My snarky rebranding has been “I believe Jesus *is* Lord, not *will be* Lord” 😎

@unexpectedTrajectory

Жыл бұрын

Love it. I heard someone talking up post-mil like it's optimistic- "We're going to win!" I responded, not that they could hear me, "I'm not waiting to win... we ARE winning in exactly the ways Jesus wants to." I know they believe that too in terms of God's providence, but, point being, I'm not waiting except in saying, "Come, Lord Jesus."

The thing with Amillennialism, is that there are three veiws. Preterist, partial-Preterist, and non-preterist. The non-preterist veiw (aka Reformed Amillennialism) as taught by Kim Riddlebarger, Anthony Hoekema, and others, seems to be the most biblically sound of the three veiws.

Hey! Kirk Cameron has repented of the left behind perspective and is now postmil ;)

@wallywest001

4 ай бұрын

Kirk Cameron is Post-Tribulation Rapture Pre-Millenial.

Symbolic Millennialism, I've thought of Amillennialism by that name. When I look at history since the first century, I'm an Amillennialist. But, at age 17, in the 1970s, I was a Premillennialist, Dispensationalist. By age 30, I waa a Historic Premillenialist. But, just before age 40, I became an Amillennialist. Can mere stone and metal chains hold a fallen spirit being? Nope, obviously symbolic language. If those words are symbolic, why not the symbolic use of Millennium as well? So, I'm a Symbolic Millennialist.

More than conquerors by William Hendrickson is a wonderful Amil interpretation of revelation

@vanessaclark6761

Жыл бұрын

More Than Conquerors changed my life!

“Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭27‬:‭17‬ ‭ESV‬‬ This is a great conversation we should continue to have in the church. So often others get offended or harsh about different views of eschatology. We should be able to talk about this with others and grow in our faith and not bite and devour one another.

I just call it Present-Millennialism. Its simple and it states what we hold to. There is pre, post and present.

Call it YAHmil! Yahweh reigns!

The most popular champion of amillenialism is Calvinist Voddie Baucham who has locked horns with premillennial Calvinist John MacArthur.

Very diplomatic Pastor. well done sir. 😁

Thank you, brother. I don't know exactly what it was, because you didn't go super deep into any of the views, but something "clicked" in my brain here, that made me convinced of the Amill view way more than ever. I've been patiently considering my eschatological position for a bunch of years, teetering back and forth between Amill and Post, usually finding myself leaning a hair more toward Amill. But something about this video made a light bulb go on, saying, "Yes, Amill! That is the only one that makes sense once you put all of the pieces together!" So, I just wanted to say thank you, brother. This was very helpful to me. I thank the Lord that He has provided you as a learning resource for His church in this day. To Him be the glory!

Excellent presentation brother! It really strengthened my Amillenial view.

I grew up as a dispy in a big Eva church. When I got saved, I became a historical pre mil (not to say that dispies aren’t saved). Now that I’ve gone further into theology, my mind has began to change. I don’t know what I am eschatology wise but I’m leaning post or A mil. Thank you for posting this video. I recently purchased Beale’s shorter commentary to read up as a bunch of friends and I go through revelation. Wanted to bring some other views to the table. Love your ministry brother.

Thx for your teaching! Very refreshingly understandable & helpful!

I would love to see you do an interview with Doug Wilson regarding his view of Postmillennialism!

@sarahd5341

Жыл бұрын

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Good presentation. I agree, a re-branding of amil would be helpful. "Supra" sounds good; Christ is reigning now on high. I think Anthony Hoekema used the term, "realized millennium," so that's another possibility. I'm always wanting to learn more but in all my reading and studying, at this point I'm still thinking that amillennialism does the most justice to Scriptural teaching, i.e., it makes the most sense when looking at all the Scriptures that touch on the topic.

This was a great breakdown, thanks

I thought you were PostMill pastor Matt , I’m Amill as well. I think an optimistic Amill is similar to what old school postmill guys like Edwards envisioned .

@bigtobacco1098

5 ай бұрын

This...

Thank you, brother!

Thank you, Brother 🌹🌹🌹🌹

Wow! It has been a minute since I’ve dove into this topic. Like many, I grew up on Dispy/PreMill and almost went to DTS for school. In my early years of exploring Eschatology, I went from standard Dispy to “Progressive Dispy” to the Pre-wrath view and it wasn’t until I started diving in to reformed theology that I really started to allow myself to explore Post-mill and A-mill. I’ve since then landed on A-mill myself and it’s now been almost 10 years that I’ve been operating in that view. Sam Storms book “Kingdom Come” being a pinnacle read for me in getting out of Dispay Eschatology all together.

@martidiamond7109

Жыл бұрын

Agree... ❤

@bigtobacco1098

5 ай бұрын

I waiver between amil and post...

This is a very clear video. I’m amill and was wondering what direction you were going to go. I agree that the confusing name leads so many people to dismiss my view or not understand it at all.

@martidiamond7109

Жыл бұрын

Agree ❤

Very interesting video. Pastor Everhard loves the Lord and has a very high view of the Bible. I don't agree with amillennialism as taught by the reformers but I'm still learning about it to understand their point of view.

Thought provoking video. I hold to pre- millennial post trib rapture. The book of Revelation seems to teach that satan will be bound for a thousand years then released. My theology leans toward a reform Baptist position, but I live in the midst of Arminian Baptist. If it weren’t for RC Sproul, John MacArthur, Theocast and others I would have no sound teaching. Appreciate your videos they are short and to the point.

