I’m a 48 year old Swedish woman, a mother of two teenage boys and a teacher, and I cannot tell you how much I appreciate watching two young, intelligent men listen and talk about real issues in the world. Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻!

@beninnes8669

4 ай бұрын

I like the guys in the video but to call them intelligent after listening and reacting to Stephen Fry is like comparing Albert Einstein to Graham Hancock. Well done for being a woman, Swedish a mother of at least two, do you have any daughters?

@beninnes8669

4 ай бұрын

alright, i jumped the gun a little. They did appreciate "The Fry" as much as I had hoped. Oh and by the way, I am a English man, a father of one daughter (12) ive raised her as a single father since she was 5, and I am an event manager

@JohnnySins___

4 ай бұрын

@@beninnes8669are you Schizophrenic? Having a full convo with yourself

@dwills2405

4 ай бұрын

omg

@beninnes8669

4 ай бұрын

I know that, its my drunken sense of humour, I am not single, my partner an I just do not live together@@rebeccat94

From one gay boy to another, I bloody love Stephen Fry. He’s restrained, yet acerbic, barbed, and considered in what he says. He’s a fantastic human. He’s a dude! 👊🏻

@FahadAyaz

4 ай бұрын

Is Jps the other gay lad or is it Stephen Fry? 😂

@livb6945

4 ай бұрын

He is a total dude

@AledPritchard

4 ай бұрын

@@FahadAyaz 😂 I’m on about me and Stephen Fry.. but you knew that really.

@FahadAyaz

4 ай бұрын

​@@AledPritchard"from one gay boy to another" I mean if you're the one then who's the other? 🤔 Lol

@FahadAyaz

4 ай бұрын

​@@livb6945Dudes can be gay 🤷‍♂️ Many of them are!

As Voltaire said, ‘Religion was invented when the first fool met the first scoundrel’.

@sopcannon

4 ай бұрын

Religion is the equivalent of bottled water.

@davelister2961

3 ай бұрын

Didn't he also say something like: 'the subjugation of mankind ends when the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest'? Something like that.

@esaedvik

2 ай бұрын

​@@sopcannon Where does polluted tap water land? and the corruption that lets it happen? That's where bottled water comes in clutch.

@takoja507

2 ай бұрын

Nope, religions and gods were first invented to explain natural phenomena, storms, rain, sun, night, drought etc. in time as we learned how nature works religions became something else and different, a tool for control and power.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” ― Epicurus

@emdivine

4 ай бұрын

I think adding the time he lived in makes it even more impactful: ~300 *BC*

@darrel7382

4 ай бұрын

​@emdivine yes it is. He said that before god was invented

@Thorium_Th

4 ай бұрын

@@darrel7382 The Mesha Stele bears the earliest certain extrabiblical reference to the Israelite god Yahweh in 840 BCE. And even before that people had many gods. It doesn't matter which one Epicurus addresses. Religion and gods are always bullshit.

@darrel7382

4 ай бұрын

@@Thorium_Th true 👍

@AnonEyeMouse

4 ай бұрын

​@@Thorium_ThNot all Gods are considered all powerful, all loving, all knowing etc. That only happens with monotheisms.

That's Ann Widdecombe, that look of sour bitterness is her normal expression

@garyt.8745

4 ай бұрын

Yep, looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp.

@Owlstretchingtime78

4 ай бұрын

That's right. No lemon sucking for Ms Widdicombe.

@williamagar7160

3 ай бұрын

She's certainly a very poor example of what Christianity is meant to be. No humility, no compassion, no love.

@221b-Maker-Street

3 ай бұрын

Indeed. That she should ever have been considered a 'representative of the people' is truly monstrous. 😒

@missfredd

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, she was a right wing MP in Britain. Famously very religious and a virgin. There is a rule of thumb, which is 'what does Ann Widdecombe think?' then you should probably draw the opposite conclusion. However, she's not all bad. When Widde was an MP, she did seem to take public service seriously. There was a huge MPs expenses scandal in Britain about 15 years ago and she came out of that very well. E.g. She claimed expenses for her mid-range hotel, but paid for her own dinner, while others, on both sides of the political spectrum, were literally claiming expenses to buy second homes. The two most notorious claims were both from her party though (Conservative Party) - Nadhim Zahawi claimed (*checks internet) £5,822.27 to HEAT HIS STABLES and, my personal favourite, Peter Viggers claimed £1,645 of UK taxpayers money, to build a 'FLOATING DUCK ISLAND'. An architectural triumph, modelled on the Stockholm museums 18th century buildings, but you know, for ducks.

