181
5 жыл бұрын
Really? The people that created this website are billionaires. The person that invented the computer you are using is a billionaire. Billionaires are a byproduct of living in a world where you have access to all of these things. You don't want to live in a world where that isn't the case.
@ZennExile
5 жыл бұрын
every Billionaire is a crime against humanity
@Tethloach1
5 жыл бұрын
You will always have rich people, always, no escaping that fact, if it isn't business men then it will be emperors and dictators, you have to choose who will be the billionaire, someone has to be rich. North pole south pole, hierarchy is going to exist no matter what, people at the bottom and people at the top, new system means new rich people always. each system has it's elites. show some gratitude for the wealth you enjoy.
@Tethloach1
5 жыл бұрын
@@ZennExile Be grateful for the wealth you enjoy.
@jondana8380
5 жыл бұрын
@@hdaviator9181 nice try at deflection. The one does not require the other. How sad for you that you demonstrated the very kind of attitude that girarharadas is talking about. I would add that Every Billionaire is a Predator - because they _became_ a billionaire by _stealing_ the value that their workforce contributed to _create_ all of that wealth. Billionaires are, more than anything, Wage Theft.
I'd like to hear Ansnd's opinion on the fact that corporations have more power than any nation.
@TheAmarican
5 жыл бұрын
Not a single original idea in this man's talk. The elites are rich, and bad, and greedy. It's all been said a billion times. Blah blah blah.
Super pertinent information. Wish it had a higher view count.
Poverty in US TODAY is closer to 50%, it was less than 25% when Reagan was elected.
@josecolon7267
4 жыл бұрын
3 people own more wealth than the bottom 90% of our population combined... let that sink in.
@marimota5083
4 жыл бұрын
The master of de-regulation, followed by Bill Clinton
This guy is absolutely amazing. Gotta find him on tour. Astounding.
"Taxes, taxes, taxes. The rest is bullshit."
I can't believe that so many people are still trying to immigrate to the USA. That anyone but millionaires wants to live there. I live in a rather poor Eastern European country (within the EU). I earn 1000 USD per month. So does my girlfriend, and we live extremely well. No debt. Both of us have Master's degrees that we didn't pay a dime for. We have state-sponsored health insurance, which isn't great but we never have to worry about it. Our biggest bill is the 400 USD rent every month. We aren't able to buy a house yet (maybe in our fifties lol) so we're renting. We take 1- or 2-week vacations abroad 3 times a year. We can easily afford theatre, opera, movies, books, clothes. And we're actually poorer than most of our friends.
Absolutely brilliant. I just discovered Mr. G on a MSM news interview! He validates what I've been thinking for years. I wish we'd focus less on taxes and philanthropy and more on wages, benefits, and profit sharing. Good companies (always small) share profits with everyone down to the floor sweeper. How does donating an opera house in a big city help the employees in the regional manufacturing facilities? Pthuh on Bill Gates and Tom Sterrett and their ilk. And he's young! Like AOC! Love him.
This is amazing. I have a saying: "The first thing change needs to change is the words we use." And Mr. Giridharadas employs it so powerfully.
Anand has just the right amount of smart ass. Love this guy.
This guy is actually smart enough to see the fundamental flaws in our disgusting system... It really is a breath of fresh air...
The opening example of Tobacco paying for anti- smoking ads sums this up perfectly, except most aren’t aware it is pretty much every industry and big company. Like in that documentary “what the health” sowing the companies donating the most to breast cancer awareness are the companies selling products that cause breast cancer.
He so speaks the truth, what a relief to see someone articulate so well the reality in America. Thank you Anand.
Thank you Anand, for truely sharpening the focus on this corporate take over of humanity. The endless struggle between rich and poor. The tragic flaw of a spiecies whose greed is so profound they foul their own nest with arrogant self entitlement and disregard for the future generations. I love it, the Goliath who thinks he is David. They are the slave trade, and the daily horrors committed on the global scale go way beyond any horror flick.