Pre-trib, Pre-mil, Dispensational, Free Will, Baptist. Yet for some reason I still watch many of your video :)

The turn to a bluish screen around the 7:30 mark as you are stating that the rapture and 2nd coming are the same event was kinda wild, lol.

My understanding is Kirk Cameron is now Postmill.

Jesus Messiah Reigns - Gospel-Age Millennialism (Acts 2:5-13 Fulfilled the “Second Remnant” Prophecy of Isaiah 11:11-16)

I’ve listened to your videos since your Bible reviews days And I’m really surprised to hear you call yourself A-Millennial as I’ve always thought you were PostMill based of some things you’ve said in past videos. I’ve even told my PostMil friends that you were my favorite PostMil teacher. Like I said highly surprised 😂.

@sarahd5341

Жыл бұрын

He’ll get there 😉

I’ve thought about that one myself. I used to be a premillennialist, then when the Second Coming didn’t have anything to do with Israel becoming a nation again, the I believe the Holy Spirit showed me the Resurrection and “Rapture,” per se happened in 68 AD. I subscribe to a-millennial eschatology because post millennialism means the whole world has to become Christian before Christ comes back; very hard to believe that could ever happen. I know Rushdoony and Gary North promoted that. The issue is with the words “The Millennium.” It’s only in the book of Revelation, and it has to be taken as symbolic. Yes, Christ does reign in heaven, but when you attach literal time to it, the word fails. “Symbolic Millennialism” should be the true words for it. I don’t care what the other dogmatic “infallible” pre-trib pastors think of us. The other books are, “Last Days Madness” by Gary DeMar and “End Times Fiction.” The best book is “The Last Days According to Jesus,” by RC Sproul. I guess I must profess to be a preterist, except for “New Earth.”

@sarahd5341

Жыл бұрын

PostMill doesn’t hold that everyone in the entire world becomes Christian but that every nation becomes Christian and majority are saved. Psalm 2. Psalm 110:1. Isaiah 2. 1 Corinthians 15:25. Etc.

@RAJohns

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahd5341 That’s not going to happen either. There are different interpretations for I Corinthians 15:25, and if you read it the way it’s written, it says, “He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet.” Reign means “wins in battles.” It goes along with “And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly.” Romans 16:20. I believe that prophecy was fulfilled shortly by 70 AD.

Can you make a playlist with your revelation sermons? Appreciate what you’re channel

@MatthewEverhard

Жыл бұрын

There is already one! Can you not see it on your end?

@Minininja0412

Жыл бұрын

@@MatthewEverhard Yeah I just double checked your playlists to make sure. Could you post the link maybe?

@Minininja0412

Жыл бұрын

@@MatthewEverhard And just to clarify, I mean a playlist for your Revelation sermons specifically. Not the big playlist with everything

Great video Pastor. You stated a few times that Pre-Mil is negative. I am not sure how it is truly negative when the church is raptured before God's Wrath/Jacob's Troubles/Daniel's 70th week happens. So many post-mil believers think they are all gun-ho and will survive the great tribulation yet the Lord has stated they will not. As a decades long bushcrafter and prepper, I would not wish to remain in the great tribulation which is a comfort for me.

@robertfishter2862

10 ай бұрын

The postmills believe the great tribulation has already taken place.

Great breakdown on the eschatological views - agree the term "amillennialism" doesn't necessarily describe the view well but the content of the position provides a realistic view to end times, in that sinful people are becoming more sinful, but despite this, Christ is still perfecting His Kingdom and is gathering His saints from every tongue, tribe and nation. Christ reigns and rules and is overcoming this sinful dying world, by sending the Holy Spirit through His church to every nation and applying the gospel to His elect. Perhaps the tags "Supra-millennial" or "OA" may be the most accurate terms, being that although we recognize the sin of man and the pending judgment of sinful man, we see Christ overcoming this world and saving His people.

Doug Wilson often says: “The Millennium is a thousand years of peace that Christians like to fight about.”

I always refer to it as "Realized" or "Present" Millennialism.

Big Fan... of Peanut butter and apples!!! ( behind you!)

The I-Want-To-Be-Post-But-I-Just-Can’t-Quite-Get-There-millennialist :), just kidding, love you guys, thanks for the awesome video!

One of the differences between people from different views is the extent to which they quote scripture and place texts next to one another.

@MB777-qr2xv

23 күн бұрын

At least some Amillennialists believe that the Christians who have died are ruling with Christ from Heaven. This takes place during the time between Christ’s First and Second Comings. They believe Satan is bound. Here is a major problem with that; If we just take a simple look at the world today it certainly does not appear that Satan is bound (so as not to deceive the nations) and Christ is ruling and reigning. If Satan is bound during the Church Age as per Amillennial doctrine, then why does scripture call him the god of this world? Also, if Satan was bound and Christ was reigning, do we really think we would have over a billion Muslims, who view Jesus as a prophet right below Mohamad, a billion Buddhists, who believe Jesus was an enlightened person, a billion Hindus, who believe Jesus studied yoga and became a guru to the Jews, a billion Catholics who are entrusting their souls to Mary at the hour of their death, nearly a billion atheists, the LGBTQ running rampant, TV shows and movies, that continually blaspheme God and His Christ, drinking, drugs, human trafficking, and colleges that have become propaganda mills that promote Godless, Big-bang theology and Darwinian Evolution, and a host of other sinful deeds that will be eliminated during the reign of Jesus Christ, our Holy God. This is a good example of eisegesis; reading pre-conceived ideas into the text, rather than simply reading what the text is clearly stating. Also, with Christ ruling from Heaven, why does 2nd Timothy 3:1-13 say, "But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God."

