Better question... where are the anabaptists in Europe? Since most Anabaptists are from German speaking Europe.

@whitehawk4099

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Well, they were driven underground on account of the whole mass murder and rape thing.

@whitehawk4099

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My previous comment is hidden, so I shall speak with some circumlocution. They were suppressed due to mass non-alivings and mass grape. There were two general strains of anabaptism: the violent and the non-violent. The violent were so awful that everyone else crushed anabaptists wherever they could find them.

@seantolson6223

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@@whitehawk4099Unalive? Grape? You shouldn’t be made to speak this way. The new internet is a mistake.

@swhip897

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Some just hid. Kept their scriptures secret and beliefs

@comfortandjoy9489

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There are European Anabaptist of the Nazarene group (mentioned along with the Apostolics in this video). In Yugoslavia, Romania, Germany, and Ukraine a few in Switzerland possibly. They were imprisoned for not bearing arms in the army, many of them have immigrated to Canada, Us and Australia if possible. But they still have a presence there. The Ukrainian brethren are affected by the current war of course.

Can you compare Canada and the USA please? Would love to see denominational differences between our countries

@thetraditionalist

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i agree

@shawnreynolds2705

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CANADA🇨🇦:BRUINS S**K! US🇺🇲: Leifs s**k! That sums it up.

My parents occasionally attend the craven arms church. Before this was established my family were the only conservative mennonites in the country. We joined the Church of God in Christ Mennonites (aka the Holdemans) back in Brazil and were excommunicated shortly after we moved to the UK for taking communion with non members.

@gustavo.xavier

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Were you in communion with the church in Rio Verde, Goiás?

@joshua92jeffery

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@@gustavo.xavier yes, there's three congregations there. Monte Alegre, Rio Verdinho and Rio Verde. We were members at Monte Alegre and I did a couple of years in the church school there.

My Anabaptist ancestor from Zurich went to Pennsylvania in the 1750s. I found his gravestone in an old churchyard.

In German we call the Täufer (directly translated meaning those who baptize) the groups emerging in Tyrol and other regions later moving to Moravia and Ukraine and eventually America. In America they are called Anabaptists because the Baptists there have a completely different origin. This always confused me a lot. There also were two men with similar names Jakob Hutter (from Southern Tyrol) but also Hans Hut. The Hutterites are named after either both or only one of them it would seem. It would be nice to compare Baptists and Anabaptists as you have done with the Catholics and Orthodox Christians. Some day.

Of the Anabaptists here in the UK not murdered or driven out by the Establishment, many blended into General Baptists etc. One of the difficulties of Anabaptism for the British was their absolute pacifism, which never sat well with the British sense of (even) reluctant self-defence and the defence of others.

@Noyota2

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Or the assault on other nations by the English. Never forget that.

@colinbugby

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Yet we have Quakers?

@gmf121266

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Guess that kinda explains why Anabaptists died out. "I'm gonna kill ya!" ......"OK, go ahead. I won't stop ya!"

Very informative. I use to get Plowshare magazine here in the UK, but stopped a while back to save money. I never considered myself Mennonite.

Thank you,Joshua🌹⭐🌹

Fascinating. For many years in Canada the largest Canadian church was the Meeting House, a multi-site anabaptist congregation.

Maybe you should do a video about Anabaptists in the U.S. versus Germany and Switzerland.

I’ve recently heard of “the missionary church” denomination. Would love to see a video on them

Thanks for your information!

So, does this data support the idea that baptists came from the Anglican Church / Puritans / Congregationalists, as opposed to stemming from the Anabaptists? I'd like to learn more about the baptist / anabaptist origins if anyone could provide me with some info :)

@k-v-d1795

Ай бұрын

Like any other movement, from the cancer of the Reformation.

@user-ow7vo7uy8b

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My understanding is that Baptists emerged out of the general English Dissenter family of movements which were a collection of protestant groups that formed in the 1600's which did not fit into the Church of England. I believe John Smyth, the guy usually considered to be the first Baptist (according to historians, many Baptists believe they are the original church), was a dissenter who took a lot of influence from Anabaptists in the Netherlands.