These sorts of assessments take place every 50 years or so. Back in the '20s/'30s when there were similar levels of inequality and a movement began demanding that big business be accountable to the society. It was called "corporate social responsibility" and it was a re-examination of the role of business TO THE society. Business would not exist without a society yet it seems like the attitude of many of those who have benefited the most from this society regard it and its constituency as "disposable" and irrelevant to their lives. THIS IS WRONG. WE AS A SOCIETY NEED TO BEGIN ASKING HARD QUESTIONS LIKE: Is automating all jobs a good idea? Should we go there? If we do, what will happen to the people who have no jobs? WE ESPECIALLY NEED TO ASK WHAT GOOD IS OUR GOVERNMENT IF IT CANNOT WADE IN ON THESE QUESTIONS? Rutger Bregman's Realistic Utopia is a very good start for the conversation that needs to be had: "Why, when society makes business success possible, doesn't business take a more nurturing attitude towards the source of their success?" It is high time that this occurred.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a president as articulate as either one of these guys? #Bigly.
"Fake change, is what you get when you put the people with the most to lose from real change, in charge of change." - fucking spot on.
Thank you Anand for spending so much of this talk focusing on solutions. I knew that you had great ideas and insights in you! I know its important to report on the problems but we also need to report on the solutions and help people engage in them together.
Citizens United has to be one of the great priorities for anyone who loves this country - getting rid of it!
My main issue with elite philanthropists is that their gifts aren't conditionless. They tend to make sure their donations promote or at least are in line with their ideology.
Really glad this popped up on my list of vids to watch. Anand Giridharadas is a spectacular thinker and I find the majority of his observations are ideas that I'm in agreement with. Excellent presentation!!
Philanthropy encourages the state not to cover crucial needs through taxation
@SanvelloSerapiega
4 жыл бұрын
It also allows policies like education policy to be unjustly controlled by oligarchs while being viewed as humanitarian even though had it been government provided the education policies would be superior and have less pro-billionaire propoganda like rand in the curriculum See Koch brothers or Bill Gates for a more successful
Just pay your workers a living wage. This depends on what area of the country one lives in but cheez they know what a living wage is.
@dahliafully
5 жыл бұрын
And stop raising the cost of living as wages rise to catch up!
@OlivePapyrus
4 жыл бұрын
Stop giving companies so much power. Take some back, like by forming a workers union.
@steppenwolf3252
4 жыл бұрын
Why can't billionaires pay their workers a living wage? If they did their workers could afford to buy the products they make.
@mayainverse9429
4 жыл бұрын
a living wage is one that you accept when you sign the contract.
Anand is an intellect 🙏🏼
It is amazing that a person of such great caliber as Anand GiridharaDas has emerged from this system! I am happy to have come across a few such great men and women(e.g., Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez) in my life time. May such people inspire the young generation with their fairness doctrine (in the truest sense) all across the globe and make a difference in a decade or two. Jujitsu can also work the other way as well! I pray for their success!
"We think the world is here" so true. Most of the American people are ignorant about the rest of the world.
That was effin incredible to listen to. It's not news what he said, we all know it's happening but he can really tell a good story that peaks my interest.
What a blessing Anand G. is to the American discussion! LeBron should be talking to him, on how to really make a difference!
How wonderful this fellow is! Listen to him.
Such a deluge of clarity is refreshing.
you are absolutely correct - I am a retired nurse practitioner and spend inordinate amounts of time and money trying to navigate a ridiculously expensive, inaccessible and complex medical system that rewards administrators, hospitals, medical industry profiteers and insurance CEO's plus pharmaceutical industry with billions of dollars...it's cruel and exhausting. Especially if one is ill or doesn't have the resources to pay for what they need. Unnecessarily. The resistance to change to a single payer system with "how can we ever afford it", "government takeover" is total propaganda put out by marketing firms lobbying for those who are making the most profit off this horribly broken healthcare system.
Good questions produce good answers. Great interview. We need to Question more.
We need to spread exposure of him and the Chris Hedges of America into other's lives.