The question of limbo for babies is based on the older idea that all babies who were not baptised before death went into limbo. Neither heaven or hell. Very distressing for bereaved parents.

@Damaaskrose

4 ай бұрын

This, JP

@carolmurphy7572

4 ай бұрын

Yes, according to the church beliefs I was taught in Catholic school prior to the year 2000, we are all born with "original sin", which is absolved when we are baptised. If a child dies before they are baptised, then their soul carries that sin and, without absolution, they may not enter the eternal kingdom of heaven. So many parents grieved for their lost children, who were never allowed into heaven and, therefore, the parents could never reunite with them in the afterlife. What a crock of shit!

@Woekkie

4 ай бұрын

As a footnote to the previous posters unbaptised children where not even burried in the graveyard aka hallowed ground.

@jonathanwetherell3609

4 ай бұрын

A concept invented by the church and held as truth for centurys. Dismissed with the stroke of a pen.

@guydalcq9203

4 ай бұрын

@@Damaaskrose One should add however that sincde 2007 the idea of 'limbs' is no longer part of the offical teaching of the Church. it is to be considered as an a quite stupid idea of the past as many otherecclesiastical ideas. Fortunately even the Catholic Chruch experiences its own evolution (cf; homsexuality, heliocentrism etc...)

The great Irish comedian Dave Allen told the best joke that sums it all up nicely. An atheist and the Pope are discussing religion. The Pope says to the atheist "You are like a blindfolded man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there". The atheist comes back with "You are the same, a blindfolded man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. The only difference is that you've found it"

@jackabalas

4 ай бұрын

Maith an buchaill

@dogwithwigwamz.7320

4 ай бұрын

Yet, here we all are !

@mats7492

4 ай бұрын

@@dogwithwigwamz.7320 whats that supposed to mean?

@dogwithwigwamz.7320

4 ай бұрын

@@mats7492 It`s supposed to mean that you exist and that I exist and so does everybody else. It follows that something must exist - unless you can come from nothing. If you can come from nothing then so can I and so can God....

@mats7492

4 ай бұрын

@@dogwithwigwamz.7320 well, i can prove my existence and where i come from (my parents). thousands of years of human civilisation, still zero proof of a god

It is so refreshing to witness two young men with such open minds and common sense intellect. Keep it up guys.

Stephen Fry is the definition of an eloquent orator. Also, he’s irreverent and hilarious 🌈🏳️‍🌈

@Medusa13579

2 ай бұрын

Perfectly said. I couldn't have said it better myself. No; I really couldn't! He is as you say, very eloquent. He's very clever and funny too. I love him 😊

In the words of Dara O'Briain - "If science thought it knew everything, it'd stop." When someone claims to have all the answers, the search for further answers ceases - a common problem with all the most narrow-minded people.

@brigidsingleton1596

4 ай бұрын

Dara *O'Briain*

@alexandermillman242

4 ай бұрын

Thank you - I can never remember the spelling

@brigidsingleton1596

4 ай бұрын

@@alexandermillman242 I got it right - then wrong - then checked it - then right again so don't worry about it !! 🤔🧡🇮🇪😏🖖

@lauramartin7675

4 ай бұрын

It amazes me how many people refuse to accept unanswerable questions, like they try so hard to give an answer to everything (even without true proof or fact). It's okay to say/hear "I/we don't know"

This guy is one of our national treasures ! He can swing from pure silly comedy like 'Blackadder' and then hold his own with intellectuals of many persuasions = A perfect example of 'A font of knowledge '

@celsus7979

4 ай бұрын

The flanders pigeon murderer!!! One of the best Fry and Blackadder moments!

@georgeprout42

4 ай бұрын

I would have agreed until the point he spoke very knowingly about a subject I know extremely well (on QI). He got the basics wrong and then just kept digging. Since then, I have taken a spoonful of salt with what he says on subjects I'm not so knowledgeable about.