@DrGero15

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Yes, they have very little to do with the Anabaptists. The first Baptists baptized by pouring as was fairly common in the Anglican church at the time, but quickly switched to immersion only while Anabaptists still pour. The General or Freewill Baptists came from the Anglicans fairly directly and the Strict or Particular Baptists came from the "Non-conformists" IE the Puritans (although there were other groups like the the Presbyterians and Congregationalists that were called Puritans) Basically anyone who wanted the church to reform more were labeled as Puritans and those of them who wouldn't use the Book of Common Prayer were called Non-conformists. Today there are very little examples of Baptists which directly descend from the Anglicans, your best bet to see one is to go to the "First Baptist Church of X" and if they are wearing robes you are in the right place. They are, today, very liberal and have almost entirely died off, they are referred to as "Charleston Tradition" Baptist in Baptist history books. Churches which keep the same theology are easier to find, but in worship practice they are much more like every other Baptist, they are called Freewill or General Baptists in the USA and UK respectively. The other branch that is around today and far easier to find are the "Sandy Creek Tradition" Baptists who are the bulk of the Baptists including the IFB, and SBC today. They came from the Strict Baptist tradition, but were influenced by early Methodist Camp Meetings in the First Great Awaking. The other branch of the Puritan wing are the Reformed Baptists, historically called Strict or Particular Baptists, who are basically Presbyterians who baptize babies. Theologically the High Church/General/Freewill/Charleston Baptists are Arminian and the Low Church/Strict/Particular/Reformed/Sandy Creek Baptists* are Calvinist. *(The Sandy Creek Baptists ditched most of the Calvinist beliefs but kept Preservation of the Saints which today is called Once Saved Always Saved, or Eternal Security, or sometimes If Saved Always Saved, so they are, today, one point Calvinists.) Here is a very rough family tree. (Non-Conformists) Presbyterians Sandy Creek Baptists Puritans ------Congregationalists-------Particular/Strict Baptists------Reformed Baptists Anglicanism General Baptists-----------------Charleston Baptists----------------------------Mostly gone today. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------Freewill Baptists

The former pastor of the Gospel Standard Baptist Church in Choteau, Montana, USA, was a dear friend of mine. They last I knew what he was yet living had opened or were looking at opening a fourth church in the US but don't know if they did; they did plant several congregations in Australia & Canada. That church was founded by a Henry Baouma. I have one of his books I bought from the bookstore. They are a quite sweet-natured people, even if I now disagree with their theology.

I’d love to see a more detailed video on the Missionary Church USA and their sister denomination of the Evangelical Missionary Church of Canada (and perhaps how they often get confused with the Christian and Missionary Alliance). Great video 👍🏼

It is very thorough--very nicely done!

Remarkable. Thank you.

I'm struggling to understand the difference between anabaptist and Baptist. Most towns in the UK have Baptist, churches as well as Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, Pentecostal, and Salvation Army. Less common we also have independent, reformed, brethren and quakers too. We have non Christian religions too of course.

@ReadyToHarvest

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Some differences include - Anabaptists normally baptize by pouring while Baptists only accept immersion. - Anabaptists are nonresistant or pacifists, while Baptists accept going to war. - Anabaptists are Arminian, while many Baptists affirm Eternal Security or Calvinism. - Conservative Anabaptists like Amish and Conservative Mennonites practice plain dress, while Baptists don't. There are other differences too.

Is there any information on trends for the Episcopal Church in the US?

Having met Mennonites in Australia, I'm surprised to see your map says there aren't any.

You should do a video on Rastafari! That’s an interesting topic not discussed yet! 😊😊

very interesting, never something I had thought about before

I'd like to see a video on the Reformed Episcopal Church.

Interesting mystery. Way more interesting than only the kind of mystery which goes something like this: "Where did the captioning go." I better leave this mystery to later too.

Anabaptists are quite common in Canada too, I wish you had talked about that a bit

Interesting parting comment about immigration being the best hope for Church Growth in the UK. The two fastest growing Christian Traditions in The UK are The Chinese Christian Fellowship and The Romanian Orthodox Church. Our local Romanian Orthodox Church has some of the Litanies in English plus the Epistle, Gospel, Lord's Prayer and The Creed are said in both English and Romanian but they still attract very few of the indigenous population. Sadly I cannot comment on The Chinese Christian Fellowship.