At the time of typing this response, there are 27 dislikes from Billionaires and other HNWIs. Anand, you are a gem for the Americans. I am an Indian and proud to be one. Whatever you said at the last can also be applied in our country. Look at the Ambanis, a recent report shows they spent 462 crore on philanthropy. But that's cheap compared to their electricity bill which is close to 1 crore. So yes, we need big change.
Smart guy. I can see why he no longer works at the Times.
Anand has a point. People TRIED to create a meaningful movement to address a number of the issues that Anand raised here in the Occupy Wall Street movement. The problem was that it was not well thought out, and it didn't have the necessary links to and impact on politicians in order to influence the current American plutocracy in any meaningful way. We do need to take another shot at this, but think it out more thoroughly. One way or another, unless the plutocracy is addressed, the rich will keep serving the rich, and the rest of us will simply get what we get.
Thank you, Anand Giridharadas.
Love it!!! Bernie has been Talking About this From very Early in his career. We Are Waking Up. BERNIE 2020!!!!!
The moderator and the guest brought not only a lot of consonants, but also a lot of provocative ideas. If the system worked, we wouldn't need philanthropy. The most important quality of a leader is also the most undervalued and most neglected: the ability to inspire others to lead. It's not just enabling others to act, but enabling them to become leaders in their own right. Invariably, leaders want to stay in the forefront and simply cannot step aside and pass the baton. In science they say, progress is made one funeral at a time. We have to wait for some elite Stanford prof to pass away at the age of 90 before we can charter new perspectives. Dido in the real of political economy. Show me a system that overcomes this deficiency in human nature, and I will show you a system that will go viral. What we need is a "winner gives all" reframe.
@melissinha73
5 жыл бұрын
Debra Legorreta “If the system worked, we wouldn’t need philanthropy”. Very well put. That’s the basic premise here. Anand then explains how the elites perpetuate that disfunction.
this guy could be a great comedian and his ideas are spot on.
@frankx8739
5 жыл бұрын
Fool! It's Jerry Seinfeld in disguise.
business needs to stop thinking its government and government needs to stop thinking its business
@snoopy_peanuts_77
4 жыл бұрын
yes!
Thank you...some of us are awake to what is going on in the name of good and philantropy.
This guy is brilliant !!!!
You are right, Anand. How could those US companies getting rich in those Central American countries. work to get those governments to create a more fair life for their own people and get rid of the crime and corruption. This way it would make people want to remain instead of having to run away to another strange land and be victimized again.
@citizenofnowhere7776
5 жыл бұрын
The banking industry wirldwide needs to be re-regulated to change the current exploitation.
@citizenofnowhere7776
5 жыл бұрын
"The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire (Documentary)" kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKST286vk5vAmps.html
@profd65
5 жыл бұрын
Quit spamming the page about Central America.
He’s right about the complexities in Obamacare. Which is caused by the insurance industry’s takeover of the program, and cloaking the program’s language in jargon that only someone skilled in the insurance industry language can understand it. Of course, the language is also designed to help the insurance companies to squeeze as many profits out of the program that they possibly can, without tipping ppl off to the facts, they, the insurance companies are the one’s who controls all aspects of the program , not Social Security or Medicare!
I LOVE what this guy is saying
Phenomenal. Clear and concise and right.
Winners Take All! TAKE is the key word...not earned...not worked for...not due..but TAKE as a polite word for steal or stole!
He's like the perfect polar opposite of the announcer from Hunger Games lmao
"Fake change is what you get when you put the people with most to lose from change, incharge of change". Jay Z and the NFL, Breixt man the list is endless.
This is great, thank you.
Elite hoarding is a sick and fantastic deep concept
Amazing man, you're my inspiration.
I know one place for sure and it's food banks in Kentucky I moved here from Colorado and was shocked at the difference between the two States and let me say Kentucky is starving the poor! In my opinion.
Anand, you are a good man. Much appreciated.
Really good interview. Thanks very much
You are a very insightful person. Thanks for talking about it. I don't know if those listening even get it.