Just call amil, classical eschatology.

I’ve heard others use ‘ realised millennialism’ I am quite happy with ‘Millennialism’

I attend an OPC Church. Pastor is amill. Today's sermon on 2 Thessalonians 2. You say you are only looking for return of Christ, but what about The Man of Lawlessness? He must rise before Christ returns, no?

The two cities work out the logic of their respective loves alongside each other. The city of God progresses in its knowledge of and obedience to the will of God. Yes, things are getting better. The city of this world follows its idols and reaps the consequences of its misplaced loves. Yes, things are getting worse. I am optimistic about the progress of the gospel and the church of Jesus Christ. I am pessimistic about the short- and long-term effects of disobedience. We live with both realities in the present age until the return of Christ.

I'd vote for "Supra-Millineals." Very good and well known theologians and pastors have greatly misrepresented Amillinealism.

Actually, there are a lot of parallels between Postmill and Amill.

We re in the “millennium “ now so I prefer the term coined by Dr, Rogers, “inmillennium”

Give some effort to "The Millennium" by Loraine Boettner. It's hard work but so worth reading Boettner. Full disclosure, his book "The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination" was central to my understanding of the doctrine. Boettner appears to be either postmil or amil in his eschatology (I don't remember anything specific). The reasoning is that, as Matthew 28:18-20, Christ said "All authority" had been given to him. In Matthew 16:17-19 Jesus also declared the gates of hell shall not prevail against his gospel. And, in general, as Christ has preeminence in all things, he shall have preeminence on Earth as in Heaven, including, thinks Boettner, the number of souls who in the end shall be saved versus those who are lost. To reign as king is to act as king and his will shall prevail. Numbers 23:19, "...hath he said it and shall it not be done?"

Thank you for presenting your view of amillennialism and for taking time to discuss eschatology. I once held this view. However, I find it difficult to support this view from the Scriptures. Amillennialism’s claim that the Lord Jesus Christ is now ruling and reigning over the millennial kingdom from heaven😊 does not agree with the many places in Scripture that demand an earthly throne for the Davidic Messiah. Psalm 110 states that the Lord will sit at the right hand of the LORD until His enemies are made a footstool for His feet, implying that Jesus’ current disposition at the Father’s right hand will change in the future. The covenant made with David in 2 Samuel 7 demands a throne on which a descendant of David will rule forever. This is also stated in Isaiah 9:6-7, where the Lord Jesus will rule on the throne of David and over his kingdom. The Davidic covenant is re-stated at the annunciation to Mary by Gabriel as recorded in Luke 1:31-33 which states that the Lord Jesus will reign over the house of Jacob forever. The throne of David promised to our Lord Jesus Christ is never located in heaven and is a separate throne from the Father’s throne. The Lord Jesus clearly makes the distinction between the two thrones in Revelation 3:21. The throne of David and the throne in heaven are never conflated. There are other difficulties with the amillennial position but I believe the conditions stipulated in the Davidic covenant will not support the view that the millennial kingdom is now and that the Lord Jesus is now ruling and reigning in the sense that your view would suggest. Thank you again for your videos. May God bless you and your family.

Hi all, interesting view... Is anyone able to explain me the presbyterian opinion on creationism?

@ZacharyTLawson

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I presume you mean conservative Presbyterians bc in the PCUSA, you can basically believe whatever you want. I’ll answer from the perspective of a PCA Presby (as is Pastor Matt). If you want a detailed starting point, do a search for “PCA Special Report on Creation”. It will bring up a summary report from the Creation Study Committee (CSC) looking into this question and what the permissible creation views in the PCA are for Teaching Elders (TE). It is a bit dated (1999), but to my knowledge, it is still the governing document. C. John “Jack” Collins, is a PCA TE and one of the members of that committee who has in recent years written the book “Reading Genesis Well”, which is extremely helpful. But enough prolegomena. Here’s a brief summary: The Westminster Divines appear to have held Genesis to teach creation in “six days”, as expressed in the Westminster Standards. But those six days have been historically understood in a number of ways, including (i) sequential or gapped 24 hour periods, (ii) long unspecified periods of time, (iii) a literary framework not corresponding to time, (iv) analogical days meant to communicate God’s work to us using the idiom of our workweek, and (v) “other”. The conclusion of the CSC is “That since historically in Reformed theology there has been a diversity of views of the creation days among highly resected theologicans, and, since the PCA has from its inception allowed a diversity, that the Assembly affirm that such diversity as covered in this report is acceptable as long as the full historicity of the creation account is accepted.” Hope that helps!

@fabiantanguy3853

Жыл бұрын

@@ZacharyTLawson thanks you for your time

My favorite is "intra-millennial" - we are "within" the millennium. Other possibilities might be "pan-millennial" - the millennium is all-encompassing, and "co-millennial" - we are together "with" the millennium. I think someone has suggested "trans" (across), but that option suffers in the current culture.