The pattern of small independent groups spread throughout different countries is exactly what one would expect from the descendent churches of the Anabaptist. They did it by design for survival. Take out one congregation another one would pop up. This is how the early church spread as well. Spread by persecution by Rome Christianity spread like wildfire until pagan Rome decided if they couldn’t beat them, join them and Roman Catholic Iowa’s born. Which spread partially by missionary work but mostly by political subterfuge, war, forced conversion, currency manipulation and genocide. Even though nearly all Anabaptist descendants are devoutly independent congregations. Even the very early congregations would come together for larger summits whenever it was safe to do so. Even though there are a few groups that are isolationist like our dear, sometimes “sweet” Ahmish, and oddly enough, some cult and cult like groups popped out of the Anabaptist movement, groups like the Jehovahs Witnesses and the 7th XY Adventist. That independent congregation with loosely held larger fellowships is a testaments to how the real church exists and functions. Whose head is Christ. Not some pope, presbytery comity, cult leader, or anything standing posing as some intermediary between people and God. This I believe is what unity actually means. That we love one another in Christ while separating from congregations that change the gospel, or try to establish themselves as a controlling body. If it’s okay to break fellowship with apostate heretical groups lik the JWs, and more contemporary example the United Methodist or United Presbyterian (I know not Anabaptist in origin) why must we be forced to combine politically with groups that demand everyone accept their heresies like sacraments, priesthoods, and papacies? Organizational an political unity is not what Christ and the early Apostles meant by unity and and being one body. The independent church model protects the larger church as a whole. By not having an earthly “head” the world can’t cut off the that head. But it does make it difficult to trace the state of the Anabaptist movement. Especially considering not all Anabaptist descended directly from th original Anabaptist, because the term Anabaptist was applied to anyone who didn’t practice infant baptism or who rebaptised “Ana”baptism people after they come to faith in Christ. Or eventually any independent congregation not attached to a “headquarters “ or presbytery. Example: the Pilgrims, yes those Pilgrims were mostly Anglican who wanted to reform the Church of England. When they went to Holland but couldn’t stay because the Dutch were too “worldly “ what they really meant to say was the Dutch were too independent and Anabaptist. But the independent infection came with them to the New World in the form of the Seperatist Pilgrims and the Reformation Pilgrims. Within one generation in the New World the Anglican Pilgrims would execute anyone who rebaptised or didn’t practice infant baptism by baptismng them to death. Dunking them up and down in a barrel of water till they drown. The people who fled Pilgrim persecution were not directly descended from the earlier group or groups referred to Anabaptist. They were dubbed Anabaptist and eventually just Baptist by the government established “churches. And that’s why the Baptist distinctive is so closely associated with independent congregations, and why Baptist like me don’t consider Baptist like the Southern Baptist Convention as really Baptist because they aren’t independent but have a Presbyterian styled o organizational set up. An even though I don’t consider Southern Baptist as reallly Baptist for that reason, (just look at their corrupt corporate “leadership” to get the gist of my point), I still think of most Southern Baptist as true Christians an I don’t break fellowship with them. Or Anglicans, Presbyterian, Orthodox, or even Catholic for that matter. There’s wheat and tares in every congregation and every establishment church. It up God and his angels on the last day to sort them out.

Back in the 1980's-1990's I was acquainted with the Hutterian Brethren who had a Bruderhof in Darvel, East Sussex, England. I should think they are still there. As I understand it, they derive from the German colony founded by Arnold in the 1930's. edit 7:52 oops I see you know of them!

From your huge database, gathered through years of study, a researcher could investigate factors that lead to growth or decline. It might prove insightful to find growth correlations* with (a) Clerical privilege vs Multiple elders, (b) Peculiar theology vs Bible teaching, (c) State registration vs Political freedom, (d) Land and chapels vs Multiplying small groups, or (e) Easy conversion vs Proof of repentance. *Multiple regression analysis.

Where? My guess is Lancaster County Pa.

It is sad to see smaller denominations, disappearing in the UK. The same thing is happening here in the US. Among my small denomination, the Primitive Baptists, our numbers are also getting fewer and fewer. Out of those who don’t outright abandon faith, many are gravitating towards Southern Baptist, Independent Baptist, Sovereign Grace, or Bible churches. It’s tough to hang on when you are few in number.

So…how does the booklet “trail of blood” correlate into Anna-Baptist history or does it?

America has some very weird versions of "Christian"

@andrewd.conard5088

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They think anybody that doesn't practice "believer's baptism" is "not Christian".

@beardedbdub426

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Yet till the 1520’s, no Christians practiced “believer’s baptism”. The Marburg Colloque (sp?) ended with Luther saying that Zwingli was “of a different spirit”.

@STho205

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Define not weird so we can know your definition of weird....

