This YT vid might help - 'Why does London have 32 boroughs?' by Jay Foreman

@sharonealleyne9839

Ай бұрын

Was just about to say you need to watch Map Men with Jay Foreman!!

Jay Foreman explained the concept in a much more entertaining way in these two videos from his Unfinished London series. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpWZpJZvipfMmtY.htmlsi=NJ25QBp5d01vIV2z kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYiTkqiSeNGWeZM.htmlsi=7sWneS79SHV4U0e4

We're not rabbits Ryan. 😊

London is almost twice the size of New York so it’s not surprising that it has more boroughs, although 6 times the amount is a bit crazy until you realise it’s about historical areas for the most part.

Ryan, your pronunciation of Borough is the place where rabbits live !

@rikstar06

Ай бұрын

Even after hearing the guy in the video say it correctly , he kept pronouncing the word wrong.

@weedle30

Ай бұрын

….and it’s just so making me shout “Burra …..Burra……. For gawds sake, you’ve heard how it said it, its said as BURRRRRAAAAAAA” repeatedly at him through my screen! 😩😩😩

@nedludd7622

Ай бұрын

Even worse he persists in pronouncing "often" with a strong "t". That is nonsense that has only arrived with KZread. Younger Americans seem to think that it makes them sound more educated and intelligent, erudite in a word. But it gives exactly opposite impression.

@herrbonk3635

Ай бұрын

@@nedludd7622 So what is the correct way to say it then? "offen"? or "offtn"?

@brigidsingleton1596

Ай бұрын

For F🦆's Sake, Ryan... Your ability to remember even a single word is worse than Tyler's...which most of us would think impossible!! But, no!! 😮🤔😠😡 Borough is pronounced _BURRUH_ ... Jesus H. Flipping Chriiiiiiist ?!!! 😢

Hi Ryan @3:26 you said that you assume they also have their own school system. But generally, schooling legislation and curriculum are set nationally. Boroughs can decide to open a new school or close an under subscribed school. But the actual educational curriculum is handled by the national government. The aim is to have consistency of good quality education across the whole country. It is monitored by Ofsted (the office for standards in education) who inspect the school regularly. They assess the quality of the education, behaviour and attitudes of staff and pupils, the personal development of the students and the leadership and management of the staff. The OFSTED rating is quite a big deal for the school community. And is often used by prospective parents to choose which school to send their child to.

The country has counties. They're largely historical. I live in Essex, and going outwards we have Suffolk and Norfolk and Hertfordshire and Cambridgeshire. You'll have heard of Yorkshire and Cumbria and Nottinghamshire, Cornwall and Devon and Dorset. But if you go inwards, Essex bumps into London, which isn't in any county but is its own area, Greater London. And Greater London is divided into administrative districts called Boroughs. I was born in Kingston-upon-Thames, grew up in Richmond, moved to Hounslow, worked in Havering. Last night I was at the theatre in the borough of the City of Westminster. Yes, they do have their own school systems, though heavily integrated into the national system. To add to the mix, counties are divided into districts too, called Councils. I live in Essex, but in the City of Chelmsford, and it's to Chelmsford that I pay my Council Tax. But just a few miles away, people will pay their Council Tax to Braintree, or Brentwood, or Maldon, or Colchester, and many more. And the Councils are divided into Parishes. We have so many layers of local government.

It’s burra 😁

I would have gone with Map men; they describe boroughs too, but in a much more entertaining format and often amusing.

Live in Hackney, work in Lambeth - love Borough Market

So Borough-Borough is an island in South Pacific near Tahiti. 🤣

@Jeni10

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂🇦🇺

Hahaa - not 'Burrows' - we're not rabbits! In the UK it's pronounced 'Burruh'. (I see you did learn this from the video, but it does grate to hear 'burrow'!) The guy is very informative- but he did make one noticeable error. The City of London and Westminster are NOT the same thing - they used to be entirely separate entities, with fields in between. 'Borough' was the settlement that grew up on the South side of London Bridge, whereas the City of London was to the North of the river. There are now 32 separate Boroughs within Greater London. MapMen do some great videos on London Boroughs.

@Calomut

18 күн бұрын

especially when this guy said "I think it was" " I think they did", cmon! Are you a teacher!? (Cause he said hello students).

I like how he pronounces his "yeah" always like a German "ja".

@vtbn53

Ай бұрын

Why? Are you German?

Boroughs are basically subdivisions of counties, though not all counties are subdivided into boroughs (those that aren't are called 'unitary'). Those types of authorities are increasing due to Government wanting to streamline costs, but traditionally there would be a borough council for the district (borough), which was subordinate to the county council for the whole county.

after he mentioned 'burg' I feel like it comes from the french word 'bourg' which is a small city / village or area. But it's an old french word and could actually come from Germany instead

In New York the boroughs are the Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, and Staten Island. Each borough is coextensive with a respective county of the State of New York. Peace out.