@Swiftninjatrev

Жыл бұрын

intramil is a really good one. the rest aren't the best i think. probably best to just call it AHmillenialism 😂

I'm so confused. Is pre mill, a mill and post mill have to do with the rapture? I was always going to pre trib church but the Mill in there throws me off. I need to take a good class in Escatology!

@66WDB

Жыл бұрын

The "rapture" is normally a big deal in pre-millenial circles. They see the coming of Jesus in 1st Thesslonians 4:13-18 to be a distinct event from the second coming at the end of Revelation. Most folks in the post or a-millenial circles just see the event in 1st Thessalonians 4 as just another description of the second coming. To me this is sort of obvious.

Never did understand why the Nicholas Cage Left Behind remake was made. Didn't make sense. "Televangelist's with their overly complicated churches." 😂 I think Alpha Privative would make a great superhero or youtube channel name!

Hi Pastor Matt. I'm on the fence leaning towards amill, but can't resolve the binding of Satan. If he is bound in the abyss how do we understand Ephesians 6:11-16 and 1 Peter 5:8? They imply he is active and not bound. Please help me understand the amill perspective. Blessings.

@davidmudra

9 ай бұрын

Good question but no response.

@bigtobacco1098

5 ай бұрын

He doesn't respond to every question

@bigtobacco1098

5 ай бұрын

However I am sure you can find an answer to your question somewhere

Thoughts on preterism?

how about AHmillenialism?

I just say Kingdom Now

14:30 wait…John is hung up on numbers?? And his (John’s) theology?

Rebrand Amil to historical postmillennialism, like Jonathan Edward’s or the confession, and then we’ll be fine ;)

@MatthewEverhard

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha. Will do. Lol! Blessings my friend.

@michaelmock8484

Жыл бұрын

Classic Bridger.

@bridgerbond

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmock8484 I know…. I’m a nerd.

Revelation 20:2&3 "And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. " How do you get around a clearly stated 1000 yrs reading of this verse?

Curious. Are you or can you be partial Preterist and Amil?

@ETube1971

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you can be both.

In fact, the label is answering a binary proposition: Is the second coming before or after the millennium? You can only then be "pre" or "post." Amil is postmil, I wonder if they came up with the name to separate themselves from a classic postmil that had a literal 1,000 year golden age or to focus less on the residual gospel effects in society and politics. The amil view has to first start off by apologizing for its misleading name (they DO, in fact, believe in a millennium), then they have to logically admit they believe the second coming is "post-mil," and finally they admit they are "optimistic" once they qualify that Christians will suffer and there will always be wheat and tares growing up together (but all agree on this). So what is an amil? According to amils, they are "optimistic" "post-mil"...which sound a lot like "postmil" to me. If premils can have pre/mid/post trib premils, and pre-wrath premil, and new creation millennialiasm premil alwith great disagreements, but all under that same "premil" umbrella then why can't amils just recognize they are, in fact, postmil and recognize this us tgeir logical category and the "___-millennial" label need not carry the burden of describing every possible answer to every single text. Lastly, I wonder if the relatively novel term "amil" came about to create distance between classical postmil which had a literal 1,000 years and a golden age. If so, then now today's postmils amils agree on that over against classical postmil. Final answer? Yeah, "optimistic amil" might be the best imperfect label at least until we realize a lot of it really is semantics between a/postmil.

@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181

2 ай бұрын

Sorry, from 2 months ago, but, Thank you, very well said!!! Why do they have to make it so confusing? Everything I have FINALLY learned from the HS, once I finally get it . . . is that I didn't get it earlier because I was making it to hard, to complicated, the final solution has always been the simplest one!!! "For My yoke is easy & My burden is light!"

I have never come across an Amil who is not at least partial preterist. It seems this gentleman is in fact Amil and believes we are living through revelation. Also, from what I know of postmil, the belief is not that it is up up and away, as he says. That being said, the postmil does have the historical advantage of seeing the incredible advancements, since the Ascension, in the church and the world in general, all because of Protestant Christianity.

Isn’t traditional Amil more pessimistic? If I’ve studied correctly, the position use to be that as the spread of the gospel and the kingdom goes, the kingdom of darkness will also grow and increase its opposition to the kingdom of Christ and this will always be until Christ comes back, no?

@bigtobacco1098

5 ай бұрын

It ebbs and flows both ways... but in the end it gets worse

I've been thinking the same thing lately. I like the idea of dropping the 'a', but you then mistakenly said we should then be called millennials, while in fact we should be called millennialists, as there are no premillennials nor postmillennials, but premillennialists and postmillennialists. In that case there would be no confusion with the generation of millennials.

What about post-mil lite?

@hokieham

Жыл бұрын

Optimistic Amil?

You're right that post-millennialists keep track of politics very closely. Dante Alighieri was a Joachimite, which I think expected a "new Pentecost" event (within the Catholic Church, of course), and he believed that the Holy Roman Emperor would have to unify and rule all of Christendom to bring about the Second Coming, because the Incarnation happened immediately after Augustus consolidated the Roman Empire. (This is the hidden subtext of some character speeches in the "Divine Comedy.") Millennial expectation was in the air in the late Middle Ages.

I'm Pre -mill pre -trib because don't need to change the text veiw, not because of charts or left behind series.

@michaelmannucci8585

Жыл бұрын

You'll come around!