@beardedbdub426

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Weird is already a defined word. It parallels the Biblical warnings of strange, new, and false teachings. As to examples of how I understand this comment, the 1840’s in America brought in the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, the Millerites (becoming the 7th Day Adventists), and a few off shoots of them. The deistic views of the founding fathers, the revivalism post-revolutionary war, and the influx of all those minorities across Europe coming to America (like the Moravians, Amana Colonies, Hutterites) all trying to be distinct in some areas, melting and merging (syncretism and unionism) with other groups created some church bodies that are weird, strange, never believed before but emerged and asserted religious freedom as a Civil Right regardless of being Biblically right.

@Gate-of-Dawn

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@STho205 The definition of words for usage in common for any meaningful communication in English is contained in the dictionary. If interested in having any meaningful communication, use the dictionary definitions when communicating. I'm not interested in wasting time attempting to communicate with anyone who instead uses personal definitions of words in order to change a meaning to something else. At that stage, they are not speaking English, just their own made-up gibberish.

The census data I found quite interesting. I wonder what percentage of believers (of any religion really but primarily the dominant religion in a country) are cultural believers, that is people who profess a faith due to either societal pressure to conform or because they can advance their social standing (whether consciously or not). To a lesser degree I am curious as to how their deity views it but that is more abstract as that would be between in my case a merciful omniscient God and them.

@hannahk1306

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I can answer this from a purely anecdotal perspective (British and still live in the UK). For my grandparents' and parents' generations, it was expected that you're Christian by default, go to church, get married in a church, etc. Nowadays, people are more likely to ask questions, rather than assume your beliefs and a lot of the "Christian by default" elements of otherwise secular activities are being phased out. I'd say even the older generations are less likely to actively attend church services, but still call themselves Christian and (as far as I'm aware) still hold similar beliefs - they just don't want to be preached at. There is evidence of people 100+ years ago not attending church (or another religious building), but they were much rarer and generally treated with suspicion. You'll find quotes like "he's not a church-goer, but otherwise he's alright". I actually think that there was a not insignificant group of people back then who didn't actually believe, but still attended church because it was the socially acceptable thing to do and it was the centre of community activities. Whereas now there's generally less stigma as to what you believe (so long as it's not harming anyone). There are also older people who have had bad experiences with religion or supposedly religious people, therefore they no longer participate in religious activities like regular church services. However, I wouldn't be able to tell you if they considered themselves to be religious or atheist or something else. I'm sure that some people just tick Christian on the census form because that's what they've always ticked, regardless of their actual beliefs or actions.

Attended a Mennonite Church - Once in Massachusetts. This must be the Anabaptists single church - Charis Fellowship. I never realized Anabaptist were Mennonites. Like the Baptist Churches there are slight differences which may depend upon location. Judging from this one church, they are not my "Cup of Tea". Like Ready to Harvest for you seem to be 'Spot-on' with Analysis. Thank you. God Bless. In Jesus' Name. Amen.

We do. There is the Bruderhof. They’re not as strict as Amish though.

@convertedsinner9536

Ай бұрын

Yes, and they were mentioned in the video, if you would have watched it.

I'm a US citizen who is retired and living in Mexico. There are many Mennonites here. They are most known for their cheese making skills (queso menonito--mennonite cheese) and it's quite tasty. Do you know anything about them?

I read the book about history of Anabaptists in Europe. Really sad sad story

While Eurpoean anabaptists were not able to settle in Britain during the 16th and 17th centuries the ideas of the radical reformation did percolate around parts of country and surfaced partly in General Baptist groups but also in a network of individuals, sometimes inside congregations and sometimes (Seekers) in informal groups. When George Fox linked in to this network in 1652 and started the Quaker movement many (most?) of the radical protestants became Quakers. Inspite of State and Anglican repression the Quakers survived as the nearest thing to an anabaptist denomination in Britain. Quakers in Britain evolved through an evangelical period in the 19th century to become the post-liberal church they now are and still evolving.

Small correction: The Bruderhof actually went to the UK well before the 70s. They were kicked out of Germany by the Nazi party and fled to England, where they founded a community and attracted tons of native English counterculture Christians and pacifists who did not feel it right to participate in the growing conflict (WWII). But then the UK made them leave, so all the German-born members and some of the English members had to flee to Paraguay for a few decades. The community in England still existed, and it was a source of tension within their church after the Paraguay members moved up to America and tried to reconnect with their UK brethren.