@gemronan303

4 ай бұрын

@@celsus7979hello darling (Darling twitching eye)

@Strict666

4 ай бұрын

@@georgeprout42 Which subject was this? And was this before they found something new out? (Considering "The moon" episodes =)

@jensvonbrasch1466

3 ай бұрын

I love listening to you guys and I love your program. Your program on political correctness was brilliant. Stephen Fry is a World Treasure to say nothing of being a national treasure, he’s been outstanding for years. I just love how you guys engage with these issues and with class acts like Stephen Fry. It just keeps me coming back to your channel and I’m never disappointed. I’m from Australia and 76.🤗

Stephen Fry is just such an incredibly intelligent, well-educated and articulate person. But he is also passionate and compassionate. And he has the courage to stand up, with well-deserved indignation, and rail against the institutions which have enormous sway and which also do enormous harm. Well done.

Widdecombe's position during this debate was one of sanctimonious superiority. She positively oozed arrogance and dismissal of any viewpoint other than her own. It was also noticeable that she was less able to engage with the opposing view of the Church, whilst the Bishop was very much aware of the uphill struggle he faced.

@artful1967

4 ай бұрын

widdecombe is a vile individual who does not in any way represent a Christian attitude.

@katashworth41

4 ай бұрын

She is a vile person. I don’t like to use that phrase but I cannot stand her.

@dogwithwigwamz.7320

2 ай бұрын

She also demonstrates a similar `superiority` in her argument for the cessation of the UK from the EU. But she`s not going to suffer by the UK leaving the EU.

Mr fry to us is almost a institution himself, a guy many turn to for honest and eloquent answers to so many things , a true British legend

@peterobinson3678

4 ай бұрын

Almost...? 🤔

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, "Storm".

Limbo, in Catholic theology, was believed to be the border place between heaven and hell where those souls who died without being baptised, though not condemned to punishment, were deprived of eternal happiness with God in heaven. And sadly if I am not mistaken, its something the Church came with around the 13th century... And for all his time the doctrine was that an infant even if without sin dies before being baptised will go to Limbo (for all eternity). Stephen Fry is such a pleasure and a privilege to listen to...

@adrianhempfing2042

4 ай бұрын

13:20 the concept of original sin and not being baptised yet. So if a baby dies at birth stillborn or soon thereafter SIDS sudden infant death syndrome , then the baby doesn't go to heaven :-( Never mind that is probably the Most Traumatic event in a mother's (and fathers) life. When the parents need comfort and consoling the most. Knowing their child is safe in heaven with other deceased relatives would be at least some comfort

@jennberk7340

4 ай бұрын

Part of it too was the paying of indulgences. The Church exploited the fear of the loved ones of unbaptised people (specifically infants) by selling them "penances". The payments-from people who were often poor-were to absolve a past sin, or to have their baby or loved one released from purgatory/limbo. But it wasn't a one-time payment. They could go on for years and years.

"That´s not nice"! The most accurate and understated description of an official stance by a church - any church! Carries far more weight of approbation than any swearing, cursing rant could ever do.

If there is 1 person you dont want to get in to an argument with is Stephen Fry

@ichbinbluna3504

4 ай бұрын

and Richard Dawkins, who wrote the world bestseller "The God Delusion".

@DocPortland

3 ай бұрын

I would also add Jordan Peterson as well.

Stephen Fry, one of our national treasures ❤❤❤

@frglee

4 ай бұрын

As was Oscar Wilde 130 years back (Who Fry has depicted on film and he feels more than a little rapport with). However, at the peak of his fame, Wilde was disgraced and imprisoned, sentenced to hard labour and died within a few years of his release in 1897, from injuries sustained in prison, separated from his family, in poverty in France. For many decades afterward his brilliant books and plays were not published or performed and his reputation was in tatters, scapegoated and his name was used as an object for public hate and derision right up until modern times in Britain. Wilde is buried at Père Lachaise cemetary in Paris, many visit it almost as a pilgrimage to one of our brightest and wittiest men. I found reading the inscription (and graffiti) on the beautiful tomb to be a very emotional experience. One French commentator at the time of his death said something like 'In France we revere our great writers. In Britain they put them in prison'.

@dianasims1381

4 ай бұрын

He really is,,,🌸🇬🇧

@MattyEngland

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, in the same way Phillip Schofield is.

@brigidsingleton1596

4 ай бұрын

​@@MattyEngland I take it you're being facetious?

@MattyEngland

4 ай бұрын

@@brigidsingleton1596 He's a rich and privileged 70 year old man, who likes dating 18 Yr old boys!