@Servant_unkown

Жыл бұрын

@Michael Mannucci No thank you, don't want to be author of the Bible when God is the author of Bible with Allegorical or Symbolic language that's not there in text

@michaelmannucci8585

Жыл бұрын

@@Servant_unkown With respect, the dispy premil position believes in all kinds of symbolic and allegorical language. It's disingenuous when they try to claim their position is "the literal" interpretation. For example: 1. They see the beast as not a literal beast 2. They see the 7 headed dragon as not a literal 7 headed dragon 3. Babylon is not seen as literal Babylon 4. "Soon", "At hand", "About to take place", etc. is all interpreted as thousands of years in the future 5. The mark (666) is a microchip, not a literal mark 6. Locusts with human faces are not literally locusts with human faces (perhaps a helicopter?) There are many more. One could argue that the dispensational premillenial position is the most symbolic inerpretation of Revelation, as on their view its about events so far in the future that it couldn't be speaking literally about anything to its original audience, as no one except the generation to which it comes could understand it. For example, the common idea that the mark will be a microchip makes those passages *uninterpretable* to anyone in church history before microchips. More wild interpretation that impose modern nations and politics (like Russia and China) into Revelation are widly allegorical.

@michaelmannucci8585

Жыл бұрын

@@Servant_unkown However, Revelation *is* filled with symbolic language, but we don't have to guess as Scripture interprets Scripture. For example, I highly doubt you believe that one day in his courts is only better than 1000 elsewhere and no more (Psalm 84:10)? Or that the Lord only owns the cattle on 1000 hill an no more (Psalm 50:10)? No, you recognize that "1000" is symbolic. All throughout Scripture, 1000 is used symbolically as "forever" or a very long period, but suddenly when we reach revelation, it HAS to be 1000 literal years? Forgive me for being skeptical.

@Servant_unkown

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmannucci8585 You realize you had to add allegories along with assumptions that the symbolic again making you the author of scripture. Like for example why say Christ life is literally accept for the parts that prophetic and allergorize them for not a future kingdom for Israel? It's meant to be a encouragement about this topic because it says it in the beginning of revelation" for the reader who will understands" . Again I ain't the author of author of scripture so have to go literally most of the way while some of the examples shown where metaphors not symbolic or allergorize making you the author of the text

What about present mil? Or redemptive historical milennialism? I heard a joke from Stephen Hackett where he said the half hour of silence in Rev. 8:1 was because everyone was getting out there eschatology charts. 😂

@billmeeks9860

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing and calling it Pres-mil.

@BiblicalStudiesandReviews

Жыл бұрын

You got to watch that Stephen Hackett guy 😂 I like “inaugurated eschatology”

@chrisjohnson9542

Жыл бұрын

​​@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews haha 😂 will do. I was wondering if you would see my message. That made my day.

Not all amils are optimistic. Some view the events on earth as irrelevant, since the millennium is purely spiritual in nature. Whether things get visibly better or worse here and now is not what matters. Christ's reign is only in the hearts of believers, rather than as the Ruler of nations.

The best of both amil and postmil is found in historic premil. Amil stops too short of the goal, while postmil goes too far. With historic premil you can be covenantal (non-dispensational), confessional (there were interestingly many historic premils who oversaw the writing of the 1689 and also the WCF), historical (the eschatology of the earliest church fathers closest to the apostles!), a balanced hermeneutic, and even optimistic - as all of Christ’s elect are gathered (none are lost), the nations are all evangelized (yes, there will be revivals, but there will also be apostasy), and the glory of the Lord will fill the earth (during the Millennium).

Im a hybrid of Post-Millenial and Pre-Millenial with a Post-Tribulation Rapture.

Is that a PB & Granny Smith snack I see in the distance? 😋

I would suggest scriptural millennialism or millennialism scriptura.

@robertfishter2862

10 ай бұрын

Everyone thinks their view is the scriptural one.

If you read your Bible and study it you will see in the O T what the Messias is coming to do,and He exacly came to do it during His reign on earth He fulfilled every word,nothing to be done anymore.If He return it will be only to judge the world and after that He will give everything over to His Father and God will be everything in everyone (all the reborn children of God) so Amillinnium is the only right believe in escatology.Glory to Jesus Christ our Lord.Amen.

Present Millenialists?

Supra

Thanks for that clear definition. I have a question though about why you would say that 1,000 years is symbolic because all the other date counts in Revelation are actual time counts (1265 days, 42 months, 3 1/2 years)

@jrhemmerich

9 ай бұрын

Because for the most part revelation is symbolic and it’s pictures and numbers, based upon prior OT revelation, point to certain historical realities. The 1000 years represent a long, undefined period of time because that is how the number is used in scripture. “Better is one day in the Lord’s court than 1000 elsewhere,” and “the Lord owns the cattle on 1000 hills.” One thousand is used for a great indefinite value. This indefinite value fits with Rev 20, because the kingdom Jesus planted at his first coming, and so was “at hand”and came to visible expression with the fall of the temple, is a kingdom which will last until Jesus returns and turns it over to the Father as his completed work (1 Cor. 15:24). Some people do take the periods of 1260 days, 42 months, and 3 1/2 times, as symbolic for the millennial age. But I would agree they specify a short period of time because they all express 3 1/2 years, but in different measures, and that diversity indicates a more literal chronological meaning. But I’m a partial-preterist amill so I’m going to be more historical than a lot of idealist-futurist amils (such as Beal) in my reading of revelation. In my view, Rev 1-19 focuses on the close of the old covenant and judgment of unfaithful Israel, and Rev 20 is about the international rule of Christ and the growth of his church among Jew and Gentile until he comes. Rev. 21 is about the eternal kingdom. In eschatology, it’s about constantly fine tuning the big and small pictures to each other. But we are all still working on this :)