@ReadyToHarvest

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Great insight, thanks for sharing!

@KellyS_77

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@@ReadyToHarvest The Channel 'Laura From The Bruderhof" has some really interesting video interviews with one of their members named Ankela, she was a German, who moved to England as a child, lived in Paraguay, and now lives somewhere on the East Coast of the USA (I don't remember where exactly). Fascinating interview.

I'm a Brit. Definitely wrong that immigration is the greatest hope for growth here for churches. Our gospel-preaching baptist church is growing, like many others. We welcome immigrants too of course. The mainline denominations have abandoned the Bible and are experiencing massive decline. Gospel preaching churches are often growing here.

@JoeyC777

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Anabaptism has never really been established in the UK. Baptists draw their roots more from the 17th Century, and are going strong.

@londo776

Ай бұрын

so?

Here in Australia, we have two "Apostolic Christian Church (Nazarene)" congregations, a recently-founded Amish community, and at least one "Contemporary Anabaptist Church".

@MrFarmboy1888

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Also two Nationwide Fellowship conservative mennonite churches(NSW, TAS), and some conservative anabaptist house churches(WA, QLD, TAS, etc)

@Mick116

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@@MrFarmboy1888 Nice.

@Mick116

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@@MrFarmboy1888 I remember there used to be an Anabaptist church up on the Atherton Tablelands in far north Queensland… no idea if that congregation is still going.

@MrFarmboy1888

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@@Mick116 interesting. I am not aware of that one.

Thanks for this balanced overview. I used to teach the Reformation era, including Anabaptism, and many years ago visited the Darvell Bruderhof, as well as attending one or two events at the LMC, as did my wife. You are spot-on that there are virtually no congregations in Britain tracing their roots to the historic Anabaptist tradition, and that the Church of England got very upright about Anabaptism (the spectre of Munster haunted British Protestants for well over a century). But there are a range of groups and congregations within what Donald Durnbaugh calls the 'Believer's Church' tradition. You could even argue that this is a recurrent impulse within Christian history. I was baptized as a believer, pastored a Strict Baptist church (not Gospel Standard, though), and now serve in the Church of England on the Isle of Man as a lay minister because that's where we were called to serve. Sometimes I wonder whether, in a post-Christian culture, those who wish to remain consistently Christian are all becoming 'Anabaptists' now ...

As a member of a brethren im Christ church i find all this interesting.

I knew this nice Baptist girl called Anna...

The Charlie Parker novels by John Connolly feature Anabaptists a couple of t8me…

How many Anabaptists are left in Germany and Switzerland?

@kurteisner67

16 күн бұрын

It's unclear how many Anabaptists are left in Germany. REMID's* last estimation put the number of "members of Mennonite churches" at 47,492 in 2018. This is, as far as I am aware, the newest estimation regarding Anabaptists in Germany and also the number cited by the Mennonite World Conference for Germany. *Religionswissenschaftliche Medien- und Informationsdienst e. V. (Religious studies media and information service registered association) is a non-profit association researching and informing about religion in Germany.

I take it there's isn't a large amount of them in Republic of Ireland or the island crown dependencies either.

Can we get a United Methodist update

"Survey was conducted via Email"

While not one myself, it's a branch I like to learn about though, it is disheartening to learn the state of Anabaptism here in the UK! 😢

@elKarlo

Ай бұрын

I’d say that the state of religion in the UK is very disheartening. I am not a Protestant but Anglican theology is very interesting. Now it’s basically a Unitarian church and the head, Charles is probably an atheist.

@torspedia

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@@elKarlo despite the Church of England slowly collapsing, it's still very much a trinitarian church.

@helenwood8482

Ай бұрын

In the UK, religion is much more personal. For example, I am a Christian druid. I don't go to church much.

@torspedia

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@@helenwood8482 know what you mean, as I'm something of a non-conformist, when it comes to all things religion.

After the Reformation and Catholics and Protestants settled almost their disputes and everyone got its share, every more radical religious groups and sects were unwanted and had to move to Eastern Europe or America. And with the "Münster rebellion" (Anabaptist dominion of Münster) for example, there were some reasonable concerns at that time, about people who want to destroy the order in total.

What was it about Anabaptist that made them get thrown out all over?