"they want a reaction so bad" you kids are ok, you ask the right questions and you walk out of the right conflicts. The future looks bright

Anne Widdicombe (the white woman) used to be an MP (Member of Parliament), and her track record is horrendous. She's against sex education, same sex relationships, teaching girls about their bodies and the changes they'll go through, gay marriage, migration (legal or not). Her and Stephen have been at loggerheads a few times.

@brigidsingleton1596

4 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention Ann Widdecombe is a Tory, and an "old-fashioned Catholic" too... Which is bad enough but her stance on anything is as you correctly said, is horrendous, old-fashioned...just inconceivably unkind and unfair... Just unforgivably _unjust_.

@AlexEl312

4 ай бұрын

such an evil old crone i stg she’s a disgrace to this country

@ichbinbluna3504

4 ай бұрын

She is often up to mischief on GBNews, the right-wing, Pro-Brexit TV channel in the UK.

@lilmoyinyang5812

4 ай бұрын

She sounds pretty based

@brigidsingleton1596

4 ай бұрын

@@lilmoyinyang5812 Did you mean... 'biased' ? 🤔🧡🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🖖

These 2 saw Anne Widecombe for a few seconds and basically summed her up perfectly 😂

@221b-Maker-Street

3 ай бұрын

If only her constituency had been so perceptive...

Hey Joel, that whole debate with Fry and Hitchens on the Catholic Church is worth watching. At 2 hours, it’s not a good candidate for a reaction video unless severely cut, but just to see the amazing arguments on both sides develop and then ultimately conclude is inspiring, both intellectually and morally. It’s 2 hours of your life very well spent. Nothing wrong with filming a reaction then seeing if you can edit it down to something watchable. If not, you’ll still gain the enlightenment from watching the debate in its entirety.

@BillySugger1965

5 ай бұрын

For Arturo, limbo in Catholic doctrine is a place on the edge of Hell where the souls of babies who die before being baptised go, for eternity. An unspeakably cruel and manipulative device designed to scare parents into baptising their infant children into the Church at the earliest opportunity, on pain of eternal torture for the most innocent of souls. Of course it only works on parents who have themselves been indoctrinated into these evil myths in the first place.

@donkfail1

5 ай бұрын

Even though I'm on the other side, I almost felt sorry for those arguing that the church was a force for good. It was at the level of "Stop hitting them, they are already dead."

@RenaissanceEarCandy

5 ай бұрын

Good call!

@stephenlee5929

4 ай бұрын

@@donkfail1 At the end there were still 34 undecided and 268 who still think its a force for good. Don't stop hitting. It is a terrible corrupt organisation.

@donkfail1

4 ай бұрын

@@stephenlee5929 Sure, but a lot of them were grownups who had been Catholics for life. It's impressive to just make a few of those think "Maybe I've been wrong all this time." with just a couple of speeches. But I agree. We shouldn't stop until everyone starts thinking for themselves.

The woman on the panel in Ann Widdecombe. She is a former Conservative MP and now a member of Brexit Party. She loves to talk through other people's speech while she cannot bear to be interrupted. She's barking mad.

@cuedotfilms4427

5 ай бұрын

Yes, I was going to explain who Ann Widdecombe is, but you have said it perfectly. 👍

Stephen is now the Host Of Jeopardy in the UK and is killing it he's just so lovely with the Contestants!

@JamesLMason

5 ай бұрын

I've been enjoying it. It's certainly at a more relaxed pace but he seems invested.

@MattyEngland

4 ай бұрын

He's probably hoping to groom their grandsons

Stephen Fry is my favourite Englishman, a gentleman and a scholar

I have watched that entire debate, including the presentations by both sides. The late Mr. Hitchens and Stephen Fry spoke after the proponents for the Roman Catholics Church and were so obviously prepared to dismiss the sanctimonious bullshit they had presented. Good on them! For the intelligent but funny side of Stephen Fry, I recommend you check out the long-running British panel show, "QI". Lots of science and historical facts, and hysterical laughter! Cheers!

@Teeb2023

4 ай бұрын

Excellent recommendation - QI with Fry as host, and a great list of guests.

@Dr.Ian-Plect

4 ай бұрын

Christopher Hitchens was not a Dr., he didn't have a doctorate. If you thought so on the basis of him being a visiting professor, many institutions will accept an undergraduate degree, as Hitch had.