@bugsocsollie1694

9 ай бұрын

​@jrhemmerich I am trying to understand where amils are coming from, and I think I'm starting to get it, but then someone says something so ridiculous that I lose concentration. Are you saying that Revelation 20's use of "1000 year" six times, can not be a literal 1000 years because God said He owns the cattle on a 1000 hills? ...and I guess you don't really believe that He owns the cattle on a thousand hills, too, huh? So this you guys don't believe, eventhough Scripture clearly says it. But you do believe we are currently in the millennium, eventhough Scripture doesn't say that at all, anywhere.

@jrhemmerich

9 ай бұрын

@@bugsocsollie1694, Haha, yeah, been there. I wasn't always a realized millennialist. I understand the repetition of the number might make it seem more like an exact number. But I think the overall use of whole numbers as symbols which represent historical realities in Rev. is more significant than the repetition of the number. For example the number 7 often means perfection or complete, because of its association with the 7 days of creation. There are repeated reference to the seven horns of the lamb, and the seven eyes (similar to the 7 eyes in Zachariah), and the seven Spirits, which seem to refer to the perfect omniscience of the Holy Spirit manifest with his Church (Rev. 5:6). It is difficult to say whether the seven eyes and Spirits are the seven churches or represent the Holy Spirit who is with them. But I think it would be inappropriate to insist that the seven eyes which are on the seven horns and the seven Spirits means that God actually is made up of seven Spirits, just because this number is repeated several times. I think the pattern teaches us to presume the symbolism of whole numbers. Seven is the number of the churches, and 144 thousand is the number of the tribes of Israel squared and multiplied by 1000. This number represents the perfect number of the saved from out of Israel. John heard this number but he saw a great multitude. I see lots reasons to take it as a symbolic number. You ask whether I would say God owns the actual cattle on an actual thousand hills? I would say that I understand the meaning of that picture to be that God owns all the cattle on all the hills. That is why the number 1000 represents an indefinite number. The Psalm is definitely not saying God only own these cattle on those 1000 hills, but not the cattle on the 1001st hill. I would say we all are desirous of believing what God says about the millennium. If it were an exact 1000 years I would not have a problem with that. But each view of it is shaped by where we locate the book in time. This greatly affects where we see chapter 20 fitting into God's purposes. If one places revelation during the last 7 years of the current age, then it makes sense that Rev. 19 would be the return of Christ (even though it is a vision into heaven) and there might be 1000 literal years of His reign on earth (but in this case one can't read the repeated statements very literally that the events of the book are to take place "soon" and should "not be sealed up," liked Daniel's prophesies were, because these events are "at hand"). And if Revelation is a repeated cycle of generic events which repeat with the end of the seals, trumpets, bowels, Chapter 19, and Chap. 20 all having the same end with the return of Christ, then the millennium would represent the period between the cross and Christ's second advent. This is the futurist amil view. (but in this case one has to take the 3 1/2 times and 42 months as both representing the entire church age, which is odd as these are very specific time references and not a generic round numbers like 7, 1000, or 144,000). But if one places Revelation as given in AD 65, during the reign of Nero, who was the 6th king of Rome after Julius Cesar (see Rev. 17:9, five kings were fallen), and it covers the destruction of Jerusalem, the great city where Jesus was crucified (Rev. 11:8), from three different angles (the seals 1/4 destruction, trumpets 1/3 destruction, and bowls completion of destruction the land of Israel) which all end with the same judgment on the great unfaithful city who killed the prophets, with thunder and flashing of the ark of the covenant, to bring the old covenant to a close and to proclaim that the kingdom of Christ was being sent among the nations (Rev. 11:18-19; 14:20; 16:18-19; 19:15), then this brings us to the end of the Temple and the old covenant in AD 70. Nero, the beast dies in AD 68, and death of the false prophets of the revolution in AD 70 (John of Gischala and Simon son of Giora). Then, this places the kingdom age beginning after the fall of the temple, and so the way into the holy place in heaven through Christ's sacrifice was made evident (Heb. 9:8). Satan was bound with the end of the Jewish persecutions so that the gospel could go forth to the nations. And so it overtook Rome, swept through Europe and is sweeping through China and will eventually have its impact upon ethnic Israel for their salvation and peace in the land. Then after sometime Satan will be released and then Christ will return and bring the fullness of the new heavens to a new earth. This is partial-preterist amillennialism. (in this case the coming of Christ to the churches and to Jerusalem in AD 66-70, is not a literal coming on the clouds, it is read as a providential judgments brought through Rome, like Yahweh's cloud judgment of Egypt through the Babylonians in Isa.19). I would just point out that none of the orthodox options on Revelation take everything literally. The question is which view solves most of the problems and interprets the symbols and the time signature texts in the best fashion. I think you can tell which one I pick. A big part of both futurist and partial preterist amils points of view, is that the kingdom of God was at hand at Jesus' first coming. The rock of Daniel 2:35 is understood to have have impacted Rome and Jerusalem in the first century at Christ's first coming (during the Apostolic generation). This view of the kingdom and the believers as participating in the heavenly Jerusalem (Heb. 12:22) is central to the notion that the millennial kingdom is the present Gospel age. So as you can see, it's not just about the interpretation of the 1000 years being literal or not. Sorry for carrying on. More than you wanted to know. I hope that helps you understand where some of us nut jobs are coming from! We definitely could be wrong. If so, I hope the Lord will correct us. Fortunately, we still share much in common.