@whitehawk4099

Ай бұрын

The Münster Rebellion. What you have to understand about Anabaptism is that there are two strains of it. Firstly, there was the violent strain. The more pacifistic one became as pacifist as it is today because of the excesses of the other strain. In Münster, one part of the reason Anabaptists were reviled is that they exiled men who would not convert, and then made polygamy compulsory. As they did not recognise non-Anabaptist marriages as legitimate, you can imagine how this went. The wives of exiled men were forcibly "married" to the remaining men loyal to the new Anabaptist regime. There was also the general mistreatment and starving of the town's population. The property of the town was collectivised, that is to say, it was seized from the population and distributed to the leadership and their enforcers. Sections of the town were blocked off from one another to prevent gatherings where people may disagree against the regime. As the population starved, regime loyalists had feasts and orgies. You get the picture. It was not pretty.

@JonathanOwenBic

Ай бұрын

That's half the answer. (However, the violent Anabaptist died out very quickly, and their violence had already been rejected by the others.) The other half is that Anabaptists were viewed as dangerous because they rejected the authority of the state in religion, they rejected swearing oaths, and nearly all of them rejected violence (as they took Jesus' teaching literally). There was good historical precedent that their views spread rapidly. If a nation did not want to be "overrun" by Anabaptists in the early years of the movement, they had to harshly persecute them and at least kill their leaders. (Unfortunately, this meant that leaders with formal education were often wiped out, which sometimes allowed extreme views or errors to take hold.) Few countries were willing to put up with people who genuinely tried to love both neighbor and enemy, as that meant that many Anabaptists would refuse to defend the country from invaders. Not swearing meant no oaths of allegiance. Not recognizing the authority of the state in religion meant that they would not follow their rulers' religious convictions. No European country was ready to put up with that. None of these countries had freedom of religion. (In fact, Anabaptists were in the forefront of movements to separate church and state.) Anabaptists were persecuted by all state-run churches (Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican, Catholic, and Orthodox), with some periods of relative leniency interspersed. So even when agreements were made to bring peace between Lutherans and Reformed Christian leaders and governments (for example), Anabaptists didn't have a seat at the table and continued to be persecuted. Where a sympathetic ruler allowed, they were able to flourish. (Review the beginnings of the Moravians under Count Zinzendorf.)

Are the Cox Bretheren still in existence?

@ReadyToHarvest

Ай бұрын

Yes, but they are Plymouth Brethren, which is not an anabaptist group.

PLEASE DO THE CHRISTADELPHIANS! Fascinating offshoot of anabaptist movement in England now all over the world.

@ReadyToHarvest

15 күн бұрын

Video already made coming soon!

@namewitheld2568

15 күн бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest I am so excited. A guy I worked with was of this faith. I thought it was fascinating and actually agreed with quite a bit but it's hard to find good independent information on it. Love your channel. How can I support?

@ReadyToHarvest

15 күн бұрын

@@namewitheld2568 I had a great time researching it. I'm always curious about groups that have beliefs very different from most. I think you will really enjoy the video. I'm glad to have you as a viewer. If you want to support the channel, check out readytoharvest.com for ways to do so. Thanks!

@namewitheld2568

15 күн бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest Just donated. Thanks!

@ReadyToHarvest

15 күн бұрын

@@namewitheld2568 Thank you! I appreciate your support and viewership.

Joshua woke up and chose violence.

There is a Bruderhof not far from where I live in SE England.

@convertedsinner9536

Ай бұрын

The one mentioned at 8:32 or the one at 9:26 ?

@lumpyfishgravy

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@@convertedsinner9536 Yes, one of those. Some have come to our church Christmas event (since they were lending some animals) but not services.

Based on the meaning of the name anabaptist “those who baptize again”, though having shed the name, there are more anabaptists. But before the Reformation, the belief and practice of “not baptizing infants” and “believers baptism” didn’t exist.

Not the Uk, but there us a beachy Amish church in Ireland.

There are some that make furniture, or something?

@convertedsinner9536

Ай бұрын

Yes, and they are mentioned in this video, along with their furniture business.

In the UK, Plymouth Bretherin?

@ReadyToHarvest

Ай бұрын

There are a lot of them, but they are not from the anabaptist tradition.

One of the stranger demographic variations you'll find is in my denomination: the Religious Society of Friends, commonly called Quakers. We started in England. A major colony in what was to become the US was created for us. And yet the country with the largest number of Friends, both per capita and in absolute numbers, is Kenya. I would tell you how that came to be, but honestly that's a part of Friends history that I don't know. I bet you would make a very insightful video if you chose to dive into it, though.