@carolmurphy7572

4 ай бұрын

@Dr.Ian-Plect Thank you for your polite comment; many would not have been so kind! I will correct my error immediately.

@Dr.Ian-Plect

4 ай бұрын

@@carolmurphy7572 No problem, just stick an s on Hitchen and I won't hunt you down!

@carolmurphy7572

4 ай бұрын

@@Dr.Ian-Plect Oh dear! I'll do that immediately after I wipe the egg from my face. Haha! Thanks again!

The woman on the panel is Ann Widercombe, who used to be a Conservative MP (Member of Parliament) and held positions in the Conservative Party cabinet for many years. She’s holds very right-wing views, had continually voted against LGBT rights (including equal age of consent, same-sex marriage - and she supported Section 28) and is against the rights for a woman to choose to have an abortion. A delightful woman! (Yes, I’m being sarcastic)

@YeOldeLord

4 ай бұрын

Shes also a self confessed virgin who believes in celibacy, why she looked so pissed when Fry was talking shit about it

@hiramabiff2017

4 ай бұрын

" very right wing views " lol you mean she holds standard conservative views and your failings as a citizen cannot handle anything in life without having to label it because you have not the guts to be honest with yourself. The are many like you.

@MihaiRoman.

4 ай бұрын

Great women 😁👍 Hope your not sarcastic

@hiramabiff2017

4 ай бұрын

A woman of great intelligence whose scorned & broken heart had her dedicate a life for god and her country. I have not the moral right to be sarcastic. No one has. And to see lesser people make fun of her because of her looks and not her brain, really irked me. @@MihaiRoman.

@nektekket852

4 ай бұрын

I'm not at all concerned with her looks, however I find her views repulsive in the extreme, whatever her qualifications.

Stephen Fry is awsome. Hes super clever, very articulate and sound. Love him.

Apart from everything else, his use of English is amazing as well. I will always be grateful to my English teacher who pointed him out to me. I instantly fell in love with everything he did and said. He's witty, clever, funny, intelligent, kind.. anything you could wish for.

Arturo nailed it! Anne Widdicombe IS super close minded 😂

Stephen is an international treasure. A good egg.

FUN FACT - Anne Widdecombe's brother Maclom Widdecombe was a Priest, he was vehemently opposed to women becoming priests and worked with a vicar who was approved by a bishop to have a sex change.

@nickimorley536

3 ай бұрын

I totally agree with Fry a Church of England sent to Catholic School, who asked questions and said what i thought and was banned from Religious classes for my school life. How can a compassionate god kill children, cause such suffering, cause cruelty

Watching the two of you responding and discussing this in a mature and reasonable way gives me hope for the future. Well done lads you did an amazing job.

Stephen Fry is known all across Europe for his books, documentaries, comedy and movies. I guess in the USA he might be known for his role in V for Vendetta. I will always be grateful for his brilliant and honest documentary about bipolarity. (Secret life of the manic depressive) Obviously his debates with many famous atheist like his friend Hitchens are incredibly enjoyable and informative.

The most concise and humane religious teaching I've ever encountered, comes from Bill and Ted... "Be Excellent to each other". That's all there is to it, really.

@veilbreak5867

4 ай бұрын

Yes, and they were just paraphrasing Jesus, who said it first in Matt 22.39

@garlichr

4 ай бұрын

​5867 The only difference being that Bill and Ted definitely exist, and they are not just a fairytale.

@veilbreak5867

4 ай бұрын

@@garlichr Amazing how you elevate a Hollywood film over the oldest collection of books in the world, that, as well as other texts give us Jesus Christ....cos interestingly, it's Jesus that is triggering to people, not the bible.

@lillia5333

2 ай бұрын

It's not the oldest collection of books in the world. Educate yourself.

Loved your reaction. Stephen Fry is amazing, intelligent and is so articulate.

I love how each point causes half the audience to applaud and the other half to fold their arms! LOL

@ichbinbluna3504

4 ай бұрын

As the result of the vote shows, it is not half, but only a few have folded their arms.

I detest religious fundamentalists whether christian, muslim, hindu etc etc. No one religion has the right to dictate their theology onto people. No one religion is the "only" one or the "right" one. Stephen Fry is a lovely human being.

@stephenlee5929

4 ай бұрын

Generally, they all claim to be the only true religion, so if any is correct the others can not be.