@vtbn53

Ай бұрын

Peace off!

There are 2 types of County. Traditional counties such as Lancashire or Middlesex and modern administration areas such as Greater London or Greater Manchester. Manchester the City is in Lancashire the county but is also within the Greater Manchester administration area. London doesn't exist. There is The City of London and Greater London. Which are different. Some parts of Greater London (the administration area) are in different counties such as Middlesex or Essex. A London Borough, like most other boroughs, has locally elected councilors who are responsible for local planning, licensing, roads, libraries, parks etc. Council tax, paid on the value of your home, goes to the council for local services. As with many things in an old country, the boundaries between levels of organisation and governance overlap and can be confusing for natives as well!

Boroughs are essentially towns or town areas. Often they were villages once separated by farmlands, but they have become swallowed up by the expansion of London. Towns in the UK are classed as Boroughs, with their own local administrations, usually termed Town Council, or Borough. The Borough divisions in New York are a recent artificial invention to divide the City into manageable areas. The varied sizes in London is based on the original town or village lands belonging to each, though some modern boroughs boundaries have been changed. The word is related to 'Burg', a Germanic term for a hill. This came to mean a fortified, defendable hill, then a hill town, then any town or defended place. Already in late Roman times there were places within the Roman Empire called Burgh & similar words, which were essentially small military stations, or Castles. In Anglo-Saxon England there were 2 terms for defended towns. The first was Chester, from Roman Castra, which was applied only to towns/cities of Roman date. The other was Burh, used of newer fortified & defensive settlements, particularly those set up by King Alfred & his successors during the wars against the Danes in England during the 9th century. Then there were the 5 Boroughs held by the Danes themselves in the midlands of England during the same era. This all led to the term 'Borough' used for a town in the Medieval period, with a variety of spellings.

I’m from Wandsworth, a borough in South West London

Didn't Ryan say he was from New York? How does he not know what a borough is?

The City of London and the City of Westminster are separate districts within the bounds of the County of Greater London.

well in Australia is councils then cities, states and country or the other way around

Some boroughs may have a few small towns and villages in them for example Crewe and Nantwich which includes many of the villages around them. A collection of boroughs are then combined into counties in this case cheshire which has a council to with wider powers. Sometimes there are smaller divisions like civil parishes

Districts can be subdivided into civil parishes, also with their own council, but very limited powers.

It’s pronounced ‘Burra’ here. I’m from the second borough he mentioned, Wandsworth. Which has the lowest council tax in the whole of the UK.

Actually it's CITY of Westminster 🎩

Just a quick point it's bur ugh.

In the UK the big conurbations are usually split up into Boroughs and the usual size of a borough is about 250,000 to 300,000 people which is considered about right for dealing with local issues. So London has 32 Boroughs, Gt Manchester has 10.Above that there is the City-wide government with a Mayor and Council for the whole city or conurbation

He pretty much described that perfectly. Every County is divided into boroughs (or districts, which are basically the same thing). Essex is divided into 14 boroughs, including my home city of Southend-on-Sea that’s also a borough.

All the large towns in a county have their own councils (town or municipal councils in the US, borough councils in the UK), with a county council acting like a "federal government" across all the towns. At one time, London was a medium-sized city surrounded by towns, each with its own council. Over time, they grew together, and when a metropolitan London council was created, it became similar to a county council and the former borough councils were retained, even though the towns were no longer separate. London was restructured into Greater London in the mid-1960s, and the boroughs were redefined and streamlined (it was at that time that my old home town of Barnet became part of London and amalgamated with several of its neighbours to become the Borough of Barnet. Another way the US handles the situation is to do what Los Angeles did. L.A. is a collection of cities: LA, Pasadena, Burbank, Long Beach, Santa Monica, etc - they all act very much like boroughs.

Notice that the states with boroughs are all eastern ones. In Pennsylvania, there are 956 boroughs. Unlike London or NYC, these are not parts of cities. They have their own mayors and councils. For instance, Millvale, Wilkinsburg, Dormont, McKees Rocks, and Bellevue are boroughs adjacent to Pittsburgh with their own mayors and councils that have nothing to do with the Pittsburgh mayor and council. They are often rather small and densely populated. For instance, Bellevue is informally one of the North Boroughs, which are 5 boroughs that take up just 3.13 square miles. I know none of this is in the UK, but PA was set up in colonial times.

A county could be made up of a few boroughs. It is larger than a borough.

Borough comes from Germanic "Burg" (meaning castle, city with walls). Many city names all across Europe have this attached: Hamburg (D), Salzburg (A), Luxemburg (L), Cherbourg (F)...

London is spilt into Boroughs and the Counties are split into districts. The principle is the same in both. As an example Oxfordshire has five districts or Boroughs. All have there own admis rations and budgets. They are funded through council tax, similar to your state tax.

@neuralwarp

Ай бұрын

The London Borough of Havering was formed by forcibly assimilating the 3 Urban District Councils of Romford, Hornchurch, and Upminster.