20% in church on Sunday. Yeah right.

@pd4165

Ай бұрын

Maybe not in your area. Self reporting can lead to exageration, but the number of MAGA supporters claiming to be serious christians is astounding - it's always a shock to me how many eejits are actually out there.

Generally England was much less religiously diverse than the United States ever was

@boatrat

Ай бұрын

A state-controlled/controlling religion will do that to you. Hence the primacy of the 1st Amendment as a foundational cornerstone of US political thought.

@thetraditionalist

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@@boatrat yes

@pd4165

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@@boatrat And what a relief it was for England to be rid of all those troublesome nonconformists. In effect it allowed the state religion to flourish more freely and establish a more harmonious state - pretty much everyone reading from the same hymn sheet, as it were. The USA desperatly needed its 1st amendment because the factional fighting was so prevalent - see the middle east with it's various tribes of Sunni and Shia for a great example of how that can work out.

There are Anabaptists in Australia

@STho205

Ай бұрын

A lot of "troublesome groups" were exported forcibly from the UK (Corporation Britain) from 1600 to the mid 1800s. Most of these were removed to America and Australia.

The most encouraging news is that African missionaries are bringing back Christian traditions to the UK. it is my impression that Africa and Asia will soon have the "christian" nations that will have to re-convert the West

@pd4165

Ай бұрын

Yeah - soon the UK will be predominantly irreligious and the only religions left will be the extremists. I was born into a re;igious country - I sure as hell don't miss the dogma.

1) There is a good book called "The Naked Anabaptist" from an anabaptist society in the UK. however, they are mostly non-anabaptist people who are curious about the tradition. 2) The Bruderhof has a few communities in the UK. Or at least 1 at this point. 3) It's not super surprising to not find anabaptists in any country where being so could cost you your life. Most Anabaptists fled to America after William Penn started a colony with religious freedom. They were tired of being killed for their beliefs so they largely left for America. It's mostly through modern missions that Anabaptists are in other places, and even then, they are mostly outside of Western Civilisation, like Africa or Asia.

@convertedsinner9536

Ай бұрын

The UK Bruderhof communities are actually mentioned in this very video.

Whats an Anabaptist??

They became Amish and moved to America

@convertedsinner9536

Ай бұрын

No evidence that any Amish in America come from groups that were in the UK.

The Anglican Church in Canada is starting to grow again in urban areas.

As most of the anabaptist churches seem to be German in origin, why would you expect to find them in the UK? Possibly you are looking in the wrong country,

@pd4165

Ай бұрын

When the anabaptists were being forced out of Germany England was more tolerant, so it was an obvious destination. But England was only more tolerant and the colonies had looser governance/needed colonists so it became a no-brainer to emigrate. Being able to establish monotheistic townships must have been very appealing - something impossible in in England (until much later when things got more relaxed - there is a Moravian settlement just around the corner from me in Manchester and business owners, frequently Quaker, established factory towns where they enforced their doctrines eg Saltaire).

Actually, cellphone data study using 2019 data establishes only 4.6% of Americans go to church weekly. National Bureau of Economics study this April. Americans are lying about going to church weekly.

@timothynorton6137

Ай бұрын

Aren't Anababtists few in Europe as far as long term historical because the Catholic Church tortured and murdered them? Anglicans, Lutherans and Calvinists weren't fond either. My recolection is that some of the creeds denounced Anabaptist beliefs. This is one reason they don't subscibe to any creeds.

@catholicconvert2119

Ай бұрын

@@timothynorton6137 Anabaptists are notorious heretics and a danger to society. Not so much today, but in their historical form, such as in Muenster where they were basically communist revolutionaries that held women ‘in common’

@Paul020253

Ай бұрын

@@timothynorton6137 The Nicene Creed is Pre-Reformation as is the Apostles' Creed so they date from The Period of the Undivided Church. They only state what The Church believes.

@maxxiong

Ай бұрын

I can think of like 3 different reasons for an underestimate: - Older people not taking phone into church - Churches that don't meet in a church building - The definitioj of "weekly" when people occasionally miss church And from 2020+ online church is also an issue.

@catholicconvert2119

Ай бұрын

@@maxxiong -older people may bring it from 4.6% to 5% but it can’t be that big a source of error. The study cross checked their method and it predicted sports event attendance accurately. -that accounts for a few but again it’s not that significant a number - the definition accounted for that it includes as weekly anyone who attended like 80% of the weeks - data was 2019 all pre COVID

ONe god what a load of nonsense

The Anabaptists are the ones who came to America on the Mayflower.