@chrismachin2166

4 ай бұрын

“No one religion has the right to dictate their theology onto people.No one religion is the “only”one or the right one.” You are making a truth claim that dictates your theology,why have you the right to make the claim while the Christian cannot claim there is only one true faith?

"It isn't nice." Was the simple truth of it.

13:22 Steven talked about "Limbo" & the church teaching that unbaptized babies & children burn in hell for ever. That was "LImbo of the Infants" or in other words complete morally bankrupt bullshit.

@christinemarshall1366

4 ай бұрын

Limbo is a place between Heaven and Hell but still an abomination.

The “limbo” reference is about the fact that doctrine states that if a child passed away before it is baptised or christened it’s soul will forever remain in limbo and never be allowed into the gates of heaven. So this can destroy a follower of the religion if their child died during childbirth or at the hospital or in a car accident I. The way to the church to partake in the ceremony. To put believers through that is unforgivable.

There was a movie a few years back which was a (not that good) biopic of Oscar Wilde. Stephen Fry was cast in the lead role, and it was an inspired choice. Fry's wit, humour, and devastating ability to speak about just about any subject makes his as near a modern equivalent of Wilde as you're likely to get. He's hilarious when doing comedy, and thoroughly thought-provoking when he's being serious.

I’m a scientist who used to be so deep in religion that I was a preacher (not an ordained minister, admittedly) and did missionary work. I know both sides of this coin quite well. Stephen Fry is brilliant and effectively spot on about everything.

9:08 I remember religious zealots at the London Pride Parade reading out Bible verses like let us have one day to ourselves. God forbid we celebrate something.

@PaulO-se6nl

4 ай бұрын

I bet they didn’t mention not wearing mixed cloth in the same verse either. Or selling your daughter to be a sex slave? No just what suits

You two guys are a breath of fresh air. I was raised in the church (protestant not catholic). I met some wonderful people but I met a lot more people who were total hypocrites. I have no doubt that there are some wonderful people who do their best to live a christian life .but there are far too many who aren't prepared to own their failings. Quite a few years ago there was a big community campaign where the buzz phrase was "not perfect, just forgiven". So many seemed to use that as an excuse for not even trying. Please keep up the great work guys. Thank you.

Thankyou Stephen fry for being unapologetic in your calm and factual contribution to changing the world .. I aspire to be like you and continue to believe in a moral compass and speak passionately of it. I hope that I can inspire our future generations as you do …..❤

No words to describe admiration I have for Stephen Fry. So intelligent and such a thoroughly decent human being. Also helps that I agree with everything he says! 😊 As for Ann widdecombe. Can only say...typical Tory!

@brigidsingleton1596

4 ай бұрын

plus.. Ann Widdecombe .. a typical old-fashioned Catholic Tory...😠😡

@MattyEngland

4 ай бұрын

You sound like one of those people who still don't get it that all political parties are the same people behind the scenes. You've never lived in a democracy your entire life, just the illusion of one 🙄 Please wake up.

That was a brilliant video JPS. You young guys give me hope for the future. Your future. Just bloody brilliant. Take care both of you. Steve. UK.

Joel ,there was a vote taken among the public a few years ago asking people who they would most like to invite to dinner and Stephen Fry came out head and shoulders above any other person 🇬🇧

So refreshing to hear you too speaking so logically and openly about this topic. Loved it

So hard to watch I was bullied and then as an adult abused and beaten in the 90s and 00s its so sad to watch. I have to admit he is much more intelligent than I am but he is a clear winner with this speech.

Great reaction guys!👍🏼 Top draw!!!

The whole discussion - Whittecombe and Bishop Onaiyekan vs Fry and Hitchens - is just a fascinating watch. Although it wasn't really a discussion... the Bishop and Ann got absolutely eviscerated by the powerhouse that was the Fry-Hitchens teamup.

I always loved the phrase, it’s better to have questions you can’t answer than answers you can’t question

@Medusa13579

2 ай бұрын

LOVE that. I've never heard it before ! 😊

Joel - you should listen to the Pope song by Tim Minchin.....