Borough = District or rather kinda Subdistrict if it’s the same as in Poland Dzielnica (District) and Osiedle (which I assume Borough).

It’s weird how each borough in central London and Greater London are similar and completely different from one another. You could be walking in one borough and feel a certain vibe while walking in another borough and feel a completely different vibe. Different vibes brought together by a diverse community of people. As a Londoner, born and bred here, I’ve seen many parts of London change drastically since the early 90s, under Tony Blair’s government with many traditional Londoners, like cockneys moving out of North, South, East and West London boroughs to county’s like East Sussex, Essex and Kent. And some moved further afield, up north or abroad for sunshine all year round in countries like Spain. London as we knew it, sadly no longer exists.

Burghs were the concept of Alfred the Great of Wessex. They were fortified towns to counter the Viking menace. The 6 States of the USA to have Boroughs are the original Colonial areas keeping to the British tradition...

its a smaller municipal area than a county for ex NYC has 5 Boroughs Brooklyn the Bronx Queens Manhattan and Staten Island while London has 32 including Marybone Islington Tower Hamlets Hackney etc.

@gregweatherup9596

Ай бұрын

In general yes, however NYC’s Boroughs are an exception since those boroughs are coextensive with counties, so those are bad examples.

Jay Foreman did it better. He did a two parter about what the London boroughs were and why there were so many

I think burroghs fan be compared to US townships.

London,,,,,,don’t forget,,,,,covers an area twice the size of New York, ,,,,and the administration within each borough is different.

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We British call 'boroughs' " _burruhs_ "... _NOT_ "burrows" - which are the tunnels inside rabbit warrens. So... Stop calling them burrows f🦆's sake!!! *PLEASE* 🙂❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🇬🇧❤️🖖

Not 'Is Wear London' but 'I Swear London'.

Borough is pronounced BURRA. Burrows are places where rabbits live !

It's pronounced Burrah in UK English!

Counties are the equivalent of us states, boroughs are the equivalent of us counties.

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The City of Montreal has boroughs.

pronounce it "burruh"

borough and county are not the same

L London has 32 boroughs

It's not burrow and it's not londin. Plus it's English words. There are no "British" words.

In Paris, boroughs have numbers

Jay Foreman's videos are preferably better,and more humourous?

This doesn’t have anything to do with the boroughs. But I looked it up for you (and for myself 😂). Greater London is a bit bigger than Nashville, TN. It is even closer to Oklahoma City, OK, looking at surface area. Don’t know if it helps by comparing the surface areas of these cities. But hope this helps with imagining the size of Greater London. I am from the Netherlands Greater London is about 607 sq mi. The biggest city in the Netherlands is only approximately 84,5 sq mi 😂 I couldn’t bring myself to research any further (I am very tired). But from what read what other people wrote on the internet. The Netherlands is in between West Virginia and Maryland, looking at surface area. So compared to the huge size of the US, I live in a very small country. From the very top to the very bottom is about a 3,5 hours drive. That’s it!

You are watching a video and then have a question but instead of just continuing the video and seeing if the guy explains it further (which i think in this case was to be expected) you go ahead and google stuff? What are you doing bro. It happens all the time. Can you maybe fill in the gaps AFTER you are unsatisfied with what the video provided and not before you even know what will be explained?

Interesting but the guy was not very articulate.....

@Jeni10

Ай бұрын

Just adapt your mind to his accent.

@trailerman2

Ай бұрын

@@Jeni10 I don't need to....I'm English ;-)

@Jeni10

Ай бұрын

@@trailerman2 😂🇦🇺

@trailerman2

Ай бұрын

@@Jeni10 🤣

@bobscratchett5346

26 күн бұрын

Agree. He’s very repetitive but not really that clear- and I’m a Londonerborn and bred 😂😂

99,99999999999999999999999% of the words you use are "British words," or rather, English words. Let's play a game of spot the connection, English (as in the language) and England. Lo vede, signor Wuzer?

THE CITY OF LONDON IS ONE SQUARE MILE , it’s the political ,Trade ,Banks also called CITY OF WESTMINSTER n, outside this mile is called GREATER LONDON , confusing I know and has years and years of history associated with it 🤷‍♀️

@williamdom3814

Ай бұрын

The City of London and the City of Westminster are NOT the same entity, they are two separate areas within Greater London.

Your London Accent need some work

This bloke and his 4 "Tyler" brothers are just a joke - and not a particularly funny one. Can't believe so many are taken in by them. Are you reading this, "Ryan"? No... didn't think so. Total lack of interaction from both of them.

I have a video to recommend to Ryan to which he can react! Does anyone know the best way to let @ryan Wuzer know ?

@ianwalker5842

Ай бұрын

He has a link to a video request form in the video description above.

Boroughs are/were in small counties with no cities either. Like the boroughs of Corby and Kettering in Northamptonshire, next to Welling-borough.