‘’The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world he did not exist.” - Kaiser Soze
Great stuff! Thank you.
12:59 '... we think that the rectification of these problems will lead to gulags, because we're ignorant...' Somebody please tell that to the people who believe everything said by Ayn Rand, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson et al is pure spun gold.
Great video, watched it a couple of times now! I think Anand's diagnosis of the issue is broadly on the money, however a more pragmatic solution than "billionaires seeing the light and doing the right thing" is required. I just don't think humans are hardwired to act so contrary to their immediate/medium-term interests.
"The sensible man must devote himself entirely to what is strictly necessary to him in order not to be dependent on anyone. But now, once he has achieved his security, if he wastes his time increasing his fortune, he is a scoundrel." - Stendhal
@hdaviator9181
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, Stendhal is an idiot.
@cheviousmis1720
5 жыл бұрын
What the sensible man fails to realize is that he did not achieve his wealth on his own. He did it bu using the infrastructure built by a cohesive society with the tax dollars of every individual in it for the common good. The sensible man needs to realize he owes a debt to society for enabling his success. And if the sensible man has polluted and or caused damage to society or the natural world in the course of achieving his own success then he needs to compensate society for that damage. The sensible man needs to realize that he is not an island, that he does not exist in a vacuum, that like it or not he is an integral part of society and is only capable of achieving success within society as a result of that factual reality. In short, the sensible man needs to cease being such a selfish selferson.
Excellent! You give me hope.
As a person who grew up in a time when the American dream was realized by our parents, my generation believed that even without college, we had a fair shake at a comfortable lives, home ownership, and raising a family in a clean, safe, and sane environment. That was a completely naive assumption on my part. The seventies seemed like a time of great hope and promise. We were on the heels of great social change, civil rights, second wave feminism, Roe vs. Wade, creation of the EPA, burgeoning technological discoveries, and the end of the Viet Nam war. The middle class seemed to be firmly ensconced as a solid segment of society. Patriotism was still fashionable and people were engaged in their communities. Then the tables turned slowly but surely. Fast forward and I look around at a generation full of apathy and anger. Poverty is all around, and inequality has touched every segment of our society. It is shocking how little people really care about making a difference at every socioeconomic level. So many things contributed to where we are today and it seems like a jumbled mess and that there is no way out. Keep talking, and I thank Anand for addressing the truth of the matter. We have needed a revolution for many years. It must begin with each of us. Vote, educate yourself, and pay attention. Maybe in another 30 years we can work our way to realizing a society that is equitable, safer, cleaner, healthier, and truly liberating for all members of this country.
Brilliant man !
I love the Lean In analogy. Not only did everyone fall for it but Cheryl Samberg made another sh*t-load of money off the book.
@bettinazwerdling9158
5 жыл бұрын
Not everyone, but too many, fell for it. It served the same system that it was being (so-called) fractionally critical of. Not everyone fell for it.
@dahliafully
4 жыл бұрын
@@bettinazwerdling9158 Certainly, enough people like Oprah promoted it. Ugggggh. But yes, you, me and everyone else we know did not fall for it.
Make America sane again ! - safe again - smart again - sweet again - strong again - secure again - 😏 The MASA movement would make the world a safer place.
When the Sacklers appear in court I have no doubt they will use their philanthropy as part of their defense. Let's hope they don't get any leniency because of it.
I really like Mr. Giridharadas
Fascinating talk
what a fresh wind coming through a very, very stuffy place
Has anyone attempted to measure the impact of elite philanthropy? How does it compare to a social program with a similar aim and budget?
@39:04 The crux of this discussion..."We (only) recognise tyranny when it comes in the shape of King George. And we are totally blind to the tyranny of collective systems."
Would anyone today want to live in a feudalistic society? Our current capitalist system should expose the injustice that comes with it. If only privileged royalty and their family and friends would be abhorrent today, then we should recognize that the capitalist class today should be viewed in the same light!
Completely agree with Anand; he's spot on.👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🤗🤗