@BillySugger1965

5 ай бұрын

Word…

@Rectal_Scattergun

4 ай бұрын

And 'The Good Book'

Good on you both. I thoughoughly enjoyed watching you two young men broaching a subject such as this. Academic, balanced debate is so necessary. Keep those young minds open, be true too yourself and enjoy your journey. 🌻

@mkrmkr3805

4 ай бұрын

No problem. We can do that. 👍

Great video, Stephen Fry is a blessing to the world, a pleasure to spend time in his company, and both of yours.

Loved your comments, you are both enlightened and thoughtful. Thank you

Hello Joel and pal. Keep those minds open. I could not help but think of the origins of "The Troubles". When hate takes over you end up with situations like having to check deliveries and under the car for bombs, like when I was a kid in UK, because of my dad's job.

The baby thing at 13:05: parents were told for eons that if their baby died before being baptized that their soul would neither go to heaven or hell, the soul would stay in limbo. Which was of course distressing for the religious faithful parents. Funnily enough parents could buy eternal peace for those baby souls. If they’d cash up the priest could make it so that the soul would be saved from limbo. Which is an especially cruel cash grab when you think about the infant mortality rate in the olden times when babies would regularly die shortly after being born.

I'm excited that you boys question. I love that you embrace free thinking.

Thanks guys. Great to see you both reacting.

Your admission ‘I don’t know …….’ is an honest reaction and a healthy one when dealing with such complex subjects: keep being true to yourself in this way until you find an answer that satisfies you - but always be open to revision and change.

Always a delight to listen to Stephen Fry, I thoroughly enjoy his intellect. It is also a delight to see you two young men actively involved . Keep up the good work JP. I have been dropping in on you for some time now and am so pleased you are looking at this.

America needs more people like these young men, all is not lost for America with young people like this.

Love Stephen Fry in everything he does and says ❤❤🇬🇧🇬🇧

Listening to these young people, our future suddenly feels a little better again.

One of the philosophical razors I subscribe to is Hitchings Razor - That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. The other one I most follow is Occam’s Razor - The solution that requires the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct.

Thank you, what an absolute gem: both S. Fry's acerbic brilliance and your thoughtful reflections. If/when you meet someone questioning the value of intelligent debate, voting, etc., show them the before and after at 25:00.

Fairdos, Joel and Arturo, you both have very good attitudes, you’ll go far in life. You’ll always have your attitudes and extend upon them, just keep up the studies.

Glad to see you back reacting to the wonderful Stephen Fry. Yes you are right, in the UK he's is a certified national treasure ❤

You guys are a cool duo. I love your conversations and the respect you have

Thank you. Excellent reaction video.

This is what maxed-out Charisma looks like on someone with a soul.

Bill Hicks has some great bits on God, his "trickster god" line being particularly enjoyable.

JP sounds like a chill and thoughtfull guy. I enjoy your videos with him in them.

Good stuff guys. Keep learning, thinking and laughing. It’s a crazy planet

Something I enjoyed with Steven Fry, was a 6 part series where he toured America. Surprisingly, its title is 'Stephen Fry in America' available here on YT. They're 1 hour episodes so, perhaps not reaction worthy for you, but a great watch! Check out at least one. 😁

Impressed by your knowledge, understanding and opinions but even more by your clarity in expressing your views. Haircut isn't bad either 😁

Excellent video man ❤from 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

It was a pleasure watching you young men discuss those topics. Stephen Fry is a gem and I truly think he is too smart for this world.

Well done you guys. Too bad Hitchens is gone but fortunately we still have Fry!! I'm surprised with the revelations from Hubble and JWST that cosmology isn't playing a larger role in the overall discussion. Good choice Joel and Arturo! John

Great guys! Very healthy for me to encounter [US] Americans that aren't stupid or closeminded. Good to remember that. You're young [I'm 68] but one thing is important: keep learning with an open mind. And you sure are on the right track.

Stephen Fry is a highly educated man. Extremely intelligent and a brilliant orator

There is a full version of that video on KZread, also Hitchins is amazing, if not even more than Fry.

If you disagree with Stephen Fry, look in the mirror, at best you will see ignorance, at worst, you will see evil.

@alanshepherd4304

5 ай бұрын

gtaylor331 Typical rhetoric from an intolerant religious zealot!!!😡😡🇬🇧

@veilbreak5867

5 ай бұрын

We're stupid and evil....if we don't agree with the tv personality Stephen fry? 😅

@Sion67Productions

4 ай бұрын

I am an Anglican not a Catholic, and I don't see evil or arrogance when I look in the mirror but I don't claim to know everything

@leonardmontague6958

4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately another uneducated Fool

@nektekket852

4 ай бұрын

Speaking as a lifelong atheist, I must disagree, and I'd wager Stephen would too...