American anabaptists meaning KJV only Baptists have missionaries in the UK. The word anabaptist means to rebaptize adults who have left apostate protestant churches and the pagan roman church. Rebaptizing after these cultural "christians" realize and repent of the errors of the prodestant churches and have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior as in Romans ch 10:9-13. The Baptist church origionated in Jerusalem in 30AD and has continued under many names for 2000 years. The pagan Emporer Constantine began the pagan Roman church in the 4th century and the Baptists refused to go along with this heresy. by roman records, the Roman "church" murdered tens of millions of Baptists over the next 1000 years until the reformation. After the reformation, the compromising prodestants persecuted the Baptists down to this day. several prodestant churches call themselves "reformed baptists" but are actually calvinist Anglicans in theology, teaching a false gospel.

Praise the Lord! But any knock-off of Christianity would be welcomed in England, they're in dire need there.

@pd4165

Ай бұрын

No thanks.

@KellyS_77

Ай бұрын

Some would argue that the current C of E is a "knock off of Christianity" (aka "Apostate") as it is now seen by many people to be more concerned with being socially correct rather than scripturally correct..

@LurkingObserver

Ай бұрын

@@KellyS_77 There are Church of England's and Church England's, not everyone gave in into abomination. You still can find conservative churches of England and even those who preserve the sacred tradition

@KellyS_77

Ай бұрын

@@LurkingObserver I looked to see if there was one local to me after I watched a recording of Calvin Robinson and realized that C of E wasn’t always as woke as it seems to be today. Robinson sounded a lot more sensible to me, like he’s actually read the Bible and thought about what it said, and how Jesus would likely have treated people in today’s world. Unfortunately the closest church to me that follows the Bible more closely is quite far away and not really a trip I’d want to make every week. I grew up in the USA and was baptized as a Methodist. They have a very similar split happening in their churches. (I stopped attending there as a child because my mother stopped going.)

You’re constantly conflating England with the uk. They’re very different things the Anglican Church isn’t a thing in Scotland, never has been even when Cromwell tried his genocide here it still never stuck. Census results in Scotland for example in 2022 48% of Scots declared as non religious with only 3.4% as regular church goers. I understand as an American your education doesn’t distinguish between England as a country and the union it’s in with three other countries. Bit like us Scot’s referring to Texas when we mean Merica.

@ReadyToHarvest

Ай бұрын

Nothing is conflated. England is one part (The largest part) of the UK. The Texas analogy doesn't really work. 84% of UK citizens are in England. Only 9% of US citizens are in Texas. It's more like how you referred to "America" meaning the US, but the US is only actually part of America. There is an Anglican church in Scotland, it's called the Scottish Episcopal Church. I already made a video about the Church of Scotland, it will be out in a couple weeks. Hope you'll watch.

American and British Christianity are entirely different. Our religion is not performative and isn't run for profit. We are mostly broadly Pelagian and do not believe in original sin. Most of us do not believe in Hell or the Devil. We are also (now) more tolerant of other groups. The Pilgrim Fathers left here because our laws meant they could no longer persecute Catholics.

@chibu3212

23 күн бұрын

I can see where certain British Christians can no longer believe in hell (literal, metaphorical) or a devil, but why do you still believe in a heaven, let alone an afterlife?

Your grasp of geography is typically American.

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are not "Mormon" - that's a derogatory term.

@pd4165

Ай бұрын

Methinks thou dost complain too much. Mormons refer to the Book of MORMON and they practice a religion called MORMONISM. If they don't want to be a joke maybe they shouldn't send 'elders' round to my house.....barely out of their teens.

@KellyS_77

Ай бұрын

LDS called themselves the Mormon church for many many decades. They had a massive billboard campaign back in (I think) the early 2000's. Stop being offended on someone else's behalf.

@convertedsinner9536

Ай бұрын

LOL about it being a derogatory term. That's objectively false and the LDS church doesn't claim that.

Every baptist who does not recognize infant sprinkimg adult sprinkling or any baptism that is not by immersion and performed on believers alone are Anabaptists. If you re-baptise all of those who were not baptised properly by the command of Christ, is an Anabaptist! We accept that slur and reproach as the scars of following the Lord of glory and truth.