@bigtobacco1098

5 ай бұрын

​@@bugsocsollie1694only 1000 hills ???

@bigtobacco1098

5 ай бұрын

​@bugsocsollie1694 the Bible doesn't say TRINITY either... but the Bible does say that "the kingdom of God is at hand"

I actually like suggestion of the millennialists. That's pretty good. :)

Wow I’m guessing the militaries of the world didn’t get the memo of peace on earth.

While I agree that Amillennialism has always been at best a red herring, at worst a contronym, I don't think making the distinguishing factor of the position 'optimism' is helpful. While I totally understand what you're getting at with Supramillennialism, that doesn't really fit the schema of naming the positions based on when they place the return of Christ temporally in relation to the Millennium. While that schema may not be the best, it's historically been the method for distinguishing the positions-in which case Amillennialism is really Post-millennialism. The problem with that though is that in at least one sense, Pre-millennialism and Post-millennialism are closer to one another than Amillennialism and Post-millennialism. While both Amillennialism and Post-millennialism place Christ's return after the Millennium, that's a much-less meaningful similarity than Pre- and Post-millennialism's holding to an earthly millennium (whereas Amillennialism holds to a Heavenly Millennium). If history weren't already written on this issue, I truly believe the Pre- and Post-millennial positions should have been grouped under the banner of 'earthly millennialism' while Amillennialism should have been grouped under the banner of 'heavenly (or spiritual) millennialism'. Would love to gauge your thoughts on that, and maybe even hear what you think Amillennialism should have been called had the schema for distinguishing the positions been the location/nature of the Millennial reign, not the timing of Christ's return in relation to the Millennium. Maybe something like Terra-millennialism versus Caelum-millennialism (or Super(um)-millennialism, Aether-millennialism, etc.)? Clearly not a Latin scholar, haha...

Supra ….

The problem with amill is it isnt exegetical, but theological. That is to say only an inconsistent hermeneutic can only produce this theological construct. Not to mention the overt replacement theology to steal David's kingdom from the Nation of Israel and give it the church. This is really a question of who is reading the Hebrew bible correctly.

@wessbess

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s wrong to say that Postmill or Amill are not exegetical they most certainly are. There are serious problems with dispensational premillennialism. All of them are exegetical, but it’s a matter of interpretation of the texts.

I may shy from the term “heresy” since we reserve that for those things which strike at the heart of the gospel, however, I would find myself largely in agreement with “Underground Publishing” Maybe some of this “rebranding” is coming from the pressure John MacArthur has brought to bear at His recent Shepard’s Conference and the release of his commentary on Zachariah? 😊 Seriously, all of us are “dispensationalist” to a degree. “Dispensationalism” however is heresy in that it attacks and changes the gospel. It’s also a terrible caricature of premillennialism. It is a shame the enemy has replaced the early church fathers with the likes of Van Impe, Baxter, and Hagee as the poster boys for premillennialism. We may need a rebranding ourselves 😂. Good video brother! Thank you for sharing.

Symbolic Millennialism

According to your description, every one of the hundred or so postmillennialists I know is an optimistic amillennialist. And, again using your own description, we would regard you as a fellow postmillennialist. I know of no living postmillennialist who believes the growth of the kingdom is either a steady upward progress, nor that there is a future subset of the church age.

@lindsaybarlow7946

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, but I’m still pretty new to the post-mil camp. Would love to hear a good debate between an a-mill and a post-mill guy. Know of any?

@j2kp0t

Жыл бұрын

@@lindsaybarlow7946 I'm not aware of any. I think we are all still at the moment focused on banding together against the far more dangerous and prominent (in the U.S. at least) eschatologies.

How can it be a millennium if it isn’t for 1000 years?

@Used777_07

10 ай бұрын

Does God own the cattle on only a thousand hills, and no more? Or is a thousand hills symbolic for all the hills on earth, which are too numerous to count? The 1000 years of Rev 20 are the numerous years between Christ's two Comings; no one has the exact figure, but God in heaven. Psalm 50:10 KJV For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

@yahrescues8993

10 ай бұрын

@@Used777_07 If it is symbolic in revelation, the question was, how can it be called “millenniumism” if what is believed to be millennium is not for 1000 years? It the term millennium itself being used by people symbolically to say a great amount of time?

@Used777_07

10 ай бұрын

@@yahrescues8993 My understanding is the term used by the Apostle was 1000 years, not millennium.