6:28 There’s a movie called ‘Spotlight’. That’s all I’m going to say.

@m.gattus-reinhart845

4 ай бұрын

Spotlight just barely scratches the surface. To date there are hundreds of thousands of survivors of such vile acts committed by clergy of the Roman Catholic Church worldwide. If you take the French independent report for example, it found 330,000 throughout the course of 70 years or 1 every 1hr 51 mins everyday for 25,550 days. In the United States, only a handful of States have done their own independent investigations. Personally knowing what I know, those reports shouldn't be just concerning one religious organization over that of another but all of them.

Thank you for sharing. Never knew this guy and now i want to know him more 😊

The bag over the head analogy is epic, well played.

Science by definition is a work in progress.

@WolvesHart79

4 ай бұрын

...and religion by definition is the absolute "word" that claims to have all the answers. It is so funny when theists use "scientism" as if it is a dogmatic prescription. They are so indoctrinated into their own dogma they try to frame everything in the same framing rather than understanding that science is just a method and the goal is to contradict established findings to expand our knowledge.

@ngatiarihi8502

3 ай бұрын

I think that’s more a rebuke to modern in house , hype or corporate, less independent science@@WolvesHart79

"It's just a theory," No! Stop that! In a scientific context, theory doesn't mean "guess." A theory doesn't graduate to a law when it's proven. A theory is better than a law in the scientific context. Laws describe what happens. Theories explain why it happens. The strength of a theory is based on how much evidence supports it. If there's any credible, replicatable evidence against it, then it's been disproven, and a new theory is made to make sense of the new information. Also, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If you're the only person in the world who can reliably replicate your findings, then you haven't proven or disproven anything. Other scientists have to be able to replicate the experiment with the same results for scientists to even grudgingly accept your new information.

best so far excellent content guys great attitude and knowledge you guys are really on it. im Al live in Rochester Kent England. Peace

I'm so glad to see you young guys reacting to this in such a logical, reasoning way - I lost my 21 year old daughter to ovarian cancer two years ago and Stephen Fry's statement about god giving children bone cancer really resonates with me. Religion, and their god, are evil.

Joel , you prob. know but Stephen Fry is also an actor and was great / very funny in " Black Adder " just so funny.

There's an old quote I heard (don't remember by who), "Science deals with questions that may never be answered. Religion deals with answers that may never be questioned".

great video lads, both smart fella's keep it up

i'm a 65 yr old welshman and Petra has said everything that i was about to say, so keep up the good work ,you and your friends seem to be tuned in to life. there are a few American reacts type things but you are my favourite

I respectfully disagree with Arturo's statement to the effect that religion can be good in that it teaches good moral principles. No taught principles can be “good” unless they spring from a rational analysis of what is morally “good”, no religious motivation can ever be rational, and therefore ever give rise to “good” principles.

@adrianhempfing2042

4 ай бұрын

There are some basic goods from the 10 commandments - not killing for example . And Jesus saying treat others well. However, those can be taught without organised religion if a person/ community respects those basic morals

@stephenlee5929

4 ай бұрын

I think you might need to define 'good' for the purpose of any discussion, are we talking about your good, my good, the good of my community (village, town, city, country, planet)? Maybe the good of our species?

@allenwilliams1306

4 ай бұрын

@@stephenlee5929 That is precisely my point: each individual has to decide, rationally, for themselves, what is “good” and what isn't, and that (in my view) precludes any absolute rules laid down by any authority, including a religious one. This may vary according to the particular circumstances that prevail in each case.

@allenwilliams1306

4 ай бұрын

@@adrianhempfing2042 “Thou shalt not kill” is certainly not a universally “good” or “moral” rule. It is a very good example of why absolute moral rules are wrong. Similarly, “treating others well” is no more than a good rule of thumb. There is no morality in treating others well when they don't treat you well.

@stephenlee5929

4 ай бұрын

@@allenwilliams1306 So you understand or decide your own morality without any reference to any local or other human (or otherwise) norms? You learn nothing from others? A concept, but not one I wish to embrace.

Nice haircut, Joel!

@ItsJps

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! 😃