It is my conclusion after many years of study, that if there is such disagreement over all of these “isms” with each camp claiming that they are right and all the others are wrong, they must all be wrong to a certain degree. May I suggest that most eschatology built on the New Testament Scriptures WITHOUT understanding Old Testament imagery and prophetic language, leaves us with utter confusion. Almost every verse in Revelation has Old Testament reference. Also MOST of what Jesus said in the Olivet Discourse, has clear Old Testament imagery. Daniel, Isaiah, and many of the minor prophets are referred to. On top of this, the so called “literal” method of reading the Scripture by Dispensationalists is violated when it comes to the Olivet Discourse. Much hinges on their violation of the meaning of “this generation”. I therefore consider that the timing of Christs return is misunderstood largely because the NATURE of it is COMPLETELY ignored or misunderstood.

I like supra

Im confused by this based on Jesus's word that so many things were gonna have to happen before Christ will return. Jesus said we will be given all authority and even more abundantly than Him. We also know that the Holy Spirit dwells within us when we accept Jesus. But why is this discrediting Jesus's return to rein over the earth and judgment to be passed. He is to rein for 1000 yrs and then Satan will be released to come back? If we see things in the scripture that talk about the peace treaty, jews returning to isreal in droves, earthquakes in divers places, etc, why wouldnt we be pleased that Jesus is going to return soon. Why would we discount daniel, the gospels, johns vision in revelation etc. To me its a sugar coat approach to not instill fear. Im not fearful, but me knowing my job is to spread the good news in such a time is more limited. Just feels like false hope to me. Idk...no condemnation for sure. Im just trying to understand this. My parents believe in this and while their hearts are pure and just, im more worried they dont see what is coming because of this teaching.

@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181

2 ай бұрын

Please forgive me responding to this from 10 months ago . . . what you stated here, touched my heart !!! I believe you are so much closer to Christ than you even realize . . . & you have shown a greater wisdom of the heart! I pray with you for your parents & for you!!! Please, pray for me, as this also really confuses me & for me to be able to get across to my adult children as you wish to get across to your parents. God bless you, you very precious child of our living Lord!!!

One return not three returns

Someone has referred to it as "inaugurated millennialism" which I kind of like. How about "coronated millennialism?" Christ's coronation as King of kings has already taken place. The Great Commission will be successful because Christ will have the full reward for which He died. He will have his complete Bride. It cannot be otherwise. But if the world has to get better and better and become more Christianized before Christ returns, then we are in biiiig trouble!

A Millennium Puzzle to solve… Will Christ be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming? The “first resurrection” in Rev. chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation, because the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead in chapter 11. There are two different types of resurrection in John chapter 5. There is a spiritual resurrection from the dead in John 5:24, and a bodily resurrection from the dead in John 5:28-29. Does your view of the Millennium agree with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20. Does your view agree with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20. Does your view agree with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing? The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20. Does your view agree with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage? There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19. Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Does your view agree with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time? Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time. Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth. ============================================================================================================ Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation. Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time? Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.

@davidmudra

9 ай бұрын

A lot of good questions but nobody responds. Maybe there is no good response?

@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181

2 ай бұрын

@@davidmudra I hate commenting from several months ago . . . but I agree with your reply to a very detailed comment!!! Very clear & understandable answers . . . Thank you!!!

Amil ignores the first century events.

Realized millennialism

I think most people rely on their pastor to be right on this subject and many other subjects. They don’t spend enough time on their own to try and figure it out or research it! By researching the subject I don’t mean reading the Bible you have before you. Because the interpretation of the word goes centuries and every word as a meaning that is very crucial in figuring this out. Many words have been misinterpreted! What I say to people the two biggest lies are! 1 that there is no God 2 pretribulation Most of the church will not be ready for what is coming! The western world especially!

Kairomillenialists.

Why not just be called Christians. I sure am glad Jesus Christ: The Word of God on earth: The Express Image of The Living God said it simply as recorded by Matthew. "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24: 31 The Apostles and Prophets confirming this. "Gather my saints together unto me; Those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice." Psalm 50: 5 "For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me upon a rock." Psalm 27: 5 "He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me." Psalm 18: 19 "Then they that feared The LORD spake often one to another: and The LORD harkened, and heard it, and a book of rememberance was written before him for them that feared The LORD, and thought upon his name." "And they shall be mine, saith The LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." Malachi 3: 16, and 17 He alone is The Anchor of the soul. Amen. A Christian and a Desert Storm Vet, John

@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181

2 ай бұрын

Sorry to respond to a comment from 11 months ago! Thank you, for listing these specific scriptures . . . alot of scripture confusion could be avoided if more people would let the scripture speak for itself, instead of trying to explain what it said, to others. Therein lies the problem, personal interpretation & attempting to convince others to agree with your opinion. God bless you, John, my prayers are with you & your loved ones!

@johndavis6338

2 ай бұрын

@@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181 Thank you!

I like Rex-millennialism. 😁

Supermillenialism

Amill isn't in need of rebranding. It's in need of repentance. It's a heresy that came in from gnostics through Origen based on a mixture of platonic philosophy into Christianity. It's a well documented fact if anyone cares to look it up. The original church was entirely pre-millennial. So were the Jews before Christ if they held to any eschatology.

@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181

2 ай бұрын

AMEN!!! Finally a comment I can understand completely. (sorry, it's from 11 months ago) IF premillennial was WRONG - why did Satan do such a good job to bury it, destroy & remove documentation that taught it, (dark ages) even completely relocate a church & turn it into a powerhouse of corruption - the ultimate hypocrisy to worship the apostle (Peter) that they crucified & build their satanic temple of deception & greed right on top of his bones. THANK YOU!!!

Amill just needs to be thrown away because it isnt the truth